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westyfield
30-08-2011, 06:59 PM
Smartphones, eh? They seem nice.
What would you guys recommend? Ideally I'd like one with a half-decent camera, as my lack of a dedicated camera and the poor camera on my current phone (a Motorola SLVR, if you remember those) mean that I often end up in conversations like this:
Me: "... it was amazing."
Them: "Did you get a picture?"
Me: "No, I haven't got a camera."
Them: "What about on your phone?"
Me: *shows them my phone*
Them: *slowly backs away in disgust*

Suggestions would be most appreciated, thanks.

CMaster
30-08-2011, 07:44 PM
Have you used (even briefly) anyone else's Android/iOS/Blackberry/Windows Phone based device? Which (if any) did you immediatley get along well with? How much moneyz do you have?

airtekh
30-08-2011, 08:40 PM
The only smartphone that I know about is the one I own, a Samsung Galaxy Europa (Galaxy 5 in the US) running Android.

It's a decent enough phone for me, but unfortunately its camera is very average so I wouldn't recommend it if you want a good camera.

However, I hear that the Samsung Galaxy S (or Galaxy S2) is pretty good and has a very good camera. It's a bit pricey though.

Kadayi
30-08-2011, 09:00 PM
I don't have a smart phone myself but I have been thinking of one and a tech friend of mine (it's his job) really rates the HTC Desire S, or Sensation. Pricy, but good all rounders apparently.

westyfield
30-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Have you used (even briefly) anyone else's Android/iOS/Blackberry/Windows Phone based device? Which (if any) did you immediatley get along well with? How much moneyz do you have?

I've used an iPhone 4, 3GS and HTC Desire a few times, and they all felt good to me. I've also used a friend's Samsung (not sure which type - possibly a Wave), and the touchscreen was awful - I had to press very hard to get any response. I'm not very keen on iOS, I've heard that it can be quite limiting, but then Android may be exactly the same for all I know.

Money-wise, I'm not sure how much I can afford to spend - at the moment I'm still at the 'are there any smartphones that are worth my time' stage, rather than the 'I want to buy a smartphone now' stage.

imirk
30-08-2011, 09:07 PM
Internets and google maps everywhere are deffinately worth my time, camera I couldn't care less about, you might think about buying used or factory refurbished if you can get a good deal.

Rii
30-08-2011, 09:16 PM
Windows Phone 7 apparently allows one to do away with manufacturer/carrier/vendor-installed crud without rooting the phone as is required for Android-based phones. It's a factor I'll be considering for my next purchase a year or two down the track. The first Mango (7.5) phones should be hitting the streets shortly.

Christian
01-09-2011, 12:39 PM
I've been using a Motorola Defy for a few months now and must say: great phone.
It's not too large (which most phones these days seem to be) and fits comfortably in a jeans pocket.
It's fairly quick and has a nice touchscreen.
It's waterproof (proven by putting it in a full glass of water and sinking it in a lake)
Battery is fine, with average usage (a bit surfing, a bit music, email push, some apps, some games, 20 sms, and about half an hour talking) it lasts about 30-something hours. Which is quite ok for a smartphone I guess.
Also, it's not that expensive, I paid about 230 € for it. And Motorola's support (at least here in Germany) is great and uncomplicated.

And the best thing: you can easily install CyanogenMod 7, which makes the phone a lot more enjoyable.
I've recommended this to two friends already, both are still happy.

Jams O'Donnell
01-09-2011, 01:29 PM
I am interested in this thread too -- I'm thinking of getting a new phone, but because I so rarely use my current phone (maybe twice in the past year), I don't want to break the bank. I'd like to keep the contract price under 20/mo (and as close to 10/mo as possible). Also, since I use Virgin at home, it'd be nice to get a phone on a Virgin plan since that lets me phone home for free. I'd also like to use Android, so that limits me to:

HTC Desire S
HTC Wildfire S
Samsung Galaxy ACE (which is about to be banned in parts of the EU because of a patent dispute anyway)

Of the three, the Desire is the best, but also the most expensive. The Wildfire is totally in the right price range, but a bit on the pants side. I do not know what to do!

Doodier
01-09-2011, 01:55 PM
Jams O'Donnell: I am owner of Galaxy ACE and I would NOT reccomend it to anyone. Its battery capacity is rather low (max 2 days if you use it), it is slow, sometimes it freezes (this may be problem of the Android version - it has 2.2 in my region) and the storage capacity is only 150 MB in the phone (you can upgrade via SD cards, but some applications require installation into phone).

corbain
01-09-2011, 04:04 PM
I am interested in this thread too -- I'm thinking of getting a new phone, but because I so rarely use my current phone (maybe twice in the past year), I don't want to break the bank. I'd like to keep the contract price under 20/mo (and as close to 10/mo as possible). Also, since I use Virgin at home, it'd be nice to get a phone on a Virgin plan since that lets me phone home for free. I'd also like to use Android, so that limits me to:

HTC Desire S
HTC Wildfire S
Samsung Galaxy ACE (which is about to be banned in parts of the EU because of a patent dispute anyway)

Of the three, the Desire is the best, but also the most expensive. The Wildfire is totally in the right price range, but a bit on the pants side. I do not know what to do!

The Wildfire will be cheaper with any carrier then the Desire. If you're limiting yourself to Virgin, best bet would be to call them up and say you're leaving them unless they can do the wildfire for 10 a month. Make sure you speaking with a customer retention person. Be prepared to haggle. Be familiar with what other carriers are offering the Wildfire for, and be prepared to quote specific examples.

My mate recently managed to haggle Vodafone to give him a Desire S with 500mb data 600 anytime minutes and unlimited SMS for under 20/month, but only because he was a long term customer and threatened to leave. Told the person 02 were doing it for 20 with a cashback offer, and the person promptly said they would match it on an 18 month contract.

GraveyardJimmy
01-09-2011, 04:32 PM
My mate recently managed to haggle Vodafone to give him a Desire S with 500mb data 600 anytime minutes and unlimited SMS for under 20/month, but only because he was a long term customer and threatened to leave. Told the person 02 were doing it for 20 with a cashback offer, and the person promptly said they would match it on an 18 month contract.

Yeah, best bet is to phone them up if you are a long term customer. I got a wildfire with 1000 minutes (plus 2000 minutes to any 3 phone), 3Gb mobile internet and 5000 texts for 13 on an 18 month contract. They knocked it down due to a long customer discount and changed the phone and length of the contract, so if you can get them to talk to their supervisor you can sometimes get a great deal.

As for the wildfire, like all smartphones it is a battery drain and the wildfire is a little sluggish at times due to having a slower processor.

sonaul
16-09-2011, 03:37 AM
Smartphones really are the thing now and I would see that to be somewhat a norm in the coming years in the mobile industry.

Though I am not seeing that all manufacturers take that obvious route, they will still have their own market for those types of phones.

I am using an htc desire hd and I really am good with it. It really has a lot of power under it. And with that big screen, it's as if you have a good view at everything.

DeathPig
28-05-2012, 05:47 PM
Thread hijack++

I'm thinking about getting a new phone, as I've been using an ancient Nokia 6300 for like 4-5 years now. While it's shiny on the outside, it's gotten to a point where all calls have network errors/connection errors/the like. Also, the phone supports 2 GB on microSD, and has awful battery life even after replacement.

I'm checking out the new Galaxy Ace+, HTC One V, and the Sony Xperia U.

I'm personally inclined to go for the HTC, but I'm all ears for opinions. I've been doing some google searches on these, but these don't throw up very satisfactory results, as the phones are new, and the professional reviews then to be overbearing, comparing the phones to the best in the series. I mean, what's the point in comparing the V to the One X, which is around double it's price?...

So, help me choose. Also I'm not really enthusiastic about going over these phones' budget, as I'm not enthusiastic about shelling out exuberant amounts of money for a phone. And please, no Nokias, too much experience with one.

Thanks.

CuriousOrange
28-05-2012, 06:29 PM
Definitely check out Windows Phone 7 devices. Since owning one I could never go back to Android for my phone. Recently made the choice to buy an Android tablet actually, and it's pretty damned horrific because of the OS (Galaxy Tab 2 7.0), will certainly be ebaying it for a Windows 8 device once it's out. The Tab is far more powerful than my phone, has a really nice feel to it. But runs like shite, far worse than the phone does simply because of Android. Was very sad to hear you can't install Windows 8 on a tablet yourself over the top of Android.

The Nokias have pretty good cameras, but you won't find one that matches an Android or iOS one. But the device itself is so much nicer to use, you may not be able to go back like me. While you say no Nokias, the Windows Phones are like no Nokia you've used before. If not, check out an HTC WP if you insist. Though personally I've found HTCs to have poor build quality and they have always underperformed for me.

Ravelle
28-05-2012, 07:11 PM
I have the HTC Sensation and am still more than satisfied with it.

Also if you're looking for a provider contract/phone combo, browse around several websites that offer contract deals.

Kamikaze-X
28-05-2012, 07:49 PM
the Galaxy S3 comes out tomorrow/wednesday.

do not buy anything until you have had a go with one. they are amazeballs.

Wheelz
29-05-2012, 01:57 AM
I don't think having experience with Nokias should be a bad thing, they're very reliable which makes them a pretty good investment. I'm currently using a Nokia N9, which runs on its own open-source Linux OS called Meego. It's a pretty solid phone with a nice UI, the major drawbacks are that I don't think the OS is going to be supported by Nokia for too much longer, and due to the obscure nature of the OS their arn't too many apps for it (the main ones, facebook, twitter, maps etc come stock) which might be a problem.

DeathPig
29-05-2012, 02:58 AM
Definitely check out Windows Phone 7 devices. Since owning one I could never go back to Android for my phone. Recently made the choice to buy an Android tablet actually, and it's pretty damned horrific because of the OS (Galaxy Tab 2 7.0), will certainly be ebaying it for a Windows 8 device once it's out. The Tab is far more powerful than my phone, has a really nice feel to it. But runs like shite, far worse than the phone does simply because of Android. Was very sad to hear you can't install Windows 8 on a tablet yourself over the top of Android.

The Nokias have pretty good cameras, but you won't find one that matches an Android or iOS one. But the device itself is so much nicer to use, you may not be able to go back like me. While you say no Nokias, the Windows Phones are like no Nokia you've used before. If not, check out an HTC WP if you insist. Though personally I've found HTCs to have poor build quality and they have always underperformed for me.

I see. What I checked out was the Nokia X6. It was not really breathtaking, and the design seemed clunky in my hands. Also, the touch was not really on par with other manufacturers. And what HTC phone did you use by the way, the Wildfire?

Is the Windows OS restricting like Apples'? I really don't like the direction Microsoft have moved towards with Windows 8. Somehow, the view of the Matrix UI gets my blood surging. Anyway, is the phone really restrictive, and all apps paid for. Is there a develeoper base for it, as I am not aware Windows released any kits for developers to start working on apps....



I have the HTC Sensation and am still more than satisfied with it.

Also if you're looking for a provider contract/phone combo, browse around several websites that offer contract deals.

Exactly the phone which made me go for HTC. My friend owns one, and it's just amazing. I just low the unibody design too, where nothing seems out of the place. And it's pocket friendly too, unlike some releases.

the Galaxy S3 comes out tomorrow/wednesday.

do not buy anything until you have had a go with one. they are amazeballs.

Too expensive. I need to get a phone, and a new video card, as both are running on their last vestiges of their life right now. So no, not the S3, which will cost like 2X the phones I've shortlisted. But I am aware the phone is pretty good. You can't miss those huge "designed for humans" hoardings all around town.


I don't think having experience with Nokias should be a bad thing, they're very reliable which makes them a pretty good investment. I'm currently using a Nokia N9, which runs on its own open-source Linux OS called Meego. It's a pretty solid phone with a nice UI, the major drawbacks are that I don't think the OS is going to be supported by Nokia for too much longer, and due to the obscure nature of the OS their arn't too many apps for it (the main ones, facebook, twitter, maps etc come stock) which might be a problem.

The lack of support for Nokia is disconcerting, at least over here. They are not really popular, and I haven't seen any Luminas either. How ever, I'll try the X9 a trial, seeing as it's Linux.

westyfield
29-05-2012, 03:29 AM
I have the HTC Sensation and am still more than satisfied with it.


Exactly the phone which made me go for HTC. My friend owns one, and it's just amazing. I just low the unibody design too, where nothing seems out of the place. And it's pocket friendly too, unlike some releases.

I've got an HTC Sensation as well, it's a lovely phone. Not too huge, and it looks fantastic. Definitely recommended.

soldant
29-05-2012, 04:03 AM
Is there a develeoper base for it, as I am not aware Windows released any kits for developers to start working on apps....
The apps sector is ultimately what leaves Windows Phone 7 dead in the water. There's bugger all out there compared to Android, which is still behind compared to that monster iOS App Store. This thread was started in August last year, and since then nothing's changed. Unless you're really happy with what a WP7 phone comes with out of the box, it's not worth it.

If you want an open platform, go Android. I went from an iPhone 4 to a Galaxy Note (caution: not recommending the Note in this instance) and by and large find it to be the better platform. That said at least Apple have a rule about no carrier bloat; I wish Samsung and company would stop dropping their bloat on devices, particularly with ICS devices when the default launcher is a lot nicer than friggin' TouchWiz.

Rii
29-05-2012, 05:19 AM
Is the Windows OS restricting like Apples'? I really don't like the direction Microsoft have moved towards with Windows 8. Somehow, the view of the Matrix UI gets my blood surging. Anyway, is the phone really restrictive, and all apps paid for. Is there a develeoper base for it, as I am not aware Windows released any kits for developers to start working on apps....

if you don't like Metro then I don't see why you would even consider a Windows Phone. That said, I also don't see why one wouldn't like Metro. When coupled with the general slickness of the OS it makes iOS and Android seem bloated and archaic to my eyes. It's pretty hilarious to see MS winning on design elegance and efficiency given their well-earned reputation, but there you have it.

As for restrictions, like iOS there's no Flash or access to the underlying file system. In my experience the former is only an issue for porn, but the latter makes my life harder than it needs to be given that I no longer have a PC of my own for regular access to the Zune software (which seems decent enough and certainly preferable to iTunes) to shift media on and off. Docs/PDFs/etc. I handle via Skydrive which is integrated into the phone's MS Office suite. With future editions of Windows Phone switching to the Windows 8 kernel perhaps file system access will open up there too?

In terms of apps my tastes are austere, but I've had no difficulty finding free apps that accomplish what I need them to accomplish. The only exception is Youtube -- Google doesn't provide a full-featured app for obvious reasons, and Microsoft's 'app' is just a glorified link to the mobile site. There's a third-party Youtube app that features full kitchen-sink functionality (including saving clips to local storage) but it's so ugly and cluttered and out of sync with the general elegance of the OS that I actually prefer to stick with MS' 'solution'.

Nokia provides a pretty full featured app suite (Drive/Maps/Music/Reading/Transport ... and some other stuff that I don't have and can't recall off the top of my head) for their Windows Phones (i.e. the only ones worth considering) and they are of high quality. The 'mix radio' feature in Nokia Music is particularly noteworthy as it allows you to download any number of free mixes via wi-fi for offline use later.

I have the Lumia 800. It's a very solid phone that feels great in the hand with some unique aesthetics that are obviously a matter of personal preference. It's not a perfect device in that it's lacking some of the features of the latest and greatest (some of which -- such as the lack of NFC and a front-facing camera --) ties back to the tightly controlled Windows Phone spec guidelines, and others which can be traced back to the fact that the phone is a very quick turn-around following Nokia's alliance with MS, it's basically new phone guts shoved into the casing of the N9 -- a phenomenal phone in its own right but alas dead in the water in the modern era -- which has made for some inefficiencies, such as the relatively large bezel.

So, overall verdict: solid, unique device coupled with solid, unique OS. Whether it's worth a close look or not depends upon whether what's unique about the platform appeals to you or not. But these are early days for the partnership between Nokia and Microsoft and going by what they've managed to deliver with the first generation of devices under less-than-ideal conditions, I'm very interested to see what they come up with next.

FYI for all that the Lumia 800/900 are the flagships for Windows Phone in the west, and the transition to the Windows 8/WindowsRT kernel the focus of MS' development efforts, much of their attention at the moment is actually on the low-end: Windows Phone 7.6 (Tango) is focused on improving performance on phones with a mere 256MB of RAM, and most of the marketing dollars are going to India and China.

Sketch
29-05-2012, 05:40 AM
If you end up getting an iPhone, I must insist you jailbreak it, it'll take your phone from being one of the most restricted, to one of the most open platforms there is. When I first did it I was astounded by the home brew and other just fantastic things you can do. I mean my phone is also a gameboy! But it can be practical too, you can access the phones sub systems and crest wifi hotspots and the like. And if you don't like the look of iOS you can customise until your heart's content, you can even make it look just like a Windows 7 phone.
I don't mean to sound like an advert, but really is great.

DeathPig
29-05-2012, 06:55 AM
I already own an iPod, and it is already jailbroken. Therefore, I'm not really inclined to experience "the most advanced OS" all over again.

As for Rii, thank you. I found your post really informative. I went and tried out the Lumina, and I'm frankly surprised. I expected to see delays, hangs, and whatnot. But the phone I sampled performed beautifully. It had some issues with the browser, though the sales person told me it would clear up when using a brand new phone. Bit I did feel the phone is thick, and the shape to be somewhat awkward, when comparing it to the other phones. Liked it overall though. However, that said, I think I will opt for Android in the end, because, like I said, I do not like the Metro interface at all, and also, the Lumina is expensive.


iOS is definitely out of the question, as I don't really want two devices running the same OS, with the exception that one has the functionality of a phone, wifi hotspot, etc. while the other does not. And also, the 4S is obscenely overpriced over here. The Galaxy Note,S3 and its' contemporaries the HTC One X, and Sony Xperia S, go for like 30k-37k INR (Indian Rupees), the Lumina costs 30k, while the 4S costs a whopping 45k. Which is around 820$ for the 16 GB version. And that is without contract. If I'm not wrong, the iPhone starts from 200$ in the US without contract. So you can see it is way out of my means. Also, I'm pretty sure it's not worth getting a phone which is priced more than your average desktop, because that is just plain stupid.

On the other hand the One V goes for like 16-17k depending on where you buy it from. Plus decent video cards cost around 15-20K. And because I have to buy both, AND have something remaining in my account, the phones you guys said are out of bounds for me.

And @Rii, you're right. But the low end Windows phones, though cheaper, have appalling performance ratings when compared to others in their class.


So it looks like I'll have to opt for the phones I short listed. Now I just have to find one in the three, with lesser evils.

Thanks guys, you helped alot.

Rii
29-05-2012, 08:19 AM
As for Rii, thank you. I found your post really informative. I went and tried out the Lumina, and I'm frankly surprised. I expected to see delays, hangs, and whatnot. But the phone I sampled performed beautifully. It had some issues with the browser, though the sales person told me it would clear up when using a brand new phone.

Yeah. I haven't had any issues with the browser -- I mean, it crashes once in a blue moon, but then so does every other browser I've ever used. Like Android's (recent or forthcoming, I can't remember) integration of the Chrome browser, I suspect that the future integration of the Windows Phone with the broader Windows ecosystem will bring benefits in this respect.


Bit I did feel the phone is thick, and the shape to be somewhat awkward, when comparing it to the other phones. Liked it overall though.

It is a bit thicker than most phones these days, and yeah the shape and overall construction is rather unique. I personally find it very comfortable to hold, but I do wish there was some kind of payoff for the extra thickness and bezel, such as a wider feature set (the N9 had a front-facing camera and NFC!) or larger battery or screen (3.9-4 inches) in the same size shell. Or even just a lower price given that the Lumia 800/900 get away with a single-core CPU and 512MB RAM whereas comparable Android phones are sporting at least dual cores and 1GB RAM. The bezel/screen ratio on the Lumia 800 isn't awful, probably better than the iPhone 4S, but lags noticeably behind the latest generation of Android phones. But yeah, those things are a result of the factors I noted above: the (now borderline outdated, at least for high-end devices) specs MS fixed for Windows Phone 7/7.5 devices and Nokia re-using the N9 design to get such a quick turn-around after entering into the partnership with Microsoft. Incidentally the Lumia 900 is better in this respect: less bezel, thinner, and a couple other minor refinements such as improved USB/SIM access.

If I were buying a phone today I think the Sony Xperia S would be close to the top of my list, but I'm glad for the opportunity to sample the Windows Phone platform and look forward to seeing where MS and Nokia go next.


And @Rii, you're right. But the low end Windows phones, though cheaper, have appalling performance ratings when compared to others in their class.

Hah, I didn't notice that you're from India. And yeah, that's why for 7.6 they're focused on improving performance on lower-spec hardware. Apparently they've had to make a few sacrifices to get there, such as a reduction in the number of "live agents" which affects multi-tasking and live tile capabilities, but it sounds like they've made some real improvements too. Not sure how much the release is going to bring for higher end phones like the Lumia 800/900 tho...

Kamikaze-X
29-05-2012, 08:20 AM
Too expensive. I need to get a phone, and a new video card, as both are running on their last vestiges of their life right now. So no, not the S3, which will cost like 2X the phones I've shortlisted. But I am aware the phone is pretty good. You can't miss those huge "designed for humans" hoardings all around town.





(ignore me, didn't realise you weren't in the UK)

djbriandamage
29-05-2012, 07:47 PM
If a nice camera is your top priority you will be disappointed by Android and iPhone alike. Megapixels aside (some phones have 12 megapixel cameras), the lenses are poor and there is often an interminable delay between you thinking you'd like to take a picture and the picture actually being taken. If you are used to SLR cameras I don't think you'll find a phone camera you will be pleased with.

My Samsung Galaxy Nexus does a good job of taking photos the moment I press the shutter button because the camera app takes constant video and simply grabs a frame when you press the button. Some Windows Phone 7 models have a dedicated hardware button for taking pictures which saves valuable seconds. The new Blackberry OS takes 10-odd pictures with each button press and allows you to save the most flattering one, or even superimpose a face from one of the consecutive frames onto the body of another. iPhone probably has the highest quality cameras. All phones have a lousy flash, if any, which will turn your photos yellow and sickly.

Weigh your priorities and try before you buy. Your best bet might be an internet-enabled camera - it's less portable but will guarantee image quality.

Smashbox
29-05-2012, 09:48 PM
For what it's worth, Wired just ran a big camera review special (not online, sadly) that placed the iPhone camera on the top of the (phonecam) heap.

Rii
29-05-2012, 09:58 PM
I find it difficult to believe that anything other than Nokia's 808 Pureview with its 41 megapixel camera is on top of the heap in the picture taking department. I know that pixels aren't everything, but 41 million of them are certainly something. And in deference to male measurement throughout the ages, the bit-wot-takes-the-pictures is bloody huge (http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/nokia-announces-808-pureview-belle-os-4-inch-display-41-megap). So I think that settles it.

EDIT: Apparently it does indeed take the pictures real good (http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/nokia-808-pureview-impressions-camera-showdown).

Smashbox
29-05-2012, 10:07 PM
Just posting what I read this afternoon.

Rii
29-05-2012, 10:22 PM
Well I hope you've learned your lesson: never read stuff.

sabrage
30-05-2012, 01:53 AM
I have a Galaxy S II. I think it takes rather lovely (http://imgur.com/d5zPk) pictures. I don't see much reason to buy the Galaxy Nexus unless those extra pixels are really important to you.

DeathPig
30-05-2012, 06:14 AM
Not really. I already own a decent camera, and I rarely use my on-phone camera either. It's just for one of those times when I don't have a camera with me, and something awesome is going on. Otherwise I'm cool.

Right now, nearly decided on the HTC One V. Of the three, the performance stats are better in this one. And it comes with ICS loaded on it by default, so no pesky upgrading.

Any thing I should look out for when using these new models? Like Anti-virus? Browsers? Tools? I don't use my iPod much, it's just for games,music, and books.

djbriandamage
30-05-2012, 03:03 PM
What do you plan to use your phone for? If you're anything like me you probably won't be prepared to answer this question until you already own one, but you probably will never need your iPod again once you have a smartphone. I listen to music on mine and play games, but what surprised the heck out of me is that I've read 8 books on my phone! Reading is comfortable thanks to my Samsung Galaxy Nexus' large (4.65"), high resolution (720x1280) screen, though my next phone might be an even larger one like the Galaxy Note.

Don't worry about apps because almost everything works on ICS regardless of phone model. If you don't know what you want yet I'd look at the specs for each phone (size, battery, reviews, and google the phone name plus the word "sucks" to see what comes up) and see what accessories are available (cases, stands, Hello Kitty rhinestones, etc).

Also be advised that ICS is reliant on the GPU as much as the CPU so don't be scared off by phones with slower processor speeds. In the ICS developer preferences is an option to accelerate 2D applications with the 3D GPU which will either give you screamingly fast performance or will break the app entirely, but this can be toggled easily.

Try before you buy!! These things are expensive and you don't want to regret your purchase! Try to visit a store with many models on display. HTC is a very reputable manufacturer so you will probably be happy with the one you're considering.

I'm excited for you! :) I was ambivalent when I bought my first smartphone and was very surprised at how much I adored the thing. It's like having a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your pocket!

Heliocentric
30-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Mini hijack-
Anyone know if the HTC ChaCha is any good? It's the only android with qwerty I can get with my upgrade.

DeathPig
30-05-2012, 03:50 PM
What do you plan to use your phone for? If you're anything like me you probably won't be prepared to answer this question until you already own one, but you probably will never need your iPod again once you have a smartphone. I listen to music on mine and play games, but what surprised the heck out of me is that I've read 8 books on my phone! Reading is comfortable thanks to my Samsung Galaxy Nexus' large (4.65"), high resolution (720x1280) screen, though my next phone might be an even larger one like the Galaxy Note.

Don't worry about apps because almost everything works on ICS regardless of phone model. If you don't know what you want yet I'd look at the specs for each phone (size, battery, reviews, and google the phone name plus the word "sucks" to see what comes up) and see what accessories are available (cases, stands, Hello Kitty rhinestones, etc).

Also be advised that ICS is reliant on the GPU as much as the CPU so don't be scared off by phones with slower processor speeds. In the ICS developer preferences is an option to accelerate 2D applications with the 3D GPU which will either give you screamingly fast performance or will break the app entirely, but this can be toggled easily.

Try before you buy!! These things are expensive and you don't want to regret your purchase! Try to visit a store with many models on display. HTC is a very reputable manufacturer so you will probably be happy with the one you're considering.

I'm excited for you! :) I was ambivalent when I bought my first smartphone and was very surprised at how much I adored the thing. It's like having a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your pocket!

I see. So I need not worry about older apps for Android 2.3 or so, not working on ICS? That's a relief, because I've already shortlisted some must use apps. Also, I really don't want to use my iPod that much. I'm pretty sure it's screen has a problem.

It started when I played Infinity Blade II for like 5 hours straight, the Pod on a charger. And at the end of this session, apart from weird short sightedness, I noticed a small red line from the middle of my iPod to the exact centre of the rectangular screen. And this kind of flickered.

Also, when witching the Pod off and on really quickly, the screen has an odd sort of flicker all over it, making it unusable. Otherwise it's all good. I can use it for everything, just have to take care not to use it for like 3 hours straight with the screen on.

That's why I'm choosing HTC. From my research on the net, I've come to a conclusion that their phones are a bit sturdier, and build quality is better.

Also the One V has 512 MB or RAM, 1 GHz Snap-Dragon and Adreno 220 GPU. Not really worried about the games the phone can support. I just want to know, if I can use a 16GB, or 32 GB memory card on the phone without it slowing down horribly. And approximately 8 GB will be apps, the rest will be music, storage, and the occasional high-res porn flick. Will this affect performance in a huge way, making me stick to 2 or three 8 GB cards, or should I go ahead with a 16 GB when I buy it? Just asking now because I'll get a discount on the card, maybe even free, if I get it with the phone.

And even though you don't know, as the Nexus has a plastic body, should I get a cover for it? It has a brushed aluminium body, so I'm not really sure it'll get scratched. And because it has Corning Gorilla glass, I don't need any screen protectors either..or do I?

Sorry about the mediocre queries, but just want to be on the safe side.


Mini hijack-
Anyone know if the HTC ChaCha is any good? It's the only android with qwerty I can get with my upgrade.


I tried it along with the One V. Did not go in-depth as I just wanted to try out the One V and the One X.

From my enlightening 2-3 minute use, I felt it was kind of weird. It'll be better if you go for a full touch screen model around the same price range, as there are many available. The phone is not really that good looking, and felt kind of clunky. But it's just my opinion, and you should go try it out on your own before you come to any conclusions.
Although the salesman did say that it was one of the less popular models.

Imho, instead of ChaCha, you should just get a BlackBerry.

djbriandamage
30-05-2012, 06:28 PM
I see. So I need not worry about older apps for Android 2.3 or so, not working on ICS? That's a relief, because I've already shortlisted some must use apps. Also, I really don't want to use my iPod that much. I'm pretty sure it's screen has a problem.

Compatibility is MOSTLY good in this case. Some apps don't work on newer or older versions of the OS than intended, and the unfortunate fact is that ICS is only used by about 5% of Android devices right now so it's not considered the compatibility benchmark.


That's why I'm choosing HTC. From my research on the net, I've come to a conclusion that their phones are a bit sturdier, and build quality is better.

I've heard the same, and can confirm that my Galaxy Nexus feels light and a little cheap due to it being all plastic, though it's proven to be sturdy enough.


Also the One V has 512 MB or RAM, 1 GHz Snap-Dragon and Adreno 220 GPU. Not really worried about the games the phone can support. I just want to know, if I can use a 16GB, or 32 GB memory card on the phone without it slowing down horribly. And approximately 8 GB will be apps, the rest will be music, storage, and the occasional high-res porn flick. Will this affect performance in a huge way, making me stick to 2 or three 8 GB cards, or should I go ahead with a 16 GB when I buy it? Just asking now because I'll get a discount on the card, maybe even free, if I get it with the phone.

To my knowledge an SD card won't slow you down whatsoever, unless you move your apps to run off the SD card. A requirement of the Android OS is that system apps and onscreen widgets must be installed on the onboard memory to ensure quick boot times. I don't think the presence or size of an SD card will affect your performance in any way.


And even though you don't know, as the Nexus has a plastic body, should I get a cover for it? It has a brushed aluminium body, so I'm not really sure it'll get scratched. And because it has Corning Gorilla glass, I don't need any screen protectors either..or do I?

I got this $35 case from Otter Box (http://www.otterbox.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-cases/samsung-galaxy-nexus-cases,default,sc.html) which is very sturdy but a little bit bulky and heavy. It came with a screen protector but I don't feel I need one with such a rugged case.


Sorry about the mediocre queries, but just want to be on the safe side.

Ask away! Better to have too much info than too little.

Chaz
30-05-2012, 06:31 PM
Best cheap smart phone available in the UK currently is the Huawei G300, currently runs Android 2.3.6 but will be upgradable to ICS when Huawei gets around to releasing a build of it. Spec wise it's as good as the phones that were top of the range last year.

1Ghz Processor
2.5Gb built in memory
4" Gorilla Glass screen
Up to 32Gb SD card slot.
Easily unlocked and rooted.
Starting to gather good community support.

And the price, a mere 100 on Vodafone PAYG. It's a good solid hefty build too.

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/huawei-ascend-g300

http://www.modaco.com/forum/650-huawei-ascend-g300-g300modacocom/

DeathPig
28-06-2012, 02:25 AM
Mighty bump.

Ordered the One V, and it's on the way. Thx guyz.

And btw, are all Andriod apps this small? Anything I've seen has not gone over 10 MB, and some of them dominate the <1MB realm. Or are these just apps for some smaller phones like the Galaxy Y, which have low resolutions?

Doodier
28-06-2012, 12:33 PM
Yup, they are that small. The biggest one on my phone is Facebook (14,4MB), another one is Endomondo (7MB) and Google Play (6ish).

djbriandamage
28-06-2012, 04:16 PM
And btw, are all Andriod apps this small? Anything I've seen has not gone over 10 MB, and some of them dominate the <1MB realm. Or are these just apps for some smaller phones like the Galaxy Y, which have low resolutions?

Grats on the purchase!

Yes, most apps are 20MB or smaller. Some games (like GTA3 and Max Payne) are nearly 2GB but most apps are astonishingly small. Even some fully 3D, surprisingly gorgeous mobile MMOs are only 100MB or so.

Timofee
05-07-2012, 04:44 PM
Time for further thread hijack

Anybody got any suggestions on phones with a 'proper' non-touchscreen keyboard?

I use a blackberry for work and it works a charm for sending emails, but I think the screen is a bit small for a what I'd like in a personal phone.

Main things for me are
- proper keyboard, not touchscreen (we don't get on - they ignore me no matter how roughly or lovingly I caress them)
- largish screen
- usage of google maps

I couldn't care less about
- camera
- apps in general, although I'd like to play the occasional game now and then
- cost
- I should add further to the above, I'm not averse to touchscreen entirely, just for the keyboard.

Anyone know of such a device? I suspect nothing exists but I'm hoping someone will prove me wrong

FriendlyFire
05-07-2012, 05:21 PM
I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I was also averse to on-screen keyboard initially. Then I started using Swype.

It might sound like a bad advert, but I have to say Swype's (or other similar competitors like SlideIT) method of input makes it amazingly good to write on a touchscreen. It's also free (in beta) so it's worth a shot.

Otherwise, I'm afraid keyboards are going the way of the dodo. There are a few smartphones with them, but they're far from flagship phones. You might instead want to look into "keyboard cases", for a lack of a better term. They're usually Bluetooth keyboards that attach to a phone as a case and thus provide both protection and a built-in keyboard at the expense of more weight and a larger size. The bonus is obviously that you can remove the keyboard if you don't want it anymore.

I've never really been on the market for one, so I wouldn't be able to give you tips as to which is good, but you could look for what phones have such cases and make your choice from that. It's either that or going for an older phone like the original Moto Droid which had a built-in keyboard.

TillEulenspiegel
05-07-2012, 08:31 PM
It's either that or going for an older phone like the original Moto Droid which had a built-in keyboard.
Don't bother, the Droid's keyboard is crap.

But a quick search turned up a list of new Android phones with QWERTY keyboards:

http://www.androidauthority.com/best-keyboard-qwerty-android-phones-2012-55315/

I can't tell you anything specific about them, but brand-wise I'd lean towards Samsung. They made the last two Nexus phones, which are excellent (but lacking keyboards).

djbriandamage
05-07-2012, 08:32 PM
I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I was also averse to on-screen keyboard initially. Then I started using Swype.

It might sound like a bad advert, but I have to say Swype's (or other similar competitors like SlideIT) method of input makes it amazingly good to write on a touchscreen. It's also free (in beta) so it's worth a shot.

Swype is BRILLIANT. Been using it nearly a year and I can't do without it. Ordinary iPhone and Android touchscreen keyboards are crapola in comparison. I can type about 40 words per minute with Swype with few errors.

To my great surprise, I'm also relying more on speech-to-text transliteration. Android has quite a good built-in dictation engine, and Swype's Dragon Naturally Speaking dictation is pretty good also (though Android's is better). It's a very good alternative to keying in text letter by letter.

There are many Android handsets with slide-out keyboards which give the best of both worlds - hardware keys and a full-sized touchscreen. I don't think there are any high-end phones with hardware keys, though.

Try Swype and give it a good couple of days before you write it off - it's effortless to learn but the challenge is remembering where keys are and appreciating the "shape" of words. Failing that, try voice dictation. You could also try using a stylus to tap keys or drive handwriting recognition software, and a larger phone like the Galaxy Note would make this very comfortable.

djbriandamage
05-07-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm hijacking this thread as well because I want to brag. I rooted my Galaxy Nexus, unlocked the bootloader, and installed the 4.1 Jelly Bean prerelease OS. It was a very rewarding experience, and Google actually sent me an automated email congratulating me on unlocking my phone, confirming that I can now use it unhindered on any of its worldwide carriers! Google is super cool for being pro-hacking!

Timofee
05-07-2012, 09:11 PM
Don't bother, the Droid's keyboard is crap.

But a quick search turned up a list of new Android phones with QWERTY keyboards:

http://www.androidauthority.com/best-keyboard-qwerty-android-phones-2012-55315/

I can't tell you anything specific about them, but brand-wise I'd lean towards Samsung. They made the last two Nexus phones, which are excellent (but lacking keyboards).

Interesting, the Samsung Captivate Glide looks really useful, I think my only worry would be the battery life but I guess thems the breaks if you want a bigger screen.


I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I was also averse to on-screen keyboard initially. Then I started using Swype.

Thanks for the recommendation, if I get the opportunity I'll give it a go but I suspect I'll have the same problem. Its not that I have an issue with touchscreens per se, but that they have a problem with me - specifically registering the fact I have touched them; clearly I have weird fingers or some such.

FriendlyFire
05-07-2012, 09:31 PM
Are you sure your phone's not at cause? I know I (mistakenly) sprung for a Kobo Vox and its touchscreen has been ridiculously unresponsive, especially in comparison to my Nexus S. While the Vox might be a particularly bad example as it's a cheap as hell tablet, you could've just stumbled on a lemon.

I say this because most often touchscreens are *too* sensitive, not the opposite. They'll sometimes react when you're just hovering above them, since capacitive tech doesn't actually need contact to trigger.

Still, try Swype. It's unlike any other keyboard out there and it very well may negate the issues you've been having.

djbriandamage
05-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Unresponsive touchscreens are often an issue of slow or oversaturated CPUs. My first smartphone was an entry-level clunker and it often ignored or half-obeyed my commands because it was too busy remembering to breathe. My current phone has a faster CPU and is far more obedient.

Or in my father-in-law's case, the callouses on his fingers from lifelong guitar plucking are like a cloaking device for touchscreens. He has to use his knuckles.

FriendlyFire
05-07-2012, 09:57 PM
Your father-in-law needs capacitive gloves ;)

djbriandamage
06-07-2012, 05:00 PM
or maybe a 5 minute appointment with a belt sander

The JG Man
08-07-2012, 10:30 PM
I've had a cursory glance through the thread, but nothing too concrete. If this request is equal to something else said, I'd be highly appreciative, if not out-right thankful, if someone could direct me to said relevant post. Anyhow...

I am a man. More importantly, I am a man looking for a smart-phone.

Two and a half considerations, otherwise I'm open-game.
1. Budget of around 150, I guess. Or much below if something I want (description below) fits better.
2. Is Android powered. I'm open to other suggestions, but I will out-right refuse to use an iPhone.
2.5. Can be used on an O2 network.

My friend recently introduced me to GiffGaff, which is considerably better than what I currently have (10/m for 200m, unlimited texts vs. the same amount, but for 250m, unlimited texts and internet). Thing is, to make the most of that, it would seem silly to not have a smart phone to get the most out of it (even if it isn't already better now). At the same time, my phone is over 6 years old and the model has probably been around for at least a year prior, so I think an upgrade is in order. Not to mention I'm growing increasingly concerned that difficulties I'm having hearing are to do with the fact that the phone is just showing its age.

In this new phone, I'm looking for something that is good (hence the budget) but obviously isn't top-of-the-range. By that, I mean something that won't make me wish I had spent 10 more to get something noticeably better, a problem you tend to encounter if you spend less. I was thinking perhaps more a good model that is maybe a year or so old and has been replaced by the next top-of-the-range thing, but my knowledge in smart phones is rather lacking, so I acknowledge I'm mostly sprouting crap.

Assistance will be showered with gratitude and a virtual hug. Thanks in advance!

Kamikaze-X
08-07-2012, 11:08 PM
I've had a cursory glance through the thread, but nothing too concrete. If this request is equal to something else said, I'd be highly appreciative, if not out-right thankful, if someone could direct me to said relevant post. Anyhow...

I am a man. More importantly, I am a man looking for a smart-phone.

Two and a half considerations, otherwise I'm open-game.
1. Budget of around 150, I guess. Or much below if something I want (description below) fits better.
2. Is Android powered. I'm open to other suggestions, but I will out-right refuse to use an iPhone.
2.5. Can be used on an O2 network.

My friend recently introduced me to GiffGaff, which is considerably better than what I currently have (10/m for 200m, unlimited texts vs. the same amount, but for 250m, unlimited texts and internet). Thing is, to make the most of that, it would seem silly to not have a smart phone to get the most out of it (even if it isn't already better now). At the same time, my phone is over 6 years old and the model has probably been around for at least a year prior, so I think an upgrade is in order. Not to mention I'm growing increasingly concerned that difficulties I'm having hearing are to do with the fact that the phone is just showing its age.

In this new phone, I'm looking for something that is good (hence the budget) but obviously isn't top-of-the-range. By that, I mean something that won't make me wish I had spent 10 more to get something noticeably better, a problem you tend to encounter if you spend less. I was thinking perhaps more a good model that is maybe a year or so old and has been replaced by the next top-of-the-range thing, but my knowledge in smart phones is rather lacking, so I acknowledge I'm mostly sprouting crap.

Assistance will be showered with gratitude and a virtual hug. Thanks in advance!

Hmmm. 150 for a smartphone isn't really going to get you anything particularly good. I had a quick look on Play.com and the best I can come up with, unlocked, is the Desire C.

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/-/1019/1264/-/32102694/HTC-Desire-C-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Mobile-Phone/Product.html?searchfilters=ae63{HTC}+ae233{180-249.99}+&ob=4

The JG Man
08-07-2012, 11:56 PM
Hypothetically then, how much would you say would need to be spent on a good, but not amazing, handset?

djbriandamage
09-07-2012, 04:00 PM
Hypothetically then, how much would you say would need to be spent on a good, but not amazing, handset?

I would advise you to very carefully read offers and conditions from your local carriers. Here in Canada it's a ridiculously confusing mishmash. Carriers will do all they can to confuse you and trick you into paying too much. It took me a lot of research and I set up some Excel spreadsheets to see what the plan and phone would cost me per month over 3 years. In the end I subscribed to a plan that gave me the phone for free with a 3-year contract for voice and data. I expect things will be similar but not identical in England (Canada may well have the highest mobile phone prices on earth).

This would be my recommendation - calculate your costs per month, and weigh the options of a contract versus buying the phone outright. I too was planning on getting a mid-range phone but after doing my math it worked out to cost me about 25 cents more per month to sign a contract and own the best phone on the market.

The JG Man
09-07-2012, 04:41 PM
I see what you're talking about, for sure. Unfortunately, the network I wish to use (GiffGaff) do not do phone-based deals, just Sims. They are also the cheapest I'm aware of. Is the general consensus then that it's not worth buying something in the middle then?

Kamikaze-X
09-07-2012, 08:35 PM
I see what you're talking about, for sure. Unfortunately, the network I wish to use (GiffGaff) do not do phone-based deals, just Sims. They are also the cheapest I'm aware of. Is the general consensus then that it's not worth buying something in the middle then?

I think your (and everyone elses) idea of the middle and phone manufacturers idea of the middle are about 100 apart.

You really should be able to get something decent with a 4" screen for 150, like the huawai ascend (sadly locked to vodafone) but you dont get decent specs until the 250 point really.

The JG Man
09-07-2012, 08:51 PM
Fair enough. The input is greatly appreciated. As it stands, I'm not prepared to put down 250 on a phone, so I'll look around for alternatives closer to the numbers that I'm interested in.

Kamikaze-X
09-07-2012, 09:27 PM
I just had a lightbulb moment:

MotoLUXE:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-MOTOLUXE-Sim-Free-Smartphone/dp/tech-data/B006Z3D29M/ref=de_a_smtd

penny short of your budget.

oli_g89
27-07-2012, 05:05 PM
Hmmm. 150 for a smartphone isn't really going to get you anything particularly good. I had a quick look on Play.com and the best I can come up with, unlocked, is the Desire C.

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/-/1019/1264/-/32102694/HTC-Desire-C-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Mobile-Phone/Product.html?searchfilters=ae63{HTC}+ae233{180-249.99}+&ob=4

On the contrary it will get you a decent level of phone, especially if you don't mind getting an "I got it on contract but want to keep my old phone so i'm selling the new one on ebay" phone. I have done that for my past 3 handsets and works a treat, you just need to make sure either the phone is unlocked or at least locked to your desired network.

I just picked up both a Nokia Lumia 800 and Galaxy Nexus for 200 a piece for a friend and family member respectively.

As always, and as the beginning of this topic stated, it all comes down to which OS you like. I personally am a Windows Phone person as all my daily services are from Microsoft and it just...fits. (The later versions of) Android are very good, a darn sight better than those previously and well suited if you like to tinker on a smaller customisation scale or on a massive hackery scale.

Is 150 the absolute limit or would you be willing to add a few more pennies for something that little bit more sparkly if it were to last you longer?

Cephas
24-09-2013, 09:07 AM
@JGMan I was going to recommend the Nexus 4 to you, but it seems to be out of stock now. Also wise choice on GiffGaff. I'm a very big fan.

@michaeljos - objectively speaking it depends on personal preference. Larger screen size doesn't mean it's better. The build quality is pretty terrible. Whilst an improvement on the S3, the S4 still feel cheap. Hardware wise it's good but I find the OS bloated, slow and dated.

Boris
24-09-2013, 10:21 AM
I am really happy with my Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus 4 my sister has is also quite awesome. They're pretty cheap phones as well, and you can't go wrong with them.

Herzog
24-09-2013, 10:24 AM
I am using a Samsung Galaxy S2 Plus since half a year. My first smartphone and I am very happy with it. Basically an updated version of the classic S2 with a slightly better display. Would definitely recommend it as an entry level smart phone!

trjp
25-09-2013, 09:27 PM
I've had a Galaxy S3 for 18 months now - I said I'd never have another Samsung phone and I should have stuck to that, but the fact it had a changeable battery and memory card (when the competitors didn't) swayed me.

When it's working it's great, but it has a list of downsides the length of your arm (and the S4 shares most of them).

It's too big - like holding a brick upto your ear - which also makes it hard to use in one hand and easy to drop thanks to no 'bezel' (the camera is particularly tricky to use) - the touch buttons are FAR too easy to catch and 'go back' all the time - awful ergonomics, basically.

The power button is cheap and nasty, it sticks and wobbles and the front "copied from Apple" button will power-on the phone in your pocket repeatedly

When the battery is low, it repeatedly turns-on the screen to tell you this - no really it does!!

It's packed with bloatware crap from Samsung - OK, you can root and ROM it but really, you shouldn't HAVE to

It's crashy-as-hell - the browser crashes - the UI crashes - it has these long pregnant pauses when you ask it to do things

The Samsung voice thing is laughably shit - as are ALL the other Samsung gimmicks other than 'swipe down' cog for options, which is a nice touch.

The KIES software you need to update it etc. (I think they put OTA updates back recently but before that it was KIES or nothing) is HIDEOUS, crashy, slow, moody junkware.

Basically just don't go there unless you have no other choice - and you have many other choices...

p.s. mine's power socket is now moody - it's still insured so I think it's time it got kicked-into-touch..

Ocigan
30-09-2013, 07:47 AM
I have the Samsung Galaxy4, I am satisfied with it for now..

bad guy
01-10-2013, 10:33 AM
I saw sth interesting yesterday called Phone Bloks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qimP2lDff4w&feature=player_embedded)

Tritagonist
01-10-2013, 03:45 PM
That's pretty crafty, like an 1990s RPG inventory game. I approve of the idea, though: there's definitely a lot of electronics that goes to waste. It seems a lot of these things are built to last just long enough to pass the legally required 'Two Year Guarantee' (in the EU).

trjp
02-10-2013, 02:50 AM
I have the Samsung Galaxy4, I am satisfied with it for now..

If it's anything like my S3 it will take about 3 months for you to start noticing the more irritating things - the fact it's near impossible to flip-around in your hand (say you're using the camera and want landscape/portrait shots) without catching the back button, the way your battery drains cos the front button is triggering the screen in your pocket (set a lockscreen or you'll call people randomly!) - the power button will loosen (tho I've seen a few S4s and they seem a BIT better made in this respect) and so on.

There's an official answer to the power thing which is to "use a case" but it's already MASSIVE, putting it in a case makes it ridiculously large - like housebrick large.

It's lovely to have a big screen but it's nowhere near big enough to - say - read full-page website text or play games which are really intended for tablets and yet it's far too bloody big to just be a phone...

I think the Notes may have something at this point - they are ALMOST big enough to be tablets of a sort and they're just clearly silly as a phone...

If I were to change tomorrow I'm not sure what I'd get tho - I don't developer "just for Android" anymore so I'm not tied to the platform as I've been for 2+ years - at the same time I've zero desire for almost everything on-offer, which is kinda sad really.

I do know it wouldn't be anything made by Samsung tho

Zephro
02-10-2013, 02:07 PM
I've had an S3 since launch and haven't had any of the above problems. Still lasts 2 days on one battery charge, easily the best phone I've ever had.

Doodier
03-10-2013, 11:21 AM
(say you're using the camera and want landscape/portrait shots)
There should be a "portrait" mode on your camera which allows you to use the front camera for your selfies :) Can't help with the landscape mode..


There's an official answer to the power thing which is to "use a case" but it's already MASSIVE, putting it in a case makes it ridiculously large - like housebrick large.
I thought they make those really slim, almost paper-like cases that only cover the front display for that? (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/smartphone-accessories/EFC-1G6FLECSTD)

Chorltonwheelie
04-10-2013, 07:42 PM
I've had a Lumia 800 for two years and it's been solid, lovely and good to me.
Because of that I've got me a Lumia 1020. Oh my. It is outstanding.

I've had Symbian, Android and an early Apple and they we're all ok in their way (not so keen on the Iphone but maybe it's less restrictive now?) but these Windows things are as elegant a device as I've ever used. Surprising really, to anyone who's made a living wrestling with pc Windows for a living, but there it is.

trjp
04-10-2013, 09:33 PM
I've had an S3 since launch and haven't had any of the above problems. Still lasts 2 days on one battery charge, easily the best phone I've ever had.

I can make mine last 2 days if I DON'T USE IT - I think that might explain your lack of issues with it :)

Oh - I have to ignore it's PLEADING to be plugged-in when it easily has 6-hours of standby or 30 mins of use left.

Whatever else you may think of the S3 (and S4) tho - the bloatware, the shit PC software and the overall poor quality are undeniable. Sit one next to a recent HTC phone and you're holding a Hyundai next to a Porsche.

and don't start me on the bloatware again - I don't want the phone to 'see if I'm looking at it' (doesn't work) or any of the other stupid shit they weigh-it-down with (at least 4 different packages for media sharing - Samsung 'store' Apps etc. etc.)

Samsung Smartphone = Packard Bell PC

I really really should root and ROM it - I suspect it would be a revelation, but my last attempt at doing that to a phone worked for a short while and then started playing silly buggers until it eventually refused to boot at all, so I'm kinda nervous about that doing it again.

Davkaus
04-10-2013, 09:42 PM
I quite like most of the functionality built in to Touchwiz. The multitasking split screen mode is very nice, for example, especially on a large screen like the Note. and the Note's spen functionality is fantastic. There's not much I'd really call bloatware, but then, I looked in to Touchwiz before I got the old Note, and was looking forward to most of the features...The other upside Samsungs have compared to HTC is they are far more supportive of removable batteries and SD cards. Not a dealbreaker for everyone, but it's always something to consider.

KIES is indeed a bit crap, but thankfully it's not compulsory. I very much agree with the build quality complaint. I can see why Samsung do it, it's not only cheaper but apparently a lot of people want the phones to be more lightweight. I prefer a more premium feeling design like the HTC One, or even the Xperia Z1, which I think might be my next device. I was thinking about the Note 3 but the fake leather effect on the back feels like a cheap pleather sofa...Not good considering it costs about 600.

Xperia Z1, LG G2, or wait for the Nexus 5, I just can't decide.

trjp
04-10-2013, 09:56 PM
Note: KIES was mandatory for a great many S3s - OTA was disabled, you HAD to use KIES to get updates to firmware.

It was operator dependant perhaps - Orange/EE were one offender tho and I think O2 were another.

Oh - and the cable you get with your S3 is not quite a standard 'micro USB' - using a cable from another phone I could not get Kies to connect to the phone - there's something 'bespoke' about it, so DON'T LOSE IT

Then there's the decision (admiteddly not just Samsung's) to abandon the old 'Mobile Storage' approach to getting files onto the phone in favour of a system (MTP) which almost nothing supports

Oh - and then there's the total dick decision to make their silly smartwatch work ONLY with their own phones...
Samsung suck

Kevin
05-10-2013, 09:34 AM
Question about uploading files onto smart phones:

Do non-Apple phones use other programs to upload music and video files onto them. It seems to me that Apple is deliberately trying to make it less and less intuitive to do so onto their devices with every successive release of iTunes. Have you found the process much more fluid with Samsung or Droid phones?

Davkaus
05-10-2013, 09:44 AM
Most phone manufacturers have some sort of proprietary software you can use to transfer files across to the phone, but I've always found it easier and quicker to just treat it like any other USB device, and open phone's storage in windows explorer thendrag and drop the files I want rather than faffing around with a dedicated piece of software for it.

trjp
05-10-2013, 07:26 PM
Most older Android phones appear as 'memory sticks' if connected to a PC - so you just drag-and-drop stuff - however there's a trend of using MTP, which is an iTunes-like system which requires proprietary software to transfer stuff over - and that sucks.

To avoid this I use a SAMBA-capable file manager (Ghost Commander or FolderSync are free and decent) to xfer stuff over from my PC/NAS or whatever.

If speed is of the essence, a phone which uses SD Cards means you can put the SD Card into a reader on the PC and really fly through the copying - accept no substitutes to that.

You could also use Dropbox or something of that ilk...

p.s for music, Google really want you to use Google Music of course - but that's another bag-of-hammers entirely...

Boris
06-10-2013, 04:33 PM
MTP support is built into Windows. My Galaxy Nexus uses it, and I just use windows explorer to copy and paste music on there.

Maybe not on XP, but you shouldn't be using that anymore anyway.

Zephro
06-10-2013, 04:46 PM
I can make mine last 2 days if I DON'T USE IT - I think that might explain your lack of issues with it :)

Oh - I have to ignore it's PLEADING to be plugged-in when it easily has 6-hours of standby or 30 mins of use left.


Eh I use it plenty, I don't have lots of apps running, wifi and bluetooth are almost always disabled.
I never bothered using KIES but I just bought the handset as is, no operators involved.

I also use generic micro-usb cables with it all the time. The official one is just used to charge it at night, the ones for my PCs are just random ones i've collected over the years.

Also the S3 can take drag and drop in Windows. Doesn't work on linux annoyingly.

adamosmaki
10-10-2013, 09:45 PM
Galaxy s3 and like it so far. With the exception of home button ( feels bad when pressed ) i dont get the complaining about build quality. Between unibody metal design with no removable battery,scratch prone, no microSD card and plastic with microsd,removable battery and lighter i would gladly take the 2nd option every time .

War of Spoils
11-10-2013, 09:42 PM
Huawei Ascend G300

Davkaus
11-10-2013, 10:39 PM
Huawei; because why only be spied on by one Government agency, when you can add the Chinese to the list.

palindrome
02-11-2013, 08:55 PM
I know virtually nothing about phones.

I'm looking for a relatively cheap phone (about 20-25 a month) that I can play games on, any suggestions?

rockman29
02-11-2013, 10:58 PM
The Nexus 5 looks soooooo good :)

http://www.google.com/nexus/5/

I bought a Nexus 4 for $300.

I will wait for the Nexus 5 to drop in price then buy new, and probably sell off my Nexus 4.

In retrospect I should've waited for the Nexus 5, because I really wanted a 1080p screen and stuff, and especially 5 inches screen.

Nexus 4 was my first proper smartphone though, so I am still very happy with it and don't mind waiting :)

I may just wait for the next Google phone honestly lol.

^Try browsing the lower end Android selection, there are some really good phones I'm sure. Maybe a Samsung S2 or an old Google Nexus S or something.

Boris
03-11-2013, 12:41 AM
I wouldn't recommend a Nexus S at this point. The Galaxy Nexus will probably set you back the same amount and is a better phone. Probably the Nexus 4 will show up for low prices now as well, as the early adopters are selling theirs to get a Nexus 5.

rockman29
03-11-2013, 12:45 AM
I can't remember what the diff between a Nexus S and Galaxy S is tbh hehehe, wasn't into phones at that point.

I would recommend the Nexus 4 actually too. It's only $199 for the 8 GB model I believe, great value. It's a top end chip, good resolution, 4.7 in screen. Runs any application or game you throw at it.

Also great for emulators XD

Not sure when the next "huge" upgrades for phone hardware are coming. The Nexus 4 and 5 both have 8 MP cameras. The newest Sony phones have 13 MP, but those are much more expensive off-contract.

Hardware wise, both Nexus 4 and 5 both have 2 GB RAM, and comparable CPUs, though the 5's runs at a higher clock and has a better GPU (both use Qualcomm).

So really a Nexus 4 is probably the best phone for the budget conscious guy, and it's still a great phone for anyone else. I highly recommend it, I really love mine, works great :)

If you buy a Nexus 4 you also get the KitKat 4.4 Android soon also. All the Google devices are getting it (except for the much older phones from Google I think like the Nexus S or something).

trjp
03-11-2013, 04:15 AM
As for "playing all games" - no Android device plays 'all games', there are issues here and there with almost everything (just as there are with PCs) but for the best possible coverage you want

1 - a phone which runs Jelly Bean or later - pref. with a multi-core CPU
2 - a BIG screen - (at least 4.5") to support ports/emulators etc. better - proper HD (1280x720ish) or better
3 - a popular phone - the more popular a phone is, the more likely popular games work on it - obscure imported handsets have NO CHANCE of this
4 - a flexible attitude when things don't work because - well - that's Android for you (see also iOS when it comes to older devices too)

Devices like the Galaxy S or even S2 are pretty much outdated now - the game has moved on and they struggle in terms of memory and CPU power making games (and even some apps) run like crap.

palindrome
03-11-2013, 09:40 AM
I currently have a Galaxy S and it was extremely sluggish (and has now gone to calculator heaven).
Is an android or an Iphone better for games in terms of selection and quality?

BillButNotBen
03-11-2013, 10:33 AM
iPhone is probably best, but android is catching up.
Android is probably best for things like emulators and free/open source games. (and humble bundles)
A lot of professionally made android games are on iphone, but a lot of iphone games aren't on android.
Though there are probably enough games on either platform to keep you busy.

Though it depends what you want. I've never had an iphone, so I don't have any personal experience on that front.

L_No
04-11-2013, 09:34 AM
Just a quick question to all of you savvy people: the missus and I bought the same smartphone about two years ago, two Samsung Galaxy Gio's. Both phones have suffered from a similar problem the last few weeks. The battery suddenly empties really fast (from 100% to 40% in a day, while the phone is not being used - using the phone accelerates this). We used to be able to recharge the battery every few days, but we need to charge them almost every day now. Has anyone experienced the same issue? Should we buy new phones, or is there a way to solve this problem?

Boris
04-11-2013, 09:40 AM
It's a wonder you didn't have to charge daily, to be honest.

If you're rooted, you can install something like Wakelock Detector to see if something is turning on your phone in your pocket. For me that was Facebook, and I don't really care a lot about that, so I used Greenify to stop it from working in the background.

Similar
04-11-2013, 01:34 PM
Just a quick question to all of you savvy people: the missus and I bought the same smartphone about two years ago, two Samsung Galaxy Gio's. Both phones have suffered from a similar problem the last few weeks. The battery suddenly empties really fast (from 100% to 40% in a day, while the phone is not being used - using the phone accelerates this). We used to be able to recharge the battery every few days, but we need to charge them almost every day now. Has anyone experienced the same issue? Should we buy new phones, or is there a way to solve this problem?
You could try letting the battery drain empty (not really possible, but at least until the phone turns completely off) and then recharge it. It sometimes helps. Rechargeable batteries tend to start behaving weirdly after lots of partial recharges.

Never had a smartphone, but my very basic Nokia has the same problem and letting it run dry works. Same with my parents' phones.

L_No
04-11-2013, 03:12 PM
You could try letting the battery drain empty (not really possible, but at least until the phone turns completely off) and then recharge it. It sometimes helps. Rechargeable batteries tend to start behaving weirdly after lots of partial recharges.

Never had a smartphone, but my very basic Nokia has the same problem and letting it run dry works. Same with my parents' phones.

I already tried that, to no avail :(

palindrome
07-11-2013, 01:33 PM
Is there a significant difference between the Iphone 4 and 5 when it comes to games?

rockman29
08-11-2013, 01:44 AM
I would seriously recommend the Nexus 5 over the Iphone 5.

I have a few friends who have purchased one.... it is a beautiful thing. The 4.99 inch and 1080p screen is unbelievable, and you get the newest OS KitKat immediately. The OS is buttery smooth and support for games on Google Play is great, plus you get a lot of the atypical stuff like emulators and everything which work amazing too.

Services wise... hard to compete with native Google Maps support and Hangouts jazz which doubles as the SMS messenger.

All the games can be seen on Google Play to get an impression of what is there... my personal favourite game is Carmageddon (the original is on Gplay).

I really do not understand going for an iPhone over a Nexus 5 unless your preference is to only use iOS

Full disclosure: my preference is Android

Estel
08-11-2013, 10:42 AM
Is there a significant difference between the Iphone 4 and 5 when it comes to games?

Depends if you mean a 4 or a 4S, but the 4 is definitely showing its age and won't be able to cope with lots of the more intensive games; the 4S might have similar issues (it is now two years old, which is the "standard" life of a phone).

g2gdotcom
20-11-2013, 10:21 AM
If you want a phone for gaming, for me I prefer the screen to be big. Currently I am using Samsung Note 3 and it's perfect. It runs on 3GB ram and 32GB built in memory.

trjp
20-11-2013, 02:43 PM
Is there a significant difference between the Iphone 4 and 5 when it comes to games?

Apples insane idea to change the screen size/format for one...

The iPhone vs Android (vs Blackberry and Windows if you must) question is one you HAVE to answer for yourself really.

iOS offers a massive range of amazing apps - you don't have Apple nannying you on content. The iPad is unrivalled as a tablet (Android tablet apps have been really slow to appear - most are still just 'big phone' apps) and if you use OSX or intend to develop for iOS then it's a no-brainer to use iOS devices.

Android is much more open and can basically do more things - but that openness brings with it compatibility issues and other snags - and Android lacks some of the better games and apps on iOS too.

The other 2 are for people who just HAVE to be different and don't mind missing out.

I'm actually pretty happy with an Android phone and an iPad Tablet - I think it's a good mix.