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Wolfenswan
29-08-2011, 02:46 PM
http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

It says something about the state of female-depiction in media that this stuff exists.

TillEulenspiegel
29-08-2011, 02:54 PM
Look at the poses. Compare them to the typical poses of male warriors, even in fantasy beefcake. Focusing on armor or skin sort of misses the real problem.

Even in a list like this, many of them are depicted in a sexualized/submissive (http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqirb1ipp51r1g5m2o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1314712387&Signature=QOt6tmxZhti8B77yomM%2B6yHHPKg%3D) manner.

Rinox
29-08-2011, 02:59 PM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6550847/female-armor-sucks

ARrrgh right in the shiny part!

Wolfenswan
29-08-2011, 03:04 PM
Look at the poses. Compare them to the typical poses of male warriors, even in fantasy beefcake. Focusing on armor or skin sort of misses the real problem.

Even in a list like this, many of them are depicted in a sexualized/submissive (http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqirb1ipp51r1g5m2o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1314712387&Signature=QOt6tmxZhti8B77yomM%2B6yHHPKg%3D) manner. Though I'd agree that poses do play a major role i don't see any sexualization/submission in that image (as well as in most of the others). I'd argue the artist is depicting a stereotype connected to character traits not to gender.

CMaster
29-08-2011, 03:08 PM
http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

It says something about the state of female-depiction in media that this stuff exists.

A good few of the things picked on there shouldn't be.

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/9262684788/1/tumblr_lqcbghpZiq1r1g5m2

Are your really telling me she can move well in a fight and not say, get her 3rd cape trodden on and yanked to the floor mid battle?

Although it probably is still safer than a chainmail bikini, it has to be said.

Anthile
29-08-2011, 03:14 PM
Are your really telling me she can move well in a fight and not say, get her 3rd cape trodden on and yanked to the floor mid battle?

It's a magic cape.

Nalano
29-08-2011, 03:17 PM
http://warhammervault.ign.com/fms/Image.php?id=997

While it's not particularly feminine or submissive, and it does cover most everything, there is that "STAB HERE PLEASE" bit of cleavage going on.

Rii
29-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I cbf going back far enough to see if they're actually on the list, but the women of The Witcher 2 would qualify. Which is a bit of a problem for the 'sex cards, lol' crowd.

TillEulenspiegel
29-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Though I'd agree that poses do play a major role i don't see any sexualization/submission in that image (as well as in most of the others). I'd argue the artist is depicting a stereotype connected to character traits not to gender.
It's a pretty typical model pose. Not a warrior's pose. Something you'd see on a catwalk rather than a battlefield.

It's all about the male sexual fantasies.

sinister agent
29-08-2011, 04:19 PM
The poses may indeed need work too, but come on, it's a start. It's 2011 and we're still seeing women running around in nothing but a kevlar bra and thong.

Jams O'Donnell
29-08-2011, 04:24 PM
And in the game.

Nalano
29-08-2011, 04:33 PM
The poses may indeed need work too, but come on, it's a start. It's 2011 and we're still seeing women running around in nothing but a kevlar bra and thong.

That's a step up, considering some fighting games' predilection towards women without bras at all. Bouncy bouncy.

Drake Sigar
29-08-2011, 05:35 PM
But that’s because the breasts are so large, there isn’t a bra in any fictional universe that can hold them.

8-bit
29-08-2011, 06:42 PM
and even if there was a bra that could the game would have destructible clothing. and yes I am aware that that is a real feature in a popular fighting game series. should the game developers be criticized for putting that crap in their games, or are we as much to blame for encouraging it by buying them?

this isn't really about the armour but its the same general point anyway, imo the T&A shot that you see with almost every single woman on a poster should be banned. it makes me do a sad face when I think that even poor Jade from beyond good and evil couldn't escape that indignity.

Lukasz
29-08-2011, 07:00 PM
A good few of the things picked on there shouldn't be.

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/9262684788/1/tumblr_lqcbghpZiq1r1g5m2

Are your really telling me she can move well in a fight and not say, get her 3rd cape trodden on and yanked to the floor mid battle?

Although it probably is still safer than a chainmail bikini, it has to be said.

that's completely different problem. most male armours, magic robes and even standard fantasy clothing are impractical at best and lethal at worst in combat or outside situation.

i abhor cleavage where it should not be visible. hate catwomen design in Arkham City because of that.

Coins
29-08-2011, 10:08 PM
Well, the Rule of Cool applies with most of the armours in games, female or otherwise.

sinister agent
29-08-2011, 10:46 PM
this isn't really about the armour but its the same general point anyway, imo the T&A shot that you see with almost every single woman on a poster should be banned. it makes me do a sad face when I think that even poor Jade from beyond good and evil couldn't escape that indignity.

See also: Women being introduced to the scene arse-first. It's massively prevalent in films, more so than games even, but still. Needs to fucking die.

Jockie
30-08-2011, 05:59 PM
Reminds me of this (http://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/league-of-legends-so-much-character-design-fail/) article that has a bit of a go at the League of Legends characer design on the grounds of its depiction of women. Can't remember if I was linked to this by someone on RPS or through twitter.

Jorum
30-08-2011, 09:35 PM
http://warhammervault.ign.com/fms/Image.php?id=997

While it's not particularly feminine or submissive, and it does cover most everything, there is that "STAB HERE PLEASE" bit of cleavage going on.

You could argue that as she's a dark elf, it's kind of deliberate (on her part).

Nalano
30-08-2011, 10:53 PM
You could argue that as she's a dark elf, it's kind of deliberate (on her part).

I loved that game - great for OTT RPers. Greenskins got to be e-hooligans, dark elves got to be all haughty (and greenskins would refer to them mainly as twigs); You have one side as the Spanish Inquisition meets the Third Reich, and the other side was just plain crazy. Plus, as a female DoK, not only was I covered completely, but there was very little physical difference between my stance and physical stature from an equally-geared male DoK.

Fun times. Right up until raiding started and everything turned instanced. Then it started sucking.

Donjo
31-08-2011, 01:25 AM
Though not sporting a particularly submissive pose the Barbarian wasn't well clad for dungeon combat.
http://images.wikia.com/heroquest/images/1/16/Barbarian-small.gif
Edit: Now that I look at it though, he is well placed for a Viz "up the arse corner" photoshop

sinister agent
31-08-2011, 03:18 AM
That's barbarians all over though, surely. Too macho/primitive/superstitious/FABULOUS for pansy plates.

QuantaCat
31-08-2011, 10:15 AM
Are your really telling me she can move well in a fight and not say, get her 3rd cape trodden on and yanked to the floor mid battle?

Although it probably is still safer than a chainmail bikini, it has to be said.

I dont think Samurai look that more different than she does.

EDIT: also, the only "realistic" armour, would be unisex. Because armour made for queens or other nobles, rarely have to hold out in battle.