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Nullkigan
29-12-2011, 06:22 PM
Mod Edit: The Mumble server (listed below) is being terminated on 23rd March 2015. We have a new Mumble server and this (along with all of the other relevant details) can be found here (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?18079-README-Mumble-VOIP-for-the-RPS-Community). Please use that server from 23rd March onwards. Thanks!

Mumble (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/files/) is a VOIP client like Ventrillo, Teamspeak, Roger Wilco and Mohawk. Unlike the rest, it has something resembling a stable overlay so if you're chatting to strangers you can actually tell them apart. It's also open source and free, which is nice.

We have a 512 slot mumble server running with generous bandwidth limits.

Where?
Address: server.herosquad.org
Port: 64738 (default - you can leave it blank when connecting)

What?
We use Mumble for many different games. It provides excellent audio quality, without having to fight with whatever game you're playing. I'm looking at you, release-day Battlefield 3!

It's also useful for coordinating large numbers of people. In games with their own VOIP solution, a two-tier approach of using ingame for banter and Mumble for information or e.g. inter-squad communications works very well.

Smaller groups use it too. In addition to the big fish (currently planetside 2), there are also dozens of people using the server for everything from Dota 2 to Neverwinter. Some folks even use it for playing pen-and-paper RPGs or just idly chatting when not playing anything.

The server has dozens of channels by default, but by right clicking on one you'll be able to make your own temporary one. This works well for those Hot Releases that there aren't enough permanent channels for. You can even put a password your temporary channel. If you're playing something regularly enough to warrant a permanent channel, or find that you need admin rights over a channel for some reason, post here or send me a PM.

FAQ?


Q: Do I have to use push to talk?
A: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE USE PUSH TO TALK. Yes, it can be annoying having to press a button, but it’s better than having to listen to constant heavy breathing! Be considerate of other users!




Q: Someone is being annoying!
A: Right click on them, select ‘local mute’. If they’re being truly offensive/abusive, find an admin or name and shame them here.




Q: How do I find an Admin?
A: If it’s urgent, you can right click on the root channel (Rock Paper Shotgun Mumble Server), go to groups, and select either admin for global admins (just me for now) or a relevant acronym (e.g. ps2 - vanu - eu - full is channel admins for the EU Planetside 2 Vanu outfit) and see a list of people you could bug. Alternatively, post here or send me a PM.




Q: I want to hear one person but not the rest of this rabble!
A: Select said person, right click, pick ‘priority speaker’. Useful for group leaders, but note that this is a local setting. You can't currently prioritise speakers for others, even when you're an admin!




Q: There are no empty slots to connect to!
A: Unlikely. If this happens, report it here and I’ll increase the number of slots.




Q: There’s no room / too few subchannels for the game I want to play!
A: All users should be able to make temporary channels by right clicking an existing channel (e.g. games) and then going to “Add”. If you're playing a lot of a game, or need local admin powers for some reason, post here or send me a PM.




Q: How do I create/use a passworded room?
A: When creating a room there will be an option to specify a password. If a room is created with a password specified, you need to go to Server->Access Tokens, then add the password. You’ll then be able to access the room.


How?
If you already have Mumble installed, you can click here. (mumble://server.herosquad.org:64738/?version=1.2.3) If not:


Download (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/files/) Mumble.

You do NOT need Murmur, as that is the server executable.


Run the Mumble installer executable.

Follow the prompts.
Create a certificate when asked (painless, works instead of passwords).
A pinging sound whenever you try to click something is a sign that you're supposed to click on another menu. If you have multiple displays, perhaps the box you seek is on another screen?


Please SET UP PUSH TO TALK.
You'll reach a prompt that looks vaguely like Fig. 1:


http://www.herosquad.org/images/mumbleguide/figure1.gif
Fig. 1: Welcome screen and RPS server details (animated gif)



Click "add new" and fill in the following details per Fig. 1. The label and your name do not matter, but try to keep it clean.

You can leave the port blank if it isn't filled in automatically!


Click OK.
Attempt to connect to the server by double clicking on your new Rock Paper Shotgun! entry. You'll always be able to find the server easily through your favourites (Server->Connect or Ctrl+o).

Nullkigan
29-12-2011, 06:46 PM
Using the Overlay
Overlays show you who is speaking, by overlaying a bit of text on your screen. Ever used the Steam browser whilst playing a game? Similar idea.

Mumble has a very good and customisable overlay built into it. I find it extremely stable and less crash-prone than all of the ones available for Teamspeak 3 and other competing VOIP clients, but your mileage may vary.

Go to configure, settings and check the box in the bottom left labeled “Advanced”. Then select the Overlay tab on the left. At the top of the screen, make sure Enable Overlay is checked. First, go to the Overlay Exceptions tab. I’d recommend putting it on whitelist mode and adding the .exes you wish to use it with manually. Fig. 2A illustrates this process. Whilst it is very stable, the overlay can still cause conflicts with some systems/games. The number one bug-fixing tip is to turn off the overlay!


http://www.herosquad.org/images/mumbleguide/figure2.png
Fig. 2: Various useful overlay settings

Next you will want to fine-tune the positioning and contents of the overlay. Return to the layout tab and use the red pin to drag the target position of the user list to somewhere convenient. It’ll probably take several attempts to get it just right. If you’re playing with a large group, you may wish to only show people who are currently speaking. To do this, click on the list of names (not the pin) and go to Filter, then click on “Only talking”, per Fig. 2B. Right click the user list again, then go to edit. I like to use the settings shown in Fig. 2C, which removes the black boxes and user icons but leaves the text and mute status intact. Make sure you apply appropriate settings to all of the States!

As well as dis/enabling certain display elements, you can click on the ones shown on the screen and drag them around to rearrange things. Finally, before closing the Overlay Editor window, left then right click on the text (e.g. Talking) and go to font. I find that size 20 verdana is nice and clear at 1900 x 1200.

Whisper Lists
You find yourself in a subchannel and wish to transmit to people in other subchannels. It is dark. You may annoy another user.


Rock Paper Shotgun (Unofficial) VOIP Server
+General Chatter
+Games
}----+ Arma 2
| }---+ Blufor
| | }---+ Alpha
| | | } Nullkigan
| | }---+ Bravo
| | | } Bodge
| | }---+ Charlie
| | } President Weasel
| }---+ Opfor
| }---+ Alpha
| } Joseph
}----+ Alien Swarm
| } Washington
+AFK

Fig. 3: Example user layout

Let’s say that Nullkigan (in Blufor Alpha) wishes to send a message to Bodge (in Blufor Bravo) – perhaps because his squad needs some fire support. He’s happy for President Weasel (in Blufor Charlie) to hear the request, so Charlie can stay clear of the danger zone, but don’t wish to alert Joseph (in Opfor Alpha) because he’s the target of the fire mission. Nullkigan also doesn’t wish to annoy Washington, who is playing an entirely different game (in the Alien Swarm channel).

To do this, go to Configure -> Settings -> Shortcuts. Per Fig. 4A, click the Add button, then click “unassigned” and use the drop-down list to select “Whisper/Shout”. Select data. Click the box with the ellipsis (…) inside. Select “Shout to channel”, then scroll to the bottom and find the “Parent” entry. Additionally select “whisper to subchannels”. Click OK. Select “shortcut” and press the button you wish to use as a shortcut for whispering. Then check the box marked suppress if you wish to prevent other applications from receiving those key presses whilst mumble is running (warning: if you suppress “o” and leave mumble open, your important emails will come out funny!).


http://www.herosquad.org/images/mumbleguide/figure4.png
Fig. 4: Setting up whisper lists

Now to return to our example. If Nullkigan hit his whisper key he would transmit to: BluFor (Alpha’s parent), Alpha (which he is in), Bravo (a subchannel of BluFor), Charlie, but not Opfor, Opfor’s Alpha subchannel, or the Alien Swarm channel.

If he had selected “root” instead of parent, all channels would receive the whisper. If he was in Blufor when he tried this, Alpha/Bravo/Charlie would get the whisper, but so would Arma2 (Blufor’s parent), Opfor (including Opfor Alpha/Bravo/Etc), and so Joseph would hear him. If he was in Arma2 and tried this, people in Alienswarm and other games would hear him, as the parent would be the games channel, and all game channels are subchannels of it. So only use this type of whisper when in an appropriate subchannel!

Advanced Whisper Lists
Consider the previous example of calling a firemission from another squad, and all other squads on my team being able to hear and react to this. Sometimes this is not desirable; what happens when we have 20+ players who are all shouting at people in other squads? Do I have to listen to that fool in Alpha when I’m just a grunt? The solution is Group Restricted Whispers.

In Fig. 4A there is an option called “Restrict to group”. If we enter #mytoken here, only people who satisfy the conditions of the whisper list (i.e. in an appropriate nearby channel) and also have the mytoken access token can hear the whisper. Note that when restricting to group, you need to at a # in front of the token, but you do not need to do this when adding the token to your client to allow you to hear these whispers.

To add an access token, go to Server->Access Tokens->Add at the main screen.

I recommend the use of an access token of “cc” for Command Circuit chatter. This lets squad leaders and mission commanders communicate without drowning out or annoying fireteam members. Anyone can listen to these messages by adding the cc access token to their client, and removing it prevents you from hearing it. It does need a seperate key for transmissions, but this is easily set up by following the above guide.

Siddin
27-03-2012, 10:53 PM
The helpful Fig. 1, Fig. 2 and Fig. 4 aren't showing up, I'm afraid.

Draakon
19-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Another thing do note is that Mumble and Windows 7 like to turn down Arma 2 VON volume and thus you might not hear people speaking on VON. However, there's a fix for it:

For mumble:
1) Open Configure - Settings - Audio Output.
2) Tick of "while other users talk" and "while you talk"
For Windows 7:
1) Start - Control Panel
1.1) If a new window opens, click Hardware and Sound - Sound - Communications and click on "Do nothing"
1.2) If a menu appears, click on Sound - Communications and click on "Do nothing"

There we go. You should be able to hear people on VON much better.

Joe_Robins
04-07-2012, 03:33 PM
I wanted to quiz how the #cc token works for if I were an FTL. Would it be needed? or is this something just for the Squad leaders?
After my first Tactical Tuesday last night I feel confident enough to step into the shoes of an FTL next time round but was curious as to how FTL comms is handled normally.

Wolfenswan
04-07-2012, 04:58 PM
I wanted to quiz how the #cc token works for if I were an FTL. Would it be needed? or is this something just for the Squad leaders?
After my first Tactical Tuesday last night I feel confident enough to step into the shoes of an FTL next time round but was curious as to how FTL comms is handled normally.


In theory FTLs won't need CC as their Squad Leader will handle it.

In Praxis Squad Leaders tend to die, so it's up to the highest fire team leader to take over leading the squad (FTL1>FTL2>FTL3). If all FTLs are dead it's up to the highest AR, then AAR, then RAT (though by then it's usually better to merge the squad with another one).

So the ideal scenario would be that all FTLs either have CC enabled or can enable it on short notice in case SL bites the dust - but as long as SL is dead they don't talk on CC.

Nullkigan
24-11-2012, 01:08 PM
I got annoyed at not being able to get into the server last night due to the sheer number of Planetside 2 fans, so:



Slots bumped up to 256
Audio Quality bumped up to 90kb/s


Please post any issues, such as mass desynch, in here so I can try to investigate them. The available resources on the server are far, far, far in excess of mumble's requirements but sometimes the software gets wonky.

(For those interested, it's currently hosted on the arma 2 box which has 15 gb/month bandwidth on a 100 mb/s port with a sandy bridge i5 processor)


Also please refrain from making temporary channels permanent or creating channels with offensive, misogynistic or otherwise 'ironic' names. I will rename any i see and potentially ban repeat offenders.

Nullkigan
25-02-2013, 08:03 PM
So I'm moving the server to a different box which will let me bump up audio quality even further, increase the number of slots and do a few other things I've been meaning to follow up on for a while. This includes a full purge of all accounts and channels as what we had was largely unplanned and grew from 10 users to 100+.

If over the next few days people could briefly pop onto server2.herosquad.org and register themselves, test things out, etc, I'd be grateful. The old server will be around for a little while longer and the transition will largely be painless.

Admins: send me PMs about what channels you need powers over. I'm also considering adding a couple of other account levels with stuff like mute and kick abilities.

EsotericReverie
26-02-2013, 02:31 PM
Yay, good news! I think we in the Rock, Planet, Shotgun Planetside 2 outfit probably are responsible for much of the recent influx of users, as we regularly have 40+ people at a time on Mumble. We would certainly appreciate having a couple more people with admin rights in the Planetside 2 channel. We have also had uninvited "guests" in our channels, mucking about being generally annoying, so a few people with mute/kick abilities would be most welcome.

Thanks for taking care of this, it is an indispensible tool for us!

Nullkigan
12-04-2013, 06:17 PM
I've long since lost track of all the different threads in the Planetside 2 subforum, and I know this one is dead, but I do feel compelled to ask how well last night worked out, Performance and Logistics wise.

I've not seen any complaints about the server dropping out or going robovoice yet, so hopefully that didn't happen.

There are currently only three admins for the PS2 - EU - VANU tag, which isn't many for drag / mute / kicking 200+ people. Who else needs these abilities? I can restrict different people to different tasks, but I'd rather have no more than two groups. Full control of the local channels and drag / mute, perhaps.

Surlywombat
13-04-2013, 08:55 PM
I played and it sounded fine for me, thanks so much for it.

EsotericReverie
02-05-2013, 01:27 PM
There are currently only three admins for the PS2 - EU - VANU tag, which isn't many for drag / mute / kicking 200+ people. Who else needs these abilities? I can restrict different people to different tasks, but I'd rather have no more than two groups. Full control of the local channels and drag / mute, perhaps.

I have set up some ACL rules such that it should be possible for anyone in one of the leadership channels (PL/SL etc) to move people around in Mumble, if they end up in the wrong channels, and mute anyone being annoying, so that should be okay. Control for moving channels around would be nice to be able to deal out to a few more though, given the new platoon -> units -> squads subdivision we're using now. I did notice that I could add people to the "local admin" group, which is very good. Not really sure we need more than that.

Edit: Oh, and as far as I know, the server has been working perfectly well, so I'll echo Surlywombat: many thanks for keeping things running so smoothly!

Jerodar
03-05-2013, 08:48 PM
It seems that the way to track down admins posted in the first post is no longer working : /
So I'll just try over here; is it possible to get a permanent channel setup for our new RPS Neverwinter guild (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?23-Neverwinter)?

Nullkigan
03-05-2013, 09:32 PM
Done. Give me some registered usernames and I'll hand out some channel admin rights.

Jerodar
03-05-2013, 10:09 PM
Thanks a lot Nullkigan, and nice channel name you thought up :P
I was getting distracted when you messaged me on mumble, but we got one more wannabe channel admin, Styxie.
If you could give him channel admin rights as well we'd be all set.

Boosh
10-05-2013, 09:12 PM
Hi,

I registered on the server as Boosh, but I use a different name ingame (ps2), which isn't ideal. I've had a good google but doesn't seem to be anyway for me to de-register myself or enforce a name change. I've even tried re-installing mumble.

Could an admin remove my registration when possible please? Or provide further advice if there is something I can do myself.


Thanks,

Nullkigan
10-05-2013, 09:13 PM
I have removed your user registration.

Boosh
10-05-2013, 09:54 PM
That was quick! Thanks :)

JimTheDog
10-05-2013, 11:23 PM
Any chance at putting a sticky about the mumble server in the main 'root' forum for fun and games? It seems quite universal now.

Nullkigan
10-05-2013, 11:27 PM
I can throw the thread down there, but I can't sticky it. I haven't so far because I keep forgetting to update the first post and fix the missing images.


EDIT: Speaking of which, done. I think?

JimTheDog
11-05-2013, 07:17 AM
Awesome! Hopefully it shall get stickied soon.

Chris2000SP
15-05-2013, 10:01 PM
Nice use of the ACLs on your mumble-server!

I have also created one a bit simpler than yours:

(German)
mmorpg-kanal (http://wiki.natenom.name/mumble/benutzerhandbuch/murmur/acl/mmorpg-kanal)

JimTheDog
22-05-2013, 08:13 AM
Bump, because this is totally critical information! Who do we whine at to get this stickied?

JimTheDog
28-05-2013, 09:29 AM
A very SHAMED bump, but this thread is critical information, yo. Does anyone know who we whine at to get this stickied?

Skhalt
30-05-2013, 02:50 PM
Sending a mail to Jim is probably your best bet.

Bodge
31-05-2013, 10:53 AM
if that doesn't work you could possibly tweet him it.

JimTheDog
06-06-2013, 08:33 AM
Okay, I shall give that a shot.

Nullkigan
07-06-2013, 07:05 PM
I've updated the server software to 1.2.4 (Hello, Opus codec). Hit a Y when upgrading when I needed an N, so the regex that validates names will be funny until the next time I see few enough people on to warrant restarting it again.

The first step to resolving issues is always to try another name first.

Ksempac
12-06-2013, 08:16 PM
Question : Who pays for that server ? i see no mention of donation, so is that simply hosted by RPS ?

Nullkigan
12-06-2013, 08:37 PM
Unless Jim and Co have snuck in a few silent bobs without me noticing (doubtful), it's all been community donations.

There's no current mention of donations because we're good until something like next February and I don't want to handle the responsibility of other peoples money and goodwill that far in advance.

Ksempac
12-06-2013, 08:41 PM
Thank you very much :) As a member of the PS2 outfit, I'm very grateful for that server, without which we wouldn't be able to do as much as we do ingame :)

Nullkigan
13-06-2013, 07:49 PM
This is a reminder to upgrade to version 1.2.4 if you haven't already.

The server is set to switch to the OPUS codec (new in 1.2.4) only when 100% of users have it, and use CELT at all other times. However, it seems to have gotten stuck in OPUS mode. Again, I'll fix this when I'm next online during a low population period.

QuantaCat
25-09-2013, 10:26 AM
urgh. I changed the title of the thread shortly, but then remember that that also changes the link to the thread. so I changed it back. was just trying to be a bit more informational, sorry about that.

Cetshwayo
26-01-2015, 04:43 PM
Did the mumble server die? Keep getting connection refused. I had 1.2.6 and just tried updating to 1.2.8 but same problem.

EDIT - Spoke to a few others, it's down for them as well.

CMaster
16-02-2015, 07:24 PM
The RPS Mumble server is going away (http://www.herosquad.org/2015/02/16/services-terminating/)

So I guess that needs to be considered.

Krathor
16-02-2015, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the update, CMaster.

The GW2 community currently does not use the Herosquad server and instead a very kind former guildie of ours operates a small Mumble. We also use another guildie's TeamSpeak for large events, although it does creak after around 200 people on simultaneously.

Given the very final nature of that update, I shall look into alternative solutions for the wider RPS communities.

Cei
16-02-2015, 08:58 PM
Yeaaah, as a community we need to sort something out that works for everybody.

Challenger2uk
16-02-2015, 10:49 PM
How many players do you think will be on, on a daily basis at one time?

CMaster
16-02-2015, 11:08 PM
How many players do you think will be on, on a daily basis at one time?

I think Peak was somewhre in the the 200-300 range.
Most nights seem to be 20-50, although if GW2 etc was to join in, that might go up a bit?

Dewi
16-02-2015, 11:56 PM
http://www.creeperhost.net/services.php dedicated at the bottom. can run murmur. had one a year ago. excellent service

Dewi
16-02-2015, 11:57 PM
oh and they run clanpay for donations

Cei
17-02-2015, 10:52 AM
Personally I think we should take the plunge and move from Mumble to Teamspeak. Then it's a case of hosting and possible funding.

sinomatic
17-02-2015, 11:33 AM
Personally I think we should take the plunge and move from Mumble to Teamspeak. Then it's a case of hosting and possible funding.

Why? I haven't really spent much time in teamspeak, so I'm not sure of the relative merits of it.

Dewi
17-02-2015, 02:50 PM
Mumble is cheaper and much more lightweight. Its acl's can be a pain but it is much better suited to large numbers of groups and users with limited resources

BasicPauly
17-02-2015, 02:57 PM
This is a shame. I would personally like to see a replacement mumble take its place, because I don't get on with TS or vent, but it's not up to me.

I hope somebody gets something sorted, it would be a shame to lose the community.

Wonder why he decided to end it and why he's not willing to offer support.
:/

anyway, What we really need it one of the rps team to host us an official one, an maybe support it using rps ad revenue income as well as donations.

Cephas
17-02-2015, 03:54 PM
The only real benefit of TS is the fact you can have overlays that work in 64bit applications and a slightly nicer UI.

Mumble is, as far as I know, better for large numbers and has lower latency. I think it also does volume normalisation so no one will blast your ears off with poor config.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd be happy to put £1 into a pot for a server.

Cei
17-02-2015, 04:28 PM
A working overlay is part of the reason I like TS, but it's also a bit more flexible in terms of room management. However, if people are happy staying with Mumble then that's fine.

So what do we need? 100 slots? 200? A 200 slot server with Multiplay is £96 for 12 months. I'm willing to pay that upfront and get this off the ground. However, after the first 12 months it will double in price as they have a 50% off right now.

The other alternative is if somebody has a sufficient home connection?

Cooper
17-02-2015, 04:54 PM
I'd rather stay with Mumble. I find that it's more user-friendly for basic users even if it's less user friendly for more complicated stuff.

Happy to pitch in for the server. It's probably worth asking for a front page post about it. I'll ask Graham when I ask about a CtA post tonight.

Dewi
17-02-2015, 05:45 PM
You're better off with a dedicated than multiplayer. Needs a little more work but you have greater control. I know nulk was using a dedicated from OVH (google them). What multiplay charge is disgusting considering the flexibility you get with a dedicated. I'm tempted to pick this up since I've dabbled with servers for various RPS activities before. Perhaps a (can't believe I'm saying this) meeting with prominent community members?

Cei
17-02-2015, 05:53 PM
Problem with that dedicated box, Dewi, is it costing a mere £35 a month. Mumble is resource light as well, which means whoever has admin rights is going to be very tempted to use the box for something else, which isn't fair when it's a community funded effort?

However, I think a chat at some point is needed. What are the main communities? PS2, GW, Paradox and who else?

Dewi
17-02-2015, 05:55 PM
Also I'm an idiot and read that as 96 a month son disregard my words on pricing

Dewi
17-02-2015, 05:56 PM
Yeah but it does open us up to game server hosting, for things like Arma, tekkit etc. Could be of value to people

Cei
17-02-2015, 05:59 PM
I agree in that sense, but I think people may have a problem paying for something they don't use. Also, yes, £96 for the first year after which it doubles. If it was that much per month I'd want them to post me gold in envelopes.

Krathor
17-02-2015, 06:38 PM
However, I think a chat at some point is needed. What are the main communities? PS2, GW, Paradox and who else?

Aye. Dota 2 is quite active as well, although has crossover with the other folks. The only one I'm unsure about is ARMA 3 as they have their own site - do they have their own VoIP too?

Dewi
17-02-2015, 06:43 PM
They sure do Krathor. The ARMA 3 lot is mostly a separate entity these days. They don't really use these forums, and use their own server and mumble

Cei
17-02-2015, 06:54 PM
Neverwinter seems to have users as well.

CMaster
17-02-2015, 07:25 PM
Personally I feel that TS is easier to use for newcomers too. Sure, it's got more options, but they're presented much more approachably. It's also easier to set things up with some kind of heirarchy involving channel commanders etc too.

On the other hand, Mumble has come on considerably since we started using it, and the comms set up we wound up with in the end using ACL and tree-based wisper binds is something that you can't do at all in TS as far as I know.

I'd say it's not really important which one is used. Mumble obviously has some intertia behind in. TS is probably more likley to be already installed and set up on newcomers machines. I've got a mild preference for TS I guess, but there's nothing that important in it.

The DOTA rooms do indeed often seem busy.

On the rent a whole server vs rent a voice comms server with slots thing. There's a third option - rent a VPS, which has the benefit of being easily scalable. I'd say a whole server seems overkill for just voicecomms - the point of doing it surely would be that it could be used for other community stuff.

As for funding etc - might be worth reaching out to the RPS owners - they've been able to snag servers for free in the past off various providers in exchange for some name dropping. As for running it - rather than going to community leaders, make sense to me just to ask for anyone who wants to get involved in running the comms to speak up and form a "working group". Ideally if it goes anywhere come up with some kind of sucession plan so this doesn't happen to us again.

Cei
17-02-2015, 07:31 PM
I think the community chat is more about deciding Mumble vs TeamSpeak, funding etc. rather than the community leaders being the admins automagically.

VPS is a reasonable idea, where do they fall in the cost hierarchy?

Challenger2uk
17-02-2015, 08:55 PM
RPS has a pingperfect Life is Feudal server (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?16167-Rock-Paper-Life-Is-Feudal). I think someone there had a word with them to set it up. QuantaCat I think would like to set up a Space Engineers (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?12735-Rock-Paper-Space-Engineers) server which they can host as well. So I think this is worth a shot with contacting pingperfect and the person who set up the LiF server to see if a deal can be struck.
I dunno much about servers or hosting etc but if you need help financially or whatever just let me know.

mickygor
18-02-2015, 09:07 AM
Having looked at the resource usage for large mumble servers, a reasonably cheap vps should be fine enough so long as the host is okay with potentially high bandwidth usage. We'd probably be better off with a cheap dedi from ovh as you're not sharing resources with other users then. I'd be happy to chip in with funding for whatever we decide, but whatever we do we shouldn't have one point of failure so that this situation can't arise again.

Cei
18-02-2015, 09:20 AM
Can I suggest we have a meeeting about this at the weekend? Sunday?

Dewi
18-02-2015, 03:13 PM
Run by OVH, cheap enough.https://www.soyoustart.com/en/innovation-zone/game-servers/

CMaster
18-02-2015, 06:40 PM
Run by OVH, cheap enough.https://www.soyoustart.com/en/innovation-zone/game-servers/

Random billing period.
Edit:
Works out at £521.22 a year (slightly less for the first year, as there is a 50% discount applied up until the end of feb) or £43.44 PCM (roughly, but not billed monthly) for the cheapest (and only in stock) option.

Cei
18-02-2015, 06:41 PM
It's a way to make it look cheaper.

In other news, I think I may have solved the problem.

mickygor
18-02-2015, 06:58 PM
Kimsufi's a better option. We could get in contact with OVH and ask as to whether one is likely to be available by mid march.

Cei
18-02-2015, 07:04 PM
Okay, so today I was put in contact with a friend of a friend who works for OVH. I have a VPS Cloud 1 server (https://www.ovh.co.uk/vps/vps-cloud.xml) that is free for the next six months, and I'm just waiting for an email with the login details. After those six months it switches to the standard £10.19/month cost.

So, I'm offering this to RPS for use as a Mumble box. If people want to donate towards it that'd be lovely, if not, no problem, because I can afford £10.19 a month without blinking an eyelid. Finally, if I leave the community at some point, I'm totally willing to work out a way to transfer account ownership to anybody the community wants.

Krathor
18-02-2015, 07:23 PM
Well Cei, sounds like you've nailed it. That solution sounds spot on and means we can easily put the comms in place (like updating the OP to reflect) by the end of March.

How does one donate?

Cei
18-02-2015, 09:30 PM
I'll likely set up a PayPal donation thing, but as it is free for six months there's no rush.

Cooper
18-02-2015, 11:01 PM
WAIT!

Jim just responded to an email (about the C2A and the comms server)

He stated that he knows the Multiplay people, and will 'sort out a deal and pay for the server'.

So we should probably wait for that, no?

Cei
19-02-2015, 12:06 AM
Can do. Mine can just sit there and after 6 free months can just expire easily enough.

Cei
19-02-2015, 12:17 PM
Well I had a play, and have a 500 person server running at the moment no problem.

Cei
19-02-2015, 01:26 PM
Mmmm triple post.

So, spoke to Jim, we're all sorted. The server is up and running on 5.196.21.224:64738, and Jim is looking in to whether we can get http://mumble.rockpapershotgun.com forwarded for easy connection.

Obviously it needs channels configuring and all that.

EDIT: We are go for address. Just needs to propagate across DNS servers.

mrpier
19-02-2015, 05:19 PM
I approve of this.

CMaster
19-02-2015, 05:40 PM
Mmmm triple post.

So, spoke to Jim, we're all sorted. The server is up and running on 5.196.21.224:64738, and Jim is looking in to whether we can get http://mumble.rockpapershotgun.com forwarded for easy connection.

Obviously it needs channels configuring and all that.

EDIT: We are go for address. Just needs to propagate across DNS servers.

I get a cert error on connection.

I perhaps should have viewed the cert to see why (I suspect because multiplay is issuing but I connected to mumble.rps)

Looking at it now, it's a "murmur autogenerated certificate" which probably isn't valid for anything. Best to just disable SSL to the sever?

Cei
19-02-2015, 05:59 PM
Just so people know, you need to just accept the certificate. I'm going to work on fixing it, but it requires a bit of effort and time to solve (and a level 2 SSL certificate I think).

Krathor
20-02-2015, 06:39 PM
As Cei has successfully set up a new Mumble server, I've stuck the thread (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?18079-README-Mumble-VOIP-for-the-RPS-Community) relating to that and I'm unsticking this one. We've set up a lot of the channels in the new Mumble this evening, it's just the SSL certificate that needs sorting (you can still access the server as usual - just click the box).

Krathor
22-02-2015, 07:52 PM
As Cooper has correctly pointed out, this thread is linked to as a reference for the community Mumble across the Internet. I've therefore made the top of the OP clearer that folks should plan to stop using the one referenced here from 23rd March onward.

Shockeh
07-08-2015, 09:38 AM
As a totally random aside (because I rarely read the RPS forum, I was reminded by someone else) if this issue comes up again, I can basically donate a server for nothing; I have the spare compute, so I simply don't mind. Worth bearing in mind if/when renewals come up.

Cei
07-08-2015, 01:02 PM
Eh? We have a new server and have done for months. It's funded by RPS themselves so it isn't going anywhere.