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Rinox
18-09-2011, 01:35 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-15/merkel-faces-vote-as-pirates-prepare-for-win.html

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15396744,00.html


The Pirate Party is expected to get about 9% of all votes in the Berlin city-state parliament, thus capturing seats in the parliament.

They're campaiging on civil rights, free access to technology, freedom of information, and against breaching of privacy (cameras, body scanners) and overly strict copyright laws. Their general agenda can be found here (http://www.piratenpartei.de/unsere_ziele) (in German).

It's an interesting political evolution, and perhaps the first time a party that is clearly based in internet culture (and dare I say, modern culture) is making such big splashes. With similar parties rising in many countries all over the world I can only hope it's only a beginning - their agenda is a lot more appealing to me personally than any of the traditional parties, for one.

Also, on a less serious note: I'm starting to feel like we're living in one of those Alpha Centauri FMV vids now. ;)

BobsLawnService
18-09-2011, 02:41 PM
I predict that they get 2% of the vote.

Xercies
18-09-2011, 03:03 PM
The thing about the pirate party are they really bad at speaking and coming up with their aims and why piracy isn't all that bad. They need better PR and a better name!

TillEulenspiegel
18-09-2011, 03:29 PM
I tend to prefer Die Linke on most current issues, at least judging by the breakdown on the Berliner Morgenpost website. I'm happy to have the Piratenpartei around and grabbing headlines, though.

Alas, we Ausländer can't vote. Yet?

Coins
18-09-2011, 04:56 PM
We had a pirate party trying to win seats as well, in the Netherlands. However, they didn't manage to get any votes because of absysmal PR and a lack of knowledge of politics. Hope yours fares better!

Rinox
18-09-2011, 07:36 PM
I predict that they get 2% of the vote.

Just in: 8,5% of the vote and in parliament! Not sure how many seats yet though. :)



I tend to prefer Die Linke on most current issues, at least judging by the breakdown on the Berliner Morgenpost website. I'm happy to have the Piratenpartei around and grabbing headlines, though.

Alas, we Ausländer can't vote. Yet?

I hope EU citizens living in Germany can vote for state elections soon.

TillEulenspiegel
18-09-2011, 09:10 PM
It's 8.9% now for the Pirates, and the FDP (neoliberals) are definitely out of parliament. The counting is almost complete.

http://www.wahlen-berlin.de/

It looks like there won't be quite enough for a red-green coalition (which I would be pretty happy with), so it could get a little interesting.

No, that's wrong, red-green should have just enough seats:

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/abgeordnetenhauswahl/article1761332/Wahlergebnisse-und-Umfragen.html

Rinox
18-09-2011, 09:48 PM
It's 8.9% now for the Pirates, and the FDP (neoliberals) are definitely out of parliament. The counting is almost complete.

http://www.wahlen-berlin.de/

It looks like there won't be quite enough for a red-green coalition (which I would be pretty happy with), so it could get a little interesting.

No, that's wrong, red-green should have just enough seats:

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/abgeordnetenhauswahl/article1761332/Wahlergebnisse-und-Umfragen.html

Red-Green-Orange (Pirates) would be pretty great...

QuantaCat
18-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Heh, and even openly called pirates is really cool.

Anyhow, there are a tonne of good spokespeople for hackers and technologists, they just need to get these on board. (as they usually ask for sensical things, like privacy etc

TillEulenspiegel
18-09-2011, 11:46 PM
Red-Green-Orange (Pirates) would be pretty great...
If F'hain-Kreuzberg were representative of Berlin, Green-Left-Pirate would form a strong progressive majority.

Alas, we're not representative.

Vexing Vision
19-09-2011, 02:12 AM
We'll end up with a grand coalition between CDU and SPD. That won't tell any of you foreigners anything, but think American terms if the Democrats and Republicans suddenly both find themselves without the majority, and decide to form the government (not the opposition) together.

Yeah. It'll be as crap as that sounds. *sighs*

TillEulenspiegel
19-09-2011, 02:37 AM
Mal gucken. It would be a rather sharp change of direction for Wowereit to ally with the CDU. He's implied that it's dependent on how much the Greens are willing to compromise ("Es gibt ein paar harte Punkte, wo die Grünen sich eindeutig bekennen müssen, eine Politik für die Entwicklung dieser Stadt zu machen").

I'm never optimistic about politics, but a grand coalition would mean a lot of compromise from the SPD, when they'd probably have a more willing coalition partner in the Greens.

QuantaCat
19-09-2011, 10:19 AM
Ahhh, Berlin. SCHWELLENLAND!

NecroKnight
19-09-2011, 12:06 PM
This sounds rather interesting. Sehr gut.

TillEulenspiegel
19-09-2011, 02:45 PM
The Pirates were so unexpectedly successful, they don't even have enough candidates on the list to fill all the seats they won:

http://rbb-online.de/themen/dossiers/berlin_wahl_2011/wahl/nachrichten/piraten_leiden_doch.html

That's hilarious.

BobsLawnService
19-09-2011, 07:19 PM
Just in: 8,5% of the vote and in parliament! Not sure how many seats yet though. :)

Wow, I stand corrected.

Nalano
19-09-2011, 07:47 PM
Speaking as somebody who is not at all informed on this, it kinda sounds as if a political party actually managed to mobilize disaffected 20-somethings to vote, which would be something special indeed.

And in that frame of thought, I fully expect the Weed, XBox and BitTorrent Party to launch here to great success.

pmh
19-09-2011, 11:55 PM
Speaking as somebody who is not at all informed on this, it kinda sounds as if a political party actually managed to mobilize disaffected 20-somethings to vote, which would be something special indeed.

And in that frame of thought, I fully expect the Weed, XBox and BitTorrent Party to launch here to great success.

It helps that they're using mixed-member proportional representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_member_proportional_representation) rather than first-past-the-post/plurality.

Nalano
20-09-2011, 12:20 AM
It helps that they're using mixed-member proportional representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_member_proportional_representation) rather than first-past-the-post/plurality.

You euros and your parliaments...