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slick_101
23-11-2011, 07:51 PM
A friend of mine is looking for something robust and really meaty. so meaty in fact that it needs to be "man enough" to survive a rather large head fall asleep with them on.

Other than that it is a text box case. They must be at least 5.1 surround sound a price range between 50-100, 100 being the MIGHTY cut off and preferably USB.

I did recommend my Roccat kave because to me it feels quite "beefy" with the size it is, but he wasn't sure about having to use all the plugs/pins in the back.

So please RPS, what are your thoughts?

Nullkigan
23-11-2011, 08:06 PM
Do not get a surround sound headset (5.x, 7.x) because the audio source is right by your ear anyway - it's a gimmick.

Whilst many may recommend a good set of headphones and a clip-on mic, I find that the cheap clip-on mics are extremely poor quality as they're not directional and move around a lot. Desk mics are atrocious for picking up keyboard noise.

Do not get a Steelseries 7H, they have a design flaw despite being awesomely modular. Don't buy a headset with bulbous can enclosures, because they will amplify e.g. cables scraping over deskts/shirts/etc. People seem to love the Siberia series, though.

Headsets with detachable cables are basically non-existant. Detachable mic booms are more common.

I did not notice a sound quality difference between a Fatal1ty (hey it was cheap) headset and my current Senn 350s, so I'd go for another 30 pair of those next time.

If he's really going to be sleeping in them, he'll probably want pleather (easier to clean; extended headset usage will cause a lot of ear infections!) and wireless.

Kadayi
23-11-2011, 09:52 PM
Steel series Siberia series are expensive but long lasting and robust. I've had my current headset for about 2 years now and it's still going strong, which given the amount of ab/use it's suffered during that time is pretty remarkable. Most headsets I've had upto now have generally lasted a few months to a year at best.

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&nord=1&q=steel+series+siberia&gs_upl=5381l7375l2l7791l8l8l0l0l0l0l658l3214l3-3.2.2l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&ion=1&biw=1920&bih=1075&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7331759881947099630&sa=X&ei=3lzNTo_FOsWp8AO8qsC9Dw&ved=0CGMQ8wIwAA

QuantaCat
23-11-2011, 11:12 PM
I bought some for 20 euros a month or so ago, they are fantastic. Seriously, great. I cant remember the name, but they have "GAMING" written over them. They have a built in microphone, which can be "hidden" in the side of the headphones. All in all, fantastic headphones. They are built to isolate sounds so you dont hear outside, but inside. And are noisy when turned up for "outsiders". All things which I do not care for! Huzzah!

Bought them on amazon. EDIT: Found them! (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001E42QYE)

NixonInnes
20-12-2011, 06:14 PM
I bought Corsair HS1 USB Gaming Headset (http://www.corsair.com/pc-computer-audio/gaming-headsets/gaming-audio-series-hs1-usb-gaming-headset.html) about 6months ago, and they are nothing short of awesome.
They feel well built, solid big and chunky, and could no doubt take a head bashing. The cans cover your ears entirely and swallow your head, unlike some of the other headphones I've tried which just rest on your ears.
The sound from them is great, I use them for both music and gaming. The surround sound I was sceptical of the speakers being strapped to my ears but it works terrifyingly well.
Above all they are damned comfy on my globie-dome, which is apparently larger than average! :D

TimA
20-12-2011, 07:32 PM
I have the Speedlink Medusa 5.1 USB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/SPEEDLINK-Medusa-USB-Gaming-Headset/dp/B0046ZSY7Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324405758&sr=8-1). I think they sound pretty good, though the inline volume control is a bit naff, the best part is that they are super-comfortable. Easily the most comfy headset I've ever had, I can wear them for ages.

starky
22-12-2011, 10:43 PM
Might be a bit late for advice but anyone else reading this might not make the horrid mistake of buying a gaming headset, they are all almost universally crap - and those that are not garbage are vastly overpriced.

But a good set of audio headphones for half the price and then a mic separately - your ears will thank you.

Kadayi
22-12-2011, 11:36 PM
Might be a bit late for advice but anyone else reading this might not make the horrid mistake of buying a gaming headset, they are all almost universally crap - and those that are not garbage are vastly overpriced.

Call me a stickler but I'm not sure saying 'don't buy a gaming headset' when someone asking for a gaming headset recommendation actually constitutes advice tbh. Surely out of all the crap and overpriced headsets you've tried there must be one that is the lesser evil?

Rii
23-12-2011, 12:01 AM
Call me a stickler but I'm not sure saying 'don't buy a gaming headset' when someone asking for a gaming headset recommendation actually constitutes advice tbh.

But he's right: as any headphone expert will tell you, the entire product category is fundamentally flawed.

starky
23-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Surely out of all the crap and overpriced headsets you've tried there must be one that is the lesser evil?

No, not a single one of them is worth the money IMO - and I've tried and tested many from most of the major brands. It's a bit of a personal gripe of mine, but when I go to a LAN or something I usually end up converting many gamers away from their 80+ headsets, when my 30 headphones blows them out of the water.

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I'll expand on that half post posted by accident and forgotten about...

First 5.1 or any kind of "surround" headsets are a con - humans only have stereo hearing - the brain calculates sound direction based on the audio differences it hears between the left and right ears. Which is why surround sound speakers work, the speakers are actually physically spaced around the listener. Headphones are not spaced, and thus it makes no difference at all.
Stereo headphones however are fully capable of doing 360 degree sound, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA for an example of this. It's done using simple spacial recording (2 microphones set up at about the same space as human ears and then recorded around that), games have been badly simulating this for years.

Second, almost every single gaming headset is just plain bad, do your self a favour and just don't.

Buy a good set of Audiophile headphones, you can even get some pretty awesoem sets for really low prices.
For example the Superlux HD 681's cost almost nothing (20) and are superior to every single gaming headset I've ever trialed (and with a really easy filter mod can be made excellent).
Superlux HD668's (35) are a slightly more expensive set but are excellent out of the box.
You probably need to spend an extra 20 to get some better earpads for them (or make them yourself like I did) but you'll be getting a pair of headphones that are on par with 100 sets from big names like Sennheiser.

Anyway more general advice:
You want to buy open backed circumaural (full size) headphones.
Closed headphones are ONLY required if noise isolation is required (if you game in a noisy environment or if any leakage is an issue) - open backed headphones sound more natural, more open and just plain better.
They don't leak that much, and not enough to cause feedback on a mic, unless you have them at deafness causing volume.
I use open backed at noisy LANs, and don't have an issue with it - but if you LAN a lot and you like to drown out the crowd noises (I kind of like it) then you might want to get closed headphones.

Closed headphones are basically for DJ's and sound booths where they need isolation from outside noice, or need to prevent leakage from the headphones themselves.

How granted the reason most people want a "headset" is to have a mic too - but you can get a good clip-on, deskmic separately - and then have the added advantage of no heavy breathing sound going down the mic.

starky
23-12-2011, 12:29 AM
Oh as for a clip-on mic, I've heard the Zalman's are decent enough:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Microphone-Zm-Mic1-Sensitivity-Headphone/dp/B00029MTMQ/

Personally I prefer a decent desk mic, you don't get any movement or cable rustle, and a decent desktop mic is only about 20, hell I've used poundland desktops to pretty good results before.

sabrage
23-12-2011, 12:32 AM
If you spend $100 on a headset, you're getting a $50 pair of headphones, $5 for a mic, and $45 for the convenience of having it on your head. I've been using Logitech boom mics for years and I've never had a problem with them. (Should be easy enough to find online; I don't think Newegg ships internationally)

As far as headphones go, as others have said, 5.1 headsets are a gimmick. Again, I'm in the states, so I'm not sure what the pricing is like overseas, but typically the thing you want to shoot for with gaming headphones is soundscape; that is, the headphones' ability to reproduce the in-game environment. Generally, the bigger the soundscape, the better, and with really high-end headphones you should get to the point where you can pinpoint where an enemy is based on where a shot was fired relative to your position. To this end, I'm going to recommend two brands: Beyer Dynamic and Ultrasone. I can attest that both have excellent imaging capabilities.

Here's my personal pick:
Ultrasone HFI-2400 (http://www.amazon.com/ULTRASONE-HFI-2400-Professional-Open-Back-Headphones/dp/B002W37ESY/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324596083&sr=1-12)
The Beyer DT990 Pro is another great choice, but its 250 ohm impedance renders it somewhat hard to drive if your soundcard doesn't have a dedicated headphone amp. (my Xonar DG was about $20 and it has one) If those are out of your price range, both Ultrasone and Beyer's lineups are scalar to price so you can't really go wrong. Hope this helps!

starky
23-12-2011, 12:45 AM
That is one of the reasons I recommend the Superlux to gamers, the HD681's are only 32 Ohm, and the HD688B's are 56 Ohm - which makes them really easy to drive off anything, no amp required - hell even an Ipod can drive them to decent volume.

And they seriously compete with top brand audiophile headphones that cost 5 times as much (including the Bayer DT990's which I own a pair of and actually prefer the 668B's [with velour pad])- google some reviews on them on head-fi.org.

sabrage
23-12-2011, 05:26 AM
I had actually never heard of Superlux until just now, I might actually buy a pair when Christmas stops hitting me so hard just to try them. There's definitely been some upstarts in the last year that challenge the balance of power in terms of price points - the AIAIAI TM-1 being another.

Can you give me a quick comparison of the 688B and 681? Personally I hate the Audio Technica-style band on the latter, does it really sound that much better?

starky
23-12-2011, 07:33 AM
Better is subjective as is pretty much true for any headphone discussion (and lets face it some audiophiles take subjective to faith based religion complete with epic myths and legends);
Still I can give you my utterly subjective opinions on em - the 668B's are studio monitor phones, they've got a very balanced, neutral sound, ideal for EQ'ing and general use but not very exciting - that said it's easy enough to jack the bass in software EQ and get all the clubby bass in your ear you could want.
In fact they are designed to produce basically the same frequency response as the DT990's so if you like that sound, the 688B's get really close. Check: http://www.superlux.com.tw/upload/function.product.info/17f81435-74a5-48b2-af35-202a1d1730b2/resource/br_HD668B_view_en.pdf

The 681's are a little bit brighter on the treble, and a bit heavier on the bass, some people find the treble a bit too bright and fatiguing to listen too - there is a filter mod (really easy to do and costs like 50p in components in components) which will passively reduce the offending frequency spike (or you can do it in software/hardware EQ if you like, Drop 7.25 kHz by about 5-6 dB).

The 681's with the filter make a really damn good club and dance music pair of phones - but I prefer the 688B for general use, movie watching and such - So much so that my 5 times the price HD 518's mainly gather dust.
The default fake leather can make your ears sweat, so it is worth buying the AKG k-240 velour earpads, or making your own (which I did).

I can tell the/a difference between the 688B's and the DT990, but it's small (990's are slightly crisper, and slightly punchier) but for a price of 30 ($50) compared to 130, getting as close as they do is a feat.

Oh and there is a new range of superlux which are apparently better all-rounders, but I don't own any (yet).

QuantaCat
23-12-2011, 08:56 AM
So... everyone just skipped over the recommendation I made, or what? Which is both a gaming headset, and good?

sabrage
23-12-2011, 09:54 AM
Apparently Superlux has a huge line that Amazon and their website just wasn't showing me; I'll have to do some more research at a later date. Working up my headphone lust on an empty wallet is never a good idea.

@QuantaCat: It's really a matter of perspective. Personally, after hearing a high-quality pair of headphones, it's impossible to go back, and therefore really difficult to recommend low-end pairs to other people. But honestly? If you're happy where you are, hold on to it for all it's worth (and that's potentially hundreds or thousands of dollars, when it comes to audio equipment.) And I'm not trying to discount the set you recommended; I've never heard them, I've never heard of them. I just have a hard time believing that they would stand up to a mainstay, dedicated pair of headphones in the same price range like the JVC RA-X700 or Koss Portapros paired with a cheapo microphone.

(God, that still sounds terribly elitist. Oh well.)

QuantaCat
23-12-2011, 10:57 AM
Yes. Ive had expensive headphones. Ive had macbook pro with all the trimmings. I dont care for them anymore. I dare you to seriously check out headphones, without looking at statistics or whatever, and compare the cheap ones to the expensive ones. I know you could hear the difference, but seriously, feature wise? There is not so much difference between the sets. That and youre not making fucking music here, or designing the sounds of some new hollywood production or whatever. Youre listening to sometimes horrible sounds coming out of a standard PC audio jack of a mediocre game. Youre not even really listening to music, youre listening to "some kind of sound design".

That and, for 20€..

starky
24-12-2011, 06:10 AM
Those of us that do spend 100+ ARE using them for music production though, or other sound design, audio engineering uses.

Still as i pointed out you can get solid headphones at a fraction of the cost that will blow any crappy gaming headset out of the water audio quality wise - so there is really no excuse.

Feature wise? Seriously? It's a sodding speaker next to your ear, a moving coil transducer - there are no features, only statistics.
Unless you mean features like 5.1 surround - which isn't a feature, it is a lie - there is no such thing in headphones. Having 2 or more little speakers in a headphone will probably always be worse than having 1 higher quality larger one (there is a reason no top and headphones do it).

But hey, if you want to get angry go ahead - but the fact is at any price-range a pair of music headphones from one of the quality manufactureres will ALWAYS be better than a gaming headset.
You find a good 20 gaming headset and I'll find you a 3 microphone and a 17 headphone which would offer better quality.

sabrage
24-12-2011, 07:33 AM
Vitriol

That and, for 20€..
I have a terabyte HD filled with FLAC that I either run through my USB DAC or my Yamaha CR-1020 receiver, but thanks for playing. If I can hear the difference, as you yourself put it, why would I settle for less?

@Starky: Have you heard of the Samson SR850? (http://www.amazon.com/Samson-Semi-Open-Studio-Reference-Headphones/dp/B002LBSEQS/ref=wl_itt_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1OZWQ10Y8YOHA&colid=2UD288I5L2PDV) Apparently it's a rebranded 688b with a better headband. I've decided that it's definitely going to be my next headphone.

starky
24-12-2011, 08:32 AM
Yeah I have, though I was fairly sure that they were a rebrand of the 681's not the 688B's (same style, same 32 ohm inductance, and 10 hz to 30 kHz range) - like you however I have heard they sound more like the 688Bs than they do the 681s. Honestly though i think that might be wishful thinking - Unless the Samsons have extra electronics in them which account for that (for example if they included the passive filter that balances the frequency response that would explain it).

Owning both the 668's and the 681's the 681's are definitely more comfortable (though it's an easy mod with a electrical tape to fix the 688Bs - just to hold the 2 head pads in the correct place/distance for your head).

At the time I was buying the 668B's were 35 ($55) and the Samson I could only find for like 45 ($70) making it a no brainer to get the Superlux, but if you can get the Samson's for the same price then yeah those would be the ones I'd buy.

QuantaCat
24-12-2011, 11:16 AM
"vitriol"? Both of you said "because you use it for other things, they dont suffice"
And my point was that "for that purpose alone, they are quite sufficient", to which both of you agreed.

But of course, why would you buy headphones for just one purpose? No reason, other than the person asking for it, asked for just a "gaming" headset.

Kadayi
24-12-2011, 12:55 PM
But hey, if you want to get angry go ahead - but the fact is at any price-range a pair of music headphones from one of the quality manufactureres will ALWAYS be better than a gaming headset.

'ALWAYS' Crystal ball much? LOL, now I really can't take you seriously.

koen
24-12-2011, 11:43 PM
I've got a Logitech G35 - I really like it. The surround sound is really good, and the 2.0 is also really quite decent. It's meant for games and movies however, and it isolates quite well with its over the ear earpads. I'd definitely recommend it. It can be found for about 60 quid.

soldant
25-12-2011, 06:48 AM
I'd say if you're deadset on a gaming headset the G35s aren't bad... but I totally agree with the others that a good pair of headphones paired with a decent dedicated soundcard is still the better way to go. And to anyone thinking of buying those crappy Razer headsets... they're the most uncomfortable things I've ever had the misfortune to experience.

Vexing Vision
25-12-2011, 04:07 PM
Just chiming in more or less randomly, but quite a few 5.1 speakers have multiple speakers at different angles inside each headphone.

That, and the Kave comes with amazing bass-vibration - I am sad to report that the microphone did not survive multiple falls, though. :(

starky
27-12-2011, 02:57 AM
'ALWAYS' Crystal ball much? LOL, now I really can't take you seriously.

Oh come on it was clearly hyperbole, I even bolded it to make it obvious. It's still true though the vast majority of the time.


Just chiming in more or less randomly, but quite a few 5.1 speakers have multiple speakers at different angles inside each headphone.


Which is a con - the human ear can't tell the difference between angles of input, all sound is reflected down the ear canal and angle of entry into the ear makes no difference to perception.

Spacial hearing is achieved by the brain hearing something in the left and right ears at different volumes and calculating direction based on that difference - much like how the eyes are used to calculate distance.
A person deaf in one ear would lose all sense of audio direction.

Drossy
01-01-2012, 07:11 PM
I've got a Sennheiser PC 350, which are really comfortable - I've worn them for hours with no problems.

VFRHawk
06-01-2012, 04:40 AM
Hmm, sorry to threadjack, but I already have a reasonable pair of audiophile Sennheiser's, so has anyone tried any of the clip on mics out there and can recomend from personal experience? I was considering a set of Steelseries Siberia V2's, but mostly for the convenience of the boom mic.... Might make more sense just to buy a half decent mic.

Graham

deano2099
06-01-2012, 06:03 AM
Better is subjective as is pretty much true for any headphone discussion (and lets face it some audiophiles take subjective to faith based religion complete with epic myths and legends);
Still I can give you my utterly subjective opinions on em - the 668B's are studio monitor phones, they've got a very balanced, neutral sound, ideal for EQ'ing and general use but not very exciting - that said it's easy enough to jack the bass in software EQ and get all the clubby bass in your ear you could want.
In fact they are designed to produce basically the same frequency response as the DT990's so if you like that sound, the 688B's get really close. Check: http://www.superlux.com.tw/upload/function.product.info/17f81435-74a5-48b2-af35-202a1d1730b2/resource/br_HD668B_view_en.pdf

The 681's are a little bit brighter on the treble, and a bit heavier on the bass, some people find the treble a bit too bright and fatiguing to listen too - there is a filter mod (really easy to do and costs like 50p in components in components) which will passively reduce the offending frequency spike (or you can do it in software/hardware EQ if you like, Drop 7.25 kHz by about 5-6 dB).

The 681's with the filter make a really damn good club and dance music pair of phones - but I prefer the 688B for general use, movie watching and such - So much so that my 5 times the price HD 518's mainly gather dust.
The default fake leather can make your ears sweat, so it is worth buying the AKG k-240 velour earpads, or making your own (which I did).

I can tell the/a difference between the 688B's and the DT990, but it's small (990's are slightly crisper, and slightly punchier) but for a price of 30 ($50) compared to 130, getting as close as they do is a feat.

Oh and there is a new range of superlux which are apparently better all-rounders, but I don't own any (yet).

You have me convinced -I like my Razor Carcharias as a headset but looking for some general phones for general listening. Where would I get the earpads from? Tend to wear them for hours at a time so likely a necessity but a quick google came up blank (am in the UK).

pmh
06-01-2012, 08:02 AM
Hmm, sorry to threadjack, but I already have a reasonable pair of audiophile Sennheiser's, so has anyone tried any of the clip on mics out there and can recomend from personal experience? I was considering a set of Steelseries Siberia V2's, but mostly for the convenience of the boom mic.... Might make more sense just to buy a half decent mic.

Graham

I just use the mic from my Logitech headset with my A900s, but I've seen the Zalman clip-on highly recommended

Harlander
06-01-2012, 09:16 AM
Spacial hearing is achieved by the brain hearing something in the left and right ears at different volumes and calculating direction based on that difference - much like how the eyes are used to calculate distance.

It's more the relative timing of sounds arriving that determines direction perception.

Pedantry aside, I got a cheap Logitech gaming headset for about a tenner that serves my purposes satisfactorily. I practically only use it for VOIP in games, though (and for listening to films when my washing-machine's going, but I digress). I'm hardly an audiophile, though - I'm still using the little Cambridge Soundworks speakers that came with my first PC nearly a decade ago. Folks in ARPS can speak to its microphone quality and amount of unnecessary heavy breathing captured.

ShowMeTheMonkey
06-01-2012, 12:34 PM
I'm stupid so I use:

Tapco S-8s mostly.
540
If I HAVE to be quiet then I may concede to my trusty pair of Koss.
541

But then I only use the mic on my awful Labtec mic:
542

I wear that round my neck because the plastic is broken on the right side ghetto style.

And that's probably why ArmA people hate hearing me talk...

Labbes
06-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Steel series Siberia series are expensive but long lasting and robust. I've had my current headset for about 2 years now and it's still going strong, which given the amount of ab/use it's suffered during that time is pretty remarkable. Most headsets I've had upto now have generally lasted a few months to a year at best.

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&nord=1&q=steel+series+siberia&gs_upl=5381l7375l2l7791l8l8l0l0l0l0l658l3214l3-3.2.2l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&ion=1&biw=1920&bih=1075&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7331759881947099630&sa=X&ei=3lzNTo_FOsWp8AO8qsC9Dw&ved=0CGMQ8wIwAA

I agree with Kadayi that the Siberia v2 is the best gaming headset I have ever owned. I'm quite picky because my ears don't seem to like most headphones, so I was glad I found one that doesn't hurt after two hours or so. It doesn't break easily either, and I can't say the same thing for my old Sennheiser.
The retractable microphone is great, too, although I must say the voice quality is noticably worse than the Sennheiser headsets I used before.
I bought it when I had some disposable income, though, and I do notice that the quality could be better. I'm not an audiophile, so I can't articulate what I find lacking about the sound. Sorry.

Thanks to the fine gentlemen here I will buy a Superlux HD681 though, since it costs next to nothing and I don't use the microphone as much these days thanks to university.

tl;dr: If you have the money, I can recommend the Siberia v2. If strapped for cash, get good headphones+good microphone.

pmh
06-01-2012, 08:12 PM
tl;dr: If you have the money, I can recommend the Siberia v2. If strapped for cash, get good headphones+good microphone.

I'd change that slightly to if you prefer convenience over sound quality, get the Siberia. Otherwise, good headphones + mic.

Labbes
07-01-2012, 01:02 PM
I'd change that slightly to if you prefer convenience over sound quality, get the Siberia. Otherwise, good headphones + mic.

That's pretty much what I wanted to say, I'm just bad at summing up my thoughts.

Rii
07-01-2012, 09:55 PM
You don't want to go investing in a decent headphone setup without picking up a soundcard also. Asus' Xonar DX is the standard recommendation. On the headphone side Audio Technica's ATH-AD700 gets a lot of love around the internets as an excellent compromise between performance and wallet impact.

On another note I recently serviced my headset needs with a Plantronics Voyager Pro+, because I enjoy ignoring the advice of others. It works well with my phone and PS3, alas I need to get a USB extension lead to bring the Bluetooth dongle clear of the EM racket around the PC before I can use it there.

sabrage
07-01-2012, 09:56 PM
I have an Asus Xonar DG and the driver support is terrible - just a word of warning. Specifically, the card has trouble with any older titles that utilize EAX... Which turns out to be quite a few games.

partyhatman
11-01-2012, 01:34 AM
Logitech G35's.

Fabulous.

Alex Bakke
11-01-2012, 12:55 PM
I have ordered a pair of Siberia V2s. I managed to find them on Amazon for 35, woo, but they won't ship until Jan the 25th.

Mistabashi
11-01-2012, 02:53 PM
I have an Asus Xonar DG and the driver support is terrible - just a word of warning. Specifically, the card has trouble with any older titles that utilize EAX... Which turns out to be quite a few games.

I don't think the card/drivers are necessarily to blame there, the problem is most likely because Windows Vista/7 no longer support hardware DirectSound acceleration, which will tends to cause problems with a lot of older games if you try to run them with hardware accelerated audio.

VFRHawk
13-01-2012, 04:22 AM
I have ordered a pair of Siberia V2s. I managed to find them on Amazon for 35, woo, but they won't ship until Jan the 25th.

How'd you manage that? Just looked, they're double the price! Even the used ones are 55!

sabrage
13-01-2012, 04:45 AM
I don't think the card/drivers are necessarily to blame there, the problem is most likely because Windows Vista/7 no longer support hardware DirectSound acceleration, which will tends to cause problems with a lot of older games if you try to run them with hardware accelerated audio.
The problem exists in XP as well; it is 100% driver-related and is well-documented.

soldant
13-01-2012, 08:31 AM
I don't think the card/drivers are necessarily to blame there, the problem is most likely because Windows Vista/7 no longer support hardware DirectSound acceleration, which will tends to cause problems with a lot of older games if you try to run them with hardware accelerated audio.
The audio architecture changed in Vista (and therefore Win7) so that audio issues usually can't crash the whole OS, which has the downside of not allowing direct hardware access with DirectSound, and we're moving onto OpenAL anyway so EAX is a relic of the past. Creative got around it by using ALchemy to emulate EAX.

That said, I remember from the time I had a Xonar that the drivers were always pretty crap.

Rii
13-01-2012, 04:51 PM
I remember from the time I had a Xonar that the drivers were always pretty crap.

As opposed to Creative. *snicker*

Labbes
31-01-2012, 09:59 PM
Thanks to this thread, I now have a Superlux HD681, which is a fantastic headphone. The sound is an astounding difference to my Siberia v2, although it's not quite as comfortable. I'm hoping this wears off over time though, as I currently can't wear it for very much longer than ~1 hour :/

sabrage
31-01-2012, 11:04 PM
Thanks to this thread, I now have a Superlux HD681, which is a fantastic headphone. The sound is an astounding difference to my Siberia v2, although it's not quite as comfortable. I'm hoping this wears off over time though, as I currently can't wear it for very much longer than ~1 hour :/
Is it hurting your ears? Try to find and order "AKG k240 velour pads..." Just be warned that they may end up costing as much as the headphones themselves :/

Kelron
01-02-2012, 12:22 AM
As opposed to Creative. *snicker*

Not sure why people still complain about Creative's drivers. A few years ago they had problems with 64 bit and Vista/7, but not now.

Tikey
14-02-2013, 03:57 PM
I'm necroing this thread to avoid creating a new one.
I'm looking at buying a nice but somewhat cheap headset and looking at local retailers this one (http://www.plantronics.com/uk/product/gamecom-367) (Plantronics Gamecom 367) caught my eye. The weight is the only thing that doesn't convince me so I'd like to hear if any of you know about it. This other (http://mobile.logitech.com/es-roam/product/stereo-headset-h390?crid=36) one (logitech H390) could be an option.
Otherwise I'm thinking about getting some Phillips Shp2500 (http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=SHP2500/10&slg=en&scy=GB) and be done with it.
This stuff gets too expensive here and most of the models I've seen mentioned in some of the threads here are impossible to get so I'm seeing what I can get for a decent price here and could use some help.

Thanks

Grizzly
21-02-2013, 05:55 PM
I used to be like you (except with much more fur, obv), and was looking for a headset in that range. However, one bloke recommended me the Sennheiser PC 310 (http://www.sennheiser.nl/nl/home_nl.nsf/root/private_headsets_gaming_pc_504123). It is slightly more expensive then the logitiech H390 you listed there, but the sound quality is awesome and the thing is very light weigth. Since I have never actually owned any headsets that fell within the price range you mentioned, that is all I can recommend.

mizzu
21-02-2013, 08:14 PM
Semi-related (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?9649-Microphones)

Logitech is pretty much hit and miss in my experience. I bought the g330 last week and found out that is shipped in a broken state, googling it shows that it's not working for a lot of people. Be sure to inform yourself about their stuff before. Anyway, got a plantronics gamecom 780 instead, and it works pretty well.

Also I recommend not doing your research on the producers website itself. Look for reviews online and try to find samples of actual recording to judge sound quality (that's how I did it).

Grizzly
22-02-2013, 11:09 PM
Not sure why people still complain about Creative's drivers. A few years ago they had problems with 64 bit and Vista/7, but not now.

I still have them today :(. But yeah, Xonar drivers are not the best either, that is why one has stuff like those rather pretty UniXonar drivers.