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NotTheFace
05-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Overall the price comes to around £600-£700 give or take a few pounds, so the budget is around this mark. I wasn't sure if i was missing anything or if someone could suggest better parts. Some of the parts are out of stock at the moment but you can still give me your opinons.

Power supply
http://www.ebuyer.com/124927-arctic-power-700w-psu-4x-sata-1x-pci-express-p2-arctic-700td

Internal hard-drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/173804-samsung-hd103sj-spinpoint-f3-1tb-hard-drive-sataii-7200rpm-32mb-cache-hd103sj

Optical drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/270850-samsung-sh-s222ab-22x-dvd-rw-dl-ram-sata-optical-drive-retail-sh-s222ab-rsms

Motherboard (The thing im most unsure about)
http://www.ebuyer.com/220150-asus-m4a88t-m-880g-socket-am3-onboard-graphics-8-channel-audio-matx-motherboard-m4a88t-m

CPU
http://www.ebuyer.com/190673-amd-phenom-ii-x4-955-black-edition-socket-am3-3-2-ghz-6mb-hdz955fbgmbox

Graphics card
http://www.ebuyer.com/279585-xfx-hd-6870-900mhz-1gb-gddr5-dual-dvi-dual-displayport-hdmi-pci-e-hd-687a-zhfc

Casing
http://www.ebuyer.com/143854-antec-300-three-hundred-case-0761345-08300-3

RAM (This x4)
http://www.ebuyer.com/147903-kingston-ddr3-2gb-1333mhz-i5-memory-module-cl9-1-5v-kvr1333d3n9-2g

I have a monitor and keyboard etc its just these parts. Oh and i know i'l need a 64bit operating system, so i'l be including windows 7 when i buy it. I'd like to play games like; Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Fallout 3, Lord of the rings online and things like that, just general gaming. Another little thing i was thinking about, is there any part i can include so that it has built in wireless? If you think its all terrible feel free to build me one. Thanks for your time, i hope i explained all that reasonably well.

MiniMatt
05-09-2011, 08:51 PM
Note that your graphics card (along with pretty much all of them) requires two PCI express power connectors and your PSU only has one *BUT* you'll get loads of adaptor thingies with the psu/motherboard/graphics card allowing you to turn a couple of regular power connectors into a second pci jobby.

If you're unsure about motherboard and stuff I often find it simpler (and a teensy bit cheaper) to get motherboard/cpu/memory bundles - most places do them (check Dabs/Novatech/Overclockers if you're struggling). You can sometimes get a better deal on operating systems if you buy a bundle too (as they can ship an OEM copy rather than a consumer one).

Easiest way for built in wireless would be either a PCI wireless card or a USB wireless dongle. Plenty of choice of either but personally I prefer wired connections for desk PCs, especially for online gaming.

Alex Bakke
05-09-2011, 10:00 PM
You really, really, REALLY don't need a 700W PSU. 550W will be all you need for this rig. Look to spend the same amount on a 550W PSU that has a better efficiency.

NotTheFace
05-09-2011, 10:10 PM
Thanks for the help guys it means a lot, as you can tell i'm a noob at this so any help is gold. Thanks for the advice about the power connectors and the bundles, i'm taking a look at them. About the power supply, i was only thinking in the long run if i wanted to update parts and such, but i'l go with what you said.

ComradePenguin
05-09-2011, 10:12 PM
Maybe you're adding something I'm not but the parts you've listed are sub £500. Even with Windows tacked on that's well below budget. If you've got up to £700 I think you should be looking at an i5 and a 560ti. For example:

MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) P67 Socket 1155 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard £105.81
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor £159.77
KFA2 GTX 560Ti OC 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card £163.79
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 i5 Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-24) 1.65V £26.51
Antec 300 Three Hundred Case £47.25
Samsung SH-S222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - Retail Box Black £15.99
OCZ 500W ModXStream Pro Modular PSU £55.28
Cart total inc vat: £574.40

Add in the Samsung F3 for about £40 and a wireless card for around £10 and you should have enough left over for Windows 7. If you're a student you can get this for around £40 saving you a bit more.

Some quick notes. I've only given you 4gb of RAM as this is all you'll really need for gaming. If you want the comfort of 8gb you can get it for £20 more or so but it is best to get it in the form of two sticks to keep it dual channel. I don't know if that particular 560ti is any good. I chose it because it was the cheapest on Ebuyer. It would be worth you reading up on the ones various places have cheap and working out which suits you best. Not sure but I think the 300 only comes with rear and top fans so you may need to add in a couple of front ones for decent cooling. Lastly it way be worth looking at getting a better cpu cooler if you want to overclock or care about noise.

If you want to get closer to the £600 rather than £700 mark sub out the 560ti for a 6870 (you can find them on offer for under £130 now and then) and if you're not overclocking perhaps a locked version of the i5 and a different motherboard. What resolution are you planning on gaming at? Will help decide if spending the extra is worth it.

Hope that is of some help.

Colonel J
06-09-2011, 07:02 AM
Yes if you can stretch to £700 then go with the build ComradePenguin is suggesting above, it will give you a better gaming experience in the more demanding games. I've just ordered very similar parts myself. That KFA2 560ti card is decent, there are reviews if you google.

For a cheap wireless card, try this (http://www.ebuyer.com/155641-tenda-wireless-n300-pci-adapter-w322p). A PCI card is more reliable than USB dongles.

Also consider getting a sound card. By no means essential, the on-board sound from the motherboard is acceptable, but a decent sound card gives a noticeable improvement in games, particularly through headphones, and can be had for under £20. Asus Xonar DG (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-012-AS)

hexagonalbolts
06-09-2011, 11:18 AM
Comrade Penguin's build is good, you can easily get a good 8GB of ram for a tenner more though, http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-ripjawsx-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-12800cl9d-8gbxl

The people on the ebuyer forums are extremely friendly and helpful, you might in fact want to check a thread I made only a couple days ago for a similar price - ours came to £750 in the end but included a £90 SSD drive, so if you didn't want the SSD drive it would be £660:

https://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php?73951-Final-build-check-before-I-order-please-verify-it-s-ok!

Everytime I build a computer there are always new obscure terms I have to ask about, or I need to ask for the justification behind certain recommendations - don't be afraid to ask!

Alex Bakke
06-09-2011, 02:47 PM
Maybe you're adding something I'm not but the parts you've listed are sub £500. Even with Windows tacked on that's well below budget. If you've got up to £700 I think you should be looking at an i5 and a 560ti. For example:

MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) P67 Socket 1155 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard £105.81
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor £159.77
KFA2 GTX 560Ti OC 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card £163.79
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 i5 Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-24) 1.65V £26.51
Antec 300 Three Hundred Case £47.25
Samsung SH-S222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - Retail Box Black £15.99
OCZ 500W ModXStream Pro Modular PSU £55.28
Cart total inc vat: £574.40

Add in the Samsung F3 for about £40 and a wireless card for around £10 and you should have enough left over for Windows 7. If you're a student you can get this for around £40 saving you a bit more.

Some quick notes. I've only given you 4gb of RAM as this is all you'll really need for gaming. If you want the comfort of 8gb you can get it for £20 more or so but it is best to get it in the form of two sticks to keep it dual channel. I don't know if that particular 560ti is any good. I chose it because it was the cheapest on Ebuyer. It would be worth you reading up on the ones various places have cheap and working out which suits you best. Not sure but I think the 300 only comes with rear and top fans so you may need to add in a couple of front ones for decent cooling. Lastly it way be worth looking at getting a better cpu cooler if you want to overclock or care about noise.

If you want to get closer to the £600 rather than £700 mark sub out the 560ti for a 6870 (you can find them on offer for under £130 now and then) and if you're not overclocking perhaps a locked version of the i5 and a different motherboard. What resolution are you planning on gaming at? Will help decide if spending the extra is worth it.

Hope that is of some help.

I'd recommend swapping out the Antec 300 Case for a HAF912 case - Plenty of room and great airflow, which is perfect for when you want to upgrade. It'll also make cable management so much easier.

Not that much more expensive, either!

Colonel J
07-09-2011, 06:07 PM
Nuts, as of today there is a new deal on most Nvidia GTX 560Ti (http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=2&store=2&cat=215&subcat=3361&sort=pricelow&limit=10)cards that bundles a free code for Batman Arkham City. My Asus 560Ti from ebuyer arrived yesterday. First choice was the MSI Twin Frozr, but that was out of stock when I ordered last week, now back in stock for £176 and free delivery. Now's the time to get one if you're in the market for a sub-£200 card.

Gravy
11-09-2011, 12:08 AM
Im in the process of sorting out my new budget oc build too, which is nearly exactly the same as hexagonalbolts lists. Although Im ordering from Aria as its a bit cheaper.

Im contemplating a nicer case than a stock one, the fractal r3 looks pretty sweet and im yet to decide if im going for an ssd for windows and games (then store everything else on 2tb drive) and unsure if its worth it.

Also its worth mentioning the MSI Twin Frozr is probably the best 560ti and the best upper mid range card out there considering price.

Anyway id say give Aria a try if your budgets tight, i've looked everywhere and atm the 2500k is £150 and the MSI mobo £98. Also if your looking to overclock at all you'd best include a cpu cooler!

This is my build:

MSI P67A-GD53 Intel P67 (REV B3) Socket 1155 DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail
8GB Corsair Vengeance Blue LP (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl Gaming Midi Tower Case
MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti Twin FrozR II OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
be quiet! Dark Rock Advanced CPU Cooler

Basket Total £ 478.67
Approx. Delivery £ 11.62
VAT £ 98.06
Total £588.35

I've compromised my budget a little mainly due to hating cheap cases and gone for memory that matches my mobo colours, I've also no need for a psu as i'll be stripping out an old one.

NotTheFace
11-09-2011, 03:25 PM
I've looked at what you guys have said, taken advice, and i think i've made an improved build.

Asus M5A99X EVO 990FX Socket AM3+ 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/270698)
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz Socket AM3 6MB L3 Cache Cache 125W Retail Boxed Processor (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/186428)
Coolermaster GX 650W PSU - 6x SATA 2x PCI-E 80plus Certified (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200491)
Samsung HD204UI Spinpoint F4 2TB Hard Drive SATA 5400RPM 32MB Cache - OEM - 3yr Warranty (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/237908)
Kingston 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz i5 Memory Kit Non-ECC CL9 1.5V (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172949)
LG GH22NS70 22x DVD±RW with DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/263923)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/259863)
NZXT Lexa S Case (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/175611)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Intel and AMD Socket Heatpipe Cooling Fan (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253477)
MSI GTX 560Ti TWIN FROZR II 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card includes FREE Batman Arkham City download (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/255699)

Total including VAT: £684

What do you guys think? Any problems? Will it run Battlefield 3 at a decent quality?
Was slightly worried about the case, i think i picked a good one with plenty of space and comes with 4 internal fans for heat reduction.

Colonel J
11-09-2011, 03:46 PM
@Gravy, this weekend I've assembled an almost identical PC to that in a Fractal R3 case! It's a great case for the money, solid, well designed and very quiet. The only niggle I'd change is that the case sides are a real bloody faff to clip back into place - if you're someone that needs to get into the case frequently to tweak stuff (I'm not really) then that might annoy you in the long term. Cooling is pretty good, though I've put in a second quiet 120mm fan at the front as I had one spare, and it's dropped CPU temps by 3 or 4 degrees so definitely of benefit in the long run if you're going to routinely overclock.

The only unexpected snag with the build was that my Arctic Freezer Pro CPU cooler means I can't use RAM DIMM1 socket on the MSI mobo as the cooler overhangs it - I assume the Dark Rock will have a similar issue so be aware. This means putting the RAM in slots 2 and 4 for dual channel - I was a bit worried about this as the mobo manual says you must use DIMMS 1 & 3 for two matched sticks in dual to guarantee the mobo will post - but didn't turn out to be a problem, it all worked perfectly first time, at least with the memory I've got (http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-132-CR) anyway.

The MSI Overclock button on the mainboard gave me an automatic 4.2GHz overclock on the 2500K in one button push! A lot less than it's capable of probably, but any more than that I've not experimented with yet in the BIOS.

I was thinking about getting an SSD too but I've decided to wait and get one in six months or so. Waiting for prices to drop to less than £100 for at least a 120GB SATA III SSD which is the sweet spot for me. In the meantime I've put Windows and just the essential system stuff into a seperate boot partition on a 2TB drive to make for a quicker switch to a new SSD later.

With apologies to the OP for the thorough hijack of his original question :)

ComradePenguin
11-09-2011, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't go down the AMD route personally. That X4 is soon to be replaced, is power hungry in comparison to Sandy Bridge chips and slower. An i5 will be pretty future proof for gaming and would be a better bet if a bit more expensive. I wouldn't get an F4 as your main drive as it's only 5400RPM. Get a 1tb F3 and if you need additional storage another possibly slower drive.

Colonel J
11-09-2011, 04:36 PM
I wouldn't go down the AMD route personally. That X4 is soon to be replaced, is power hungry in comparison to Sandy Bridge chips and slower. An i5 will be pretty future proof for gaming and would be a better bet if a bit more expensive. I wouldn't get an F4 as your main drive as it's only 5400RPM. Get a 1tb F3 and if you need additional storage another possibly slower drive.

On CPU, after researching my new build I went Intel over AMD for the reasons CP says here.

I've just got the same 2TB Samsung as that from ebuyer. Yes it won't be as speedy as a 7200rpm but it's a very good all round for that money. I'm only using as a boot drive temporarily until I get an SSD in a few months, it's mainly for long term storage, but having said that I'm pleasantly surprised, it doesn't feel at all slow and would be perfectly acceptable if I had live with a system HDD permanently. I gather that the four platters can make it just as fast for very large file transfers though it will be slower for small system files. Very techy review here (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1076-page5.html). But if it's going to be your permanent system drive, I'd be inclined to do what CP says and get a 7200RPM 1TB now then add a second drive for more storage later.

All your other components look good. I've no experience of that case. If it helps, the things I look for when choosing a case are reasonable quietness, decent cooling (and will I have to spend more money on more/quieter fans?) and does it have the basic features I want on the front panel (headphone socket etc). Other than that, cases are much of a muchness around the £50 mark.

Gravy
11-09-2011, 05:55 PM
@Colonel J

Thats music to my ears, I've just ordered said mobo, cpu and gfx card and I'll be adding to that as i go (only a poor student should have everything sorted for BF3). The case issues don't worry me too much, its seems a lot more practical than having a £50 case that annoys me and lacks some features. I'll probably add some more fans to the case as and when I can - Im planning on doing a good cpu overclock and probably the card and ram as and when i need to so that extra cooling will help.

I've read about the issues for ram space, but I also read somewhere you can turn the dark rock cooler on its side as it were so it expels air out the back of the case and also allows you to fit ram in the correct slots so I should be ok.

Hoping to get an overclock of 4.5ghz or more chip permitting, but its good to know i can click a button for instant results! Great feedback much apprieciated.

@OP As previously mentioned i definitely wouldn't go the AMD route atm, for the price and overclockability*(speeds of 4.6-5ghz arn't uncommon) of the 2500k your system will be more future proof, giving you some time before it needs updating.

sonaul
16-09-2011, 03:34 AM
I would suggest that you shy away from the AMD processor though they really look promising. Just merely looking at benchmark results, you would already notice that they really are losing out to its intel counterpart.

I would actually suggest that you look at that option. Though AMD really has its form following and if you are one of them, then we cannot say much about swaying you over to the other side.

Lukasz
16-09-2011, 08:59 AM
they are loosing in benchmark but cause they are more expensive. for a buck amd beats intel.
amd 965 £93.99 vs i3 2100 £92.66
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

amd 965 = 4288 and i3 = 3864

therefore for that price suggesting intel is unreasonable imo

ComradePenguin
16-09-2011, 12:02 PM
they are loosing in benchmark but cause they are more expensive. for a buck amd beats intel.
amd 965 £93.99 vs i3 2100 £92.66
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

amd 965 = 4288 and i3 = 3864

therefore for that price suggesting intel is unreasonable imo

Fair point but what I, and others I guess, are suggesting is out of their total budget they'd get a better build overall by spending more on the processor and less elsewhere rather than spending the same on the Intel equivalent. Further to that the 965BE and its socket is to disappear in the very near future. I know you can get AM3+ mobos now but without knowing how good Bulldozer is, it is a bit of a punt in the dark. By contrast spending an extra £60 on an i5 2500K should mean you avoid the need for upgrades for several years. Also in fairness to the 2100 thats a synthetic benchmark. For gaming Bit-tech found it bests even an 980BE (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/07/01/intel-core-i3-2100-review/6) so it may be the better option if you're not using any quad core loving applications.

Lukasz
16-09-2011, 02:34 PM
thx for the link.
good point indeed. and stupid bulldozer should come soon. AMD slacking behind intel is not good thing for them and for intel but mostly for us consumers.

Wolfenswan
16-09-2011, 03:24 PM
I haven't much to add to what has already been said but you might want to check http://www.hardware-revolution.com/ for good advice on (mainly) CPU & GPUs. Other useful beginner guides there too.

Spider Jerusalem
16-09-2011, 08:35 PM
I, too, built a PC around the same budget a few months ago, and as Sandy Bridge was right in the middle of being recalled, I went with the processor you're considering (it also helped that it was cheaper because I was on a tight budget). I've had no complaints, and I've been able to run everything on the highest settings without an issue. I've actually slightly undervolted it to keep temps down, and things still run smoothly (and cool).

Also, I really haven't been impressed by the NZXT cases, fwiw. I would recommend the Antec 300. There just isn't a better case out there at that price point.

Draakon
23-09-2011, 07:00 PM
/facepalm @ people saying "Get intel, AMD sucks". If you don't know what you are talking about, especially in the world of PC, please keep quiet. And if you ask why, then the reason is simple.

No matter what you choose today, Intel or AMD, ATI or Nvidia, both work the same way as other, both can run your games at the highest details and so on.

Gravy
29-09-2011, 03:26 PM
/facepalm @ people saying "Get intel, AMD sucks". If you don't know what you are talking about, especially in the world of PC, please keep quiet. And if you ask why, then the reason is simple.

No matter what you choose today, Intel or AMD, ATI or Nvidia, both work the same way as other, both can run your games at the highest details and so on.

Yes because all brands and components are the same put anything in and it'll run at the highest settings and so on.... What complete utter tosh. When buying a car do you look to see if they've all got engines then buy which ever because effectively they do all the same thing?

Its not just about buying for today; when someone invests that kind of money on a system they want to get value for money and a future proof purchase.

Its fairly simple with even the slightest investigation on google AMDs current cpu line up with dated architecture is some way behind Intel it may well change with Bulldozer but thats completely irrelevent as its a mid budget build.

Draakon
30-09-2011, 05:21 AM
What you just described is user error. Ever since I got my first computer, I have found out that either Intel or AMD, they both do the job as well as the other. Don't be naive.

Vexing Vision
30-09-2011, 08:33 AM
I once bought a computer at Lidl, and it worked just fine.

*coughs* Sorry.

I like ComradePenguin's build. I'll see what's out by December when I'll replace my old machine.

Gravy
30-09-2011, 06:52 PM
What you just described is user error. Ever since I got my first computer, I have found out that either Intel or AMD, they both do the job as well as the other. Don't be naive.

Only some do it better than others.

Draakon
01-10-2011, 11:34 AM
They both do the same good job as the other.

Gravy
01-10-2011, 05:56 PM
No. Depends on the brand and model.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

Draakon
01-10-2011, 10:32 PM
You seriously believe in benchmarks? /sigh.

Don't every take benchmarks into consideration, especially when building a PC. All systems are different, of course they will have different results. But they still do the job as good as the other and basing your PC build off from a benchmark is......stupid.

Gravy
04-10-2011, 01:40 PM
You seriously believe in benchmarks? /sigh.

Don't every take benchmarks into consideration, especially when building a PC. All systems are different, of course they will have different results. But they still do the job as good as the other and basing your PC build off from a benchmark is......stupid.

Who ever said anything about building a pc from a benchmark, and yes i do believe in benchmarks, Its certainly a lot more scientific than your blind belief of put anything in and it'll everything fine at the highest settings (which is total rubbish i might add). Intels sandybridge line is better than anything AMD have until bulldozer, thats fact.

Maybe some of AMDs newer cpus do a reasonable job now of keeping up with SB but the facts are they are inferior at the moment and thats mainly due to AMDs aging achitecture.

I'll put this down to trolling, ignorance or naivety. Either that or you've purchased an AMD cpu recently and your trying to justify it.

Thats the last i've got to say on the subject so enjoy your hokum replies but I'll leave you to it.

Berzee
04-10-2011, 04:15 PM
I don't have any good advice because I don't know anything about computers, but I did want to come here and make a joke about how "advice on my build so far" sounds like something you would ask when rolling a character for an RPG, and then I thought what if there was an RPG where your character was a computer that had to order new parts for itself in order to be able to run better games. But I didn't know how to make that joke exactly so I just thought I would come here and tell you about everything that you have wrought.

Edit: also,


When buying a car do you look to see if they've all got engines then buy which ever because effectively they do all the same thing?

I don't...I don't know what kind of engine is in my car. I think it's grey? (You might hope this is a joke, but hope meet disappointment every day).

DuddBudda
05-10-2011, 04:46 AM
they are loosing in benchmark but cause they are more expensive. for a buck amd beats intel.
amd 965 £93.99 vs i3 2100 £92.66
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

amd 965 = 4288 and i3 = 3864

therefore for that price suggesting intel is unreasonable imo

sure, if you're lookiong at encoding etc benches then a 965 is a fair choice, but an i3 2100 is better in games than an 1100T, let alone a 965BE, check anandtech.com/bench and see for yourself

I'm all for Comrade penguin's build but for PSUs in that price range I wouldn't be looking at OCZ unless there was no other option, and there are plenty others - an Antec Earthwatt, Seasonic amongst others, heck, and even the be quiet! 530W are more efficient and review for a higher build quality than the Xstream series

oh and @Draakon, I just picked up a Dell with an HD 5450, XII 260 and 2GB RAM for £550 but it don't play the BF3 beta at anything but lowest settings, whats with that ??? must be optimised liek a panda or some shizz right?

Draakon
06-10-2011, 10:10 AM
@Gravy:

I am not posting this because I just bought a AMD CPU (which I did recently BTW), but the common false misconception that Intel/Nvidia is always better compared to AMD/ATI. Having worked on both platforms for 8 years now (with very different results, tasks and so on) I can tell from my own experince the following true fact:

AMD CPU or Intel CPU, it does not matter. Both get the job done as good as the other. If you like to say otherwise, ask yourself the following questions:
Can you play the latest games on high detail without any problems?
Can you play videos or make them?
Can you use archive applications without a problem?
Can you overclock?
Can you multi-thread?
and so on.

Obviously, anyone who has used any form of AMD CPU can answer all these questions with a "Yes" answer.
I don't know if you are a Intel fanboy, a person paid to say "Intel rocks, AMD sux" or a maybe even a troll, but from your text, I can read somekind of hatred towards AMD.

A good person shouldn't force down anothers opinon stating it sucks. A good IT person recommends a user to choose whatever products he prefers, stating before hand the pros and cons of each product.
In the case of AMD vs Intel, its "cheaper, but with a loss of 5% of FPS" vs "expensive, but with a gain of 5% FPS". Stating that one is better at a given task is false.

Beliving in benchmarks is bad, due to each person having a different setup. Even if you the exacly same setup hardware wise, the probability of using same settings and such software level is very low.
Also, basing your purchases off a benchmark also has 2 other things you are making a mistake at:
1) You are looking at a given persons performance. You are going to have different performance.
2) Different architectures of CPU as well as different motherboards, sockets and so on.
I could go on about it, but I hope you get my picture.

And about the architecture, there is a old saying: Why fix it when it ain't broken? This statment easly applies to AMD.

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somini
18-07-2014, 09:32 AM
PC Gaming is great but make sure to download the necessary antivirus software to keep your system safe. The last thing you need is to get your C hacked
http://www.filetransfersecurity.com
Of course, if you need an antivirus, is already too late...

Samsonite
18-07-2014, 09:54 AM
Of course, if you need an antivirus, is already too late...

Also, I would say that commercial games are less likely to pose a virus threat than a lot of other software. Much less of a threat than say a hyperlink tenuously posted on a 3 year old thread...

somini
18-07-2014, 10:00 AM
Also, I would say that commercial games are less likely to pose a virus threat than a lot of other software. Much less of a threat than say a hyperlink tenuously posted on a 3 year old thread...
How the hell didn't I notice that? Seriously, sometimes I embarrass myself...

Samsonite
18-07-2014, 12:40 PM
Well don't worry - it's Friday so I am sure many other people will embarrass themselves later on (after a trip to the pub) :)

QuantaCat
18-07-2014, 01:17 PM
Hi i don't know a thing about pc's. I need help, what's a good one for FPS army games. My budget just depends what i could find, if i could find a better pc to game then the one i have now for 300 rather then 500 then that'll do. Im just really looking to spend more then 700 dollars. My current pc is listed below. Are Alienwares good?

Acer Aspire AM3910-U4012
General SpecProcessorIntel Core i3-550 3.20GHzProcessor Main Features64 bit Dual Core ProcessorCache Per Processor4MB L3 CacheMemory6GB DDR3 1333MHzHard Drive1TB SATAGraphicsIntegrated Intel HD Graphics.


This was sent to me in a PM. anyone got good suggestions?

Samsonite
18-07-2014, 02:10 PM
This looks the same as this post: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?14867-In-the-Market-For-A-New-Gaming-Desktop&p=532337#post532337

Some suggestions on there already :)

QuantaCat
18-07-2014, 03:03 PM
Whoops, sorry.