Beamdog Added 350,000 Words To Baldur’s Gate 2

By Jim Rossignol on May 28th, 2013 at 10:00 am.


It’s been a while since we heard anything from Beamdog‘s ‘Enhanced’ version of Baldur’s Gate 2, but their bossman Trent Oster just told ShackNews: “We’re hard at work on BG2:EE and it is going well… Phil (our design lead) mentioned to me there is over 350,000 words of new content.” These apparently constitute extra bits across the quests and story of Shadows of Amn and the expansion, Throne of Bhaal, which will ship with the new edition.

Whether all this work will match the experience of a modded version of the original game remains to be seen, of course. I understand that the reception for the enhancement of Baldur’s Gate was… mixed.

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  1. Forral says:

    I’ve re-read books that claim to have x amount of added words and, maybe it’s just me, I’ve never really noticed much of a difference. If those words are used for additional sub-quests and such like then that’d be cool, but otherwise, not a selling point for me.

    • Morlock says:

      You would have noticed if there had been 350,000 additional words. That’s more than entire novels combined. Obviously in a computer game like Baldur’s Gate there is a lot of dialogue branching, so no one will encounter all these new words when playing once.

      However, this is also about the quantity. I am not sure whether I trust BeamDog to provide novel quality content.

  2. Yosharian says:

    The reception was mixed because a lot of BG fans/modders are fucking arrogant gits. The additions to BG:EE were great, and easily matched the original’s quality, which is saying a lot. People mostly moaned that EE didn’t change things which they couldn’t change. The only thing I’ll agree with is that BG:EE was a little overpriced if you already had the original games, but frankly for the possibility of BG3 I paid it in a heartbeat.

    Also it took a while for modding to properly work with the game, and it still took some (relatively easy) workarounds, but Beamdog are learning the hard way about that I guess.

    • RProxyOnly says:

      You’re just talking for the sake of talking… you have no clue about what you’re talking about.

      The BG EE release was an abomination.. How long was it? 3-4 months before the game could be said to be in a playable state?

      Beamdog were hired to sprouce the game up yet when it came out it was in worse condition than the original release and it stayed that way for months.. so don’t you dare blame the reception on the community or existing modders.. Beamdog simply couldn’t hack it and on release it was a piece of shit.. and it’s still broken for a lot of people… and you can forget it if you know the game at all…if you know it well you’ll see the game is a broken fucking mess.

      As for the additions being of the same quality as the original stuff…now you’re just being a brainless fanboi.. a couple of quite frankly shitty npcs.. (modders quality npc blow those out of the fucking water as far as quality goes) and a fucking arena game for a storybased game…. Are you shitting me??? an arena for a storybased game?… yeah sure top quality… If you’re a moron.

      Now Beamdog are doing BG2.. and they WANT PS:T or to do a BG3… not bloody likely, Beamdog are quite frankly getting money for old rope, their very presence damages the franchises they touch. This is not an area or genre Beamdog should be touching, these absolute classics demand quality and proper treatment and Beamdog simply aren’t up to the task, actually screwing it up as opposed to making it better.

      PLUS.. the opening movies being “flashised” being of worse quality that the originals.. What brain donor sets out to remake something but has in mind something worse than the original… Who fucking does that?

      Beamdog are con men, trading on other peoples work (jesus, sometimes even their own) and fucking it up along the way.

      Beamdog… Leave PS:T alone.. Quite frankly you don’t deserve to work on it.

      ALSO, these remakes were supposed to HD’ified.. yet they didn’t bother to tell that they couldn’t get the sources so HD was out of the window.. Until more than halfway through ‘development’. So what’s the point of touching them at all if they cant do what they set out to do?.. Everything they have done has been done better and more comprehensively by the community for over 10 years

      If they are unable to up the quality as the advertised was the whole the point of the endevour then they shouldn’t touch them at all because they aren’t really adding anything to the game… they are just pissing around with it.

      • PoulWrist says:

        They fixed some bugs and the installation didn’t take 3 hours of searching some threads for clues on this or that :) I remember last time I went through that stuff for BG and it was like “fuck, I hope this works”. This, however, was simple. I would never install modder NPCs anyway and I just ignored those that they put in.

        350k words put in I would really rather just not have them if they’re from someone other than the original authors. But if they’re nothing that gets in the way or that I can avoid just by not touching their NPCs, then whatever.

        Your other points are pretty nonsensical though.

        • RProxyOnly says:

          Justify the ‘nonsensical’ comment…. what comments had no merit?

          Because every word there is exactly what has happened so far.

          And just because YOU won’t use modder NPC’s doesn’t mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that they are in some way subpar… it’s just that you don’t like to use them, that’s fine… but it does strike me as being that nonsensical thing you’re talking about.

          Beamdog screwed the pooch and took months to sort the situation.. all the while the original was already to play with far better and more immediate conent than Beamdog have managed.

          It’s just a glorifed modders project and Beamdog are less talented than a lot of the modders already working on this.

        • Vorphalack says:

          I’ve got the original 5 disc BG1 + TotSC and it installs properly on Windows 7. The only modification i’ve ever had to make to it is using the MS Application Compatibility Toolkit in order to set up direct draw emulation for the broken fog of war, which is quite simple. Over all it’s one of the most easily fixed classic games I own.

      • Jimbo says:

        I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT!

      • Yosharian says:

        Yeah this is a prime example of what I was talking about

        “You’re just talking for the sake of talking… you have no clue about what you’re talking about.”

        Ad hominem/irrelevant

        “The BG EE release was an abomination.. How long was it? 3-4 months before the game could be said to be in a playable state?”

        Exaggeration. A few little things weren’t patched for quite a while, but the main gamebreaking bugs were cleared up fairly quickly. It’s the infinity engine. It has bugs. How long did it take the community to fix the million bugs that BG1/BG2 had?

        I’m not saying it’s acceptable, but you are exaggerating the severity highly.

        “Beamdog were hired to sprouce the game up yet when it came out it was in worse condition than the original release and it stayed that way for months.. so don’t you dare blame the reception on the community or existing modders.. Beamdog simply couldn’t hack it and on release it was a piece of shit.. and it’s still broken for a lot of people… and you can forget it if you know the game at all…if you know it well you’ll see the game is a broken fucking mess.”

        More hyperbole, as well as not being clear on why the game is currently a ‘broken mess’.

        “As for the additions being of the same quality as the original stuff…now you’re just being a brainless fanboi.. a couple of quite frankly shitty npcs.. (modders quality npc blow those out of the fucking water as far as quality goes) and a fucking arena game for a storybased game…. Are you shitting me??? an arena for a storybased game?… yeah sure top quality… If you’re a moron.”

        The companions are excellent quality. I’ve beaten BG2 about 4-5 times. I know what I’m talking about.

        The arena wasn’t something I personally was interested in, but plenty of people did play it.

        “Now Beamdog are doing BG2.. and they WANT PS:T or to do a BG3… not bloody likely, Beamdog are quite frankly getting money for old rope, their very presence damages the franchises they touch. This is not an area or genre Beamdog should be touching, these absolute classics demand quality and proper treatment and Beamdog simply aren’t up to the task, actually screwing it up as opposed to making it better.”

        More hyperbole/ad hominem, without actual arguments to back them up.

        “PLUS.. the opening movies being “flashised” being of worse quality that the originals.. What brain donor sets out to remake something but has in mind something worse than the original… Who fucking does that?”

        The new cutscenes are definitely a different visual style, but I quite like them. They are a bit ‘marmite’. They aren’t THAT big of a deal, a 15 second cutscene doesn’t make or break a game.

        “Beamdog are con men, trading on other peoples work (jesus, sometimes even their own) and fucking it up along the way.”

        Ad hominem

        “Beamdog… Leave PS:T alone.. Quite frankly you don’t deserve to work on it.”

        Ad hominem

        “ALSO, these remakes were supposed to HD’ified.. yet they didn’t bother to tell that they couldn’t get the sources so HD was out of the window.. Until more than halfway through ‘development’. So what’s the point of touching them at all if they cant do what they set out to do?.. Everything they have done has been done better and more comprehensively by the community for over 10 years”

        They were very clear from the start that the game, apart from having high rez out the box, would not look ‘better’ than the old game. I too was disappointed by this, but it doesn’t really affect the game that much. BG1/BG2 aren’t classics because of their amazing graphics. A true fan of the series would know that.

        “If they are unable to up the quality as the advertised was the whole the point of the endevour then they shouldn’t touch them at all because they aren’t really adding anything to the game… they are just pissing around with it.”

        Please elaborate on which advertisements turned out to be untrue.

        Summary: a bunch of ad hominem/hyperbole mixed with 1-2 subjective interpretations of EE’s features.

        • dog says:

          i thought that was really funny… you called the fanboys ” arrogant gits” and the first response was “you don’t know what you’re talking about”….

          you’re obviously not hardcore enough for their game ;)

          • Vorphalack says:

            Or, he actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

          • Yosharian says:

            I have completed BG2 about 4-5 times, some of those times I had installed the Tactics mod with full options. Later playthroughs were completed with SCSII installed, albeit with some of the more ridiculous elements turned off. Anyone who knows BG2 well knows what this means. I’m as fucking hardcore a player as any of these guys.

          • MasterDex says:

            @Vorphalak: I believe that’s a distinct possibility. Granted, RproxyOnly could have held back on his, um…, passions, but he’s more or less correct in what he’s said.

            I see only one reason to buy these enhanced editions and that’s if you’re buying them for a phone. The GoG version of the games coupled with the likes of BiG World, Weidu, etc, far outstrips the “Enhanced Edition” and that really shouldn’t be any surprise. As RProxyOnly touched on – Beamdog are in it for the money and they’ll get that money – you know what they say about fools and their money.

            On the otherhand, the BG modding community has been hard at work, not for money or fame but for love of the game they played. As RProxy has stated, this community has poured over 10 years worth of dedication into this series.

            In the end, no one can tell us what to buy but honestly, why you’d get the PC version of the EE’s instead of modding the original is entirely beyond me.

          • Ad Avis says:

            I’d suppose me saying that 20$ for a bad mod of a fifteen year old game is far too much makes me more rational then hardcore, but feel free to stoop to name calling.

            It’s not like he has any other way to feel good about himself after missing his chance of a refund other then white knighting and possibly denial induced crying.

          • Yosharian says:

            @MasterDex EE is completely Weidu compatible with a simple workaround which takes about a minute to set up, following basic instructions off the forums. Or at least that was the situation last time I looked.

            To dismiss everything that Beamdog has done as a cash grab is just sad. No wonder no-one else wants to touch these old games.

          • MasterDex says:

            I never said that the EE version wasn’t compatible with it, simply that the base GoG version (being a repackaged edition of the original) coupled with all the different mods out there provided the superior experience and the fact of the matter is that it does.

            With more bugs, double the cost, and additions and changes, many of which had already been made available through the modding community, the enhanced edition, at least where the PC is concerned, strikes me as a lesson for fools.

            Also, you can trick yourself into believing that Beamdog did ALL this work (giggle) out of their love for the game but I prefer to call things as I see them and what I see from BG: EE and the upcoming BG2: EE is little more than an attempt for the developer to cash-in on the illogical aspects of nostalgia.

          • Yosharian says:

            You said that the GoG version together with Weidu outstrips EE, which doesn’t make any sense because the most essential Weidu mods either work with EE or are not needed. The only two key mods that are still being worked on are BG1NPC project and SCS1, which are hardly essential mods for newer players. Frankly SCS1 even at its tamest is still an exercise in masochism.

            BG:EE includes content which makes these mods unneeded (corrected from previous statement, thanks for pointing it out):

            ToBEx (fixes)
            BG1 Fixpack
            BG2 Fixpack (core and core beta)
            Baldurdash
            Dudleyville
            Tutu/EasyTutu and TutuFix
            BGT or its fixes
            Widescreen mod
            One Pixel Productions

            And the most important other mod which is BG2Tweaks works almost perfectly with BG:EE, just a couple of options which currently don’t work, nothing essential (something about the 2handed weapons switching to 1handed and back, dunno if they fixed that yet).

            So your argument is a little unfounded. Even BG2Tweaks is a little advanced for beginners to use.

            As for your comments, it’s sad that you’re so cynical about the whole thing.

          • Nyhmo says:

            @Yosharian are you being payed to spill those lies or are you just that stupid?

            BGEE Does not include any let alone whole content from http://www.spellholdstudios.net/

            And they actually repeated time and again themselves from very early on that they won’t be including content from mods due to legal risks but rather make their version compatible with them when possible

            I get you wish to defend a game you like but ffs dont lie about it

          • Yosharian says:

            When I said ‘included’ I meant ‘includes fixes which make these mods unneeded’.

            Source: http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/6967/bgee-mod-compatibility-thread/p1

            Perhaps it was a poor choice of words on my part, but the manner of your response reveals a lot. Keep trying though, I’m sure you’ll catch me in a genuine mistake soon enough, I’m quite a clumsy individual.

          • Nyhmo says:

            My manner? You keep provoking people left and right and then openly bullshit and Im in question?
            Editing your posts when caught spreading lies wont make you any less of a lying jerk.

          • Yosharian says:

            I better mute you before I use language I regret.

            I did not ‘lie’, I merely used the wrong word, the meaning of my words is unchanged, you do not ‘need’ those mods therefore the experience of playing GoG versions is not ‘superior’ to the EE version. Go point your unwarranted venom elsewhere.

          • MasterDex says:

            I’m not sure you read the same comment that I wrote. I’m pretty sure I stated I wasn’t on about mod compatibility but whatever.

            I guess if you want to justify to yourself and everyone else that spending €20 for a game that’s sub-par to the experience you can get by spending €10, or just breaking out that battered box for the original release, that’s your prerogative.

            Just try not to assume those of us not doing likewise are arrogant gits.

          • Flavioli says:

            “To dismiss everything that Beamdog has done as a cash grab is just sad. No wonder no-one else wants to touch these old games.”

            Sigh. This right here. It takes a tremendous amount of guts for anyone to try to revive this genre because the fans are downright impossible to please. BG1 is my favorite game of all times, and it was soul-crushing to me to see the tremendously negative response Beamdog got. They might have done a somewhat shoddy job but at least they made an attempt to rekindle interest in the genre by making the game easier to play for people who haven’t done so yet. Calling this whole thing a “cash grab” is absolutely soul crushing. Hell, I’ve even heard of people referring to the Torment kickstarter as a cash grab. You people disappoint me so much. We don’t deserve to see a revival.

          • Ad Avis says:

            Noone is actually dismissing what beamdog did, its just what you see as “revival of the genre” I see as shoddy patchjob easily done with a mod or two and then aggressively sold as the second coming.

            The issue ein’t BG content, the issue lies with them hiding behind the BG brand when is suits them and discarding it when it doesn’t.

            And as far as the new torment goes, whether it’s greedy or not – it’s still a new game.
            They didn’t just slap a new logo, gave morte a hat and then sold it as an “enhanced edition” for the same price as the original.

      • Senethro says:

        This kind of unhinged sounding hyperbole is how you identify “true” fans. Words other people use for genocides and other actual bad stuff are cheapened like this.

        • Yosharian says:

          Pretty much

        • Ad Avis says:

          Absolutely, calling anyone with a differing opinion “a fucking arrogant git” is truly unhinged. ;)

          • Senethro says:

            Frenzied posting to last word every individual comment thread doesn’t do you any favours either.

            Guess what? I didn’t even think Baldurs gate series was that good (I played PS:T first), so seeing “fans” stopping just short of death threats on beam dog is kind of alarming.

          • Ad Avis says:

            I would actually grant you both of those points.

            I did spent more time then anticipated and PS:T is a superior game,
            just allow me to point out that most aggravation (personal at least) for beamdog comes not due to the original BG content, rather due to massive amounts of new issues they caused versus new benefits they introduced.

            The pricing doesn’t do them any service either.

          • mouton says:

            @Senethro

            Yeah, BG was nothing special really special in terms of general experience. BG2 was really good, pretty and varied – but I wouldn’t get religious about it, like i do about PS:T or Arcanum.

          • Graerth says:

            @mouton
            I did find BG’s pretty nice and all but was the odd kid when everyone else that played on computers at all were all “omg BG’s are so awesome, i got this ……”
            and i’m all
            “…none of you guys play Arcanum or Jagged Alliance 2?” couldn’t talk to anyone about my night assaults in JA2 or the hilarities of having imo much more fun on characters in arcanum (your dumb as a shit guy constantly being fooled in quest prizes, but who could still crush anyone with 1 blow so eh, or the mage who “could” disintegrate alot of pretty tough fights but then you’d get no loot because “lol, you disintegrated him, ‘s gone”). Bitches thought monks were rad <.<

            1st world small village school kid problems =(.

        • Yosharian says:

          @Senethro yeah it’s sad that people might actually be put off playing the game cos of people like him

    • Ad Avis says:

      The fact that even their *dlc* characters were broken, as in teleport you to a lockedroom/cave and then you can’t leave! shows the effort they put in actually improving the game.

      Sure they made a resolution patch – but it broke the UI in more places then it fixed, sure they improved upon the journal design – but it made most of your quests duplicate/disappear..

      And lets not forget the fact they claimed to make the game for hardcore fans of the series and then reduced the number of monsters by a whooping 2/3rd’s…

      Nothing they added was not already done with mods in some form or another, and that coupled with a bugridden release and their general attitude is shameful.

      Now I feel for you, I payed for the game myself. The difference between us is that I had the sense to leverage my bank to get a refund (as beamdog refuses to do abide such heresies) and you feel that whiteknighting for people who ripped us off by exploiting our nostalgia is somehow going to end up with Black Isle resurfacing and making a BG3. (It ein’t)

      PS At the time of 28/5/2013 most of their release issues contrary to their claims:
      REMAIN UNPATCHED

      • PoulWrist says:

        Which issues? The monster thing was fixed last I tried it.

        • RProxyOnly says:

          You obviously don’t know the game well enough if you think it’s ‘fine’. For those of us who do know the rules there is a LOT of work to be done.. which they won’t do because they have dumped BGEE for BG2EE… screw Beamdog.

          Halfassers.

        • Ad Avis says:

          You want that in alphabetical of chronological order there chief?

          Suffice it to say that adding an additional gibberling or two did not fix the issue of casters acting like a berserk mother-in-law (charging at you with a stick while wearing a dress)

          Nor did they restore the varied bounty hunters to a degree where they are anything more then a joke.

      • Audiocide says:

        “Black Isle resurfacing and making a BG3.”

        It’s a common misconception, but the BG series was actually developed by BioWare. Black Isle was the publisher.

        • Ad Avis says:

          Agreed, but for the sake of allegory “black isle resurfacing” sounds better then “interplay/black isle original zirka 1999 original non split bioware original team resurfacing”

          *multiple use of the work “original” is intended

        • xsikal says:

          While it is true that Bioware was the developer for BG and BG2 (while Black Isle did Icewind Dale1/2 and PS:T), it’s also true that Black Isle was the team trying to make BG3, when Bioware had already moved on to other things. Then, all the Interplay-ish things happened, Black Isle eventually went away, and now we have Obsidian, comprised of many of the former Black Isle devs, working on project Eternity instead. :)

      • Yosharian says:

        “The fact that even their *dlc* characters were broken, as in teleport you to a lockedroom/cave and then you can’t leave! shows the effort they put in actually improving the game.”

        There were some bugs with the DLC characters (DLC? They were included with the game, I fail to see how this is ‘DLC’) but they were fixed quite quickly. Yes, there were bugs. Like I said earlier: it’s the godamn infinity engine.

        “Sure they made a resolution patch – but it broke the UI in more places then it fixed, sure they improved upon the journal design – but it made most of your quests duplicate/disappear..”

        I will admit the Journal is one of the biggest problems, it’s pretty awful in its implementation of the mouse scroll wheel. I’m not sure why you say that the UI was ‘broken’, I didn’t see any problems apart from the Journal.

        “And lets not forget the fact they claimed to make the game for hardcore fans of the series and then reduced the number of monsters by a whooping 2/3rd’s…”

        Evidence.

        “Nothing they added was not already done with mods in some form or another, and that coupled with a bugridden release and their general attitude is shameful.”

        The new characters were not ‘already done’ with mods, not in quality or extent. Aside from that, EE was always about opening up moddable elements like widescreen to a wider audience not capable of modding, and about improving the multiplayer.

        “Now I feel for you, I payed for the game myself. The difference between us is that I had the sense to leverage my bank to get a refund (as beamdog refuses to do abide such heresies) and you feel that whiteknighting for people who ripped us off by exploiting our nostalgia is somehow going to end up with Black Isle resurfacing and making a BG3. (It ein’t)”

        Sorry you couldn’t get a refund, but I don’t think one was justified personally, not on the evidence you’ve just provided. Black Isle resurfacing: hahah!

        “PS At the time of 28/5/2013 most of their release issues contrary to their claims:
        REMAIN UNPATCHED”

        Please elaborate.

        • Ad Avis says:

          Oh, which part exactly?
          You haven’t actually refuted anything I wrote..?

          Quite contrary you yourself acknowledged that (among other things) the journal is STILL broken.

          *The difference between us is that I had the sense to leverage my bank to get a refund *
          Also if you’re going to call me out at least bother to read it – I got my refund, not by the good-natured business practice of beamdog but rather by denying the charge on my card.

          I’d also like to point out that even the 24 hour challenge npc’s done half as joke were of higher quality, were free of charge and their quests did not return debug commands like Dorn’s did or lock up the game during a quest stage.

          Also “hahah!” as always proves to be a superior argument to my logic, I must concede. :)

          • Wulf says:

            Y’know, every once in a while I poke my nose in at the comments to see how things are going and then I’m reminded of exactly why I never came back in the first place. Good to see that the whole master race hate-speech thing is alive, well, and unmoderated.

        • Yosharian says:

          Yeah btw don’t bother cos I already blocked you, you’re not worth speaking to

          • Ad Avis says:

            Ok, hopefully someone else will read and avoid this particularly slippery slope of turning into a petty, bitter person who would rather bully others and call them among other things “fucking gits” then learn from a simple mistake of wasting 19.99$.

            Is really the price of a large pizza worth acting like this, Really?

          • Nick says:

            for what its worth, you come off way worse.

          • Ad Avis says:

            Glad you like it Nicky, I do it for the fans! :)

    • newc0253 says:

      Feh. I bought BG:EE with an open mind and lot of goodwill but i’m sorry to say the additions were nothing special.

      I’m grateful to Beamdog for prompting me to replay the original once more after all these years. But once I’d finished, I chose to buy BG2 on GoG and use the free mods available online because i really couldn’t see the point of waiting x months for the sake of 350,000 more words of Beamdog’s tepid prose.

      • Yosharian says:

        Subjective. Plenty of people really enjoyed their prose. Feel free to elaborate on which particular moments you thought were badly written.

        • Reapy says:

          <— reads rps comments for subjective opinions…just saying

        • cryocore says:

          Heya Yosharian

          While I understand where you are coming from on a few of your points I do take exception at your dismissive attitude and insults.

          I HATED the EE when it was released, and to this day regret the purchase to some extent.
          I own all the Infinity Engine Games (heres a pic of part of my RPG/Adventure game shelf http://iforce.co.nz/i/drxvxm2v.xun.jpg) so I feel I have plenty of credibility here.

          I played and replayed BG 1 and 2 literally dozens of times over the past decade. They along with the original Fallouts and Planescape round out my top 5 RPGs of all time.

          I was excited to here BG getting an EE makeover and cleanup. The talk of new adventures and new NPCs were of no interest, but the idea of cleaning up the engine and making it work issue free on modern OS’s was something I was very interested in. I was also happy to hear about additional features such as porting over to the BGII engine and the ability to zoom.

          What I got was a game with some upsetting downgrades.
          - So the new movies were very low grade 2D flash like garbage that omitted content, and didnt fit the aesthetic of BG at all. You can claim “subjective” all you like, but they add nothing and lost some of the charm for lack of a better word of the originals.
          - Some transitional movies were (and some still are) missing.
          - Dialogue errors, missing options, spelling mistakes, missing triggers, and other text bug were INTRODUCED as these had all been fixed YEARS ago.
          - Crashes, and freezes also new and long since fixed.
          - Missing rules
          - Incorrect rules
          - Transposed rules
          - Path finding bugs
          - Performance drop out
          - Memory leaks
          - Mouse lag and occasional outright loss of the pointer
          - Buggy UI
          - Ugly UI
          - Mislabeled UI elements
          All of these bugs (and many other I didnt personally encounter) were introduced by EE, and ALL had been resolved for a long long time.

          As for the new additions
          - The Arena makes no sense for a Story Driven RPG that while supporting Multi is essentially a single player game
          - The new NPCs had/have broken quest chains, missing dialogue chains, and incorrect dialogue.
          - The new NPCs are hit and miss regarding the quality of the writing and how well they integrate in to the established game.
          - The Zoom function is great, except that it initially broke a lot of games causing gfx issues, crashes and/or freezes. Its also kept resetting itself meaning that you had to readjust the zoom level every screen if you didnt like it at the default level (something anyone playing above 1024×768 would have found).

          All this for more than the combined price of BG 1 and 2 complete from GOG.com which with very basic modding looks better, runs better, and is 99% bug free.

          Even after a few delays for “polishing” it was still very broken (and still is to a degree). It is many things but it certainly isnt “enhanced”

          I applaud them for the desire to upgrade BG, but the end result was poor.

          Based on the quality of the dialogue for the new NPCs and quests I am concerned about the new content for BG2 as this new content for BG1 was noticeably sub-par to that found in the rest of the game and BG2 is a much better written game than its predecessor.

          So in short these so called “gits” did and still do have valid complaints, and your dismissive posts and insults dont make your opinions any more compelling. There is a lot of subjective in there, but the metric shit ton of new bugs and poor QA is enough for anyone to be unimpressed with the released product.

          • Yosharian says:

            “- So the new movies were very low grade 2D flash like garbage that omitted content, and didnt fit the aesthetic of BG at all. You can claim “subjective” all you like, but they add nothing and lost some of the charm for lack of a better word of the originals.”

            I claim subjective because that’s entirely what these are.. they’re opinions. I myself liked the new movies, they’re done in a sort of Thief style. I think they’re far better graphically than the old ones with the awkward 3d models.

            “- Some transitional movies were (and some still are) missing.”

            Which ones?

            “- Dialogue errors, missing options, spelling mistakes, missing triggers, and other text bug were INTRODUCED as these had all been fixed YEARS ago.”

            Such as?

            “- Crashes, and freezes also new and long since fixed.”

            Never froze or crashed once while playing the game, where is the evidence that these bugs still exist in the game?

            “- Missing rules”

            Such as?

            “- Incorrect rules”

            Such as?

            “- Transposed rules”

            Such as?

            “- Path finding bugs”

            I noticed no path finding bugs while playing the game.

            “- Performance drop out”

            No performance issues as far as I could see exist within the game.

            “- Memory leaks”

            Haven’t seen these.

            “- Mouse lag and occasional outright loss of the pointer”

            Never experienced mouse lag or loss of pointer.

            “- Buggy UI”

            The journal is badly implemented, everything else is fine. What exactly is buggy?

            “- Ugly UI”

            Ugly? It’s virtually the same UI as BG2…

            “- Mislabeled UI elements”

            Such as?

            “As for the new additions
            - The Arena makes no sense for a Story Driven RPG that while supporting Multi is essentially a single player game”

            Lots of people have enjoyed it, if you didn’t like it, that’s fine. Doesn’t mean it’s an awful game, or that Beamdog are ‘stealing’ your money.

            “- The new NPCs had/have broken quest chains, missing dialogue chains, and incorrect dialogue.”

            Yes, we discussed that before. These have been fixed. Welcome to PC gaming. There’s often bugs about.

            “- The new NPCs are hit and miss regarding the quality of the writing and how well they integrate in to the established game.”

            Subjective. I have used all three new NPCs and have found them to be excellent, far, far better than other BG1 NPCs thats for sure.

            “- The Zoom function is great, except that it initially broke a lot of games causing gfx issues, crashes and/or freezes. Its also kept resetting itself meaning that you had to readjust the zoom level every screen if you didnt like it at the default level (something anyone playing above 1024×768 would have found).”

            “initially” read above comment on bugs

            “All this for more than the combined price of BG 1 and 2 complete from GOG.com which with very basic modding looks better, runs better, and is 99% bug free.”

            Yes, I noted myself that it is a little expensive. Not everyone wants to mod the original games to get them working. Also there are the extra NPCs, something that I specifically bought the game for.

            “Even after a few delays for “polishing” it was still very broken (and still is to a degree). It is many things but it certainly isnt “enhanced””

            I don’t think you’ve proved that it is still ‘broken’.

            “Based on the quality of the dialogue for the new NPCs and quests I am concerned about the new content for BG2 as this new content for BG1 was noticeably sub-par to that found in the rest of the game and BG2 is a much better written game than its predecessor.”

            Subjective. Without pointing out specific dialogue that you think is poorly written, this amounts to nothing.

            “So in short these so called “gits” did and still do have valid complaints, and your dismissive posts and insults dont make your opinions any more compelling. There is a lot of subjective in there, but the metric shit ton of new bugs and poor QA is enough for anyone to be unimpressed with the released product.”

            Nothing you’ve stated here constitutes valid complaint, in fact you kinda proved my point.

          • cryocore says:

            I really can not be bother covering the multitude of old bugs, let alone the screeds of existing ones.
            How about you educate yourself and read;
            http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/12911/read-before-posting-list-of-bugs-and-issues-that-are-specific-to-windows-pcs

            actually this entire forum covers everything I mentioned
            http://forum.baldursgate.com/categories/windows-pc

            As for my subjective complaints, well they’re subjective. I found the writing childish, and the new cut scenes ugly, as for the missing ones. Well initially the death scene was missing, and most of the location ones still are, and from memory the camping animation was missing as well initially (although I could be wrong on that one), also there was a line cut from the intro, and the Nietzsche quote was also originally missing, sure many of these have since been resolved but some took months, and so can not be excused. If an omission/bug takes far longer to resolve than it does to complete the game (even when played casually) the only minimal credit can be given imo.

            Dont quote me looking for examples again, it comes across as rather pathetic, and based on many of your posts you are actually better than that. They are all included in the tech support forum, many of them have dedicated threads.

          • Yosharian says:

            “As for my subjective complaints, well they’re subjective. I found the writing childish, and the new cut scenes ugly, as for the missing ones.”

            That’s your opinion, you’re welcome to it, doesn’t mean the game is the trainwreck you and others claim it is. I liked the writing a lot, enjoyed interacting with the new NPCs.

            Nearly everything you mentioned there is now fixed, get over yourself. So it took a few weeks to get some of the cutscenes working properly. It’s not the end of the world. What, you have nothing better to do than wait a few weeks before playing a million year old RPG? A few more weeks of waiting will kill you? I waited a month so I could use BG2Tweaks and it didn’t bother me in the slightest, good things are worth waiting for.

            I mean shit, if we were talking about a triple A studio with funding up the fucking wazoo from a big publisher like EA, it’d be a different story, they’d have no excuse for releasing with bugs. But this is a relatively small team working their asses off trying to please a variety of different people. They released too early, no doubt, and I’m sure they’ve learned that lesson. You think it’s a small job to entirely rewrite network code, bugfix tons of dialogue, scripts, triggers etc, troubleshoot across a vast variety of platforms including iOS, oh how dare they let some bugs slip through, they must be satan incarnate, it’s a cash grab, fuck them!

          • cryocore says:

            You’re just being an ass here and making claims about my attitude as well as dismissing the legitimate complaints.

            1: there were literally HUNDREDs of bugs, and there are STILL DOZENS of them
            2: It was wasnt a “few weeks” the first major bug fix was almost 2 months in the making with many other rolled out over the consecutive months. So while I applaud the ongoing support it still took over 4 months to squash some serious game breaking errors (there are still some that are ongoing).
            3: This was AFTER delaying the release twice to “polish” the game.

            The size of the team is irrelevant. Quality assurance is a staple requirement for any consumer product, something they failed to provide.

            So yeah people have the right to say the game was shit when released. Is it much better now? Yes, does that forgive the release state? Hell no.

        • Ad Avis says:

          You really shouldn’t bother with Yoshiboy, the sheer amount of conflicting information coupled with profanities and cyber threats and finally with just a dash of pig latin makes me kinda sorry for him.

          It’s kinda sad when someone is scared for life due to being unable to justify a 19.99$ expenditure.

    • apocraphyn says:

      Blah, just spent a good while writing up a positive response to the topic, only for it to be eaten by the RPS gremlins. So I’ll make this brief.

      I also thought Beamdog’s spruced up version of the game was good. Blackguard class was slightly broken, but quite fun to use. New characters were alright, writing was average (though the same could be said of BG as a whole). The Black Pits was a pretty damn good addition, well voice acted, everything seemed to work pretty perfectly.

      I was affected by a major bug that prevented me from playing the game for a good long while, but that bug was fixed and, even having had to go through all that rigmarole, I still don’t see why people are whining so much. These really do seem to be the same sort of people who used to whine continually every time one of the isometric cRPGs of the glory years came out, drowning in bugs. You could argue that Beamdog set out to fix them and only ended up creating more problems, and that may have been a convincing argument, if they hadn’t set out to create additional content as well.

      (Edit: I feel incredibly sorry for their QA department, though).

    • Gentlemoth says:

      Can you give one compelling reason to give money to people that cannot even make the game better than the original?

  3. Eddard_Stark says:

    350k of inane fanfic-level drivel! Yay! Thank God we have BGT that’s countless light years ahead of Mr. Oster’s cheap cash-in. Trent, you mad money monger. Let’s just hope he keeps his greedy palms off Planescape.

    • LionsPhil says:

      Yeah, claims like that do sound worryingly WORDS FOR THE WORD GOD.

      • Triplanetary says:

        Like the people who just LOVE how many books there are to read in an Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, but… they’re all shittily written.

    • Ansob says:

      Calling it now: it’s 350k words of Imoen romance.

      • Randomer says:

        Ewww. What do you think this is, Game of Thrones?

        • Ad Avis says:

          Obviously its the new premium Jan Jansen love arc instead.

          • Zekiel says:

            I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS

          • caerr says:

            The word on the street is that it is ghostwritten by Alec Meer. You know it means it’s going to be full of clever worldplay like SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER SPACE HAMSTER

            HAMSTERSPACE!

  4. aepervius says:

    As a game I liked BG:EE. The problem for me is that I can’t stand anymore those semi real time AD&D system. About the only game where I still accept it is planescape torment.

    A problem with BG2 is the insta kill game over spells which lich and other similar creature launch at you which has a 5% chance on the dice no matter what to kill you or paralyze you in such a way that you get whittled down.
    There is subquest about a lich (or demi lich can’t remember) and I had to reload 15 or 20 times before 4 or 5 of my party of 5 were neither paralyzed nor in fear/terror. And even with my anti magic sword I was nearly destroyed.

    No really, I like BG2 , but the spells and resistance and combat system are out of the whack.

    • Ad Avis says:

      Yeah, or you could get a cleric or even a mage to throw down defensive buff before you charge in..
      You could have even tried “turn undead” on that obviously undead mob.

      The game was difficult, but most of those unbalanced death things could be used by you aswell.

    • Ansob says:

      Kangaxx is a bonus boss. He’s fully intended to be broken and completely overpowered compared to the actual game.

      I mean, yes, your points about AD&D (and 3.5-based games as well) are completely valid otherwise, but Kangaxx is maybe the one enemy for which that isn’t the case.

      • Ad Avis says:

        Yeah he was a tough S.O.B. but frankly I hated the mindflayers even more.

        I think BG2 was the only CRPG I ran with a 18 int fighter.

        • Cradok says:

          Mindflayers were easy. Three easy spells would turn them into impotent squishys. It’s been too long, but I know that Chaotic Commands was one, I think Protection From Evil was another, and something like Fear Ward or Free Movement was the last. That went for their Umber Hulk mates too, although they were less squishy.

        • Strangerator says:

          I remember using fire elementals against those and it working pretty well. It’s been quite a while though.

      • InternetBatman says:

        The problem with Kang-axx was the way the imprison was implemented. He kicked characters from the party, which could screw all kinds of dialogue up. But he was beatable even without using Yoshimo’s traps.

        • mouton says:

          I believe I murdered him back when I played it. But, hey, I tend to murder everything in games that don’t do moral ambiguity.

    • Biaxident says:

      Yoshimo
      Special Snare

      What liches?

      • Bhazor says:

        Ahh special snare, how many fucking times did I have to quick save/quick load just to successfully lay one of those fuckers.

      • guygodbois00 says:

        Nah, Scroll of Magic Protection or Protection from Magic, can’t remember correctly. It is ridiculously easy after that one.

        • xsikal says:

          ^^ This. Buy a protection from magic scroll. Cast it on your main fighter. Hide everyone else in the corner near the entryway, watch the demi-lich unsuccessfully cast imprisonment a million times in a row until it dies.

    • Yosharian says:

      BG2 without difficulty-altering mods has a lot of ways of countering monsters like Kangaxx. BG2 doesn’t hold your hand, you have to seek out alternative methods of killing things.

      Or alternatively go read a guide on the internet. =p Seriously, vanilla Kangaxx isn’t difficult. Try Tactics Kangaxx. Jesus christ. I still shudder thinking about that bastard.

      • Nick says:

        No, not difficult, just cheesey as hell, chain imprisonment isn’t hard, just lame and *requiring* a reload on your first encounter, which is just bad encounter design.

        • mouton says:

          Optional fights can be cheesy and broken, that is why they are optional. See Spiderweb games.

          • Nick says:

            also half the game is optional, doesn’t mean it has to suck.

        • Yosharian says:

          I don’t think requiring several tries to defeat an optional boss is ‘bad design’. Learning by mistakes is a fine mechanic. ‘Oh he does that? Hmm I guess I’ll have to use that then’ That’s not cheesy. Cheesy is using a Scroll of Undead Protection to own him =p

          • Nick says:

            Its not a mistake though, its an unsaveable insta kill only avoidable by very specific things, that nothing else in the game uses and isn’t even cast like a spell, its just spat out like a range attack. Its a bullshit 1 trick pony encounter that is cheesy and also instantly shut down by other cheese rather than requiring any thought or tactics. That *is* just bad encounter design. Which is a shame as there are some pretty cool optional fights in the game, like the unseeing eye or the top floor of that place in the temple district just for example.

  5. honuk says:

    If there’s anything I want more of in my games, it’s definitely words. Especially 350k of them.

  6. JackShandy says:

    7/10, unfortunately there simply aren’t enough words to justify the asking price.

  7. Goodtwist says:

    Is it me or it’s all hollow words..?

  8. Schadenfreude says:

    How do I kill Kangaxx?

    • Ad Avis says:

      In old Athkatla in a house down by the dock
      Lies an undead necromancer with a death trap on his lock.
      If you should meet him you’ll be soon deep down in rock
      Sent by the Demi-Lich that they call Kangaxx.

      If you’re a brave one and your weapons are +4
      And you’ve found the golden remains from the other tombs before:
      With luck and skill you won’t end up at Toril’s core.
      There must be fifty ways to kill your Kangaxx…
      …Fifty ways to kill your Kangaxx.

      So don’t forget to pocket pick, Rick,
      When he’s just a plain lich, Mitch,
      You’ll get two Rings of Gaxx, Max,
      Wear cumulatively.

      You’ll just get one to start, Bart.
      And when the first lich is slain, Jane
      He’ll go to Demi-Lich state, Nate:
      Act immediately.

      Read your Protection from Magic, Vajic,
      Or all read Scrolls of Undead, Fred,
      But not until he’s gone Demi, Remi,
      Or he won’t talk to thee.

      Summon up a Wizard Eye, Guy;
      Kangaxx can’t imprison that, Matt.
      Cast yourself a Spell Immune, June,
      Abjuration’s the key.

      What sort of weapons does it take to fell this foe
      Who’s survived without a challenge since centuries ago?
      Are they expensive and where do you have to go…
      …To get rid of Kangaxx?

      Some tools are pricey; perhaps you have no cash to spare
      And you can’t shoplift from Ribald as the Amnish Guard is there.
      With all your abilities it doesn’t seem unfair
      To have a cheaper way of killing Kangaxx…
      …Cheaper way of killing Kangaxx…

      Wield the Improved Disrupting Mace, Grace,
      Or the Sling of Everard, Gerrard,
      You could use the Staff Of Rynn, Lynn,
      Better than +3.

      Knock him down with Crom Faeyr, Blair,
      Or the Magi’s Stave, Dave,
      Could try the Withering Spear, Keir,
      To kill him expensively.

      But, the Carsomyr sword, Gord,
      Soulreaver from the Demon Knight, Dwight,
      Cutthroat from the tomb of Bodhi, Cody:
      Can be had for free.

      So make all the snares you can, Dan,
      And every Fire Elemental, Yentl.
      Get Hasted and Berserk, Kirk,
      For 55K X.P.

      (Sung approximately to the tune of “Fifty Ways To Leave Your Lover,” but with some liberties taken with the phrasing)

    • Nodes says:

      Been a few years since I did this so it may be off in the details, but you can use traps to kill Kangaxx easily. Lay a ton of them next to the tomb where he spawns, and they will instagib him into demilich form.

      If you’re particularly evil, you will also have laid another set of traps in one of the corners of the room, and you will use the ring you get from Tolgerias to push him there and instagib his second form.

      • InternetBatman says:

        You can do that as long as you don’t have ToB installed, where they rightfully (in most cases) limited the number of traps you can lay.

        • Vorphalack says:

          You can plant infinite traps in ToB, just gotta rest after using your daily charges. The traps will persist indefinitely until triggered.

          • xsikal says:

            Actually, the limitation they are mentioning is not the per-day trap laying ability, but a check to see how many traps have already been placed in the area, so resting does not address it. (One of the ease-of-use are fixpack mods does remove the limitation though)

    • siepu says:

      Enter alone (kick everyone from your party), turn into Baal spawn form (immune to magic), kill him.

      • Cradok says:

        And it has an added benefit if you use Edwin, changing gives you an easy -2 reputation that’ll keep you off of 20 rep and keep him from leaving.

    • Vorphalack says:

      1st stage, let him cast Gate, then watch as he uses all his good magic against his own pit fiend. Alternatively, use Daystar / Sunray to one shot him.

      2nd stage, have a mage with Protection from Magic: Abjuration stand next to him and absorb 100% of the Imprisonment casts while your party chip away at his health with bonus elemental damage / +4 weapons.

    • Bhazor says:

      I actually beat him the very first time I met him. In the most stupid way possible.
      He summoned a demon and the Demon turned around and one shot him and then almost immediately vanished. It was like being attacked by the suicide squad of Judea.

      I had no idea it was supposed to be a bonus mega fight.

      Now the Lich in the secret room of The Salty Dog inn on the other hand? I don’t think I ever even got one hit in on that heinous motherfucker.

  9. Inigo says:

    Unfortunately 349,999 of those words are “fnord” so you can’t actually read them.

  10. Simas says:

    I heard all the new 350k words are swear words..

  11. Dariune says:

    I didn’t buy BG:EE so I can’t comment on the quality but the fixes and additions just sounded so unimpressive that I no longer hold any hope for BG2:EE.

    I am far more interested in the new IP’s being made in the genre than the over priced bug fixes that Beam Dog seem to offer.

  12. Arach says:

    Interested to see what they´re gonna do with this one,I wasn´t a big fan of the original EE.

    Now where´s my Anachronox EE,eh? The long awaited sequel maybe?

    Yeah,what an unfair world we live in…

  13. FFabian says:

    Having no previous knowledge about the Beamdog/BGEE issues I got excited after I read the headline.

    Now I’m sad.

    • Ad Avis says:

      Well you don’t have to take anything I (or anyone else for that mater) type as what’s right for you.

      You could always try out the demo.. Had they provided one.

      But surely there are dozens of reviews out there that do it justice and don’t just focus on the original game.. Seriously can you link me one – I’ve been looking for awhile now?

      Hey maybe you could post on their forums and hope not to get censored within fifteen minutes with a question like “is it worth the money?”

      But its not like its all that difficult getting a refund from them, you could get your bank to stop the charge or alternatively a time machine will do – but hey at least they have dlc’s!

      • FFabian says:

        I sense a certain bitterness in your posts or in other words: u mad bro?

        Anyhow I got your message: Beamdogs BG = moneygrabbing crapware

        That leaves me with the option to NOT play BG/BG2 on my iDevice and having to sort through half a dozen obscure modding communities to piece together a W7 compatible HD version of BG2 out of crapload of just halfway compatible mod packs.

        • YogSo says:

          “having to sort through half a dozen obscure modding communities to piece together a W7 compatible HD version of BG2 out of crapload of just halfway compatible mod packs”

          That sounds like fun, but I’m gonna be boring and just link this guide here.

          • waltC says:

            That’s the way I play it myself, and have always played it since I resurrected the game from CD perdition several months ago…;) I cannot imagine a better way to play BG1 than with the BG2 engine and a few more mods that Weidu provides installation guides for.

            Someone who complains about BG1 mods without mentioning *this mod* simply hasn’t looked for any mods and is too busy guessing and pontificating to have time to play the game–properly…;)

            I didn’t buy into the BeamDog thing after I saw how poor the “extended and expanded/enhanced” animations looked. In a word: amateur 101. I mean, if that’s all you can do to “improve” things–why bother? It still doesn’t make much sense. The game looks like badly spliced magnetic tape sounds. When the game isn’t bog standard it looks disjointed and cobbled together–amateurishly. Did I say that already?…;)

        • Ad Avis says:

          I don’t think I said any of that but hey if the shoe fits…

          As a side note BGtutu for instance is a single download install easily found via google.
          http://www.usoutpost31.com/easytutu/

          Or you could get it of GoG for half the price.

          Also real question you should ask is “Do you even lift?”

          • FFabian says:

            Thanks guys. I’ll appreciate the effort.

          • Vorphalack says:

            Just beware with Tutu that the total conversion will change all monster spawn nodes in the game into BG2 monsters, as well as populating all spawn points unless you install a second mod. This has two negative impacts; firstly it makes most low level areas a no go zone as the wolves / lone gibberlings are now wargs / hordes of mutated gibberlings. Secondly when you can handle those areas, you get so much experience that it breaks the original balance and pacing completely. There are some nice advantages with Tutu, like the BG2 class kits and UI / inventory improvements, but the monster issue might not be ideal for a first play through. I’d just get the GoG version if you want the classic experience and don’t have the original discs.

        • Audiocide says:

          The GoG version works just fine in W7 and W8. As for HD, well… It’s a 1998 game. Most GPUs and monitors have aspect ratio scaling built in.

  14. Zekiel says:

    Can’t say anything about Beamdog’s port… but my goodness, my heart skipped a beat when I saw that artwork on the front page of RPS. I have fond memories of pouring over the pre-release artwork and screenshots for BG2 back in the day. And even after getting hyped up about the game, it didn’t disappoint. I can’t recall any other games where that has been true.

    Also: Irenicus is awesome.

    That is all.

  15. Dr I am a Doctor says:

    https://twitter.com/daigledopple/status/325341395302879232

    It’s been said for literally a month

  16. tehsorrow says:

    If I want to replay BG1 with an Illusionist PC which is the best way to do that?

  17. Rao Dao Zao says:

    Don’t quite get this desire to add more content.

    If there is any complaint at all that you can level at the Baldur’s Gate saga, it is not “has too little content”.

  18. jrodman says:

    Oh look, more tinkering with games by people who I wish would stop.

  19. InternetBatman says:

    What, are they being paid by the word?

  20. lamiamistral says:

    The quality of the widescreen in EE is better than the quality you get from the widescreen mod. I feel like EE was easily worth the $6.79 sale price Amazon has it up for currently. The wild mage NPC was actually mechanically useful, and if they throw in a thief NPC into 2 that’ll be nice to have. Serious lack of NPC thieves in 2.

    • Zekiel says:

      Yes an evil Assassin or Fighter-Thief would be a good addition. There’s a sad lack of evil characters as well as thieves. (Of course the fact that all the existing evil characters are awesome both mechanically and characterfully does slightly obviate that)

      Not to mention bards – the only NPC bard is a “I wish I were a fighter really” variant.

      • lamiamistral says:

        Poor bards, at least they’re somewhat useful in BG2. I remember my first run of Tales of the Sword Coast back when I was 14, I got to Aec’Letec and he kept chunking all my useful party members. I reloaded a save before the fight and got all the bards in the game and loaded them up with gear and made them sacrificial pawns to kite and distract him while my real characters took down the demon. Their sacrifice was not forgotten.

  21. derbefrier says:

    As someone who has never played the original BG I have to say I rather enjoy the enhanced edition. I guess since I don’t have decades of memories playing BG and never messed with the mods etc. I don’t feel I am missing anything or can’t figure out why so many people seem to think the game is broken. If your new and want to try it out without screwing with mods that may or may not work this version is fine. If your oldschool you weren’t going to be happy no matter what thewy did so just ignore the fanboys.

    My biggest complaint with thew game is multiplayer somwtimes crashes but as long as you save often its not gamebreaking. Its worth the sale price on amazon for sure at least for first time players.

  22. Doganpc says:

    I wanted to leave a comment but the amount of butt hurt here changed my mind.

  23. Abalieno says:

    If someone’s curious about how much is 350k words, there’s my blog page listing some of the longest books around:

    http://loopingworld.com/2009/03/06/wordcount/

  24. Lemming says:

    Fuck me, I thought I was a BG fan until I read the foaming-at-the-mouth comments in this thread. Thanks for the perspective, I guess.