Surprise: Msoft Not Keen On Porting Xbox One Exclusives

By Nathan Grayson on May 23rd, 2013 at 6:00 pm.

Hey everyone, did you hear? There’s a new Xbox! It’s a prequel set 359 years before the current one, starring hip new actors, gratuitous explosions, and a patchwork quilt of nostalgia held together by your frayed heartstrings. Also, a man with “beautiful arms”. Wait, no, that’s the new Star Trek. For some reason, though, Microsoft’s calling its new machine the Xbox One, and with shiny hardware comes fresh hope. Maybe this time, PC and console will finally bound through a field of competitors together, hand-in-hand. Mayb- nope. Sounds like Microsoft is hoping to keep the two even more separated than ever, based on some comments from Redmond Game Studios general manager Matt Booty.

The Xbox One is set to get 15 exclusives over the course of its first year. But what of PC versions? Last time I checked, Xbox and Windows were playing for the same team, so why not? Here’s what Booty told Shacknews:

“The Windows 8 gamer is certainly going to participate in some of that content… We have got everything from very, very casual games, like our very much improved and reimagined Solitaire, all the way to graphically complicated games like The Harvest.”

The Harvest was originally a cell phone game.

Shacknews immediately pointed that out, but Booty’s follow-up didn’t inspire much confidence.

“We’re talking about console games, but there could be some franchises that also end up with a PC game. When I think about more connected experiences across those platforms, it’s things that show up within that family of devices where we’ve got Xbox Live, like Windows Phone and Windows 8… not what you might consider a more traditional desktop PC game.”

So basically, more stuff like The Harvest, or other smaller mobile/XBLA games that scale up. PC versions of bigger titles “could” happen, but that sounds like it’ll be the exception – not the rule. And that certainly stings, but it’s not terribly different from Microsoft’s approach to PC during Xbox 360′s lengthy reign. Second verse, same as the first, only they’ve given the song a new name. It’s a shame (especially now that Microsoft’s seemingly decided we’re some negligible offshoot of mobile), but we’ve been a-okay without them for years. Better than ever, actually. So yeah, oh well. Life goes on.

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  1. shrewdlogarithm says:

    TV and SPORTS

  2. Nim says:

    Microsoft executives has not been able to make a lot of sound decisions lately as they have all been suffering from constipation as a result of displacing their craniums inside their rectums.

  3. HadToLogin says:

    Why nobody writes long texts about Sony COMPUTER Entertainment not porting anything for COMPUTERS? MS long time ago said “f-ck you PC Gamers, we don’t care about you”, so why do you bother?

    • Zyrocz says:

      Because Windows.

    • pack.wolf says:

      Because we must never forget, lest history repeats itself!
      Wait… oh… I guess that didn’t work then. Oh well.

    • Trithne says:

      Because a Playstation is still a computer, just not a x86 IBM-offspring one. The term ‘Computer’ is very wide-ranging and Sony Computer Entertainment is in no way a misnomer.

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        FriendlyFire says:

        Except the PS4 and Xbone are now both x86-64 computers with very PC-like architectures. Sure, there are still a few differences (added eSRAM for Xbone, all GDDR5 memory for PS4), but the base is very similar to modern PCs, which implies that porting a game is nowhere near as involved as before. It’s still a big jump, don’t get me wrong, but we’re not talking about moving from the PS3′s crazy odd architecture to PC anymore.

        Obviously, the reason MS is being pressured more is that they also own Windows. Worse, the Xbone will be running parts of the Windows kernel, which makes it even closer to Windows than ever before.

        • Brun says:

          The bigger snag may involve how heavily the games might lean on that DDR5. If the games rely on having memory that fast then porting them back to PCs that are still predominantly DDR3 with smaller amounts of GDDR5 on the GPUs may be difficult.

          • xGhost4000x says:

            First lets be clear here, they’re using GDDR5, not DDR5. Second Hardware manufacturers have already announced DDR4(which is better than the consoles and PCs current standard DDR3) , AND GDDR6, which is also better than both PC and Console current standards.

            In other words within the next 12 months consoles will be running DDR3 and GDDR5 while my PC will have moved on to DDR4 and GDDR6.

          • Lazyjim says:

            Can people stop spouting this rubbish?
            GDDR5 is not substantially faster than DDR3 despite the higher number at the end.
            GDDR5 is a specialized version of DDR3 optimized for graphics applications, It generally has higher bandwidth than the standard DDR3, but higher latency as well.

            Modern gaming PCs have 8GB + of DDR3 and around 2GB of GDDR5. They have more, it is also not a useful quantifier of how good the system is.

          • Radwulf says:

            The problem would likely be whether the games start using the unified 8gb gddr5 primarily for graphics or traditional memory functions. I have 8gb of ddr3 and 1gb of gddr5 and I can’t use the best Skyrim mods due to vram limits. If future PS4 games focus heavily on vram functionality then vram on mid range pc cards will have to start increasing dramatically to maintain parity. If they don’t focus heavily on vram the difference will be negligible from now.

          • MasterDex says:

            The posters above me are spot on in what they say but you’re near the mark in that the amount of GDDR5 in the new consoles might make the porting of some games difficult, if not infeasible.

            The snag is that the current standard for GDDR5 on the PC is still 1-2gb and although there are 3-4gb cards out there, they’re out of many people’s price range and there’s much less choice. If developers use that 8gb of GDDR5 in ways that can’t be translated – or can’t be translated in a cost efficient manner – to system memory, then PC gamers will be shit out of luck.

            The way I see it, that’s only going to be an issue early on with the more ambitious offerings that would probably remain exclusive anyway. I think most publishers and developers will prefer to hit the middle ground that allows them to access as many markets as possible while still putting forward the impression to the market at large that they’re innovating with shiny new graphics, etc.

          • 1Life0Continues says:

            “Modern gaming PCs have 8GB + of DDR3 and around 2GB of GDDR5.”

            Just seeing that made my 3GB DDR2 and 1GB GDDR5 PC cry.

          • Grey Poupon says:

            More VRAM generally means higher resolution textures. Or more different textures on the screen at the same time. If you don’t have enough VRAM, you can usually use lower resolution textures or less post processing like AA.

            The generic memory allocations won’t magically change into a heavy bandwidth high latency preferring things. Apart from texture streaming and such things, DDR3 is faster than GDDR5 thanks to the much lower latency. There’s quite a few latency vs bandwidth tests on the internets and minimizing latency is almost always the better choice. Only things like unzipping huge files enjoys a high bandwidth.

            If using GDDR5 as a system memoroy was smart, PC’s would do it too. I’m guessing Sony’s idea was in the scalability of it all. And simplifying the architecture. Less memory connections means simpler chips which means cheaper manufacturing. It’s still going to be slower in general computing (and gaming to an extent) than it would with DDR3 as system ram.

          • Apocalypse says:

            @1Life0Continues
            You have to face the truth, my mac and your pc are not modern anymore. He still is kinda right, 2GB GDRR5 and 8GB DDR3 should be standard for modern gaming pc.

            @Grey Poupon
            Using GDRR5 as system memory seems with the arise of APUs smart, the higher latency seems do be not as problematic when the GPU resides in your CPU. AMD already announced that they will use this for their next APU releases. So yes, it will be on PC soon, could be even this year.

          • Grey Poupon says:

            I wasn’t trying to imply it’s problematic. As I said, it’s a simpler design when you don’t need 2 memory controllers in one chip so it’s a lot cheaper to manufacture. It just won’t be quite as good with the existing memory chips. APUs aren’t exactly the pinnacle of performance nor are they trying to be. They’re all about bringing down the cost and size of the system.

          • Manac0r says:

            2gb VRAM!?!

            *Kicks Tri-Sli 580′s with measly 1.5gb….*

            “Hello, Visa, long time no speak! I have need of your services once again…”

          • warthog2k says:

            I would imagine that the interim ‘fix’ is to chuck more RAM onto the Graphics Card. Longer term, I would bet we’ll see a move toward much more embedded RAM (like the Xbone) on more advanced Fusion-like CPU/GPU combos.

        • Apocalypse says:

          The GDDR5 as ram thing is not a PS4-only thing, AMD already anounced this as part of upcoming fusion APUs. PC gamers could potentially still use this feature before the PS4 is even released.

          Though I doubt that many will, because of AMD is always short of units to ship into retail.

    • UncleLou says:

      No, MS didn’t say “fuck you”. They act like it, but they keep *saying* that they care, so they can sell us their latest OS. And that’s one of the big differences.

    • blackmyron says:

      Because Sony doesn’t make computer operating systems and then try to do everything in its power to stop people from playing video games on the OS they’ve made because they want you to buy their console.
      Because Sony doesn’t have a pathetic, thrown together lazy wannabe Steam “equivalent” that doesn’t even try to hide that it’s just “XBox Live” with a sticker over it.
      But ultimately, I don’t get near the feeling of utter contempt and revulsion that Microsoft projects towards PC gamers.

      • Arglebargle says:

        Sony executives must be wandering from office to office at HQ, asking one another, “Did you use the Orbital Mind Control Lasers on the Microsoft brass?” “No, did you?”

        PS4 is the clear winner, to the point where I might…almost…consider one. Maybe. Xbox can go fish.

    • Delusibeta says:

      Because Sony makes PC games, with their Online Entertainment arm. Sure it’ll be nice of them to port their console games (and some of the Pub Fund games such as Dyad and Papa & Yo did make it over to Steam), but they already produce more PC games than Microsoft, who, y’know, wrote Windows.

    • Shodex says:

      Sony has no reason to port their exclusives to Microsoft Windows. The Microsoft Xbox however, does. And yet Microsoft tries it’s hardest to kill the PC gaming market instead of fueling it.

      That said, Sony has made more of a positive impact on the PC gaming market than Microsoft ever has. EverQuest and Planetside were two games that made huge changes to MMOs and their effects are still being seen today.

  4. dE says:

    They’ve got this very odd idea that PC users want their PC to be more like Smartphones. But they’ve also got this feeling that the X-Box US-ONE needs to be more like Televisions with built in supervisor too. So in the end, they’ve no bloody idea who their market is and will power it through on market share alone.

    • jellydonut says:

      People do buy their garbage so clearly there’s a market somewhere.

      • Jahkaivah says:

        It’s called the “don’t know any better or have much of a choice” audience.

    • ecat says:

      The PC is still a mostly open platform. Microsoft has the idea that they can make a LOT more money by moving people to closed platforms and just now they are doing everything they can to convince people that these closed platforms are the only viable choice.

      Expect to see a lot more “Windows 8 is a mobile platform” and “XBone-US is your exclusive new best friend”.

      • Shodex says:

        I thought the dog was my new best friend.
        I guess he wouldn’t mind his own Xbone though.

    • belgand says:

      That’s exactly the problem. They aren’t viewing Windows 8 as a desktop OS. As far as they’re concerned the desktop is some sort of obsolete dinosaur still wheezing around occasionally in the back. This is why Windows 8 was positioned so heavily as a tablet OS with some functionality to be a bit like a laptop. As a result those are the sorts of games they’re going to be pushing out to it. If you want to play proper games, their reasoning seems to go, you’ll use an XBox.

      Considering that their gaming studios are entirely committed to console development and that Steam controls the PC gaming market with no chance for them to edge their way in it makes a certain terrible sense. They’re just hoping that we’ll somehow go away because proper PC gaming isn’t hip and trendy and courting it won’t let them chase the casual markets they’re interested in.

      • Hmm-Hmm. says:

        Viewing? I don’t know, I have the impression that Microsoft is simply following the latest fad (that being mobile gaming) combined with protecting their platform of choice (that being the X-Box).

      • jm_civik says:

        It makes you wonder why steam now has a linux version. Perhaps big brother MS is planning to end desktop support in the near future.

        • Shodex says:

          Gabe Newell was reportedly very livid in his criticisms of Windows 8 during some developers conference, but I can’t find the exact quotes anywhere. So I can only assume he killed somebody in rage and is threatening the reporters to keep quiet.

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    darkChozo says:

    Xbox One exclusives exclusive to the Xbox One. More on this topic at 11.

    Up next: do console manufacturers secure exclusive titles for their machines in order to drive hardware sales? The salacious secret that they don’t want you to know!

    • blackmyron says:

      Does it work, though? Has anyone that hadn’t hit their head actually thought of buying a console because they couldn’t play a game on a computer?

      • drinniol says:

        Yeah. I wanted to give Uncharted a go. Though I have had brain tumours, make of that what you will.

        • Shodex says:

          I’ll vouch for this, Uncharted is one of the reasons I don’t resent owning a PS3. Along with inFAMOUS and Demon’s Souls (which was better than Dark Souls imho).
          PS3 has some great exclusives
          But unless you really like TV, TV, TV, TV, Sports, Sports, Cawladoody, and Dogs I see no reason to buy the new Xbox.

      • P.Funk says:

        NHL is about the only one I would want. There are so many reasons why I would resist getting the new Xbox though. So many.

  6. Iskariot says:

    Well I really do not care. Perhaps I might have bought certain games if they would have been released on PC. I might even truly regret not being able to play them, but if Microsoft does not want me to buy them, well…. then I won’t! Nothing I can do about that. If they do not want my money, then they won’t get it.
    -
    And if I ever decide to buy a console it certainly will never ever be an xbox anyway. Not even when hell freezes over and the gods walk the earth again and not even when Muhammad, Buddha and Jesus personally tell me I should buy an x-box. My only silent comment will be my raised middle finger.

    • Vorphalack says:

      Can’t honestly say this bothers me much either. It’s a dick move by MS, again, but it’s about accurate to sum up their stance with ”Hey you, gamer, we don’t want your money.” What are we supposed to do other than say ”Alright” and go back to what we were doing?

  7. Brun says:

    This really isn’t news – unless I’m misunderstanding something he’s talking only about first-party games and third party titles that are worked out ahead of time to be XB1 exclusives. Similar games for the 360, original Xbox, PS3, PS2, and pretty much every console back to the dawn of time have been treated the same way.

    He isn’t saying that we won’t be getting things like Assassin’s Creed or other multiplatform games, since those aren’t XB1-exclusive. This just means we’ll miss out on the latest Halo title like we have since Halo 2.

  8. Leosiegfried says:

    I guess its this generation of consoles i’ll use to clear all my backlog of games on all the stuff i actually own and more PC / Indie games

  9. onsamyj says:

    Thank you, Captain Obvious!

    • Brun says:

      A few more astute observations like that and he’ll be a slam dunk for promotion to Rear Admiral Obvious!

  10. mouton says:

    “Windows 8″ gamer – aaand we are done right there.

    Frankly, it’s a wonder Microsoft does not try to kill PC gaming more aggressively. They sure seem to prefer that.

    • DickSocrates says:

      They are in a strange position of their own making. The only reason Windows sells as much as it does is because of PC gaming. If it wasn’t for games, I’d have ditched Windows 6 years ago.

      • Spakkenkhrist says:

        I wish that was true but I think sales to businesses far outstrip sales to gamers.

        • Rumpel says:

          but for how long? windows has been bleeding sales for years now. every quarter its another 10% drop, with the hilarious 14% drop after windows 8 release.
          the online tether microsoft has left is directx. without it, in a few years most home desktops would run linux, and that would open the door to more linux in offices, since people would be much more familiar with it.

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            darkChozo says:

            While I don’t have any real numbers to back this up, Windows is almost certainly primarily losing sales to mobile/tablets, not Linux. *insert something about the year of the Linux desktop here*

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            darkChozo says:

            Um, yeah? Quoth the article:

            Meawhile the traditional PC business is merging rapidly with that of tablets and smartphones – in which Microsoft is barely visible. IDC said that while PC sales were plunging, tablet sales in the first quarter of 2013 hit 49.2m, overtaking desktop-based PCs. Smartphones passed that mark long ago, having outsold PCs since the end of 2010, and in developing countries they are becoming many peoples’ first computing device. But Microsoft’s Windows Phone has less than 5% share worldwide, compared with 70% for Google’s Android and 20% for Apple’s iPhone. Microsoft only has about 1% of the tablet market, according to IDC.

          • lijenstina says:

            Actually windows is loosing sales to Linux everywhere apart from desktop PC. Mobile, tablet and server. Linux has it’s fair share of problems on desktop, that is true.

        • LostInDaJungle says:

          Yes, but those gamers go on to be IT people who then recommend Microsoft because that’s what they know. And companies have an easier time hiring Windows admins because they learn their computers from gaming.

          • Rumpel says:

            thats what i am saying. if those gamers would instead be using linux, they’d recommend linux

      • engion3 says:

        haha, must be nice to be 11.

    • B4rberblacksheep says:

      Windows 8 is only better for gaming in that it does run more efficently. Otherwise it is the biggest dump anyone has taken on gaming…

  11. soapgoat says:

    oh wow, microsoft will not focus priorities on porting xbox one exclusives over to pc….

    shame on them, i guess

    though, why is nobody upset that sony or nintendo never ever port their exclusives over to pc? is this exclusively a microsoft problem?!

    • Rinu says:

      “though, why is nobody upset that sony or nintendo never ever port their exclusives over to pc? is this exclusively a microsoft problem?”
      Exactly.

      Big surprise – Microsoft and Sony need exclusives to sell their consoles; otherwise who would buy these superior machines, right? :D Seriously, it’s tiring to see how much crap MS gets for something people seem to adore about Sony.

      On the topic, I was upset to hear that Remedy signed exclusive contract again. Guess what? I buy their every game (on PC) but I’m not going to buy another gaming machine because of them. A sad part is that these contracts and a lack of console compatibility support doom good titles to be only a thing people talk about and not playing it because the device will be out of “print” and not everyone desires to buy 5 years old junk to play possibly good game.

    • woodsey says:

      Neither Sony nor Nintendo have such an apparent connection to the PC.

      They also don’t wheel out a “look how much we’re focusing on the PC!” statement once a year before doing nothing whatsoever with it.

    • AzzerUK says:

      Nintendo and Sony don’t make an operating system for PC’s. Microsoft do.

      • Rinu says:

        But at least Sony has Vita and I don’t recall seeing their Vita’s games offered for PS3.

        As for MS saying how they care for PC gaming. They never commit to something; it was usually just your usual PR BS nobody takes seriously.

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          darkChozo says:

          Isn’t the higher-than-usual cross-compatibility between the Vita and the PS3 one of the selling points of the device?

          • Rinu says:

            I’m not sure what you imagine under the term “higher-than-usual” but almost every game I clicked on in this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games is only on Vita. And for example, my attention caught only two titles – AC3:Liberation and Uncharted Golden Abyss (this series is directly under Sony’s wings). Both Vita exclusives and they were marketed hard like that.

            Look, they are private companies and they can do anything they want unless they break the law in the process. It’d be just refreshing to see less biased discussions. This whole MS/Sony feels exactly like Origin/Steam comparison. Both are very similar services yet one is evil and other is perfect according to Internet.

          • Panda Powered says:

            You will be able to stream PS4 games to the Vita.
            Edit: There seems to be some cross-platform multiplayer between Wipeout 2048 on Vita and Wipeout HD on PS3.

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            darkChozo says:

            I’m talking about this, I think. I don’t own a Vita or a PS3, so who knows.

            EDIT: And for the record, at the moment I’m slightly pro-PS4, but am unlikely to buy either and think that the internet rage over the One is overblown (aside from the stupid name). And this story is basically a non-issue, or at least not a departure from the status quo.

      • soapgoat says:

        what about the 3ds and the wiiu? why are there so many wiiu only games, and so many 3ds only games? same could be said about the vita and ps3…. as well as the ps2 and psp…. or the snes and the gameboy…. etc etc…. logic dictates that none of this should be ok if ms not releasing games on pc isnt ok…

        microsoft makes windows and microsoft office and all sorts of other products. why are these products not on xbox one? why can i not edit PowerPoints on xbox one? i should be mad at them for making office exclusive to pcs!!!!!

  12. Astartes says:

    Mr Grayson, as this site has always adhered to the culture and ideals of the British society; I find your use of the term “cell” over “mobile” to be inappropriate and offensive. I, as a member of her Majesty’s royal kingdom, demand an apology.

    And Msoft can keep their rubbish exclusives. Never cared for Gears of Halo: Kinect Adventure 3.

  13. Koozer says:

    “…like our very much improved and reimagined Solitaire…”

    Wait, really? Suddenly the chess 2.0 article doesn’t seem so silly.

    • Panda Powered says:

      Maybe he should have said Pinball FX2 instead (BTW MS, while you are at it, where is SkiFree 2? Kinect 2 Exclusive?).

    • Skabooga says:

      In the new version they’ve added PvP and co-op to the game modes.

      • Panda Powered says:

        Don’t forget pay2win schemes.

        Edit: I had to try it and Holy crap they added achievements, daily challenges and leaderboards.
        And now my xbox live profile says I’m playing solitaire. The shame. Now I have to try out the next gen minesweeper too…

      • SominiTheCommenter says:

        Bahhh. Hearts on Microsoft Games is older than that.

    • blackmyron says:

      I thought that was just a joke for a moment. I still can’t wrap my head around how disconnected an executive has to be from reality to even utter a statement like that.

  14. HisMastersVoice says:

    What was the last xbawks exclusive that was any good? Halo? GoW? I survived without those, I’ll survive without whatever MS buys this time.

    • ResonanceCascade says:

      Both of those games came to the PC, funnily enough.

      • Psihomodo says:

        And both were underwhelming, almost crap for their time, especially now.

        • ResonanceCascade says:

          And both have the most amazingly tedious ability to get PC gamers to remind us all how rubbish they are any time they get mentioned, even when it has no relevance to anything. A trait shared only by the latter TES games.

  15. honky mcgee says:

    Look, if Microsoft doesn’t view Windows OS as a games platform worth supporting, than I just lost the only reason I pay $100 every other year to upgrade my OS. Open source here I come!

  16. Slinkyboy says:

    Not buying an Xbox One.

  17. scatterlogical says:

    Y’know, I had high hopes that the next gen of consoles would finally free PC games from the technical constraints imposed by 7-year-old hardware, and the abuse we’ve suffered at the hands of bad PC ports. It was even more promising when Sony announced how much of a PC the PS4 actually is, and how easy it would be to develop for it as a result.

    But no, M$ want to go screw that pooch and leave it dead in the gutter. They want ALL the money and don’t want to share.

    On one hand they’re over-reaching and over-specializing (although they seem to believe they’re doing the exact opposite), just like Nintendo did with the Wii (and the games on Wii that weren’t gimmicks just didn’t bother supporting WiiMotion anyway), and alienating developers with a control scheme that’s more gimmick than real advancement (“XBOX: on.” “XBOX:play movie.” “XBOX:invade my privacy and listen to me while I have sex in my living room.” “Dave, I’m frightened. Daaaaaaave”). Really, what’s wrong with a frakkin remote control to play my movies?

    Clearly MS are more concerned about their corporate buzzwords and obfuscation than giving gamers a good bit of kit – I actually wonder if anyone outside of their hardware labs has any clue as to what is contained inside that 3DO wannabe black box?

    So on the other hand, they’re fucking nuts if they think that many developers are going to solely support their console – even if they do manage a dominant market share again (was their share even dominant with the 360? iunno), their share won’t be THAT much that devs won’t want to port their games to other systems, because that’s a decent extra chunk of change. And if their hardware is too different from PC & PS4, that’s just going to increase development time for the XBone (haha, like that one?) and even decrease the chances of devs bothering with the system (look at the Wii U).

    Finally, it all becomes clear now exactly what their motivation was for making such a pig’s ear out of game support for Windows 8, and their dropped support for XNA (which is really gonna hurt indie devs soon). They really don’t give a crap about anyone not developing exclusively for their new show pony, and are clearly determined to make lives difficult for those who aren’t on board.

    This isn’t a ‘hate Microsoft’ rant just for the sake of hating them, MS have done plenty of good stuff, but I honestly feel they’re fucking over either the industry or themselves with this shit. While everyone else is moving towards being more open, more flexible and more portable, they’ve gone hard in the other direction.

    • Widthwood says:

      I think you missed the point a bit.
      Microsoft’s OWN studio won’t release any big games for PC, that’s all. And since they haven’t done proper PC games in ages… So we won’t get Fable 5 from zombie Lionhead, who cares?

      As for the rest, it doesn’t make sense for publishers to make exclusives for new game consoles until they reach some critical mass. Also there is uncertainty about how popular they are going to be, especially with pretty much everyone predicting near end for standalone gaming consoles. And with new consoles being closer to PC hardware-wise than ever before I think it’s safe to say that after first small wave of exclusives, pretty much all next gen projects will be multiplatform.

      • Brun says:

        It’s worth adding that no game console has ever reached that critical mass. There have always been multiplatform titles. The only “platform” that came close to commanding that kind of exclusivity was the iPhone, back when it was the only game in town (before Android got popular).

        Exclusives will always be the result of either A) someone paying to get that title as an exclusive for marketing purposes or B) there is some technical or ergonomic limitation of a particular platform that precludes the porting of a particular title to that platform (i.e. MMOs are almost always on PC).

        • Widthwood says:

          True, but from PC gamers point of view PS4+X1 exclusive is just as bad as X1 exclusive. And we will definitely start seeing more of the former during their mid-to-end-life, just as it was with PS3+360.

  18. honky mcgee says:

    I understand this guy wanting to protect his turf, but old man Ballmer needs to call him into his office and show him the pie chart depicting ‘xbox division’ vs. ‘windows division’ sales as a percentage of total revenue.

    • Trithne says:

      I’m pretty sure that pie chart would vindicate him, actually. Microsoft can’t exactly count a sale of Windows to a consumer as a ‘Windows Gaming’ sale, and they don’t see anything from the sale of games running on Windows platforms except for the rare few titles they have ownership of.

      On the other hand, XBox Live still has that subscription. And a slice from sales on XBLA. And other Marketplace features. And licensing deals with netflix etc.

      If it’s about money (and it is), the XBox wins hands down.

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        All is Well says:

        Yeah, I was thinking about this too, and from a business point of view, it does make sense for Microsoft to put their eggs in the Xbox basket.

        I mean, if the profits to MS from every Xbox unit sold exceed the profits from every Windows PC sold, which they probably do, then it doesn’t seem very rational for Windows to support the less-profitable gaming platform that cannibalizes consumers from their more profitable one. Especially since people will still buy Windows for other things.

        EDIT: Not that I like it or anything, though.

        • ecat says:

          “I mean, if the profits to MS from every Xbox unit sold exceed the profits from every Windows PC sold, which they probably do”

          No.

          Total sales of Xbox360 to April of this year are about 77 million, let’s say the initial 1/3 of that total were sold in the early years and were therefore sold at less than the cost of manufacture. After that fairly reliable figure we get into vague numbers: the license fee for every game sold, about $10? Subscription fees and other deals .

          The first quarter of this year was bad for PC sales yet the number shipped was still in excess of 70 million. Using just this ‘bad quarters’ figures, during the 8 year life of the XBox360, PC + Windows has shipped 8 x 4 x 70,000,000 = 2.24 billion units. Now add in MS Office, MSSQL, development tools etc.

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            All is Well says:

            I think I might have phrased that a bit wrong, because you seem to be misunderstanding me.
            What I meant was that I believe the profit per unit would be higher for an Xbox than for a PC used solely for gaming, in terms of profit to MS.

            To clarify: once an Xbox is sold, MS generates additional income by license fees, subscription fees, additional, exclusive hardware, etc. Almost all gaming-related expenses an Xbox gamer has are at least in part funneled to MS. Unless I’ve totally misunderstood the concept, of course.

            When a gaming PC is sold, MS sees income from selling the OS, either directly or via OEM. Used as a gaming system, the PC doesn’t generate the same profit for MS, however, since they can’t very well demand license fees from everyone who wants to sell a program for Windows (although they most certainly want to!). If you so choose, you can probably use a Windows PC for gaming and never pay MS anything, except for the OS itself.

            Because of this it makes sense for MS to try and make those who want to play games buy Xboxes, and those who want to do other things buy Windows PC:s.

            That is what I meant. I did not mean that the profits from all Xboxes ever sold > all profits from every PC ever sold.

      • Psihomodo says:

        Only and only when you somehow manage to compare Xbox sales to client Windows sales, and I highly doubt that OS that is in 90% of the whole world is somehow smaller that one console sales.

        It is extremely funny how you people, or kids, seem to think the world works. I see almost none connection to reality and what else Windows platform is into. Sad and pitiful. Go buy your idiotbox and brag to you equally idiot neighbors.

        • Trithne says:

          “In 90% of the world”
          And the majority of that install base is *Enterprise* customers. Where gaming sales (Which again, have nothing to do with Windows) don’t enter into it.
          I base my assumptions on how the world works from being a software developer and logic, rather than assuming that people that don’t think like I do are kids, and therefore I am older and wiser (Since the world -really- doesn’t work that way)

  19. Bostec says:

    Not bothered, infact i’m glad, they can keep em’. Microsoft have been going down the pan on the PC for a couple of years now. GFWL bollocks, Age of Empires, Microsoft Flight, WIndows 8, the many failed MMOs. I have a feeling windows 7 will be my last Microsoft product.

  20. MobileAssaultDuck says:

    The only game that didn’t come to PC last gen that I wanted was Red Dead Redemption.

    I don’t see this gen being much different. Sure, I would have loved RDR on my PC, but missing 1 decent game in an 8 year long generation means I highly doubt their lack of ports in this generation will concern me.

  21. o1striker says:

    Well looks like sony’s gonna win the next gen.

    In my opinion this is whats it’s gonna be like
    PC(come on nothing can be as good)>PS4>3DS>Vita>WII U>>>>OUYA>Tablets>Smartphones=XBOX ONE.

    • Brun says:

      Are you crazy? Microsoft is going to kick the shit out of the PS4 with this machine – not for the gaming experience, but for all of the living-room entertainment functionality. I understand their capabilities are similar but Microsoft did a *much* better job of presenting them and will also do a better job advertising them.

      The design and features of the XB1 were a very, very smart decision by Microsoft. People will look at the PS4 and the XB1 and the value proposition is *heavily* weighted in the XB1′s favor since it can literally do everything (play games, Blu-Rays, access the internet, watch live TV, watch Netflix). Because of that functionality they’ve now gained access to a market for whom playing video games is of secondary importance. That group will compare the XB1′s laundry list of desirable non-gaming features to the PS4′s “basically a gaming console with some goofy social stuff bolted on”, and the decision is really a no-brainer unless the PS4 is significantly cheaper.

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        darkChozo says:

        It’s way, way too early to say for sure. Besides, other than the live TV thing, the PS4 is in all likelihood going to do all but one of those things (games, Blu-Rays, internet, Netflix), considering that the PS3 could do the same. And I don’t think that the TV features are too big a selling point; Smart TVs basically offer the same featureset, and they haven’t exactly revolutionized the TV market, at least in the US.

        • Brun says:

          It doesn’t matter if the PS4 is functionally similar, Microsoft’s presentation on Tuesday (and how different it felt from the PS4′s) tells me they know how to market those features way better than Sony does. That’s key to capturing the non-gaming market for a device like this.

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            darkChozo says:

            I don’t think it’s at all sensible to extrapolate either company’s entire marketing strategy from just one press conference. Besides, there’s evidence to suggest that Sony hasn’t put all of its cards on the table yet (the most obvious bit being that they haven’t even revealed the hardware yet).

            That being said, Sony has… misstepped with their marketing in the past. It’s not inconceivable that they’ll do so again, but then again, it takes more than just marketing to sell consoles.

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        Vandelay says:

        Sitting in my room, I currently have 5 ways to watch Netflix. My computer, my TV, my WiiU, my phone and my iPad. Add a few more ways for my whole house. Why would I need an Xbox One to do that too?

        I am thinking that Microsoft have made a massive mistake, as the winner of this console generation is likely to be the one that actually offers great games. There are just to many other “smart” devices that offer the functionality they have hyped and I don’t see why anyone would consider them a major reason to buy a console instead of the alternatives.

  22. waaaaaaaals says:

    Holy crap! A next gen Solitaire! This is the moment we’ve all been waiting for!

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      DrScuttles says:

      Fucking YES. Pardon my language, but seriously. What an announcement, eh? New Solitaire, probably with an emotional dog.

  23. ScubaMonster says:

    Windows 8 ports, eh? Guess they gotta get people to buy Win 8 somehow.

  24. ResonanceCascade says:

    So Valve betting on Linux…is that appearing slightly less stupid these days, or am I crazy? It’s looking more and more like Microsoft is actively trying to drive “core” gaming away from Windows. That is bad news.

    • bwion says:

      Microsoft has been, shall we say, unenthusiastic about PC gaming for a long time now. This is nothing new.

      Fortunately, they have fairly little say in the matter, then or now.

      • ResonanceCascade says:

        I don’t mean they’re “unenthusiastic” about PC gaming, which obviously they’ve been since the 360 launched, if not the original Xbox. I mean they’re almost being openly hostile to it.

        Also, little say? The largest PC gaming platform by an order of magnitude (if not two) has little say in the future of PC gaming? I’ll have to disagree with you there. If MS continues to make Windows a poorer and poorer platform for games, that is a very big problem for a lot of reasons. Maybe they won’t do that, but it’s starting to look like they might.

      • blackmyron says:

        But they are only incidentally a “gaming platform”. It might be better to say that Microsoft hasn’t been able to disentangle general Windows functionality from the ability to play games – if they could figure out how to keep games off Windows, they’d do it.

  25. bwion says:

    Of course they’re not going to say “oh, our exclusive stuff will eventually be ported to another platform”. That defeats the (dubious) purpose of exclusivity in the first place. Eventually they, or more likely, the developers who bought into this latest deal, will remember that they like money and we’ll see PC versions.

    And of course they’re going to talk up phone games for their shiny new ItsNotMetroShutUpDoYouWantUsToGetSued interface, in the vain hope that someone, somewhere, will actually use said interface on purpose, as opposed to “legacy desktop for old people” games.

    Never believe marketing speak. Never ever.

    • Widthwood says:

      Since they are talking about Microsoft’s internal or bought developers – their exclusives won’t come to PC. Just as Sony’s own games will never get ported. And Remedy is not in a position to negotiate any terms, so their game will probably stay exclusive for any foreseeable future too.

      In contrast to other publishers they aren’t after your money, the purpose of exclusives is to boost whole platform’s popularity, and it is highly doubtful they’ll be willing to sacrifice that to earn couple of additional mill $.

  26. Drake Sigar says:

    Doesn’t affect me really. In recent years I rarely buy AAA games, and when I do it often turns out to be disappointing. The medium projects and Indi stuff interests me far more.

  27. Wut The Melon says:

    Really, I still think for most console (especially MS, though) exclusives, we of the PC will get those sooner via emulators than via the original publishers. I suppose with the new consoles more like PC’s than ever, there may be an actual chance of that happening within these consoles’ lifetimes.

  28. PopeRatzo says:

    There is nothing that could make me want to buy an Xbox One.

  29. Liudeius says:

    15 exclusives:
    NFL 2014
    NBA 2014
    FIFA 2014
    NHL 2014
    NFL 2015
    NBA 2015
    FiFA 2015
    NHL 2015
    Forza 5
    Forza 6
    Halo One
    Halo One 2
    Halo Four
    Gears of War WWII
    Gears of War WWOne

    Traditionally I won’t really care that I’m missing out on Xbox exclusives.
    Even more so now that most of their exclusives will just be yearly sports games.

    Edit: Wow, I was just joking about all those sports titles, but I forgot, I’m actually right. Just replace NHL with UFC.

  30. LennyLeonardo says:

    Matt Booty!!?!

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    sonofsanta says:

    “Let’s make our new console x86 based, so developers find it easier to code for.”
    “That’s a damn fine idea there Jimmy. I like your style.”
    “That way we can recompile all our games with a few different flags and – for almost zero-effort – open up a whole other revenue stream to help counteract the ever-spiralling costs of game creation.”
    “ARE YOU MAD, JIMMY?! Get out of my office!”

    • po says:

      I bet Apple had a similar train of thought when they made their computers x86 based so they could save on development costs.

      And then came OSX86 and the Hackintosh.

  32. Panda Powered says:

    Mirrors Edge 2 for 360 just popped up on Amazon Germany so damn you to hell Microsoft if you announce it as an exclusive!

    • Sploitz says:

      Mirror’s Edge is owned by DICE/EA, not Microsoft. MS is saying the XBONE titles THEY produce will be exclusive, not every game made for the XBONE ever.

  33. SanguineAngel says:

    This just in: Microsoft makes massive chunks of their consumer base feel like shit. Again.

  34. Megakoresh says:

    I don’t really see this as any surprise. Knowing Microsoft it’s the most expected turn of events, since they can suck money out people who already bought games on console, but they can’t milk them on PC.

    In addition they aren’t stupid: they know Windows 8 is trash and it very well might fail commercially, so investment in producing games on it is not justified.

    Again, all Microsoft faults, but all are known. This turn of events is well- expected. It is in everyone’s best interests that PS4 wins the next console cycle. And the more of the market share it wins the better off both it and the PC will be. Don’t buy Xbox if you want a competitive market it what I am trying to say here.

  35. Urthman says:

    Looking back, I can’t think of a single Xbox 360 exclusive that I regret. Several PS3 exclusives I’d still love to get on PC, but all the 360 exclusives either came to PC eventually or weren’t something I cared about.

  36. Shooop says:

    Even Cracked is taking the Xbox apart for its dubious features.

    http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-features-new-xbox-that-are-about-to-ruin-everything/

    The only thing that could possibly save it would be if there’s still enough legions of die-hard Halo fans by the time it releases. It’s absolutely horrendous.

    • hitnrun says:

      A forlorn hope for MS, that. Halo and Gears have pretty much run their course. The games are still fairly big releases but no longer milestones, not even rising to the level of the annual Call of Honor: Battlefield or Madden (or FIFA for you funny-talkin farreners) releases. In fact, I’m pretty sure a major, proper Gears of War title just came out a couple months ago. Nobody knew or cared.

      Moreover, Microsoft doesn’t really have fanbois the way the Japanese companies do (or even the PC does, for that matter). Nobody’s going to evangelize for them and rationalize their ownership of platform that’s offering a disproportionately small amount of the Fun being had in Gaming for a few years while the cycle turns through a thin period. Halo fans were such creatures, but Halo is done as an epoch marker. Nobody’s going to buy a $500 console for the sequel to Halo 4.

      • Upper Class Twit says:

        Jeeze, why does everyone here dislike HALO so much? Its not that bad. Seriously. Playing it at a friend’s house is some of the most fun I’ve had in a co-op campaign, and they have really awesome starship names. You don’t need to refer to its fans as “creatures”. And I know at least one dude who would be perfectly fine with shelling out 500$ for the XBone and the inevitable HALO 4 sequel.

        Also, that was Gears of War:Judgement you were thinking about. It wasn’t quite a “major” title, more a side thing, and It didn’t get much buzz because Gears of War 3 was kind of supposed to be the big finale, so most fans saw it as a dumb cash-grab. It didn’t help that some studio other than Epic was behind it. So you’re probably right about Gears of War being done. HALO’s a different story though. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it.

        • SanguineAngel says:

          From my point of view Halo has only ever been a mediocre fps at best although never outright terrible. I also played the latest in co-op with a friend and had fun but on the whole the experience was lacklustre. Although I did enjoy the cutscenes.

          Ultimately, most console fps games have fallen flat for me because of the traditional limitations of the platform – such as small glorified corridor maps, dodgy control schemes and sub par graphics.

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      darkChozo says:

      Do you realize what you’ve done? You’ve brought the spectre of distro wars upon our land. Weep, for all is soon to crumble.

    • Apocalypse says:

      I am running both, that is my choice. Together with Vista, Seven and Windows 8

      edit: Oh and Mint.

    • fish99 says:

      Since neither of those will run my games I’ll stick with Win7 thanks. And frankly I had no interest in playing Halo 5 on PC anyway.

      This isn’t even a change of policy from MS. The last three Halo and the last three Gears games were kept off the PC, and there’s plenty of PS3 exclusives the PC didn’t get too.

      The thing to boycott here, if you feel the need to boycott something, is the xbox one itself, not windows. And if the only reason you’re doing that is that the One has exclusive games then you need to boycott the PS4 as well, plus you should have boycotted every console ever made.

      Honestly did the people in this thread only just notice that consoles have exclusive games?

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    strangeloup says:

    Well, given that the X360 was the biggest waste of time and money by a long chalk in my 15+ years of gaming, MS can go fuck themselves. If I’d spent the money on upgrading my PC and getting games for it, I’d have played all the good stuff for a damn sight less; I think the only thing that I’d significantly miss would be Rock Band.

    I’m not touching the Xbone or PS4 with a bargepole, and my interest in ever giving MS any money ever again is approximately zero, given the atrocious presentation of the Xbone and the crapocalypse that is Win8.

    The only consoles that I’d consider at all is the PS3 if it goes below £100, and I’ll keep an eye on the Wii U on the outside chance of a reversal of fortune. This gen, the Wii seemed to be the only one that concentrated on having things that are fun to play rather than extraneous multimedia guff and gimmicky nonsense. And its motion controls were actually decent.

  38. hitnrun says:

    That Microsoft modernist marketing shtick of naming the most recent iteration of whatever the fuck UI they’re hawking this year has sickened me ever since the early days of Windows XP and maybe even Windows 98.

    “Rock Paper Shotgun: Windows 8 Gaming Since 1893″

    Go to hell, Microsoft. Even in your PR fantasy world, you must acknowledge that Windows 8 will be totally irrelevant in 2 years, even under *your* best case scenario.

  39. fish99 says:

    We’re only talking about exclusives here, Microsoft can’t stop every other publisher bringing their games to PC, and it’ll be easier to port console games to PC than ever with them being x86 based.

    TBH there’s less exclusives than ever these days, and those exclusives are less relevant than ever. What will the new xbox have – Halo 5 and Gears 5. Who isn’t already completely and utterly bored of those series?

    Best thing about the Xbox One – I already bought one ten years ago.

  40. PC-GAMER-4LIFE says:

    MS are going nowhere they do not understand how important PC gaming is to Windows OS sales I do not see MS being around much beyond this decade right now their approach is shortsighted free open source software is erroding Office sales for business.

    If I were running MS I would do everything I could to ensure the PC can run their exclusive Xbox One games its another way to retain Windows OS sales as it stands MS are directionless & have been since Gates retired Ballmer inherited Windows 7, Xbox LIVE & 360 from Gates & has done nothing of note since then as he does not understand the way Gates did.

    The only major issue for PC with Xbox One exclusives is you need Kinect for them its embedded as a stealth DRM so unlikely to ever reach PC even if it did few would buy Kinect anyway so this means PC next gen games rest with Sony & AMD right now.

  41. Strangerator says:

    The Xbox ONE is a ponderous, smelly turd that console-land is pretty pissed off about, at least the “gaming audience.” Apparently there is this whole contingent of gamers out there who were just crying out for more ways to watch television on their gaming machine.

    As a whole, I think the XboxOne and potentially PS4 (if they too spit on gamers), will cause a welcome shift back towards PC gaming.

  42. Aborted Man says:

    Meanwhile, in PS4 land…Gaijin and Sony are announcing cross platform PC/PS4 gameplay for their up’n'coming WW2 MMO “sim”, War Thunder.

    The blows to MS just keep on coming.

  43. malkav11 says:

    On the bright side, if MS -did- bring their exclusives to PC they’d probably want to saddle them with all the consumer-hostile garbage they’re packing into the Xbox One.

  44. Shinryoma says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about those exclusives. Up to the launch of the 360, Microsoft boasted about their exclusives and first party support. Most of those promises dried up, first party studios closed and all they did after launch was get DLC time exclusives for GTA, CoD and Bethesda games.

  45. DestructibleEnvironments says:

    Windows 8, eh? I guess I won’t bee seeing any of their games then.

  46. noodlecake says:

    Why do they have to lie? Why can’t they just say “We want people to go out and buy our new product so we make a shit ton of money, and the most logical way to achieve that is to have completely exclusive titles for our product.”?

  47. paddymaxson says:

    Fuck ‘em.

    Their exclusives are always wank anyway

    Halo, GoW, Fable…anything else? I guess Forza is good if you like cars.