Wot I Think: Logitech G602 Mouse

By Alec Meer on December 11th, 2013 at 5:00 pm.

I’m always a little confused whenever anyone starts talking about the need to replace the mouse with something touch-y or pad-y or any other kind of funnily-shaped objected intended to act as ferryman between the world of flesh and the world of pixels. I like mice. They do the job well, they’ve evolved into high-precision, versatile objects and they remain a great metaphor for remotely poking and prodding at another dimension. I’m a right sucker for regularly picking up new ones that I become (incorrectly) convinced will somehow transform my working and playing life, thanks to their claims about DPI, button placement, mechanically-augmented scroll wheels and spurious new colours of laser. I’ve got about a dozen of the bloody things kicking about in various states of disrepair or simple abandonment. Lately added to the pile is Logitech’s taser-esque G602, a wireless, gaming-centric effort that looks like it fell off the new Robocop.

First, facts. Better get ‘em out the way, because where we’re going, we don’t need data.

  • 11 programmable buttons
  • DPI switchable from 250 – 2500
  • Wireless, with nano receiver
  • Takes two AA batteries; no charger
  • 500 Hz / 2 millisecond report rate
  • 250 hours of battery life, raising to 1440 in ‘Endurance mode’
  • Wireless range: 3 metres
  • ‘Delta Zero sensor technology’ for “power-saving optimisation and high-accuracy cursor control through exclusive lens design, illumination geometry and processing algorithms” and stuff and things
  • Max. acceleration: 20 G2
  • Max. speed: up to 2 meters/second (80ips)2
  • USB data format: 16 bits/axis
  • Dynamic coefficient of friction – Mu (k): .093
  • Static coefficient of friction – Mu (s): .143

OK, I’m now going to completely fail to mention about 90% of that for the remainder of this piece.

I’ll start with the look of thing. Clearly it’s trying to make mice look cool and is targeting what focus groups say people who willingly call themselves ‘gamers’ want, but fortunately it’s gone for a sort of future-industrial look rather than the hideous neon and skull/alien/weapon iconography that too often results in. This is both subtle and ostentatious; the former in terms of its black, carbon and silver colouring, the latter in terms of its inflated size and blade-like protrusions. I mean look at this:

BRB, just off to hold up a grocery store.

In its defence, my middle finger is a little longer than my index finger so the asymmetry does reflect biology too, but symmetrically-fronted mice haven’t ever been a cause of concern before. While I’m afraid of putting my own eye out with the G602, I like the colouring and I like the anti-sweat ridged pack. It might be a little too deep into Terminator country, but not enough to make me feel embarrassed to have it on my desk. It’s… kind of cool. Kind of. Personal preference remains a traditional, more curvy mouse – I consider the sculpt of the MX500 and many later Logitech mice to be something of a design classic (within the sphere of mice, at least – Bang & Olufsen it is not) and it’s to a derivation of that I’ll likely return now. This has a pleasant curve to its surface and is remarkably light considering its bulk, but I’m particularly not getting on with the thumbrest protrusion – it’s too wide, and presses into the underside of my thumb in a way that’s increasingly causing me pain. Your mileage may vary of course, especially if you have a fleshier thumb – my digits are fairly bony.

Onto what I suppose I should call performance, which I can’t fault. I generally steer clear of wireless mice, because of battery life issues and because I prefer a very nippy rodent where possible. The USB polling rate – in very simple terms, this means how quickly your actions are reflected on screen – on wireless models tends to languish at 125 Hz, which equates to an 8 millisecond response time. This, and I’m sorry to sound so nerdly, honestly has noticeable lag to me. Wired mice could be ‘overlocked’ in this regard, and increasingly bundled software or drivers allow easy tweaking, but wireless mice in the main haven’t been able to do this as the limitation is in the radio transmitter rather than the USB connection.

The G602, however, offers up to 500 Hz, or 2 milliseconds, which I simply cannot fault in practice even though true hardware gonks claim a mouse should be 1000 Hz / 1 ms or GTFO. I’m sure graphs and stopwatches can prove there’s a real difference, but if there is my hand-eye coordination is too slow to pick up on it. 500 Hz is fine by me, and it’s a definite improvement on almost all other wireless mice I’ve used. Nice to have the cable off my desk without feeling I’m compromising.

Battery life it’s too early in the day to be saying meaningful things about, unless you really want me to spend up to 1440 hours continually moving a cursor around in order to see which dies first, it or me. Is that what you want? IS IT? Don’t answer that, anyone who still harbours a grudge about my Witcher 1 review. A week and a half of daily use on there are no warning lights flickering however, so hopefully it’ll keep up steam. I do lament the lack of a charger or the option to make it wired in the event the power peters out though, especially in such an expensive peripheral. There is a switch to flip it into a low-power endurance mode and possibly eke a little more emergency life out of it, but again I’m not there yet. I’ll add updates to this later in the event anything of import happens battery-wise.

And now buttons, which to my mind is where the G602 becomes a minor disaster. Look at this mess along the left-hand side:

That’s six buttons, arranged like a Stegosaurus spine. Six angle-edged lumps pressing into my increasingly sore thumb. Pushing into these ridges of doom, as I must to activate any of these six buttons, feels like being bitten by an old, weak man, or a zombie’s last gasp. But, to be honest, my mousing hand’s such a mess of RSI and tendonitis by now that this doesn’t bother me as much as it probably should. The real issue is that while I’ve always wanted to be a pianist, and I don’t mean in the ‘man walks into a bar / wishes for a ten inch…’ sense, but what those close to me have (slightly insultingly) amateur-diagnosed as a mild form of dsypraxia means it’s never been realistic. Precision-tapping six buttons crammed into barely more than an inch of space isn’t beyond me as such, but it sure is a fiddle – especially as the oft-used browser page back and forward buttons are crammed into the middle there, and I often manage to press a millimetre or two to the left or right and not get what I want. Someone with more golden hands than I will find this less an issue, but I maintain that fitting six buttons where only one or sometimes two would be is a… brave step. I was also disappointed that there’s no horizontal movement on the scroll wheel, which I’ve often comfortably used for browser back’n'forth when side buttons are absent.

It must be clarified that this is a ‘gaming’ mouse, however, and those buttons are placed there with the intention of binding custom, user-programmed keyboard commands and macros to for high-speed use in more frenetic and complicated online games, yer Dotas and CODs and whatnot – games I don’t play much and as such I may not be the most appropriate audience for this mouse. I’ve had many such programmable mice before and never really found a use, because I’m familiar and comfortable enough with a QWERTY to have everything I need there, but no doubt that makes me far slower than the pros and the habitual LoLers. Then again, I do insist on a fast mouse and a nice-looking mouse, so I am still relevant: the G602 is the kind of mouse I’d have been interested in regardless.

Two extra, top-mounted buttons allow DPI switching, which I do use to hop between slower-moving desktop work and quick-spinning in action games. I’d argue they take up too much space, but this is such wide mouse that they don’t get in the way of standard clicking in practice. Speaking of girth, I fear the G602 is just a touch beyond the comfortable bounds of my average-sized hands, and again will be happier with the MX500-style rodent, but the larger-handed gentlething will doubtless be glad of a reprieve from clenching their generous mitts into a claw shape.

Oh Christ, I’ve written 1400 words about a mouse. I thought I’d left my PC Format days long behind me. A conclusion then: I quite like the G602, it’s extremely responsive and my ever-cluttered desk is very glad to find a wireless mouse being the match of a wired, but its width and that clump of half a dozen tiny, spiky buttons makes it a problematic peripheral for me. I also dearly wish it was rechargeable. And about £30 cheaper. All that said, I’ve been using it quite a bit on my laptop when it’s attached to my telly and I’m a few feet away on the sofa, and it’s most pleasing to retain the responsiveness I get on the desktop rather than resort to some sluggish Bluetooth thing. The G602 certainly doesn’t feel like any kind of compromise there, but it’s not taking pride of place on my desk. It does, however, give me renewed hope that (better-shaped) wireless mice might be the future after all.

1500 words. I worry about myself sometimes.

The Logitech G602 is out now, costing an eye-watering £70/$80.

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119 Comments »

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    DrScuttles says:

    Grumble grumble looks better than the bare human hand grumble grumble remake grumble.

  2. Turkey says:

    Is that the official box art? Cause I think it could be. Just needs a black background and some neon light effects.

  3. Runty McTall says:

    Well, that’s the tax write-off nicely justified as a professional expense :)

  4. lautalocos says:

    i have a problem. how can you NOT press a button by accident?

    • Mctittles says:

      It’s probably very dependent on your hand size. The designer of this mouse was probably able to rest their thumb in the groove created below the buttons.

  5. Shooop says:

    I’m personally fond of Mad Catz’s Cyborg MMO 7.

    http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/mmo.htm

    The buttons are spread out more which means it’s absolutely massive, but there’s only two I have any trouble getting to in a hurry, and I never hit a button on it by mistake.

    • Atrocious says:

      I always look at that thing at my local store and wonder if it’s any good or if it just looks fancy. Adjustable weight system, really? Does a mouse need that?

      Then I usually just by a nice small generic two-button-mousewheel mouse. Next time my mouse breaks, I may give it a try though. These programmable buttons could be useful for EVE or some shooters.

      • deadly.by.design says:

        I’ve enjoyed my Logitech G500 for years, but the first thing I did was take out those silly weights. The mouse felt much better without any extra weight.

      • Dogsbody says:

        I have a Cyborg (non-MMO one) and it’s honestly the best mouse I’ve ever used. Yes, it looks way funkier than it needs to, but the adjustable-ness really works well. and i’m a fan of weights, once you mess around with them you’ll realize if you like your mouse heavier or lighter.

      • Shooop says:

        I personally like the weights. For me, using them means I can turn the DPI up higher and not have to worry about an almost unconscious ever-so-slight twitch of my hand sending the cursor flying. Very useful for aiming in shooters and high-detail image editing.

        The Cyborg line from Mad Catz is all about customization. There’s a selection of three palm rests and pinky grips each to choose from in the box for all the ones numbered 7 and up. A good warranty too, one of the thumb buttons on one I had started dying and I got a replacement with hardly any questions asked.

      • Aardvarkk says:

        I also like the weights in my G500. I just checked & I have it loaded with 12.7 extra grams which makes it feel just perfect for me.

      • hungrycookpot says:

        I’ve got the RAT7 non mmo wired mouse. I concur that it’s probably the best mouse I’ve ever owned. I’m admittedly not a gaming-mouse enthusiast, I like my mice small and quick, but this mouse feels just right in my hand, the weight system might be a little much, but if you don’t like it, just dump em out? Tracks great, awesome precision, nice construction, def worth the $70 I paid.

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        LegendaryTeeth says:

        Love my MMO7. It’s super customizable, and looks like a STEALTH FIGHTER! The hat is awesome for games like Planetside that have a lot of voice channels built in that I always want access to. It also has a really neat feature where if you press the center hat button, it drops the DPI by 50% putting you into “sniper” mode, which is super handy. For sniping.

    • Tams80 says:

      The ‘joystick’ is the best thing about that mouse. I l ok ke the idea of many-buttoned-mice, but the Naga just can’t fit them all within comfortable reach.

      • Shooop says:

        Erm, I’m talking about the Mad Catz Cyborg, not the Razer Naga.

        The Naga is just a hot mess, no one can conceivably use that effectively.

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          xao says:

          I really like my Naga, but I haven’t tried the Cyborg. Is there anything in particular you prefer about the Cyborg? I ask mainly because I’m about due for a hardware upgrade, and I’d be open to upgrading my mouse while I’m at it.

      • Mctittles says:

        If you are referring to the 4 way “hat” switch on the MMO mouse I like the idea in theory but have trouble using it myself. I think it would work better if it stuck out further maybe. Currently I have to grip the mouse on the right a bit to press the hat any direction but forward. That is a bit hard to do with right buttons to accidentally press as well.

    • Mctittles says:

      I was mouse shopping just last month and ended up settling on this guy:
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CEX29K0/

      I’ve owned a lot of gaming mouse over the years and anyone looking to save some money should seriously consider this one. I thought I’d give it a shot to see if there is a difference over the $100+ mice I have used in the past and honestly I think I prefer this one the most. Be aware though there is a “II” model and a black version that has less buttons.

  6. AshRolls says:

    Personally I don’t get on with wireless mice, way too heavy with the batteries in them.

    • Lev Astov says:

      I cannot fathom how anyone could have trouble with the weight of their mouse. I’ve heard multiple people describe wireless mice as pushing bricks around and I just don’t understand. How are you using it?

      • tormos says:

        step one, tape it to a brick to ensure stability

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        Devan says:

        To answer your question, Lev, I like to use the fingertip grip for mice, which means I’m only using my finger strength to manipulate the mouse, primarily just the thumb and pinkie finger with the others being there for stability.
        Of course people are exaggerating if they describe it as pushing a brick around, but really it’s all about inertia. The weight of the mouse is a tool and the optimal weight depends on its use. For editing images or other artsy applications, you usually want to avoid the jump and jitter of a light and sensitive mouse, so you might add weight so you can make smooth strokes. For games that require fast and accurate reactions of the mouse, people tend to prefer a lighter one so they aren’t always fighting against the momentum.

        However, I avoid wireless input devices of all kind because I don’t want the reduced reliability and increased latency, or the extra cost of batteries.

  7. Tiax says:

    Sooooo, any reason I should buy the G602 to replace my trustworthy Perfomance MX ?

    • Jake says:

      I love the frictionless scroll on the Revolution MX (think it is the same as the Performance MX) and don’t think I could ever go back to a mouse that didn’t have it. No idea if this mouse has it as it might just be standard now or something and I can’t understand all the tech specs. They should really add it to specifications in a way that makes sense like ‘normal crappy scroll wheel which gets EXHAUSTING on long web pages’ or ‘magical lovely frictionless scroll wheel where you can glide around like an ice skater across the internet’.

    • Lev Astov says:

      No, I don’t think this one has the rapid scrolling like the MX series. For that, get the G7. I’d say the Performance MX is fine, but I personally prefer the MX Revolution because of its solenoid actuated scroller. I’ve been buying old ones off of ebay…

      • Jake says:

        I have the Revolution MX. So a ‘solenoid actuated scroller’ is what I am looking out for if I ever need to upgrade then eh? Whatever it’s called, it’s fantastic.

  8. Ich Will says:

    I used to love PC Format, and Amiga Format….

  9. Flappybat says:

    I used one wireless mouse and never again. Batteries are the last thing you want in a mouse, plus the extra latency they add.

    • snv says:

      Exactly, “wireless, gaming-centric” is all that had to be said about this mouse to know it is a fundamental design-failure

      • Lev Astov says:

        There is no latency detectable by the human brain added by this or other Logitech wireless mice, gaming or otherwise. Not in the last 8 years, at least. I’ve had so many. The batteries just require a proactive swap of the rechargeable battery any time it gets low, but it’s understandable if people can’t handle that.

    • Press X to Gary Busey says:

      The latency in this is 2 ms. Most people use wired mice with 8 ms latency since that’s windows default USB polling frequency.

  10. LionsPhil says:

    Is it a Microsoft Intellimouse v3?

    No?

    Then it goes IN THE FIRE.

    • Jehar says:

      I find it amusing that after all of these years, players who are not beholden to sponsored hardware will often go for the humble intelli3 or WMO. The Dreamhack Winter QL finals featured these in the hands of both Rapha and Cypher. Some companies are picking up on this though and are looking to mimic that build/feel. The steelseries Kinzu and the Zowie AM are two such examples.

  11. Jomini says:

    As a lefty I don’t even really need to bother with reading the review after seeing the pictures.

    • Koozer says:

      As another lefty, I found it much easier to just get used to using my right hand, rather than a) having to move the mouse on the family/school/uni computers over to the other side every time, if there was even room, or b) being limited to roughly 3 types of mice when buying one. On the plus side I can now use a mouse pretty well with both hands, which I am certain will come in handy one day. Definitely. Right guys..?

      • Press X to Gary Busey says:

        You can play Settlers 1 on Amiga in two player split screen against yourself.

    • Voronwer says:

      As a lefty, I never actually bothered using my mouse with my left hand. Go figure. Do I lose my lefty card now?

    • Aardvarkk says:

      I have lefty friends who have their work and home systems setup for left hand use.

      Both my girlfriend and I are left-handed, and we learned at a young age to use the mouse with the right hand. I don’t begrudge anyone for using their left hand for mouse use. They are missing out, although not to a large degree.

    • Skabooga says:

      I’m a righty, but I use the mouse with my left hand because everyone in my family except for my father is left-handed, and he is an accountant (he started using the mouse with his left hand so that he could simultaneously mouse and use the numpad, and then he just got used to it). So, I absolutely feel the pain of all you lefties out there.

  12. GamesInquirer says:

    With the upcoming space games like Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous, No Man’s Sky, Enemy Starfighter and others, you should totally do a WIT after rigorous testing of all the potentially decent and somewhat readily available budget priced joysticks like the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X and its Thrustmaster T.Flight Stick X stand alone variant, the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, the Speedlink Black Widow, the Thrustmaster T.16000M, the Cyborg F.L.Y 5 and the Defender Cobra M5. There are just too many conflicting reports about this type of thing as some people will praise a product’s durability and precision while others will claim bits of theirs broke way too soon and it was too inaccurate or with too large dead zones for solid flying and combat performance anyway. Of course someone buying the top of the line stuff like the Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog or Saitek x52 Pro probably doesn’t need additional reassurance of its quality, it’s us poor folk that need to second guess even modest investments of the ~50 range. It’s sad there have been way too few joysticks in recent years (especially as some of the models in my list would benefit greatly from updates alleviating some of their sore points, like the flimsy buttons of the T.16000M or the rudder of the Black Widow) and only Saitek seem to be cooking up a new product with their teased x55 which will most likely be another expensive high end model. Anyway, yeah, something nice for us poor folk. If you start testing now, with enough abuse you’ll have a comprehensive report on their quality as well as durability by the time a real version of these games releases :)

    • Sheng-ji says:

      Oooh, this please!

    • Tams80 says:

      Saitek or go home.

      Review done.

      More seriously, the all in ones like the Logitech are medicore at best.

      • GamesInquirer says:

        There are enough “Saitek sux” posts online for me to need a more substantiated writeup like the one I’m hoping RPS do. I’ve done pretty exhaustive research online and there’s no real consensus, hence my suggestion. Obviously when buying cheap a gamer will have to expect compromises, not a Thrustmaster Warthog’s quality for a fraction of its price, but the point is to find a product that has the compromises in the right places, like the amount of features and exterior material quality, rather than one that negates the point of its existence by having core flaws that make games unplayable. Not everyone who will play games like Star Citizen is an “Admiral” who can afford a setup that costs as much as the ships that gave that status. I’m glad your Saitek setup is working out for you but with a high end set (if you’re using something like the x52 Pro or better) you can’t see things from the point of view of someone looking to make a budget purchase as you wouldn’t find any compromise acceptable in comparison to yours (like using the keyboard for functions you have mapped to features of your Saitek).

        • Reapy says:

          I caved in on a x52 pro set up a while ago, but I figured that as a long term investment, I won’t be buying a flight stlick/hotas set up for a long, long time. But anyway, before that I was a budget joystick buyer…

          First thing… you will surprised what you can get away with using a mouse and keyboard. Joysticks will offer you acceleration movement and varying ‘throw’ distances, mice give you precision. For flight of any kind, probably do need the joystick. I just know I was repeatedly told by people I ‘needed’ a joystick for a mech warrior game, when I always found aiming MUCH more precise with a mouse.

          Anyway, that out of the way, I think the most important thing you need for a budget joystick is a tight center spring. This has been the damning part of any budget flight stick I’ve used. A weak center spring means you have to widen your deadzone to avoid ‘idle drift’ and keep the craft pointed in the same direction you left it. A bigger deadzone means you have less response time to your input as you have to pass the deadzone area before the game starts taking your input.

          A good ‘tight’ joystick means you can lean back in your seat at an angle and take pressure off the stick and have it center out the last way you pointed it. I’ve been frustrated countless times by a stick that will tilt back and pull up and to the left/right a bit after you take pressure off it to fly straight. Usually this results in you having to baby sit the controls on any kind of idle flight, a downtime when you could be doing something else like looking at a map or whatever game function that needs your attention.

          Don’t rely on force feedback budget joysticks holding your center either. Maybe newer ones are better now, but my older ones did not have enough motor to keep the joystick dead centered, would have been better to just have a spring that was keeping it propped center.

          The other key feature is if you want a twist feature on the stick for a rudder like control. Probably don’t need this for a space game, for a ww1 or ww2 it will be pretty vital. I find that sticks without the twist feature though tend to feel better and have less wiggle, but you might not want to lock down your versatility by getting one without.

          All the other stuff is just gravy, button layout on almost every joystick is usually pretty good, maybe make sure you have enough for the functions you want to get to, but assume with a non HOTAS setup you will have to have your left hand on the keyboard anyway.

          In the past I would have said go down to your big electronics store and just try it out, but that really isn’t an option anymore, you will be lucky to see any kind of flight stick set up to try out.

          Finally, I really liked simhq’s joystick reviews, though they stick mostly to the high end stuff, I find they are pretty serious pilots over there that care a lot about their joysticks and have nice insight into the ones out there.

      • Novotny says:

        Saitek? Their high-end stuff is OK but I’d much prefer Thrustmaster or CH products.

    • aldo_14 says:

      I bought a Hotas X last year, I’m pretty happy with it – particularly in terms of the general heft and trigger feeling for what is a fairly budget joystick.

      ( I used to have an old model – 2003 – Saitek Cyborg, and it was horrible; cheap lightweight plastic and a trigger that felt like a clicker)

      Miss having force feedback, though – why was that dropped from joysticks?

      • GamesInquirer says:

        Always good to hear someone got a good deal on a cheap thing.

      • Zenicetus says:

        Force feedback support was a victim of the drying up of air combat and space sims in the last decade or so. A few games still support it, like Rise of Flight, and there is a small Ebay market for old discontinued Microsoft FF sticks to use in that game. I think Logitech has a FF stick still in production, but I don’t know how good it is. The RoF pilots seem to prefer the older MS stick. I just use my Warthog and let the tension provide some feedback for how far I’m out on the edge of a stall.

        It’s a chicken and egg problem, basically. Force feedback needs cooperation between the software developers and the hardware manufacturers, and enough gamers interested in buying both the flight sims and the hardware. All three of those things need to come together. With the move toward console-ization of games on the PC, dumbing things down to what will fit on a gamepad (looking at you: X: Rebirth), it doesn’t look like we’ll see this anytime soon.

    • SuicideKing says:

      I have an Extreme 3D Pro, it’s nice, not been too hard with it so it’s lasted well over two years now, i think. It does have a slight issue with its twist axis, too easy to twist left, have to mess around with dead zones.

    • Zenicetus says:

      The best joystick really depends on the mechanics of each individual game; specifically, where you need the joystick to sit on the range from “twitch response” to more deliberate, precision maneuvers and aiming. We’ll have to wait and see what the actual flow of combat is like, when Star Citizen, Elite, and any other contenders are actually released. Then we’ll find out which sticks work best with which game.

      For example, I have a high-end HOTAS rig with a Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle, and Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals. It’s great for WW1 air combat in Rise of Flight, or a modern jet or helicopter sim like the DCS sims. But a heavy, tall stick like that, with a fair amount of resistance, isn’t ideal when I go for a little nostalgia space combat in Freespace 2 Open.

      When you’re chasing nimble ships that move across the screen very quickly, as opposed to air combat maneuvers where you’re trying to fly precisely on the edge of a stall, then a shorter stick with a quicker “twitch” response can be better. That’s also good for any of the more casual, “action” flying and space games.

      On the other hand, if the combat is more tactical than twitchy, and you need really precise aiming around the center point, then something like the Warthog stick (which doesn’t have the feel of an X/Y slots as you move it around) can be ideal. When I went on an extended Freespace 2 binge recently, I plugged in my old CH Flightstick, which is tall like the Warthog, but has less tension. I can rest my hand on the base, grab the stick around the bottom, and get a twitchier action.

      For what it’s worth… I think the CH Fighterstick is a good option in the middle of the price range. It’s been in production for years, has very solid construction for a plastic stick, and decent programmable drivers. I used mine for years, along with the CH throttle quadrant and pedals, before getting the Warthog set. I’ve never liked Saitek sticks. They always felt cheap and the designs looked gimmicky and futuristic instead of practical,. Although, I haven’t tried any of the latest models, so take that with a grain of salt. Their Pro Flight Combat pedals on the other hand, are the best available until you get up into the really expensive professional training sim pedals.

      ETA: Oh, and to keep this OT, I like the Corsair “Vengeance” M65 corded gaming mouse. No frills, very precise button feel and not covered in extra buttons. Not ambidextrous, though.

      • GamesInquirer says:

        I’ve seen the CH recommendations and could stretch the purchase that way (not the fighterstick but possibly the combatstick) as their quality seems to justify it (I wouldn’t pay the same money for something lesser) but the problem is they don’t even have a twist (as they’re realism based like your Warthog) so I would need to buy additional hardware pieces like you mention, driving the price further beyond the desired budget range (read: dodgy cheap stuff as I listed, nowhere near your dreamy hardware). For a low price I’m willing to settle for a middle ground that isn’t ideal for any but is usable enough for all styles, as long as the stick can technically be accurate even if it requires more from the player than a more suited to the particular game product would.

        • Zenicetus says:

          Yeah, I wish CH would redesign at least one of their sticks for twist support. Maybe they think it would cut into the sales of their rudder pedals.

          If you’re on a more limited budget and still want one of the better sticks that don’t have a twist function, keep an eye out for used CH rudder pedals on Ebay. They aren’t quite as good as the Saitek Combat pedals (a little too close together for some people, and a stronger centering feel), but they’re well made, probably a safe purchase as a used set.

          Another option is just to use keyboard commands for rudder, or strafing in space games. You can use the analog wheel on the base of the CH sticks for throttle control, which frees up your left hand. Then get rudder pedals later on, if you feel you really need them.

      • Lekker says:

        We have the same setup, Warthog HOTAS and Saitek ProFlight combat pedals. Flying with those is buttery smooth and very precise. And with Rift it really strengthens the immersion, to new levels really.

        On topic, I went through many many mice in my gaming career. Currently using Razer Deathadder 2013 – I used G500s prior to that, and Steelseries Xai and Sensei and G5 and so on before that. Ergonomics on that thing are really something, fits like a diaper. Lightweight, dead on accuracy, great for shooters or RTS.

        However as ex-competitive fps player, I still praise MX510 and Intellimouse 3.0 to high heavens.

    • derbefrier says:

      Yes please! I bought a saitek x52 pro not to long ago and like it alot but I have friends who will be buying them shortly. Also dont forget foot pedals thats next on my list. When I bought jine I had no idea what to look for but the x52 as far as I could tell had mostly positive reviews so I went for it. Is it good? I think so but I really have nothing to compare it to and thats where an article would really he benificial

  13. Soleyu says:

    Why is there no successor to the Logitech G9/G9x, that mice is by far one of my favorite/better ones that I have ever used. Everything was just right with it, though it could have a couple more buttons, but aside from that it was awesome.

    But alas, the world and Logitech conspires to make this not so.

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      Carra says:

      Been using it for two years or so and indeed, it’s very nice. A step up from my previous mx518 which was starting to fall apart (after being used for euh, five years or longer).

      It was pricy though. Heck, I only bought it because they had a €20 discount as someone had returned the mouse.

    • Snargelfargen says:

      Baffling why it was discontinued, it was a popular line of mice and there’s nothing else quite like it. I was at a LAN last weekend and 4 of my 5 neighbours were using an iteration of the G9!

      The G9x’s can still be found here and there, although they are starting to get more pricey. I picked one up this summer, although my original G9 is still going strong after five years.

    • Sucram says:

      It’s a good mouse, but who they hell thought it was a good idea to put buttons on the underside of the mouse.

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    VelvetFistIronGlove says:

    I haven’t found a mouse to beat Logitech’s G700 yet. The original model looked reserved and confident, but unfortunately they ditched that in favour of “gamer” garishness on the G700S. 1ms report rate. A cable for charging without having to stop playing when the batteries get low. Full keyboard emulation on the mouse so prerecorded hotkeys work without installing client software. More than two easily distinguishable side buttons (a lifesaver for separate TS/Side/Direct push to talk buttons in ARMA). Not too heavy because of just a single AA. Tracks on any surface.

    The side buttons on the G602 look a bit like the ones on the G700; their odd angular shape is so that you can just nudge them upwards with the side of your thumb instead of pushing them inwards.

    • GamesInquirer says:

      The crude, ludicrous designs of most recent mice are the reason I ended up getting a G400. Why they can’t attempt to improve and add features on that style is beyond me.

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      darkChozo says:

      As a G700s owner (which is nigh-identical to the G700 aside from the flamboyant paint job), I can confirm that it’s a very nice mouse. Don’t notice any input lag and have never had any battery or wireless issues beyond being an idiot and not plugging it in after umpteen hours.

      • dysomniak says:

        Another satisfied G700 owner here. The four side buttons feel just right to me (enough to have options, but not so many that it’s crowded or confusing), it has a wired/recharge option, and the matte black look goes with anything. Seems like it’s everything Alec likes about the 602 without the major gripes.

    • ObiDamnKenobi says:

      The 700S is also $80,vs just $60 for the 602. A not insignificant difference. The latter I’ll pay for a mouse, the former not so much.

    • Zhiroc says:

      I too like the G700, mostly, but it has a terrible battery life, around 5 hours maybe, and that’s even with me not running it with high report rates and in gamer mode. I also find the back pair of the 2 side buttons to be very difficult to hit.

      • tungstenHead says:

        Wow. I’ve had two G700 mice (microswitch on the RMB started acting up on the first one but Logitech replaced it without fuss) and I could depend on 12 hours of battery life from them. I set it to 500Hz and the normal gaming power profile, plug it in over night, and it rarely runs out of juice. I wonder if your battery might be faulty because that’s a big difference in performance.

    • belgand says:

      While I like my G700 I don’t know if I’d actually buy one again.

      The scroll wheel is far too loose. The indexed mode isn’t particularly stiff and the free mode spins so freely that nudging the mouse will send it off on its own adventures. Frankly I feel like the indexed is closer to what a free spin ought to be. Fast, but controlled.

      While it’s nice that it can, in theory, be plugged in and used at the same time the cord is weirdly stiff. So stiff that it’s awkward to move around on the desk. I can, in a pinch, use it while plugged in, but it’s far too troublesome to use while gaming.

      The biggest issue though is just the sheer size of the thing. It has a massive hump in the middle that’s a significant challenge to get my hand over. Perhaps it’s just because I have smaller hands, but it’s annoying. I can hold it well enough, but it’s never fully comfortable and I often feel like my hand is sliding off to the back.

    • Spoon Of Doom says:

      I have the G700 as well, and while I like many things about it, I also have a bunch of annoying issues with it. None of them quite gamebreaking by itself, but taken together it’s enough of a hassle that I don’t plan to buy wireless Logitechs again. Seeing how satisfied other people are, I’m not sure if mine is just defective – I might have to look into that.

      Mine has weird issues with “forgetting” my DPI settings for 5-10 seconds after booting up my PC or the mouse waking up from standby after not being moved for a while. Whenever I attach or detach the cable, there is an annoying pause before I can use the mouse again. It also has become basically unusable without the cable attached, because without it the cursor will often just spasm about for a second or two. At least this way, I don’t have to worry about the mediocre battery life any more.

      The best mouse I’ve ever had (and sadly don’t possess anymore) was a Microsoft Sidewinder X8. It was also wireless, but had none of the above issues. It was fast, precise, fit my hand exceptionally well, had adjustable weight and an amazing battery life. Even the cable was awesome: you didn’t plug into a mini USB like with the G700, but the cable attached super easily via magnet.
      Unfortunately, they’ve stopped producing it, so at best I’m gonna be able to find a used one somewhere in at least acceptable condition.

      After that, I had a Roccat Kone[+], which was also great except for its typical scroll wheel defect, which caused me to replace it with the G700. Its successor, the Kone XTD has seemingly fixed the wheel issue, so maybe I’m going to get one of those at some point.

  15. Wedge says:

    Oh USB and your polling rates. I still have my Logitech G5 from like 07′ or 08′, it started getting buggy a year or two ago so I switched it to the PS/2 port and now it works better than ever. I’m only sad motherboards have 1 PS/2 port at best now, so now I can’t have my keyboard plugged into one too. If you aren’t using some fancy digital features on a keyboard or mouse, PS/2 is still the best.

    • Jehar says:

      Yyup. Latency creep has gotten to the point where reverting to 0ms hardware like ps/2 ports and crt (!) monitors has become desirable for the discerning. Latency is a solvable problem, but it’s certainly not the biggest priority for any one hardware designer along the chain.

  16. edwardoka says:

    It looks like something from Robot Wars…

  17. donweel says:

    Side view looks like one of the shuttles from Firefly. As far as gaming goes I am a slob, my desk is not navigable by mouse for gaming not without a lot of picking up and placing down or running off the edge. That is why I trackball it. Always have. Thanks to my early training in Marble Madness I am not half bad with one by now.

  18. Berzee says:

    Have mice developed to the point where you can slouch into an easy chair and push them around on your stomach? It is at that point that I will begin to consider other options besides the Logitech m570 trackball or similar.

    • Snargelfargen says:

      Logitech makes “couch” mice meant for soft fabric surfaces, so yes. Don’t take your shirt off though.

    • All is Well says:

      The M570 is really great though. After using one you’ll question why anyone would ever want to wriggle their wrist around like some sort of lowly peasant doing “manual labor”.

  19. Luke says:

    As far as thumb buttons go, I think the max should be three.
    One big one in the middle, and two smaller ones, one in front, one behind.
    That way I can easily rest on the ‘browser back’ button, and rock into one of the other two.

    But please stop giving them serrated edges. The Logi G5/G7 button was lovely. Give me that big button in the middle, and two of those little rounds ones off the top of the unit, in front and behind.

    Edit: As GamesInquirer said up there somewhere… the G400. That’s pretty much spot on.

    Stick another one of the smaller button a little farther back and then leave it be.

    • Reapy says:

      I got the naga, because I had long wanted to have more buttons on my mouse for gaming. In the end I was unable to train myself to use it, and found for MMO play sliding my hand over to sdfe + button bars was enough for me to get a hand on any hotkey I need.

      For action games, there were only about 3 or 4 buttons I could reliably hit that would not unset the mouse as I pressed them. I liked having a lot of buttons there, but any button that you have to upset your wrist to press, causes the mouse itself to move, which is HUGELY frustrating for any function that requires you to click on something. Those buttons towards the back are basically unusable except for some function that doesn’t require speed or precision, which in that case it is easier to use F1 or just click an icon to access it, no benefit for hardware there.

      Still, I think 3 to 4 buttons, towards the middle/bottom of the mouse side, would be perfect. They still need no throw and a distinct ‘press’ state. The cybog RAT I have has 2 high buttons, they suck for action functions and are not very tight. I think they have been improved on newer versions, but still that is important.

      I am kind of shocked they haven’t figured out the best set up for buttons, and even then not many games will support mapping those side buttons by default still.

  20. CookPassBabtridge says:

    Is this a claw or a palm mouse? I have the G500 and really wish I’d realised its intended as a “palm” type. I am definitely a claw player and the G500 has a tendency to pivot on its axis when I use it, giving a weird floatiness that I’ve never really incorporated into my style.

    Idiotically, I bought it from PC World where you can never, ever take anything back once you’ve removed even the tiniest bit of sellotape. This is because PC WORLD MANAGEMENT ARE D**KS (well the one in Aberdeen they are anyway).

    • Ragnar says:

      This would be palm. It’s wider, longer, and with a larger thumb rest that assumes you’re testing your palm on top. I think all the Logitech gaming mice are palm mice.

      • kael13 says:

        Except the G9 and G9x. But they don’t make those any more.

        Also to the OP, you can take them to the small claims court if they won’t process your refund. Mice are not perishables or underwear.

        • CookPassBabtridge says:

          TBH I should have known. I bought some surround headphones for my dad and asked if I could return them if they were faulty and they said they couldn’t take back anything once you’d opened the box. I pointed out that it would be impossible to know if it was faulty until you opened it, and he looked slightly pained, then irritated. I resolved not to buy things from them ever again, which in general I stuck to, but basically a year or so later I had left my mouse somewhere 500 miles away from where I lived and was in a hurry, so I went for it. PC World, you blow

          They won’t even let you try something out in there if it means opening a box.

          • Koozer says:

            According to Trading Standards you are perfectly entitled to open goods to verify they are in full working order, and get a full refund if faulty.

          • LionsPhil says:

            They won’t even let you try something out in there if it means opening a box.

            Yes, I encountered that with them.

            So I said “bye”, drove to a different nearby store, and bought the mouse from there.

      • CookPassBabtridge says:

        @Ragnar Worth bearing in mind, cheers. That said its weird though as I’ve had a few logitechs and never had a problem. I think its something to do with the thumb rest being off-axis.

    • Snargelfargen says:

      Steelseries’ smaller, less fancy mice are quite good for claw grip. Not very much 1337 gamer bling on them either.

  21. Psymon says:

    I used to be a fan of Logitech, but their software, Setpoint or LogitechGamingSoftware depending on your mouse, is becoming quite disappointing.

  22. BreadBitten says:

    Is that the new Nanosuit?

  23. Synesthesia says:

    mice and computer cases, huh. Are they all designed by the same fat 14 year old metalhead kid?

    • All is Well says:

      Don’t forget keyboards, headsets, and pretty much any other computer device or peripheral that is marketed towards “gamers”. Does anyone know how gaming design came to be synonymous with the l337-edgy, black-with-neon-details, weirdly angular and overwrought?

    • Mctittles says:

      I used to watch movies that portrayed the future as a world full of buttons and neon lights and think no one is going to live like that?

      Then I walked into my room the other day with the lights turned off. All the colored LED’s from my keyboard, mouse, flight stick, tower, monitor, and speaker volume control did indeed look like the “future” portrayed in those older movies.

  24. kerbal says:

    The world hates southpaws. Why cant i get such device as a lefty? Should not be to hard to engineer a “transformer” model which serves our needs and respects our otherness.

    • ThTa says:

      Razer does offer a ton of left-handed or otherwise ambidextrous mice. (Incidentally, I’m using their Deathadder purely because it’s vastly more comfortable to me than any of the stuff Logitech pumps out.)

      Aside from that, outright mirroring a mouse may not be that difficult from an engineering perspective, but as far as bringing one to market goes, it may simply not be worth it due to manufacturing costs and lack of demand. From my personal experience, a lot of left-handed people just use mice with their right hands and leave it at that. By comparison, I find myself always using both my laptop’s trackpad and my SpaceMouse with my left hand, out of sheer force of habit from normally having a regular mouse by the side. It doesn’t seem to me like that kind of hand coordination is limited by what your dominant hand is.

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    Lambchops says:

    “I’ve always wanted to be a pianist, and I don’t mean in the ‘man walks into a bar / wishes for a ten inch…’ sense”

    A classic gag.

  26. kael13 says:

    Thanks to this post, I ended up doing a bunch of research into a replacement for my G500 and just bought a Roccat Kone XTD. Can’t wait to try it tomorrow!

  27. CookPassBabtridge says:

    Slightly off topic but:

    2012, in a boardroom in Hollywood:
    CEO: WE NEED TO REBOOT ROBOCOP 1 SO ITS SHIT
    ROOM: OK

  28. Freud says:

    I can’t use normal mice after getting used to a Evoluent vertical mouse. It’s probably not ideal for gaming, but works well enough and to never have any problems with RSI that you get with normal mice makes it worth it.

  29. Noburu says:

    Still using my ancient Logitech mx laser on my desktop, complete with charging station. Ive had it nearly 10 years now and it still works wonderfully and lasts a good week or two on a charge still.

    http://i.imgur.com/8i384Mm.jpg

  30. Kinch says:

    This is a ‘gaming’ mouse that is both 1) wireless, and 2) using the 2.4 channel?

    IMHO, this alone makes it unusable for gaming because of all the interference with the wireless routers and other Wi-Fi equipment you have (or your neighbours, even).

    /endwhine ;)

  31. beauwyselaskie says:

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    try here……. http://goo.gl/iITlPP

  32. TheBlackBandit says:

    I can’t read tech reviews now without thinking of poor Ted Greenbriar.

  33. emma7hh says:

    so good

  34. emma7hh says:

    Google is paying 75$ per hour! Just work for few hours & spend more time with friends and family. Yesterday I bought a top of the range Lancia after having made $9458 this month. Its the most-financialy rewarding I’ve had. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you dont check it out http://ow.ly/rG5pr

  35. sharkh20 says:

    The MX518 format still feels the best to me. For gaming and interneting.

  36. rei says:

    Wait, they’re actually bringing Robocop back?

  37. goettel says:

    Replaced my beat-up G9 with a (20 buck) CM Storm a couple of years ago, and it still looks and feels good as new. Best kept secret for claw grip IMO. And I don’t need the headache of recharging batteries for wireless.

  38. PopeRatzo says:

    There are some great really cheap gaming mice out there. When my Razer Diamondback died, I wasn’t sure what to replace it with and I wanted to take some time to read reviews, etc, but needed a mouse, quick. I ordered some off-brand called a “Tazer” on Amazon, for like $15, and it’s actually quite a bit better than my more expensive mouse. It’s lasted almost a year now, and I can’t believe the quality of this thing. It doesn’t lack any features that the Razer has.

    The only downside is that it’s got bright blue LEDs that stay on even when the computer is turned off. It’s so bright, I use it as a night light. I guess that’s a downside.

    If you’re interested, look up “Tazer gaming mouse” on Amazon and look for the ones with the hundreds of >4 star reviews. There are different models, just look for the ones with the really good reviews.

  39. HidingCat says:

    It’s not going to be popular, but I love my MX1100. It’s the right size, and I love the ridge on the right side where my last two fingers can comfortably rest. There’s that “hyperscroll” wheel that I love, and using AAs means battery management is a lot easier. Oh, and it has plenty of buttons too, without them overcrowding the mouse. I wish Logitech would update that form factor!

  40. sophof says:

    I have a logitech G500 and even though I love me as many mouse buttons as possible, I think that has the maximum. The three thumb buttons are placed sensibly and it is easy to rest your thumb there and press each of them reliably. Any more would be a nightmare. I can already not properly use the horizontal tilt on the scrollwheel.

    I do remap the resolution buttons in games though. I find them really useful for quick access. For instance in dota I use them for two item slots, which is much more convenient than the number keys on the keyboard imo.

    In the end I only buy it for the form factor though, I wish it was still as durable as the mx518. I feel like a drug addict. I know the build quality is shit, but I still have to buy it :(

  41. meepmeep says:

    Sharkoon Fireglider, £20.

    Thank me later.

  42. guygodbois00 says:

    “1500 words. I worry about myself sometimes.” Yes, too few. Give us MOAR words!

  43. wetto says:

    While this review may be from some time ago, I’m a reviewer myself and I found the first picture very fumy, reason why I decided to make a picture based on it too:
    http://img264.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=607856534_hueheuheuhe_122_571lo.jpg

    Anyways, besides that, there’s a lot of lack of information here, it’s more like an overview and first impressions than anything. Nothing about the sensor used, if there’s jitter, the internal build of the mouse (the switches used), the software (which I know you probably don’t use, neither do I, but it’s a review and people want to know about it), analyzing the lower range in comparison to other wireless mice (it works only up to 3 meters, while others can reach up to 10 meters, that’s important information for some people since it may be unusable on certain situations!), the fact that is is far lighter than the G700 if you use only a single battery and almost unusable with two of them…