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Rii
22-09-2011, 04:43 AM
As someone who's been on the lookout for a while now for a mechanical keyboard that strikes a balance between IBM Model M blandness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard) and Razer ricer shit (http://au.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards/mechanical/razer-blackwidow-ultimate/) whilst costing less than a Ferrari, Corsair's recent announcement of its Vengeance (http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-gaming/vengeance-gaming-keyboards.html) line of mechanical gaming keyboards (and assorted other stuffs of little interest to your humble narrator) was enough to send me to my happy place:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5543/k60topusr2.png (http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-gaming/vengeance-gaming-keyboards/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html)

There's an 'MMO' model with backlighting and macro capabilities too.

Anyone else been in the market for a keyboard recently?

JohnnyK
22-09-2011, 07:59 AM
Have you bought it yet? I'm still using the Model M (and I have 2 or 3 currently non-working ones for spare parts) but would love a keyboard that gives me the typing feeling of the M along with some nice features. Looks like the Vengeance is not available in continental Europe yet though (I need a German layout).
I tried a G15 once and just couldn't get used to the keys...

Rii
22-09-2011, 10:42 AM
^ The line-up was only announced a few days ago, I don't think they're available anywhere yet.

It's a pity that Logitech doesn't do mechanical keyboards as I get on quite well with their mice.

JohnnyK
22-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Ah, I checked my favourite price comparison site and saw it listed for overclockers UK, but checking their shop now shows end of October as a potential availability date. Looks like a potential birthday gift for myself then.

soldant
22-09-2011, 01:53 PM
I really don't have any suggestions except to say that mechanical keyboards are the best and I applaud your choice.

That wrist pad thing looks kind of uncomfortable though...

Rii
22-09-2011, 06:08 PM
^ Reports from those who've used it (albeit briefly I imagine) are that it's pretty comfortable, but it's removable in any case. The red/textured keys can be swapped for regular keys (supplied) also.

Engadget has a little hands-on (http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/corsair-vengeance-gaming-keyboards-mice-and-headsets-hands-on/) video.

DarkNoghri
23-09-2011, 01:55 AM
Yeah, I saw these recently. Looks good, very good. Aluminum build with mechanical switches (always wanted to try those), and it's hopefully not going to break the bank. If I ever upgrade from my generic Dell keyboard, I would consider one of these.

Vexing Vision
23-09-2011, 11:25 AM
Any ideas of the price range? I am, indeed, shopping around for a new keyboard.

Also, localized or US only? Us Germans do have a significant amount of much cooler keys. *ahem*

Also, can I disable the fucking Windows key by keyboard default? (All of my keyboards have the key mechanically removed since it popped up the first time around 1999).

ComradePenguin
23-09-2011, 12:36 PM
That Engadget link above states $99 for the K60 and $129 for the K90. There's a windows key lock and the keys are interchangeable which should make localised versions easier.

I also need a new keyboard but I'll wait on UK pricing. May be a bit out my comfort zone.

JohnnyK
23-09-2011, 01:18 PM
@Vexing - I contacted Corsair about the German layout and availability in the EU. Hope they get back to me soon.

Vexing Vision
23-09-2011, 02:05 PM
99$ is very reasonable (the day I need macros for my MMOs is the day I'll stop playing PC games), and if the keys are standardized, I should be able to grab new caps.


/Edit: Oops, wait. No mechanical click? Ugh. What's the point of having a mechanical keyboard then if you don't feel the keypress?

JohnnyK
23-09-2011, 06:46 PM
Yes it will be available in Germany. Availability around Mid October. Pricing is depends on reseller and yes handrest can move easily from K60.
That is a direct quote, so all of those typos and grammatical errors are the sole property of Corsair.

squareking
23-09-2011, 10:31 PM
That looks quite fantastic. I'm not sure how I'd get along with mech keys -- I've only used them briefly, many years ago.

Been in the market for a nice keyboard for a while, though. I'd prefer the following:

+ Somewhere between that IBM everyboard and LULZ GAM3R look, preferably light on the latter
+ Black on black
+ Blue backlighting (teehee)
+ Rolling volume control & media buttons would be great
+ Less than 100 American smackers

Don't really need:

- Macros
- Crazy handrests
- LCD displays

Closest I can find wot fits the majority of those is the Logitech G110. MS Sidewinder x4 is close, but it ain't blue, dammit. Keyboard MUST match the tower! D:

duff
24-09-2011, 02:53 AM
That wrist pad looks really comfy.

Rii
25-09-2011, 09:19 AM
/Edit: Oops, wait. No mechanical click? Ugh. What's the point of having a mechanical keyboard then if you don't feel the keypress?

From a Corsair rep over at OC.net (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/1117848-corsair-cherry-mx-red-gamer-boards-7.html):



Feel free to argue in this thread about "what is the best gaming Switch" with the Steelseries rep (in the Black MX corner) and the Razer rep (in the Cherry MX corner). I assume you'd back Red MX.I'm not going to argue with those guys on whether blacks or reds or blues or browns are best when you guys will settle that argument pretty soon with your wallets.

To be honest, the red ones are nice for gaming, especially FPS gaming, because of the low actuation force required and the ability to double or triple tap very easily. But for typing, the blue ones are more clicky and give a lot more feedback. Since these are gaming keyboards, so we felt reds were the best solution.

But like I said, I could justify it a hundred different ways, at the end of the day you guys will let us know if we got it right nor not.

More serious is the fact that apparently the Function keys (and others along the same row) are rubber dome rather than mechanical switches. Ouch. I think I'll sit this one out and wait on the next revision which will hopefully feature a tenkeyless version.

Been seeing a lot of these 'promising but not quite good enough' products of late, Apple's new Cinema Display being another one. Another two revisions (one to rectify the flaws in the current model, another to integrate 802.11ac when those chipsets hit the market) and that should be right. xD

Nova
25-09-2011, 01:16 PM
If you don't need function keys, backlighting or any of the other fancy stuff then I can recommend this piece of keyboard brilliance (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=805).

Compact, but no notebook layout, ten-keyless, n-key rollover, cherry MX.
(Also available in different language layouts)

Rii
25-09-2011, 02:37 PM
^ Yeah the last time I had a look around for mech keyboards that was the best one I came up with. Alas it's a little too plain for my tastes.

Lukasz
25-09-2011, 07:13 PM
90 pounds plus tax for a keyboard?

now that's some ricer stuff :)

Wolfenswan
25-09-2011, 09:49 PM
I've always fancied the steelseries (http://steelseries.com/products/keyboards).

Slick, simple locking mechanical keyboards. (The gaudy MMO keyboards obviously not, ignore them.)

ezekiel2517
25-09-2011, 10:57 PM
I suppose this is the place to ask: anyone who has wrists pain now and then has find a gaming keyboard that will help? I've yet to find an ergonomic gaming keyboard. I have a normal one from Microsoft, but I always had problems, like holding CTRL and pressing 2 more keys at the same time makes you have to let go and press again.

Nova
26-09-2011, 04:33 PM
90 pounds plus tax for a keyboard?

now that's some ricer stuff :)

Well you don't have to buy another one, probably ever. Not to mention how expensive some non-mechanical gaming keyboards are.

@ezekiel2517
Have you tried one of those "natural" keyboards or a curved one?

Estel
26-09-2011, 05:08 PM
Given the love around here for Mechanical keyboards, I'm surprised there hasn't been more said of the Das Keyboard: http://www.daskeyboard.com/ which is super sexy.

For myself, I doubt much will switch me away from my Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. It's by many orders of magnitude the most comfortable keyboard that I've ever used.

ezekiel2517
26-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Well you don't have to buy another one, probably ever. Not to mention how expensive some non-mechanical gaming keyboards are.

@ezekiel2517
Have you tried one of those "natural" keyboards or a curved one?
The one I had was curved, but like I said, you can't press more than 3 keys at a time. It was a mess when I used to play an MMO competitively but my wrists never hurt, unlike now.

JohnnyK
20-12-2011, 12:37 PM
Given the love around here for Mechanical keyboards, I'm surprised there hasn't been more said of the Das Keyboard: http://www.daskeyboard.com/ which is super sexy.
I'm seriously considering this now, although it is rather pricey.
What I could not find is any info on whether the Windows-key can be disabled...
Also, torn between the blue and brown switches; as said above I use a Model M now, so I lean towards blue, but brown seems to need a little less force and still click (just not as loud), so this might be better suited for me. (my fingers are not the strongest anymore).

Any thoughts?

Rii
20-12-2011, 02:35 PM
The Ducky Shine (http://www.mechkeyboards.com/shine.html) is another recent model to garner community interest and its Windows keys can be disabled, albeit inelegantly. (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:21007)

JohnnyK
20-12-2011, 03:46 PM
THe Ducky uses Cherry black switches - not my cup of tea

lasikbear
20-12-2011, 05:03 PM
@JohnnyK, the second link shows the ducky available with blue black and brown switches, but its also sold out of everything but blue and black with red backlight.

Been thinking about finally getting a new keyboard, been using super cheap one I got for free and its pretty terrible. The Das Keyboard is $30 over my arbitrary limit, but then again, it is a very arbitrary limit.

JohnnyK
20-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Thanks, I missed that for some reason; however, the Ducky seems to be really hard to get in Europe (same with Filco Majestouch); at least DasKeyboard is available from a German online shop, albeit for 130€.

kyrieee
21-12-2011, 02:25 AM
If you don't need function keys, backlighting or any of the other fancy stuff then I can recommend this piece of keyboard brilliance (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=805).

Compact, but no notebook layout, ten-keyless, n-key rollover, cherry MX.
(Also available in different language layouts)

I have a Filco, but not a tenkeyless and with browns instead of blues. Had some problems with one switch that I think I've sorted, but other than that it's a really great kb and I love the simple design of it. No stupid extra buttons or glowing shit.

JohnnyK
21-12-2011, 07:24 AM
Got a reply from DasKeyboard
* Windows key cannot be disabled; I don't use left Alt when gaming, so I am not sure if this would become a problem, but that still makes me hesitant
* they strongly suggest the blue switches if you come from a Model M like I do

JohnnyK
30-12-2011, 03:25 PM
Well, I just installed a Razer BlackWidow (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_GB/pd/productID.210871300/categoryId.35156900) (standard edition). First impressions:
* the Cherry MX Blue feel noticeably different from my Model M, but give good typing feedback
* the character designs on the keys are weird and a little hard to make out, but I'm good enough at typing for that not to matter much

Bought from amazon, so I have 2 weeks to try it. Will post more in a few days.
My first keyboard with a Windows key, that's how old-skool I used to be...

sabrage
30-12-2011, 05:23 PM
My Das Keyboard should be here later today (unless I'm misunderstanding UPS' package tracker,) so I'll update this with pictures and impressions when it arrives.

Well my camera is being uncooperative, but suffice it to say this keyboard is amazing. What surprised me the most is that the keyboard probably weighs a good 4-5 pounds... It really feels like it's built to last.

Snargelfargen
04-01-2012, 08:52 PM
I've had my eyes on one keyboard for quite a while now: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58823&vpn=MEG005US&manufacture=Thermaltake

It actually looks practical! No backlighting, no extra plastic bits, black switches (Which, if I remember correctly are "clacky" but don't provide a great deal of resistance), 2 usb 2.0 ports and also audio in/out ports.

The extra ports are a huge plus, as I usually have my case tucked away and I have never found a usb hub/audio hub that doesn't slide all over the place. Really the only reason I haven't gotten it yet is that the cheapo Dell keyboard I found in a box at my parents' house refuses to break.
Edit: Oh and no left windows key. Yarr, today may be the day I "accidentally" spill coffee on my keyboard.

JohnnyK
04-01-2012, 10:48 PM
The Windows key issue seems overblown to me after a few days with my BlackWidow; I constantly forget to turn it off when gaming, but I have yet to hit it even once during a game.
I do not use Left Alt though, so maybe that's what's saving me.

MaxNormal
05-01-2012, 02:09 AM
The windows key thing is not an issue with my steelseries 7g as they have a steelseries function key in the place of the left windows button to access volume control etc when you press it in combination with the function (F1-6) keys. It took a little while to get used to using the right hand windows button instead but at least it is impossible to window out of FPS games when I'm playing them. I used to physically remove the left windows keys of my old keyboards after crashing out of them too often (especially Counterstrike)...

Mechanical keyboards are very nice, I actually bought another one for work after getting used to the 7g at home.

Rii
07-01-2012, 01:48 PM
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6141/filcomajestouchtenkeyle.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/filcomajestouchtenkeyle.jpg/)


Five years I would've thought this was the bees knees. Today, well, it's still one of the more appealing compromises between IBM Model M blandness and Razer ricer shit that I've come across in the mechanical keyboard world. Plus tenkeyless.

Hmm...

Nova
07-01-2012, 03:54 PM
That's my board just without the camouflage (and German layout). Meaning, it is available in just black (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_big.asp?PRODUCT=805).

Rii
07-01-2012, 03:58 PM
That's my board just without the camouflage (and German layout). Meaning, it is available in just black (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_big.asp?PRODUCT=805).

The black version is just a tad on the bland side for my tastes. Yeah, I know, I know...

Jhoosier
07-01-2012, 11:37 PM
I've spent all morning looking for a mechanical keyboard. Like some of the people above, I'm looking for a very specific type:

-backlighting
-media keys
-usb hub, audio/mic jacks
-brown switches, because they're a little quieter than blues

The closest thing I've found is the X-armor: http://www.ergogeek.com/xarmor-u9bl-s-led-backlit-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html but they don't seem to be on sale anymore. The big sticking point seems to be either the backlighting (since I often game at night) or the audio jacks. I don't suppose anyone here has any suggestions? I'm in Japan, so Filco seems to be fairly common, but getting anything else will probably be difficult.

I'm willing to give up the media keys and usb/audio stuff if there's another peripheral that can do that. I've seen something by Griffin (sp?) that can control volume. Hmm, it's all fairly complicated, unfortunately.

Snargelfargen
08-01-2012, 08:22 AM
The Windows key issue seems overblown to me after a few days with my BlackWidow; I constantly forget to turn it off when gaming, but I have yet to hit it even once during a game.
I do not use Left Alt though, so maybe that's what's saving me.

I used to panic and mash buttons indiscriminately when stuff surprised me in games, so I can understand why people like it. I've gotten over it now, but as a kid it was so bad I had to construct a little lego hat on top of the escape key, as I would hit it by mistake, and then almost instantly click on the "escape" button conveniently located in the center of the screen. That ruined more than a few afternoons of Diablo 2.

Nova
08-01-2012, 09:03 AM
@Jhoosier

Have you looked at the Razor Black Widow Ultimate (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.211651300)?

JohnnyK
25-01-2012, 09:00 AM
PSA: The Black Widow does not like beer... I spilled a bit last night and ruined it after I've had it for less than a month. I ordered a new one and am back on my Model M fpr the time being.
I'll probably take the dead Black Widow apart once I get the new one and will try to clean it with distilled water. Maybe I can salvage it...

sabrage
25-01-2012, 02:23 PM
I'll probably take the dead Black Widow apart once I get the new one and will try to clean it with distilled water. Maybe I can salvage it...
For beer (or anything sticky) I would recommend rubbing alcohol. However, if you spilled beer on it while it was in use you probably shorted the board and there's not much you can do besides pawn off the keycaps. Still worth a try though.

JohnnyK
25-01-2012, 03:53 PM
I doubt it's shorted; stuff like NumLock still work correctly, I can also eg. use Ctrl+N to open a new browser window (the Ctrl-key is stuck though).
At least insurance is picking up half of the price, so that's a smal consolation.