WARNING: Contains cursing.

[QuantaCat]

What the motherfucking cock arse. Reading some random comment on the front page, yet another attack on the "integrity of the staff".

Are you people on drugs? This is RPS. I think its funny, thats why I read it. It also happens to be very informative and very if not EXTREMELY thorough.

People forget: if you have absolute journalistic freedom, which is what RPS has, and is lauded for it (oh find your own citation, fucktard), they can still do whatever the fuck they want. its absolute journalistic freedom. Absolute. Of course that at the same time detracts journalistic value and adds it again, because it offers a viewpoint which is biased. And because we want to have this viewpoint that is biased, we love it so much. (thats how I see it, anyways)

Fuck you, everyone that complains. I like RPS, and I hate you, not for "doubting" them, but for being fucking stupid.

That being out of the way, I vote we start a collection of common complaints that are completely baseless.

"Jim is taking moneys from the publishers to write good things about them" (btw, the only gaming news sites that do that, are the ones that are not RPS, with the exception of Penny Arcade, but they are actually a webcomic, even though they contribute a lot to the awareness of indie and mainstream games alike)

"THEY IGNORED THE COMMON COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS GAME, THEY MUST BE HORRIBLE AND/OR CORRUPT!"

"I cancelled my subscription because the news isnt pure anymore, there is more silly posts than serious ones. TAKE THAT YOU CORRUPT TRASH!"

[Rii]

I think the issue as such is that RPS has become too big for its own good on account of the rest of the gaming internets being full of fail and/or console gamers, which may or may not be a tautology. You get people coming here not because they like the hivemind's particular spin on things, but because even if they don't it's nonetheless the best site on the internets for generalist PC gaming coverage. These kinds of visitors want less 'flavour' and more 'respectability'.

There's nothing wrong with embracing subjectivity and idiosyncrasy in journalism, but it's the sort of thing you expect to see in more niche publications of the kind RPS started out as. The broader the audience the more those tasty rough edges tend to get smoothed away. Fox News has nothing on Free Republic, for example. Of course if the schism between the two types of RPS visitors becomes large enough that's just a market opportunity for someone to set up like-RPS-but-minus-the-being-witty-and-having-opinions-thing.com.

Note that the above is merely intended to be explanatory rather than prescriptive. I certainly wouldn't want to see RPS lose its particular RPS-ness even if I have disagreed with certain of the hivemind's positions and editorial practices on occasion.

[endintears]

Hear fucking hear.

[QuantaCat]

But the thing is, you could easily configure RPS to contain no silly posts whatsoever. You just need to know how tags and all that work. Ive never bothered with RSS feeds, because I dont read the news, in fact, the only "newssite" I watch is RPS.

Still, dont feel like cursing out the stupidity of certain people? arsecunts? (though that would be an affront to arses and cunts, which are both lovely.)

DAMNING DAMN AND A PINT OF DOUBLE DAMN.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCZE7zSsoY

[deano2099]

"Jim is taking moneys from the publishers to write good things about them" (btw, the only gaming news sites that do that, are the ones that are not RPS, with the exception of Penny Arcade, but they are actually a webcomic, even though they contribute a lot to the awareness of indie and mainstream games alike)
I don't think anyone actually does this. Not that 'coercion' doesn't go on, but it's more "give it a good review and you can break the embargo" or "savage our game and you won't be on the PR list for the next one". The idea that journos are literally on the take... I have a feeling it's happened probably twice. Once because someone thought it was a good idea, and once before because after that the internet decided it was common practice and some naive PR kid followed through.

I want to know where all these super-rich games journos are to be honest...

[arienette]

I want to know where all these super-rich games journos are to be honest...

They spend all that PR money on hiding how filthly rich they are.

[deano2099]

They spend all that PR money on hiding how filthly rich they are.
That makes Charlie Brooker the worst videogame journalist of all time!

[redox]

What the motherfucking cock arse. Reading some random comment on the front page, yet another attack on the "integrity of the staff".

Are you people on drugs? This is RPS. I think its funny, thats why I read it. It also happens to be very informative and very if not EXTREMELY thorough.

People forget: if you have absolute journalistic freedom, which is what RPS has, and is lauded for it (oh find your own citation, fucktard), they can still do whatever the fuck they want. its absolute journalistic freedom. Absolute. Of course that at the same time detracts journalistic value and adds it again, because it offers a viewpoint which is biased. And because we want to have this viewpoint that is biased, we love it so much. (thats how I see it, anyways)

Fuck you, everyone that complains. I like RPS, and I hate you, not for "doubting" them, but for being fucking stupid.

That being out of the way, I vote we start a collection of common complaints that are completely baseless.

"Jim is taking moneys from the publishers to write good things about them" (btw, the only gaming news sites that do that, are the ones that are not RPS, with the exception of Penny Arcade, but they are actually a webcomic, even though they contribute a lot to the awareness of indie and mainstream games alike)

"THEY IGNORED THE COMMON COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS GAME, THEY MUST BE HORRIBLE AND/OR CORRUPT!"

"I cancelled my subscription because the news isnt pure anymore, there is more silly posts than serious ones. TAKE THAT YOU CORRUPT TRASH!"

I'm pretty sure that everyone that reads RPS, posts in the comments or on the forums likes RPS mate.

As to your point about the "integrity of the staff", you could've posted the comment so that we could judge it.

Anyway, here's my take -
Some of you may want to listen to this first though? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btOyj3qM_Dk
(RPS, 0:35 - 0:50)

When From Dust was released, RPS posted two articles the following day -
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/from-dust-does-need-online-badly-ported/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/ubisoft-edits-forum-keeps-from-dust-drm/

When Red Orchestra 2 was released over a week ago, RPS posted this -
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/sound-the-horns-red-orchestra-2-released/

Over a week later, RPS let us know this -

"Last week’s launch of Red Orchestra 2: Heroes Of Stalingrad (http://www.heroesofstalingrad.com/) was a troubled one. With a seemingly overwhelming number of players reporting bugs and performance issues, it stumbled into commercial release still reeling from the flashbangs of development."
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/21/review-red-orchestra-2/



Take from that what you will. Some will take nothing.

[sinomatic]

Because there's nothing to take. Random insinuation of underhand dealings (without any proof) and your invisible calendar of when articles should and should not appear on a site you do not own...that's all you've got.

[redox]

Because there's nothing to take. Random insinuation of underhand dealings (without any proof) and your invisible calendar of when articles should and should not appear on a site you do not own...that's all you've got.

So you don't think it's odd that RPS posted this following the games release - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/sound-the-horns-red-orchestra-2-released/, and didn't include a single comment regarding the problems with the games launch?

They did and still do have Red Orchestra 2 ads on the site though.

I feel that I'll be banned if I keep mentioning that so I'm out.

[Vexing Vision]

To be honest, when I was still working at Codemasters a long, long time ago (but past the Darling-era), we did do some extremely shady deals with some websites and magazines.

There was never any money involved though, just the usual "If you want to get exclusives for the next big game we launch, you better up your score by 2 points before going to print".

These things happen. And that's why I like Rock Paper Shotgun, because they're one of the few sites and magazines that are absolutely beyond reproach, even when they were really, really small.

[Vexing Vision]

IN THE SAME VEIN: How Advertising On Websites Work

You have three different models. I'm not involved with dealing with UK audience anymore, so I don't know what RPS does or does not.

a) Rent for time. I rebrand your site, I pay you a lot of money, and in two weeks when the contract is up, I'm out.
b) Rent until clicks achieved. I put an add up your site, and I pay you for every unique user who clicks on it (occasionally, this turns into "I pay you for every user who visits my product and then does something, like registering"). This is the most common model with websites where you can see the branding switch when reloading.
c) Rent until a higher payer comes up. Ad-spaces are handled dynamically via hour/day basis. I pay you 10k€, and you (or rather, the demand) decides until when that's going to last me.

Ad-space providers can always decline ads if they are offensive or ill-suited. Though I'd love to see a pink barbie unicorn ad on RPS one day. But there isn't a single website I know that goes "Oh, today I want to make advertisement for Diablo 3". These things are driven by the company paying for the ad-space, and delivering the graphical assets and texting.

Not a single publisher I know (and I do know a few) puts any requests on any website they put an ad on, after the ad has been accepted by both parties, and because it's paid for in advance in one way or another, there's no way that RPS would suddenly lose ad money on this particular campaign when they start writing bad things about RO2.



Congratulations, you are now all qualified experts in games-advertisement!

[arienette]

Redox, are you aware of the discussion a while back surrounding Wot I Thinks. I believe the consensus was that people are happy for RPS take their sweet time over a review, it doesn't need to come out on launch day.

Are you also aware that the RPS crew don't actually handle the advertising themselves? I'm sure if there was something objectionable they could stop it, but all the advertising deals done were well before release.

[redox]

Redox, are you aware of the discussion a while back surrounding Wot I Thinks. I believe the consensus was that people are happy for RPS take their sweet time over a review, it doesn't need to come out on launch day.

Are you also aware that the RPS crew don't actually handle the advertising themselves? I'm sure if there was something objectionable they could stop it, but all the advertising deals done were well before release.

I'm not talking about a review arienette. Take a look at those From Dust articles that I posted above. They aren't reviews.

[sinomatic]

Redox, I think if you'd taken into account anything anyone else had said on this matter you wouldn't think it was odd either. Jim being on holiday. Articles not *always* being published immediately after release of a game (and sometimes, not at all). Games getting crappy reviews regardless of the site being splashed in an ad for it. The ads not even being controlled by RPS. And so on.

You clearly don't want to hear any evidence to the contrary of your theory, and at this point it seems the only thing the hivemind could do to appease you would to be invent time travel and post a week ago. I'm not sure what you even think you're achieving at this point, other than clogging up the forum.

And in response to the original post: the sad thing about all of this is that the RPS chaps have always seemed really open to corrections and constructive criticism, and would be happy to retract wrong statements etc. They're the good guys, and clearly have, and do, give a damn about what they write. I think Rii is fairly spot on with it relating to the influx of readers that came with the site's growing popularity - there are perhaps expectations for the site to be something that it's not (i.e. like other sites).

And thank god it's not.

[arienette]

We also have to put this into context, RO2 comes from an indie developer self-publishing and with a history of high quality post-release support. From what peopel have told me (haven't played it yet myself), it has a number of flaws but not enough to ruin it or stop it being fun.

From Dust came from a major publisher who should have the capacity to solve most issues before release, especially considering the game had already been out on consoles. Instead it came with issues that for many rendered the game unplayable, something not true with RO2. From Dust was also published by a company that seems to have a vendetta against PCs, making the issue more noteworthy.

[Grizzly]

All of the above has been mentioned at least three times...

[QuantaCat]

So in case anyone missed it: I put redox on my ignore list, and it was his thread before the comment on the frontpage, that is in part responsible for me putting this one up. I dont want to deal with that man, nor his logic. also please, PLEASE everyone. PLEASE. Ignore any comments about RO2. Jim. Was. On. Holiday. Weve cleared that already. Move on.


On the gamespot and ign are "on the take" comment: Didnt they throw someone out because he wrote such a destroying review of a game they had put so much advertising in?

But, to be perfectly clear, I want to steer away from this issue, as it was already cleared up. Some people just didnt listen.

What I am baffled by, however, is the "omg we wont pay anymore because rps has turned into teh sux"

What.

[arienette]

Jeff Gerstmann, back with Kane and Lynch. I don't think anyone knows what really happenned. But that seems to be the case. Luckily he's doing alright for himself.

[CuriousOrange]

I think the Wot I Think of RO2 should have shut up redox. But I also have him ignored now, so I can only wonder.

[sinister agent]

I think the issue as such is that RPS has become too big for its own good on account of the rest of the gaming internets being full of fail and/or console gamers, which may or may not be a tautology..

It isn't. Don't be such a bloody caveman. Some people play games. Some play them on anything, some play them exclusively on a PC or XBOX or whatever. There are just lots of people, not two tribes of 'console gamers' and 'pc gamers'. Format snobbery is idiotic.

[redox]

I think the Wot I Think of RO2 should have shut up redox. But I also have him ignored now, so I can only wonder.

"You're wasting your time" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nAMFWDuDEI

[Rii]

It isn't. Don't be such a bloody caveman. Some people play games. Some play them on anything, some play them exclusively on a PC or XBOX or whatever. There are just lots of people, not two tribes of 'console gamers' and 'pc gamers'. Format snobbery is idiotic.

Sense of humour please.

[Nalano]

It isn't. Don't be such a bloody caveman. Some people play games. Some play them on anything, some play them exclusively on a PC or XBOX or whatever. There are just lots of people, not two tribes of 'console gamers' and 'pc gamers'. Format snobbery is idiotic.

Spoken like one of those inferior console gamers.

[QuantaCat]

ehh heh eheh ehehhehehhheeh AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Rage. Its probably unfair, completely stupid, and arse fuck twat (is that a position in the kamasutra?) to make a thread just to hate someone else, but Im sure glad its there, and Im venting here instead of reporting everything CERTAIN people say. Even if it just says "this person is on your ignore list".

Also, in a clever edit to appear more useful, Im glad they changed the button from "donate" to "subscribe" or "support".

Or was it always like that? if so, then I vote they change it to "subscribe".

[Rossignol]

The thing that I don't understand, Redox, is if you are following the site so closely, then why can't you see how the other members of RPS have barely expressed any interested in multiplayer shooters, let alone RO2? They only tend to post what interests them, and RO2 definitely doesn't interest anyone who was posting last week. And I was away and therefore didn't post anything at all.

The simplest explanation to the lack of an RO2 post is this: that no one took any notice because I was on holiday. Why is corruption *more* likely?

[Lambchops]

C'mon now Jim, don't you remember when all those people criticised Notch for having a holiday? If developers aren't allowed to have holidays then journalists sure as hell aren't either!

Am I going to have to chain you to that inteertubes connected typewriter again?

[President Weasel]

wait, do the developers or publishers of Red Orchestra have any money? I know RPS journalists could be easily bribed by the offer of, say, a nice new pair of comfy slippers from Marks and Spencer and a pack of custard creams (again from Marks and Spencer, got to push the boat out for bribery), but as a relatively small independent developer who are self-publishing I would have thought it was more likely they'd be spending their money trying to keep the lights on and the staff paid until the next game.

(they are self-publishing, right? I didn't make that up?)

[Kodeen]

C'mon now Jim, don't you remember when all those people criticised Notch for having a holiday? If developers aren't allowed to have holidays then journalists sure as hell aren't either!


Hey, I got Minecraft for half off because of that vacation. I don't remember getting anything for Mr. Rossignol's vacation, however. What the hell.

[ColOfNature]

Yeah, Jim. Break out the duty free and we'll say no more about it, eh?

[deano2099]

To be honest, when I was still working at Codemasters a long, long time ago (but past the Darling-era), we did do some extremely shady deals with some websites and magazines.

There was never any money involved though, just the usual "If you want to get exclusives for the next big game we launch, you better up your score by 2 points before going to print".

These things happen. And that's why I like Rock Paper Shotgun, because they're one of the few sites and magazines that are absolutely beyond reproach, even when they were really, really small.

I kind of get the feeling that PC Gaming in the space it is now, and the huge success of RPS against all odds (honestly when it started I was convinced it wouldn't last a year) that getting coverage on here is probably more important to 95% of publishers than covering their game is to RPS...

[Stevo]

The only thing I don't like with RPS is that sometimes when comparing two articles for two similar products they can be very forgiving to Product A which still has bugs etc and horribly unforgiving to Product B which also has bugs.

[Auspex]

Hey, I got Minecraft for half off because of that vacation. I don't remember getting anything for Mr. Rossignol's vacation, however. What the hell.

All non-subscribers got all the RPS subscriber emails that week.

[deano2099]

The only thing I don't like with RPS is that sometimes when comparing two articles for two similar products they can be very forgiving to Product A which still has bugs etc and horribly unforgiving to Product B which also has bugs.

Are you not like that though? I'll forgive flaws in some things but not others depending on how good the other bits are..

[QuantaCat]

Are you not like that though? I'll forgive flaws in some things but not others depending on how good the other bits are..

And again, bringing me to my first point: RPS is biased. Yes it is. I like it that they are. The at the same time silliness, biasedness (ie. taste) and investigative reportingness makes me love it. How can someone not see that?

It's like thinking Apple sell computers. No, my nonfriend, they sell style.

[redox]

The thing that I don't understand, Redox, is if you are following the site so closely, then why can't you see how the other members of RPS have barely expressed any interested in multiplayer shooters, let alone RO2? They only tend to post what interests them, and RO2 definitely doesn't interest anyone who was posting last week. And I was away and therefore didn't post anything at all.

The simplest explanation to the lack of an RO2 post is this: that no one took any notice because I was on holiday. Why is corruption *more* likely?

Jim, I don't care if other forum members are interested in multiplayer shooters/RO2 or not. I am.
Red O x (x isn't a kiss btw :) )

[Cable]

he meant the other writers, so that's why nothing was written on it.

[redox]

he meant the other writers, so that's why nothing was written on it.

Well John posted an article on it (which links to a piece by Alec) - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/11/23/conducting-war-red-orchestra-2-pics/

He also posted this last week - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/sound-the-horns-red-orchestra-2-released/

[DigitalSignalX]

RPS is of course biased, and it's just fine. That bias and more importantly, their considerable experience in the industry supporting that bias is why we love and follow the site so closely. As it has grown, obviously a vocal minority of the readership will emerge on all manner of silly issues, but at the heart, the sites writers have maintained their approach. We all may disagree with them at some point (my big upset was their WIT of FO:NV) but I still respect their opinions nonetheless. In the end, they're not telling *you* what or how to think. We're free not to visit the site, not to subscribe, and we continue to be free to openly disagree with them in forums and comments. That last is often more then many other game sites will allow.

[thegooseking]

Is it meaningful to say that someone is 'biased' on issues that are inherently subjective in the first place?

[sinister agent]

Sense of humour please.

NEVER.

I mean, ah. I apologise. Forgive me - you know there are people who hover around RPS and other sites who really do say and mean things like that without humourous intent. I know not what I do.

[sinister agent]

The simplest explanation to the lack of an RO2 post is this: that no one took any notice because I was on holiday. Why is corruption *more* likely?

ROSSIGNOL SLAMS RPS STAFF: "I do all the bloody work on RPS"

SHOCK! MORE ON PAGES 3,4,5,6,8,9,10

[Nalano]

It's like thinking Apple sell computers. No, my nonfriend, they sell style.

Apple users are rugged, artistic individuals! Which is why Apple products are delicate, only seem to come in off-white and grey, and can most commonly be spotted in a certain national coffee chain also known for selling 'image.'

[QuantaCat]

Apple users are rugged, artistic individuals! Which is why Apple products are delicate, only seem to come in off-white and grey, and can most commonly be spotted in a certain national coffee chain also known for selling 'image.'

..and has software with bugs that have been reported ages ago but they cant be bothered to fix it. Just like Final Cut was sentenced to death, really. Let's see how the new one turns out, so far, so horrible.

[deano2099]

Well John posted an article on it (which links to a piece by Alec) - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/11/23/conducting-war-red-orchestra-2-pics/

He also posted this last week - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/sound-the-horns-red-orchestra-2-released/

Right, when it comes to games journalism, doing a news piece is a lot lot quicker than doing a review. Because for a review you have to play it. Which means you have to be interested in it. Because it's ten hours or more of your time. A news piece is a bit of research and can be done in half an hour. Huge difference.

Yes, they could have run a news piece about the bugs, but if they did they'd just link to other reports of bugs along with reports from some people saying it's fine (if there are any) and point out that they haven't played it so don't have an opinion, because they care about good journalism that way.

And I'd bet my left testicle that had they done that you'd be on here complaining that they hadn't taken a strong enough stance against the bugs like some other sites, and is that because there is advertising? And they're corrupt because they haven't done a proper review, etc, etc.

If you want a website that just writes the things you agree with, you should probably go and write it.

[Rii]

NEVER.

I mean, ah. I apologise. Forgive me - you know there are people who hover around RPS and other sites who really do say and mean things like that without humourous intent. I know not what I do.

It's funny because on the main page I just got accused of being a shill from consoleland. xD

[arienette]

ROSSIGNOL SLAMS RPS STAFF: "I do all the bloody work on RPS"

SHOCK! MORE ON PAGES 3,4,5,6,8,9,10

On page 3? *shudder*

[sinister agent]

On page 3? *shudder*

Alec, from Bath, 36-26-34, thinks that VAT should not be altered this year.

[Mihkel]

What's going on now?

[QuantaCat]

madness.

Also, cursing at annoying people.

[redox]

Right, when it comes to games journalism, doing a news piece is a lot lot quicker than doing a review. Because for a review you have to play it. Which means you have to be interested in it. Because it's ten hours or more of your time. A news piece is a bit of research and can be done in half an hour. Huge difference.

Yes, they could have run a news piece about the bugs, but if they did they'd just link to other reports of bugs along with reports from some people saying it's fine (if there are any) and point out that they haven't played it so don't have an opinion, because they care about good journalism that way.

And I'd bet my left testicle that had they done that you'd be on here complaining that they hadn't taken a strong enough stance against the bugs like some other sites, and is that because there is advertising? And they're corrupt because they haven't done a proper review, etc, etc.

If you want a website that just writes the things you agree with, you should probably go and write it.

Not a bad idea. How about - http://www.rockpaperdouble-barrelledshotgun.com ?

[Jorum]

Not a bad idea. How about - http://www.rockpaperdouble-barrelledshotgun.com ?
How about something less annoying?
Besides RPS would probably have fine legal grounds for making you change that name if they wanted to, same product in same industry with substantial chance of consumer confusion.

[redox]

How about something less annoying?
Besides RPS would probably have fine legal grounds for making you change that name if they wanted to, same product in same industry with substantial chance of consumer confusion.

But double-barrelled shotgun beats shotgun!

[arienette]

How about something less annoying?
Besides RPS would probably have fine legal grounds for making you change that name if they wanted to, same product in same industry with substantial chance of consumer confusion.

Unless, like this thread, you turn it into a parody.

[Jorum]

Unless, like this thread, you turn it into a parody.
bravo..............................

[Kodeen]

But double-barrelled shotgun beats shotgun!

Triple barreled shotgun beats double barreled shotgun. And a pi barreled shotgun beats that.

[Vexing Vision]

I could go for a pie-gun right now.

[Daiv]

Alec, from Bath, 36-26-34, thinks that VAT should not be altered this year.

But VATS should. More colours than green, I say!

[redox]

Triple barreled shotgun beats double barreled shotgun. And a pi barreled shotgun beats that.

Mmmm? Eye don't follow? Never heard of a pi barrelled shotgun.

But, if you love Doom mods, you'd have heard of the quadruple barrelled shotgun. Yep. It exists. It's a real thing!!! See below.

Legacy of Suffering. This mod is one of the best - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uj4qDB30dE

[Nalano]

Mmmm? Eye don't follow? Never heard of a pi barrelled shotgun.

You've clearly missed out in some good math/apple-filled stuffing.

[redox]

You've clearly missed out in some good math/apple-filled stuffing.

Nope. Don't think so. Math is my middle name and apple-filled stuffing is my mistress. No, wait, that's wrong.

Nope. Don't think so. Math is my middle name and apple-filled pi is my mistress. I'll go with that but it's not really what I was going for.

DVD Out-takes -
Nope. Don't think so. Apple-filled pi is my middle name and math is my mistress. Nope. Lost it.
Nope. My mistress loves apple-filled pi and I am her mistress.
Nope. Math and apple-filled pi can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves!
Nope. I stuffed an apple full of pi once. The apple was my mistress!

Nah. It's gone. I know what I wanted to say but I just can't put it into words. Do you know what I mean?

[Nalano]

Nope. Don't think so. Math is my middle name and apple-filled stuffing is my mistress. No, wait, that's wrong.

Nope. Don't think so. Math is my middle name and apple-filled pi is my mistress. I'll go with that but it's not really what I was going for.

DVD Out-takes -
Nope. Don't think so. Apple-filled pi is my middle name and math is my mistress. Nope. Lost it.
Nope. My mistress loves apple-filled pi and I am her mistress.
Nope. Math and apple-filled pi can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves!
Nope. I stuffed an apple full of pi once. The apple was my mistress!

Nah. It's gone. I know what I wanted to say but I just can't put it into words. Do you know what I mean?

Dedicated to redox, a play in three acts; written by yours truly, Nalano:

Act 1:

Fuck you, Bacardi. YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME

Act 2:

...you know I love you Bacardi; now give me some'a that lovin

Act 3:

Aww yeah, that's right, smoochie smoochie HURRRRRK

[redox]

For you, a play in three acts; written by yours truly, Nalano:

Act 1:

Fuck you, Bacardi. YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME

Act 2:

...you know I love you Bacardi; now give me some'a that lovin

Act 3:

Aww yeah, that's right, smoochie smoochie HURRRRRK

Have you been drinking?

[Nalano]

Have you been drinking?

A more pertinent question is: Have you?

/10char

[redox]

A more pertinent question is: Have you?

/10char

Not yet.
90

[Nalano]

Not yet.
90

Then I must ask, because I have been drinking:

Why is it that I make more sense than you?

[redox]

Then I must ask, because I have been drinking:

Why is it that I make more sense than you?

You brought up the whole apple-filled stuffing thing, remember?
*slaps Nalano ever so slightly on the cheeks (of his face)*
*shouting* Remember Nalano? The apple-filled stuffing?

Remember the time (in this thread) when I questioned you on the whole apple-filled stuffing thing?

[Nalano]

You brought up the whole apple-filled stuffing thing, remember?
*slaps Nalano ever so slightly on the cheeks (of his face)*
*shouting* Remember Nalano? The apple-filled stuffing?

Remember the time (in this thread) when I questioned you on the whole apple-filled stuffing thing?

In other words, you don't know; do you?

[redox]

In other words, you don't know; do you?

Don't know what?

[Nalano]

Don't know what?

Exactly.

10char

[redox]

Exactly.

10char

Sorry.

Don't know what exactly?

[ColOfNature]

I fear this thread has gone a little off course.

[sinister agent]

This is what happens when you leave us unsupervised, rps.

[Rossignol]

Okay, that's enough.