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rsherhod
14-11-2011, 12:15 PM
The trouble with video games isn't the violence. It's that most of the characters are dicks. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/13/charlie-brooker-modern-warfare-3)

Althea
14-11-2011, 12:25 PM
Well, takes one to know one.

rsherhod
14-11-2011, 03:31 PM
:O How very dare you!

Mohorovicic
14-11-2011, 04:07 PM
Read the subtitle below the screenshot, left immediately.

alh_p
14-11-2011, 04:15 PM
On the one hand I'd struggle to disagree with the great Charlie Brooker on this, especially on the subject of COD:MW or most contemporary shooters. But on the other, i find it odd that he might let himself be seen to join the games are bad (hmckuy) brigade, given his background.

Then again, the story and sense of shooters is almost invariably a crock of peurile shit.

pakoito
14-11-2011, 04:16 PM
*Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag*

Cooper
14-11-2011, 04:18 PM
He's not in the 'games are bad' camp. He's clearly taking a shot at the boring cliche of masculinity portrayed in the CoD-like franchises. He has a point, but his target is easy.

I just feel for the teenagers out there who may be stupid enough not to see this nonsense for what it is. Judging by the pathetic posturing on public servers, I worry.

The JG Man
14-11-2011, 04:19 PM
i find it odd that he might let himself be seen to join the games are bad (hmckuy) brigade, given his background.

From his Twitter earlier:

charltonbrooker Charlie Brooker
Some commenters on my MW3 piece think it's an anti-games piece. It's not; neither would a sarky review of Transformers be 'anti-film'.

Bhazor
14-11-2011, 06:18 PM
Alot of people missing the point here.
This isn't anti games violence.
This is anti-bullshit game violence.

metalangel
14-11-2011, 06:55 PM
I'm getting really fed up with people, be they professional journalists or otherwise, declaring that any story involving a group of men is 'homo-erotic'. This is the latest example, but Gears of War is the favourite, many a hilarious comment about 'gay space marines' has been made over the last five years (happy birthday Gears). It doesn't matter that Dom is married, or that Marcus and Anya are in love but unable to openly pursue their relationship due to regs regarding enlisted/officer fraternization. Marcus and Dom are obviously gay, as are Cole and Baird.

It certainly isn't because the commenter is at all jealous and wishes he was a big, strong alpha male who is nigh-on invincible in battle.

If you're a man, especially a soldier in peak physical condition, and you've forged a close bond with your squadmates through the horrors and peril you've experienced and survived together, you're actually gay for each other. In fact, any man who has close male friends had better be careful he doesn't become too attached and show any of those unmasculine emotions towards his chums lest they become bumchums, eh? It should be all beer, bitches, sport, and physical contact limited to slapping each other heartily on the back, no more than three times every fifteen minutes.

/rant

(yes, this is a whole other thread of discussion. I am not a crackpot)

Kadayi
14-11-2011, 07:02 PM
Personally I'm impressed with him referencing Tom of Finland. I must admit I'll never be able to look at Captain Price in the same way again.

Nalano
14-11-2011, 07:17 PM
I'm getting really fed up with people, be they professional journalists or otherwise, declaring that any story involving a group of men is 'homo-erotic'. This is the latest example, but Gears of War is the favourite, many a hilarious comment about 'gay space marines' has been made over the last five years (happy birthday Gears). It doesn't matter that Dom is married, or that Marcus and Anya are in love but unable to openly pursue their relationship due to regs regarding enlisted/officer fraternization. Marcus and Dom are obviously gay, as are Cole and Baird.

Dude.

Gears of War is gun porn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GunPorn). Modern Warfare is not a contemplative reaction to our foreign wars and what it means to be a soldier in arms. It is Tom Clancy gun porn.

Thus, the endless succession of buff manly men shooting ever-larger ordnance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSwKpbGZe5Y) is erotic. And since there are no women or so much as a remote whiff of femininity, it is homoerotic.

pakoito
14-11-2011, 07:20 PM
GoW is a story of bromances and I enjoy how much they all love each other without the need of gross sex scenes.

metalangel
14-11-2011, 07:27 PM
Dude.

Gears of War is gun porn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GunPorn). Modern Warfare is not a contemplative reaction to our foreign wars and what it means to be a soldier in arms. It is Tom Clancy gun porn.

Thus, the endless succession of buff manly men shooting ever-larger ordnance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSwKpbGZe5Y) is erotic. And since there are no women or so much as a remote whiff of femininity, it is homoerotic.


Don't play into the hands of this bullshit like that. Do you play think people play shooters because they're secretly gay, and like nothing more than guns and having sex with other men, even if they're not prepared to admit it openly yet? If I'm wrong please say now because it sounds like you agree, that men can't ever be much beyond louts who barely tolerate one another except in the pursuit of alcohol and women if they're genuinely heterosexual.

There's three female soldiers in Gears now, there should be more to come if they keep expanding on the universe from the comics and books.

Yes, CoD is stupid gung ho bullshit. Yes, Gears is all about chainsawing things in half with gigantic guns that would almost be too heavy to lift. Neither of these things are 'gay'.

Nalano
14-11-2011, 07:36 PM
Yes, CoD is stupid gung ho bullshit. Yes, Gears is all about chainsawing things in half with gigantic guns that would almost be too heavy to lift. Neither of these things are 'gay'.

Methinks you're just suffering from penis envy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnK8_KJcmWg&t=2m3s).

metalangel
14-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Methinks you're just suffering from penis envy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnK8_KJcmWg&t=2m3s).

If you don't want to try and debate this why not just be quiet instead of resorting to insults? I think there's a genuine issue with this whole 'OMFG it's so gay' thing.

pakoito
14-11-2011, 07:53 PM
If you don't want to try and debate this why not just be quiet instead of resorting to insults? I think there's a genuine issue with this whole 'OMFG it's so gay' thing.
Have you ever watched Scrubs or Community?

Nalano
14-11-2011, 07:54 PM
If you don't want to try and debate this why not just be quiet instead of resorting to insults? I think there's a genuine issue with this whole 'OMFG it's so gay' thing.

Dude.

You're missing the argument. It's right there. We associate over-masculinity with homoeroticism because the examples that provided the historical context we have for over-masculinity - Roman legionnaires, Spartan hoplites - were also famous for their pederasty. It doesn't take much, seeing two men wrestling nude in the Olympics, coupled with their shared contempt for women, to make the connection.

The JG Man
14-11-2011, 08:30 PM
metalangel, have you ever watched Top Gun?

Also, you can do bromances/tightly-formed bonds well without making it ridiculously homoerotic. A lot of these games fail in approaching this well. I'd say it's a 'game' thing, but it's a writing thing and you get the same in some films or TV shows or whatever (hence the Top Gun example). That being said, Nalano is correct, a lot of these games are just gun porn and people like looking at what have become lethal toys.

Take Space Marine; a necessary tight-bond between the main characters, yet there is absolutely no hint of homoeroticism. It's just not there at all, yet there are so many sequences in Gears or other titles where it's such a clear undertone, intended or not.

metalangel
14-11-2011, 08:43 PM
All I'm trying to say is that all those examples you've all given above (which are all valid) don't mean it's always true. Otherwise it's gay until proven straight.

Cooper
14-11-2011, 09:04 PM
If you're a man, especially a soldier in peak physical condition, and you've forged a close bond with your squadmates through the horrors and peril you've experienced and survived together, you're actually gay for each other.

Gears of war characters are not "soldiers in peak physical condition who've forged close bonds with their squadmates"
They are -characters-

The piss being taken out of Gears etc. is because the characters, their emotions, their expressions and their context ring hollow.

I love it that you feel so strongly for what, at the end of the day, is nonsense space opera tosh. But it is just tosh.
What I find hilarious is the sincerity with which the tosh is peddled.

The homoeroticism is there BECAUSE the writers failed to make the manner in which the characters express what should be complex emotions believable.

Althea
14-11-2011, 09:13 PM
Plus the Gears of War characters are, basically, walking dicks. There's less muscle on an extreme bodybuilder.

SirKicksalot
14-11-2011, 09:24 PM
The homoeroticism is there BECAUSE the writers failed to make the manner in which the characters express what should be complex emotions believable.

That doesn't apply to MW3. Price feels like a father figure to Soap. Brooker's comment about Soap's nickname is really stupid btw.

You spend most of the time playing as Yuri, a character that just met Price. Price's behaviour towards Yuri feels natural. At first he's pretty detached, somewhat similar to how he acted in MW1. You can feel him warming up to the character in later missions. And then a big spoiler happens and Price gets royally pissed, to the point where I felt uncomfortable around him. It was clear he's holding a grudge against Yuri and only stays with him because they have to work together to get anywhere. Over time he cools down - but still, it's never the same as before.

mpk
14-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Wholeheartedly agree with Brooker on this one - I remember playing the original CoD (or was it CoD2?), and being utterly terrified as a Russian soldier armed only with some ammunition and a hat, forced into the war by a scary man in a much better hat.

These steroidal monstrosities who are now your avatar in many FPS games - Gears, Bulletstorm etc - do nothing for me. The attitude towards violence shown by some games, the game characters and the game writing - the nonchalant laissez faire breeze through ultraviolence and overkill - makes me queasy. I didn't like it when Soldier of Fortune did it, and I like it even less now that it's becoming more and more prominent. Why is, I admit, the reason I don't play a lot of modern FPS games.

I'm rambling. I don't actually have a point, I'm just tired and old and off to play something without so much gratuitous swearing.

EDIT: As an aside, Tom of Finland's work is beautiful and monstrous. I love it, and I'll never forgive the guy who introduced me to it.

acidtestportfolio
14-11-2011, 10:02 PM
all these brainless idiots complaining that brooker's article is 'anti-games' have never seen the gameswipe show he hosted once upon a time

also i have a homoerotic crush for charlie brooker

Nalano
14-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Wholeheartedly agree with Brooker on this one - I remember playing the original CoD (or was it CoD2?), and being utterly terrified as a Russian soldier armed only with some ammunition and a hat, forced into the war by a scary man in a much better hat.

Is it sad that all my favorite scenes in the original CoD were ripped wholesale from Enemy at the Gates?

rsherhod
14-11-2011, 11:17 PM
Is it sad that all my favorite scenes in the original CoD were ripped wholesale from Enemy at the Gates?
...which in turn were denounced as pure tripe by people who actually fought in Stalingrad and anyone who knows anything about the Russian army of that time.

TixyLixx
14-11-2011, 11:27 PM
He used to work for PC Gamer.

Nalano
14-11-2011, 11:45 PM
...which in turn were denounced as pure tripe by people who actually fought in Stalingrad and anyone who knows anything about the Russian army of that time.

If anybody watched that movie and didn't walk away feeling that their intelligence was somewhat insulted, they weren't really watching that movie. That said, if you want grade A, FDA-approved tripe, IW delivers.

R-F
14-11-2011, 11:58 PM
Charlie Brooker is completely wrong about this game: Soap is his name because that's what he always "accidentally" drops.

Casimir Effect
15-11-2011, 01:07 AM
Brilliant article. Fuck y'all otherwise

deano2099
15-11-2011, 02:08 AM
The characters are so shallow that it's easy to read homo-eroticism in to it even if it's not intended, just as they're so broad. And it makes it kind of funny then. That's all there really is to it.

It doesn't mean people playing shooters are secretly gay, any more than watching Brokeback Mountain makes you secretly gay... just because something is homo-erotic doesn't reflect on the consumer.

Nalano
15-11-2011, 03:16 AM
just because something is homo-erotic doesn't reflect on the consumer.

The consistent popularity of this crypto-fascist pseudo-military gun porn isn't a reflection on society's tastes?

And I'll bet all that wacky tentacle-rape porn isn't a reflection on Japan's sexual hangups.

The JG Man
15-11-2011, 03:38 AM
The difference is there is an intention of gun porn and...ahem, other stuff elsewhere. The homo-eroticism in CoD or Gears is just bad writing.

Nalano
15-11-2011, 03:45 AM
The homo-eroticism in CoD or Gears is just bad writing.

I'm not so sure of that. I don't think all this extraneous machismo is just the coincidental result of collective bad writing, any more than I think Dan Brown just stumbled his way to best-sellerdom.

Fumarole
15-11-2011, 04:25 AM
Methinks he doth protest too much.

The JG Man
15-11-2011, 04:42 AM
Consider, Nalano, how it is that games with good writing are praised because they actually have good writing. I wouldn't say it's a coincidental result more-so the norm, but then I'd say the same about cinema or TV. Good things are always the exception. Not that this is entirely a bad thing, but I think it's relevant in this case.

The very fact they try and fix this by throwing in female characters only shows this up further, I believe. Of course, I haven't played GoW2 or 3, so I don't know how well this is broken. In regards to CoD, there was only one part of CoD4 I thought was well done and that was the [spoiler]nuclear bomb detonation[/spoiler. Very, very well done. Everything else was functional, but not exactly mesmerising.

Nalano
15-11-2011, 06:01 AM
I understand your view, JG, but consider this: The entire history of commercial printing has produced mountains of dreck, far and away more than what we'd consider literature. It's dreck that made us literate. Mass-produced bibles (or scientific or philosophic texts) didn't turn society literate. Trashy octavos did: The renaissance variety of penny dreadfuls, dime novels and pulp fiction. Just as porn made the internet what it is today, so did dreck then.

Writers purposefully write bad shit because people buy bad shit. In droves. L. Ron Hubbard died fantastically rich, despite being an utter hack. It's insulting, but writers like that know what they're doing. They wouldn't be successful otherwise.

psyk
15-11-2011, 06:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIb8JdoWF00

Go watch it has RAB in it WOOOOOO speaking of rab CONSOLVANIA is free to download HAPPY TIMES

agentorange
15-11-2011, 06:27 AM
I'm getting really fed up with people, be they professional journalists or otherwise, declaring that any story involving a group of men is 'homo-erotic'. This is the latest example, but Gears of War is the favourite, many a hilarious comment about 'gay space marines' has been made over the last five years (happy birthday Gears). It doesn't matter that Dom is married, or that Marcus and Anya are in love but unable to openly pursue their relationship due to regs regarding enlisted/officer fraternization. Marcus and Dom are obviously gay, as are Cole and Baird.

I lost interest in the Army of Two game after they cut out a lot of content because people were saying it was "too homo-erotic". One of the things they cut out was the ability for one dude to stuff a tampon into the open wound of the other dude, in order to stop their bleeding.

DarthBenedict
15-11-2011, 07:27 AM
Remember, acting masculine makes you a closet homosexual. Acting feminine also makes you a closet homosexual. Make sure to behave like a genderless robot at all times.

By the way, why do people who normally have too much sense/taste to use homosexuality as an insult make an exception for Gears of War etc.?

Nalano
15-11-2011, 07:34 AM
Remember, acting masculine makes you a closet homosexual. Acting feminine also makes you a closet homosexual. Make sure to behave like a genderless robot at all times.

By the way, why do people who normally have too much sense/taste to use homosexuality as an insult make an exception for Gears of War etc.?

There's masculine and then there's masculine (http://alden-tan.com/wp-content/uploads/douchebag-posing.jpg).

And because we're not insulting homosexuals or insinuating that homosexuality is bad. We're teasing the douchebags who would be offended at being called homosexual.

pakoito
15-11-2011, 10:39 AM
Remember, acting masculine makes you a closet homosexual. Acting feminine also makes you a closet homosexual. Make sure to behave like a genderless robot at all times.

By the way, why do people who normally have too much sense/taste to use homosexuality as an insult make an exception for Gears of War etc.?
Don Dreaper. Masculine yet no hint of homosexuality.

deano2099
15-11-2011, 10:51 AM
By the way, why do people who normally have too much sense/taste to use homosexuality as an insult make an exception for Gears of War etc.?
They're not. If the whole homo-eroticism angle wasn't intended but is there anyway, pointing it out highlights how bad the writing is. Also, since it's not intentional, it comes off as rather silly, which is deserving of mocking.

You're stepping dangerously close to that territory where you're not allowed to say a TV or movie gay relationship is badly written because that's hating on homosexuals.

JackShandy
15-11-2011, 10:52 AM
Well, Modern Warfare is a game about violently penetrating other men.

R-F
15-11-2011, 10:53 AM
Remember, acting masculine makes you a closet homosexual. Acting feminine also makes you a closet homosexual. Make sure to behave like a genderless robot at all times.

By the way, why do people who normally have too much sense/taste to use homosexuality as an insult make an exception for Gears of War etc.?

There's a world of difference. Masculinity isn't about posing and going "HOOWAH" and then slapping another man on the back whilst you're both sweaty and such. Especially when it's over the top and unnecessary. There's a time and a place for that, and it's more in a Village People video than anything else.

Look at, say, Sean Connery. No one would deny he's manly and NO ONE would say he's gay because of it. He doesn't pose, he doesn't pop more steds than a gym full of body builders and yet he's more manly than the lot of them (also, less camp).

ALSO: Before anyone comes in this thread and starts raging about how people use homosexuality as an insult:- That's not what we're insulting. We're insulting the people who would happily beat up gay people and yet hide themselves behind this facade of manliness to hide their secret homosexual feelings. It's the falseness that is the hilarity of it, the irony of it.

baboonanza
15-11-2011, 11:00 AM
Don Dreaper. Masculine yet no hint of homosexuality.
Exactly. It's the massively over-compensating buff machismo that marks it out as homoerotic. They're characters created for teenage boys who get teased at school for being dorks and want to feel like they're REAL MEN (tm).

Real soldiers aren't like that. The bravest of the brave, those who earn George Crosses and Medals of Honor are real people with emotions and weaknesses, not body-building super soldiers. Some of them are probably dicks too mind you.

baboonanza
15-11-2011, 11:02 AM
Look at, say, Sean Connery. No one would deny he's manly and NO ONE would say he's gay because of it. He doesn't pose, he doesn't pop more steds than a gym full of body builders and yet he's more manly than the lot of them (also, less camp).
I'd go gay for Connery though (well, when he was a bit younger).

rsherhod
15-11-2011, 12:06 PM
Real soldiers aren't like that. The bravest or the brave, those who earn George Crosses and Medals of Honor are real people with emotions and weaknesses, not body-building super soldiers. Some of them are probably dicks too mind you.

I think you mean Victoria Cross. George Cross is for civilians only, but is equivalent to the military's Victoria Cross.
Your message is absolutely right though :)

baboonanza
15-11-2011, 12:30 PM
I think you mean Victoria Cross. George Cross is for civilians only, but is equivalent to the military's Victoria Cross.
Your message is absolutely right though :)
Thanks for the correction!

DarthBenedict
15-11-2011, 01:31 PM
There's a world of difference. Masculinity isn't about posing and going "HOOWAH" and then slapping another man on the back whilst you're both sweaty and such. Especially when it's over the top and unnecessary. There's a time and a place for that, and it's more in a Village People video than anything else.

Look at, say, Sean Connery. No one would deny he's manly and NO ONE would say he's gay because of it. He doesn't pose, he doesn't pop more steds than a gym full of body builders and yet he's more manly than the lot of them (also, less camp).

I think videogames are a pretty good place for gruff soldier men to shoot hordes of faceless baddies without paying attention to their feelings.


ALSO: Before anyone comes in this thread and starts raging about how people use homosexuality as an insult:- That's not what we're insulting. We're insulting the people who would happily beat up gay people and yet hide themselves behind this facade of manliness to hide their secret homosexual feelings. It's the falseness that is the hilarity of it, the irony of it.

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#Scandal_and_removal_from_job) is one of the funniest things ever. Still, calling CoD gay seems to have been the main point of that article, without much mention of the homophobia of its fanbase.

The JG Man
15-11-2011, 03:00 PM
Writers purposefully write bad shit because people buy bad shit.

Course it's a feedback thing. A lot of upcoming writers will have this bad writing as their influence, particularly those with a rich video game history. I do agree with you though, although that doesn't make the situation better.


This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#Scandal_and_removal_from_job) is one of the funniest things ever.

I think I remember hearing about that. Funnier than it should be.

Nalano
15-11-2011, 04:41 PM
Course it's a feedback thing. A lot of upcoming writers will have this bad writing as their influence, particularly those with a rich video game history. I do agree with you though, although that doesn't make the situation better.

They have no intention of elevating the level of discourse. There's a huge precedent for being as camp as is humanly possible.

I still find it funny that this thread is essentially people having to explain the joke: When you have your average 13-year old boy on Xbox Live whose favorite insult is "fag" and who constantly remarks how he's going to "rape" the other (male) players, pointing out to him that the game he's playing is homoerotic is the best comeback ever.

CuriousOrange
15-11-2011, 06:03 PM
I got a significant whiff of homosexuality from Don Dreaper.

Not sure how anyone could even look at a screenshot of Gears of War and not think it's homoerotic. I had always assumed it was intentional in GoW though and it wasn't taking itself too seriously. But then, I'm bothered by it at all. I quite enjoyed Army of Two, it was a beautiful love story.

Also, it's not just because of that Nalano, this stuff is all without doubt quite homoerotic. It is only the best comeback ever when it's also true. Which of course it is.

Outright Villainy
15-11-2011, 06:20 PM
Don Dreaper. Masculine yet no hint of homosexuality.

Well there is on my end. I'd go gay for Don Draper.

Joseph-Sulphur
15-11-2011, 06:20 PM
So is Don Dreaper like a really stylish, lantern jawed Grim Reaper?

pakoito
15-11-2011, 06:24 PM
I got a significant whiff of homosexuality from Don Dreaper.Unless you mistake suits and not wearing a baseball cap backwards with homosexuality I don't understand your point.

Also, Sean Connery, awesome example.

Chorltonwheelie
15-11-2011, 11:18 PM
The only hotty in MW3 is Makarov. Woof!

gundrea
16-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Wait wait hold up a second. So you're saying Enemy at the Gates wasn't based on a true story?

Jockie
16-11-2011, 01:50 PM
I don't think Charlie Brooker is actually that bothered by the homo-eroticism stuff, he's just trying to troll 6 million frothing fanboys into being outraged (and in the process raise his profile), so we more enlightened folk can have a good sneer at them.

See his other recent articles, such as his attack on male car drivers (all men who drive cars or care about cars have tiny penises) and 'David Cameron is a Lizard', which basically existed to piss off the daily telegraph (and its readers).

Gauging the reaction on Twitter from all of these articles, he's the internets most successful troll.

arienette
16-11-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm slightly confused by the definition of homo-eroticism used in this thread. Buff men with big guns kill other men is certainly hyper-masculine. But that's about it, I find such portrayals of masculinity stupid and annoying, but not inherently homosexual.

I think what we've forgotten to ask, largely being straight men, is how much sexual tension is there between the characters? If you were gay, would you find any of the character interaction erotic?

The answer likely falls no, these games are much more about wanking over guns than over men. And guns are without gender.

pakoito
16-11-2011, 02:18 PM
I'm slightly confused by the definition of homo-eroticism used in this thread. Buff men with big guns kill other men is certainly hyper-masculine. But that's about it, I find such portrayals of masculinity stupid and annoying, but not inherently homosexual.

I think what we've forgotten to ask, largely being straight men, is how much sexual tension is there between the characters? If you were gay, would you find any of the character interaction erotic?

The answer likely falls no, these games are much more about wanking over guns than over men. And guns are without gender.

Japan got it figured out long time ago. This is their vision of hipermusculated men:

http://cdn3.spong.com/news/b/i/bikiniclad315003/_-Bikini-Clad-Muscle-Men-Game-Heading-To-US-WiiWare-_.jpghttp://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19815/694140-fma488.jpg


Try mentally adding a coat of brown and you'll see Marcus and Dom.

sabrage
16-11-2011, 02:36 PM
It's homoerotic the same way Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando is homoerotic. The characters themselves aren't, but the worship of big, manly men is.

Clip related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMWLV5Ad0vs&feature=player_embedded

Vandelay
16-11-2011, 05:07 PM
Watch The Transporter for a brilliant piss take of homoeroticism in action films, particularly the oil fighting scene. A lot of games have a similar quality, just without the irony.

Vendetta11
16-11-2011, 05:24 PM
After reading all the comments in this thread, my head did this-

http://noisewiki.com/wiki/images/9/99/ExplodingHead.GIF


Good lord........ lulz

The JG Man
16-11-2011, 05:40 PM
Watch The Transporter for a brilliant piss take of homoeroticism in action films, particularly the oil fighting scene. A lot of games have a similar quality, just without the irony.

I just had to go and find it. The first time I saw it, I was rolling with laughter, but the best part is that it is incredibly well choreographed. For those unaware of the brilliance, have a looksy. If games are going to keep on going in the direction they are with this, they might as well adopt some of this into them. (Start at the 3.45 mark, finish at 6.40. The entire video ends on a spoiler, so yeah)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovTDs5DDksk&t=3m45s

If Gears had something like this in it, I'd have had a hell of a lot more fun without having to rely on playing it with a friend to make it as fun.

Nalano
16-11-2011, 06:37 PM
I'm slightly confused by the definition of homo-eroticism used in this thread. Buff men with big guns kill other men is certainly hyper-masculine. But that's about it, I find such portrayals of masculinity stupid and annoying, but not inherently homosexual.

It's an ode to the male form and to hyper-masculine men. It's men interacting solely with men and usually with large phallic implements. It's the notable absence of women, except to highlight just how masculine the men are. It's the idea that the writer found Conan's bare chest and furry panties more interesting than any woman's, considering how much you get to see them. The sexual tension is palpable.


Watch The Transporter for a brilliant piss take of homoeroticism in action films, particularly the oil fighting scene. A lot of games have a similar quality, just without the irony.

Ha! Jason Statham as greased pig. I like when he inexplicably loses his shirt and kisses the dude underwater for extra air.

Insidious Rex
16-11-2011, 11:31 PM
Wholeheartedly agree with Brooker on this one - I remember playing the original CoD (or was it CoD2?), and being utterly terrified as a Russian soldier armed only with some ammunition and a hat, forced into the war by a scary man in a much better hat.

These steroidal monstrosities who are now your avatar in many FPS games - Gears, Bulletstorm etc - do nothing for me. The attitude towards violence shown by some games, the game characters and the game writing - the nonchalant laissez faire breeze through ultraviolence and overkill - makes me queasy. I didn't like it when Soldier of Fortune did it, and I like it even less now that it's becoming more and more prominent. Why is, I admit, the reason I don't play a lot of modern FPS games.



It could be down to the fact that soldiers in WW2 were, in the main, conscripted "regular" folk who got thrown into the brutality of war. The soldiers as depicted in MW are volunteers and are specifically trained to be able to kill and keep their calm during a battle/war. The ones who choose to go into special forces and the like even more so. So you could argue that these depictions are both as realistic as each other.

You could also argue that I am talking out of my backside and I wouldn't disagree.

P.S. I preferred CoD2's campaign to the other games you mentioned too.

rsherhod
16-11-2011, 11:44 PM
P.S. I preferred CoD2's campaign to the other games you mentioned too.

I'm with you on that one. CoD2 is my favourite. Still feels pretty fresh for a WW2 shooter. Not quite so many clichés as previous outings.