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Rii
22-12-2011, 04:08 PM
This is the thread for all things 007. All things filmic, that is. I hear there are books (and even - eww - games) but I don't care about them and neither should you!

Hmm, how about some (more) controversy to get us started? Most overrated film? Goldfinger. Yes, it's iconic, it's also terrible. Most underrated? Tomorrow Never Dies. China, the corporate media as a manipulative agent, and featuring the only Bond girl who's ever really managed to come across as Bond's equal. Sorry, Ms. Berry.

Wooly Wugga Wugga
22-12-2011, 04:13 PM
You want controversy? How about the fact that I preferred Bond when he was a smooth talking, alcoholic, charming womaniser and I hate what they have done with the series since they tried to make it edgy and modern.

Also, in an alternate universe Clive Owen was the new Bond, they stuck to the old formula and he was the smoothest, most badass Bond ever, only second to Sean Connery. And the universe would be a better place for it.

Tikey
22-12-2011, 04:17 PM
Tomorrow never dies is indeed quite a great film.

I'm quite exited about the new film but I'm disappointed that it doesn't continue the story line from the previous films. I've found quite interesting that they tried to make a series of movies instead of some self contained ones.

SMiD
22-12-2011, 04:19 PM
You want controversy? How about the fact that I preferred Bond when he was a smooth talking, alcoholic, charming womaniser and I hate what they have done with the series since they tried to make it edgy and modern.

Is this controversy? I thought general consensus was that Connery's Bond was > all. Also, I agree with this line of thinking.

Worst Bond film? Toss up: License to Kill/Die Another Day.

Rii
22-12-2011, 04:20 PM
I hate what they have done with the series since they tried to make it edgy and modern.

When was that, exactly? 1969 when Bond fell in love and suffered loss? 1974 when he starred in a comedy? 1995 when he became Sensitive New Age Bond or 2006 when he walked past the body of a woman whose painful death he'd been the indirect cause without flinching? The series has never stood still and wouldn't be nearly as interesting (or have lasted nearly so long, for that matter) if it had.

Beyond the momentary thrills offered by each film, what's significant about 007 for me is that it's larger than the sum of its parts. Each film is, on its own merits, unremarkable, but taken together they weave a wonderfully rich tapestry that one can pore over endlessly. And its not merely their number, or even the decades over which the franchise has flourished. More than anything else it's the rigid structure and the plethora of familiar touchstones in each film that makes their dissection so rewarding.

Some of the things I'm referring to here: the evolution of the depiction of Bond and, by extension, the masculine ideal. Similarly, the evolution of its depiction of women. Filmic evolutions and fads in style. The subjects of its plots and how they relate to real-world events, and so on. In this respect 1995's Goldeneye is probably the most fascinating of all 007 films.

Lambchops
22-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Die Another Day is emperically the worst Bond film. Missed the mark in a massive way.

Wasn't much of A View to a Kill fan either (though the theme tune was pretty good).

Also I really enjoyed Tomorrow Never Dies and didn't realise it was considered a weaker film by many.

As for modern edgy Bond, it worked fantastically in Casino Royale and I reckon it would have worked fine in Quantum of Solace too if they hadn't focused on the less interesting of the main Bond girls, had completely forgetable villains and had a stupid fucking hydrogen hotel in the middle of the fucking desert. If you're going for stupidity make it gloriously stupid (secret volcano base and spaceships!) not plain stupid.

Speaking of Quantum of Solace:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6CoNUE5Zho

Lambchops
22-12-2011, 05:35 PM
Also I always think Adam's song is also rather excellent and only suffers from being slightly less excellent than Joe's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8hAMhLoQUc

Voon
22-12-2011, 05:47 PM
Die Another Day is emperically the worst Bond film. Missed the mark in a massive way.

Wasn't much of A View to a Kill fan either (though the theme tune was pretty good).

Also I really enjoyed Tomorrow Never Dies and didn't realise it was considered a weaker film by many.

As for modern edgy Bond, it worked fantastically in Casino Royale and I reckon it would have worked fine in Quantum of Solace too if they hadn't focused on the less interesting of the main Bond girls, had completely forgetable villains and had a stupid fucking hydrogen hotel in the middle of the fucking desert. If you're going for stupidity make it gloriously stupid (secret volcano base and spaceships!) not plain stupid.

Though I didn't remember how good (or bad) Tomorrow Never Dies was, I agree with Casino Royale. One of the best Bond movies out there. Just not as good as From Russia with Love.

Rii
22-12-2011, 06:00 PM
As for modern edgy Bond, it worked fantastically in Casino Royale and I reckon it would have worked fine in Quantum of Solace too if they hadn't focused on the less interesting of the main Bond girls, had completely forgetable villains and had a stupid fucking hydrogen hotel in the middle of the fucking desert. If you're going for stupidity make it gloriously stupid (secret volcano base and spaceships!) not plain stupid.

I enjoyed Quantum of Solace for its post-Iraq cynicism regarding the west in general - and the United States in particular - and its role in the world. The following exchange is simply delightful:


Bond: You know I was just wondering what South America would look like if nobody gave a damn about coke or communism. It always impressed me the way you boys would carve this place up.
Felix: I'll take that as a compliment coming from a Brit.

Bit of a change from Dr. No's "with your lack of regard for human life you must be an agent of the East!"

But there's more to it than that. Yes, the villains and the evil that they do are prosaic, that's part of the 'grim realism' that the film aspires to. They don't make grandiose speeches from hi-tech mountain fortresses, their evil harms ordinary people and often invisibly, and they do rape women. The latter is something that crops up oddly infrequently considering the regularity with which women are held hostage by evil men in the 007 mythos. The explanation is simple enough: you can't have Bond seducing 'damaged women' - it risks coming off as exploitative. And so it had to be this film - where Bond was otherwise precluded from serious romantic dalliances by the plot - to explore previously verboten territory.

And of course on the stylistic side there's the whole hiring-the-Bourne-guy thing, the gunbarrel sequence at the end rather than the beginning, the director's heavy-handed use of imagery, and numerous other touches of interest.

SMiD
22-12-2011, 06:09 PM
A View to a Kill isn't all terrible. I, for one, enjoyed Christopher Walken's Max Zoren, but he's involved in a plot that, frankly, is kind of a mess. Oh, and Roger Moore looks ancient throughout the entire film.

Tikey
22-12-2011, 06:20 PM
I enjoyed Quantum of Solace for its post-Iraq cynicism regarding the west - with a double dose for America in particular - and its role in the world.

The thought of Bond helping Evo Morales (even if it's indirectly) is still quite entertaining :D

DiamondDog
22-12-2011, 07:05 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies is pretty much my least favourite Bond film. It's just the bad guy. He's a cackling, moustache twirling egomaniac, but all he does is write bad headlines? Oh no! It ruins the whole film for me. I just can't understand why Bond would be in the least bit bothered about a fucking newspaper editor when he's gone up against criminal masterminds.

I realise that in the real world the media is extremely powerful, but as a Bond villain? I don't know about anybody else but I absolutely don't find Piers Morgan scary. Pathetic, but certainly not scary. The only saving grace in that entire film is Vincent Schiavelli's brilliant cameo. Really, he should have been the main villain.

Having said all that, I think Timothy Dalton was a good Bond so what the fuck do I know.

Xercies
22-12-2011, 07:06 PM
When I was a child I couldn't get enough of Bond, its probably every boys fantasy. Now a days I realise a lot of the early bonds don't really hold up that well, especially Roger Moores ones(They have really bad action, really bad storylines, and god awful comic release, yes southern police guy I'm looking at you) and yes I like what Casino Royale has done with it, though I do kind of want Bond to be a bit more like he used to be. Daniel Craig hasn't got enough charm or humour for me.

Favourite one, Russia with Love, or the Ski bit from Her Majesties Secret Service I think, can't remember the rest of the film but the Ski bit is the most memorable thing.

SMiD
22-12-2011, 07:27 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies is pretty much my least favourite Bond film. It's just the bad guy. He's a cackling, moustache twirling egomaniac, but all he does is write bad headlines? Oh no! It ruins the whole film for me. I just can't understand why Bond would be in the least bit bothered about a fucking newspaper editor when he's gone up against criminal masterminds.

Did you forget all about him trying to start WW3?


I think Timothy Dalton was a good Bond so what the fuck do I know.

Oh...


...or the Ski bit from Her Majesties Secret Service I think, can't remember the rest of the film but the Ski bit is the most memorable thing.

Honestly, for all the hate people love to give George Lazenby, On Her Majesty's Secret Service was a pretty decent Bond flick. Lazenby just had the unfortunate position of trying to follow Sean Connery's act.

Kadayi
22-12-2011, 07:46 PM
Agree with the earlier comment about Clive Owen was ideal for the part, however I don't think that Daniel Craig has done a bad job (my understanding is Owen turned down the role when it came his way). I thought that Casino Royale pretty entertaining for a post Bourne take on Bond. Quantum of Sausages was turgid, but mainly because the plot was all over the shop (and the finale at the Hotel was overboard). I'm sure the next film will get back on track.

Also: -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyXbZoho6Qs

Great scene

Rii
22-12-2011, 10:52 PM
yes southern police guy I'm looking at you)

I thought he was pretty good the second time around in The Man with the Golden Gun. Actually I thought that entire film was a rollicking barrel of fun. You just have to approach it with the right mindset. Candidate for 'most underrated' I think.

Tams80
12-01-2012, 08:11 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies is my favourite Bond film. I'm slightly surprised someone agrees it's good!

To me Bond is one of those things that depend on when you were born. Brosnan was the first Bond I saw, as he WAS Bond then and therefore is my favourite. Followed by Roger Moore, though Sean Connery is brilliant too. This may also be because I prefer modern films generally (the Bonds and The Italian Job are however exceptions) and thus Brosnan was the only Bond who had lots of funky gadgets yet was modern.

Talking of gadgets, while it was nice to have a more serious Bond, the gadgets (and cars)
a) aren't as funky and cool
b) don't last more than a minute (seriously, destroying two Aston Martin's so quickly is heart rendering)

As well as the poor gadgets, the new Bond doesn't have enough humour. It's there but Bond is just too hard and gritty. Bond is supposed to be suave, enticing and good with the ladies (yes, that's not in keeping with the books that much, but we're talking about the films here). That said Casino Royale was great film (though had nothing to do with the book if I recall correctly). Daniel Craig was great in it. Quantum of Solace was a bit meh.

Die Another Day went too far though. The intro is promising, but it just goes downhill from there (with exception of Rosamund Pike, though she so should have been the Bond girl).

LaunchJC
12-01-2012, 08:37 PM
My favourite Bond = Goldeneye, and not for the game either (I didn't own an N64). I'm not much of a fan of the series as a whole but I find Daniel Craig really hard to like, along with the new direction.

db1331
12-01-2012, 09:59 PM
I love Brosnan. His first two outings were definitely his best. I loved the intro to Tomorrow Never Dies as well. It's probably my second favorite intro, after Casino Royale's.

I love Craig as Bond as well. I have never been more pleasantly surprised with a film as I was with Casino. I went into it expecting it to suck, but feeling obligated to see it since I'm such a fan of the franchise. I was caught completely off guard by it. I loved it. On the other hand, QoS was one of the biggest letdowns of any film I've ever seen. I went into that one expecting it to be great, and it turns out it sucked worse than I had thought Casino Royale would. Honestly I could have done with only about the first and last 5 minutes of QoS (the opening car chase and Bond confronting Vesper's "boyfriend" at the end). The stuff in between was just horrible.

Smashbox
12-01-2012, 10:12 PM
Best: From Russia with Love, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, Casino Royale.

Worst: Die Another Day, by a massive margin.

I actually don't think Timothy Dalton was that bad, either.

The JG Man
12-01-2012, 10:29 PM
I just noticed we have this thread. So, a few things to get back up to speed:

1. Die Another Day was awful. Everything about it, from the theme tune to...well, everything.
2. I enjoyed Quantum of Solace, but it was disappointing coming off the back of Casino Royale which was an excellent film.
3. Thoroughly enjoyed Tomorrow Never Dies. I was not under the impression it was generally less liked...
4. The double-punch of From Russia With Love and Goldfinger makes for magnificent Saturday matinée viewing.
5. Lambchops is my new favourite person on RPS for posting the A&J songs. I also thought Joe's was far better than the actual one, which I thought was rather lacking.
6. The title sequence for Casino Royale and its theme tune are my favourite in the entire franchise. They just work so perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfc9GLxlhEw
The song is excellent being fresh AND reminiscent of the melodies that make up the Bond theme and syncs perfectly with the video.
6a. Casino Royale's ending is the very definition of bad ass. Basically, I was more than happy to have the franchise go in that direction, when that is the quality that is produced.
7. I miss Q :(

There, I think that does it.

Miker
12-01-2012, 11:47 PM
Speaking of Q, they hired some upstart youngster as Q for the next film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyfall). Not sure what to think about that. I thought John Cleese did a rather fine job in the later Brosnan flicks, but obviously they weren't going to bring him back.

The JG Man
13-01-2012, 12:03 AM
Perhaps he was busy with other things? I can imagine him having generally retired from acting by now though. I say this bearing in mind that Judi Dench retained her role despite being in pre-Casino Royale.

Ian
13-01-2012, 09:21 AM
Perhaps he was busy with other things?

Possibly, but he's trying to pay for/get some money after his divorce so I imagine he'd have pulled out to the stops to make time for a Bond gig if it came up.

I suspect Q will be less slapstick now which probably makes Cleese a less appropriate casting choice. Interesting that've gone for somebody younger than Craig I think.

The Tupper
13-01-2012, 10:50 AM
Gawd I hated Goldeneye. From the cheap blue-screen when he jumps after the plane near the beginning to the tinker-toy BMW that Q told us (told us, not showed us - it did nothing at all) had stinger missiles behind the headlights, to the helicopter-with-an-ejector-seat (with the button easily bumped by the pilot's head) to Alan fucking Cummings.

Ian
13-01-2012, 11:31 AM
I liked Goldeneye a lot, but generally I thought Brosnan was an excellent Bond in films of decreasing quality. He was unfortunate that it was during his tenure the people making the films were getting special effects boners.

Missed your big post JG Man, but I also really like "You Know My Name". I'm not sure it's a perfect Bond song by any means but it's a good song and you can hear how Cornell and David Arnold were trying to do something a bit different while also capturing the feel of a Bond theme.

groovychainsaw
13-01-2012, 12:15 PM
Hmm, let me chip in with my bond-y thoughts.

So, obviously, Sean C was the definitive (and got 2 of the best films, from russia with love and goldfinger).
Lazenby was in a good film and wasn't terrible, bit hard done by, to be honest (and great theme tune, too).
Good ole roger makes for perfect sunday afternoon viewing. Some great moments in any of his films, but usually drag a bit for half hour periods in most of his films. (although a view to a kill seems to be taking some flack, another great theme tune, and enjoyably scenery-chewing baddies, Christopher Walken and Grace Jones)
Then poor old Timothy Dalton got dragged in to make it a bit grittier and was only partially successful (I can never figure out what went wrong with his films, they're not bad, as such, just maybe a bit slow?).

Then Pierce, who started well (Goldeneye is a good 'classic' bond film, acitony and fun, very well paced, too), then started to slip as they crudely added in 'gritty' elements to rollercoaster-type films (i think die another day, which is probably the worst bond film, starts with him being tortured in a prison camp, then ends with a frickin space laser.... its like they had two warring scripts).

My controversial choice for most underrated, is 'the world is not enough' as his best, and one of my favourite bond films, perversely. It's got a good villain (robert carlyle as a russian who feels no pain!), and a good evil woman for bond to fall for (Sophie Marceau), Pierce even got a chance to show that dark side of bond when he has to (spoilers!) shoot Marceau near the end. Thats cold, man ,and pretty well done. There's a couple of great action sequence in there, including one of the best snowy-mountain chases from the whole franchise, IMHO.

And then implacable, stony-faced daniel craig. Casino royale was good, quantum of solace was sorely lacking in plot. Also, I can't help but feel that bond now feels like a spin-off from the bourne identity series. They might just need to get a little bit more bond-feel back into the character. Suggestions on the back of a postcard, please....

I'm sure someone will contest my choice of 'the world is not enough' as one of the best, but I guess the good thing about bond is that its something different to everyone, there's a film out there to appeal to most people's tastes.

The JG Man
13-01-2012, 01:23 PM
TWINE (makes for a rather good acronym, actually) is a good Bond film, definitely up there as one of the go-to ones, I'd say. I think I need to go back and watch the Brosnan ones again. I remember a fair bit of Goldeneye, especially the pen and tank sequences and I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was good, along with TWINE, but I can never remember all of them very well, despite owning TWINE on DVD. At the very least, TWINE (http://youtu.be/8C5NLfYdZaE) also had a great theme tune.

I also agree that On Her Majesty's Secret Service has an ace tune. EDIT: Just watching a video for it, I forgot Miss Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) was in it!

EDIT 2: I'm sure a good few of the posters in here realise that Patrick McGoohan (the prisoner in The Prisoner) was originally asked for the role but declined it with regards to how much action and sex was in it. I think that, those things aside, he'd have made a great Bond. Having Sean Connery wasn't exactly bad though...I can't imagine anyone else, for example, saying "Do you expect me to talk?"

Ian
13-01-2012, 02:33 PM
The GoldenEye theme's pretty sweet too.


Pierce even got a chance to show that dark side of bond when he has to (spoilers!) shoot Marceau near the end. Thats cold, man ,and pretty well done.

"You won't shoot me. You'll miss me."
*shoots*
"I never miss."

Cracking Bond moment, that.


Good ole roger makes for perfect sunday afternoon viewing.

Sunny bank holiday Mondays, a cool glass of lemonade, a choc ice and a bit of Roger Moore's Bond on the box. Childhood paradise.


(i think die another day, which is probably the worst bond film, starts with him being tortured in a prison camp, then ends with a frickin space laser.... its like they had two warring scripts).

This is the biggest shame of Die Another Day. The first twenty minutes I was sitting thinking, "Wow, this could actually be pretty good."

By the time 3/4 of the way through when the scriptwriters suddenly went "Oh shit, we forgot we'd introduced an invisible car!" the film was already drowning in it's own excrement.


They might just need to get a little bit more bond-feel back into the character. Suggestions on the back of a postcard, please....

I think Craig's always maintained that they would be trying to bring more Bond-ian humour in as they went along and that they just wanted to do it carefully and not go overboard. Three films into his stint and with seemingly the first story of the first two films done, Skyfall would be the obvious time to try and at least make some of it a little lighter.

Of course everyone really only keeps watching Bond films to see if they'll do a live-action version of Hank Scorpio. ;D

The Tupper
14-01-2012, 01:30 AM
Yeah Groovychainsaw - out of all the Brosnan Bonds TWINE was my favourite by a long way (Sophie Marceau was great - Rubbertits Sheen less so). I agree with virtually everything you say - particularly regarding Timothy Dalton's time.

I adore Casino Royale. While it's sometimes cited (in a derogatory way) as borrowing from the Bourne films, the franchise has, for decades, incorporated themes prevalent in contemporary action flicks - notably Live And Let Die taking the Blaxploitation fashion started by 'Shaft' in the early 70s, while The Man With The Golden Gun borrowed liberally from Enter The Dragon through to Moonraker/Star Wars.

While those latter examples admittedly may undermine my point, I think that Casino Royale managed the near-impossible task of being a fantastic action film (some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen) while undeniably still James Bond.

Drinking with Skeletons
17-01-2012, 08:58 PM
The best thing about the Bond films is that you can easily pretend that "James Bond" is simply a codename, and each new actor is, in fact, a new "James." Don't recall if there's any film that directly contradicts this, but it's a pretty cool theory and worth ignoring those pesky facts to enjoy.

Xercies
17-01-2012, 10:10 PM
I sometimes fantasise that James Bond is actually a Time Lord and his various Aston Martins are his TARDIS...but maybe thats just me lol

The Tupper
17-01-2012, 10:18 PM
The best thing about the Bond films is that you can easily pretend that "James Bond" is simply a codename, and each new actor is, in fact, a new "James." Don't recall if there's any film that directly contradicts this, but it's a pretty cool theory and worth ignoring those pesky facts to enjoy.

The rather flaccid spoof from the late 60s, 'Casino Royale' (not that one) suggests that your theory is indeed the case, with an ageing 007 (David Niven) being urged out of retirement in spite of his younger replacement. In the world of 'proper' Bond films, however, Roger Moore is seen (at the start of 'For Your Eyes Only') placing flowers on the grave of Tracy Bond (his one-day-wife from 'O.H.M.S.S.'), indicating that he is intended to be the same man.

Rii
17-01-2012, 10:36 PM
I didn't even know the upcoming film was called Skyfall; shows how much I keep up with these things, huh?

I like it.


The best thing about the Bond films is that you can easily pretend that "James Bond" is simply a codename, and each new actor is, in fact, a new "James." Don't recall if there's any film that directly contradicts this, but it's a pretty cool theory and worth ignoring those pesky facts to enjoy.

It's a cool theory, but ultimately I'm glad that it isn't actually canon. Some of Bond's strongest moments, I think, are those that acknowledge the rich tapestry of the franchise. I'm thinking particularly of License to Kill where Bond catches the bouquet which leads to a poignant reference to On Her Majesty's Secret Service which even then probably half the audience didn't get, and also Trevelyn's brutal excoriation of the ego-tripping Bond (male) fantasy in Goldeneye: "I might as well ask [...] if you find forgiveness in the arms of all those willing women .... for all the dead ones you failed to protect."


My controversial choice for most underrated, is 'the world is not enough' as his best, and one of my favourite bond films, perversely. It's got a good villain (robert carlyle as a russian who feels no pain!), and a good evil woman for bond to fall for (Sophie Marceau), Pierce even got a chance to show that dark side of bond when he has to (spoilers!) shoot Marceau near the end. Thats cold, man ,and pretty well done. There's a couple of great action sequence in there, including one of the best snowy-mountain chases from the whole franchise, IMHO.

Sophie Marceau was indeed wonderful as Elektra. It's amazing that they managed to put one of the very best Bond women right next to one of the very worst in Denise Richards as Christmas Jones. I always give a little cheer at Elektra's sneering dismissal of the latter upon their meeting.

Elektra is also to my recollection the only female Big Bad of the franchise to date. Of course if you're not paying attention to the plot (*gasp*) it's easy enough to miss the fact that she is the Big Bad as most of the film's action - including the concluding setpiece - revolves around her tool and lover, Renard, which in turn reflects the difficulties of adapting the series' structure - complete with mano-a-mano final showdown - to incorporate the novelty of a female Big Bad. And I don't think it's a coincidence that one of the series' few female villains is also one of its few sympathetic villains.

Ian
17-01-2012, 11:37 PM
I don't pretend it's the case but I do like the idea of Bond just being part of the 00- codename.

jasons
23-01-2012, 06:51 AM
Goldfinger is my favorite James bond movie

The JG Man
21-05-2012, 12:58 PM
http://youtu.be/xJ4dAY3DW4c

1. Looks awesome.
2. Teal and orange.
3. Looks awesome.
4. Wubstep theme?
5. Looks awesome.

Drake Sigar
21-05-2012, 01:09 PM
I have never liked James Bond. Maybe it's the setting. Throw some 18th century warfare in there and you've got Sharpe, or throw spaceships in and you've got Buck Rogers - both of which I love. I was never into the whole secret agent fantasy as a kid. Hell, while I'm admitting this, I might as well tell you I didn't like Indiana Jones either.

...

I fear I've gone too far.

The JG Man
21-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Hang on. So, you don't like Bond, you don't like Buck Rogers, and you don't like Indiana Jones? My god man. My god.

But seriously, give Casino Royale a go. It pretty much serves as a reboot for the franchise. If you enjoyed the Bourne films, you'll enjoy Casino Royale. Not to say that CR is Bourne, but the similarities are certainly noticeable.

Drake Sigar
21-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Hang on. So, you don't like Bond, you don't like Buck Rogers, and you don't like Indiana Jones? My god man. My god.

I like Buck Rogers and Sharpe:


Throw some 18th century warfare in there and you've got Sharpe, or throw spaceships in and you've got Buck Rogers - both of which I love.
Again, I think a big part of it was the settings.


If you enjoyed the Bourne films...
I didn't.

The JG Man
21-05-2012, 07:34 PM
Sorry, that was a reading comprehension and writing fail.

Okay, well fair enough. Bond is certainly not for everybody and there are plenty other films out this year to tide you over.

Although no Indiana Jones? That one is going to stump me for some time!

Rii
24-05-2012, 04:32 AM
http://youtu.be/xJ4dAY3DW4c

Some evocative shots there, especially those flags. I hope the film isn't a complete retreat from the self-awareness of Quantum of Solace mind...

I didn't think much of the Bourne films either. As films they were certainly no worse than your average 007 flick, but those are nothing as standalone pieces either, what makes them interesting is their place in the broader mythos and cultural and filmic tapestry.

The JG Man
31-07-2012, 04:28 PM
http://youtu.be/vgr2syY_OU4

Oh my.

Drake Sigar
31-07-2012, 10:40 PM
Let's hope it strikes the right balance between Casino and Solace.

Yes, I watched them since we last spoke. Casino was excellent, and the eyes, the eyes! Oh how they haunt me still. Solace felt like a more traditional action movie and kinda moved away from the precedent Casino was trying to establish.

Xercies
01-08-2012, 12:35 AM
Now that is curious that title almost reminded me of Batman, and i feel that the new James Bond and the Batman films are very very similar in there style...that trailer was itnerestign have a feeling it told me everything in the movie though. Also Q!!!!!!

zay
01-08-2012, 02:12 AM
My favourite Bond film is that one with Daniel Craig where he parachutes out of a helicopter with the Queen... which one is that again?

I like the James Bond as codename theory, and I think you can make sense of it even with the references between films with different actors. Example: Lazenby's Bond falls in love and marries, but because of his attachment to the Bond name his wife is killed by Blofield (if I remember correctly). This understandably throws him into a bit of a funk, so he retires early. Moore's Bond leaves flowers on the grave of Lazenby's wife as a sort of atonement for the hurt that the Bond name can cause, and as recognition of Lazenby's sacrifice and his wife's.

TWINE was a really good Bond film, and one of my favourites from when I was younger, but for some reason whenever I'm thinking about Bond films (happens more often than I care to admit) it is always forgotten. I always think of the TWINE N64 game instead (which, in spite of not being made by Rare, was actually pretty good, from memory).

Kadayi
01-08-2012, 07:57 AM
Oh my.

Neat, but what is up with Bardems hair? That just makes him look freaky tbh.

sabrage
01-08-2012, 08:30 AM
Blond Bardem was the only way they could make him even creepier than Chigurh.

gwathdring
01-08-2012, 09:06 AM
Now that is curious that title almost reminded me of Batman, and i feel that the new James Bond and the Batman films are very very similar in there style...that trailer was itnerestign have a feeling it told me everything in the movie though. Also Q!!!!!!

Trailers do that a more and more. It's frustrating. :\

Doesn't bother me much in action films like this, I suppose.

unruly
01-08-2012, 09:27 AM
to the helicopter-with-an-ejector-seat

I just have to point out that this is actually a real thing, and has been for quite a while. The Russians developed this for some of their choppers during the Cold War, sometime in the 70's. The US experimented with it too, but I don't think it ever got used in a production aircraft. From what I understand, the way that it works is that when the pilot pulls the lever it sets off explosive charges that blow the rotor blades off of the chopper, and then launches the seat a couple seconds later so that the detached blades have time to get clear.

Also, that new trailer looks great. I've never been a super-huge Bond fan, but I've enjoyed the Connery movies since I was a kid and I think Roger Moore did a decent job of it. I wasn't much of a fan of Brosnan, who was the Bond for most of my life, but I'll be honest that I never actually cared to sit down and watch all of his movies. I do like Craig's Bond though, so I'm looking forward to Skyfall.

Ian
01-08-2012, 10:38 AM
But how are they going to top the villain from QoS and his nefarious scheme to corner the water market!?

Looking good, anyway.

Kadayi
02-08-2012, 01:41 PM
Trailers do that a more and more. It's frustrating. :\

Doesn't bother me much in action films like this, I suppose.

Agreed. I think they could of done with less reveals there tbh.