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The JG Man
12-01-2012, 09:17 PM
According to a perusal of Sonic Retro, some Steam registry investimigating (http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=23001&view=findpost&p=656050) has turned up that since being first put on Steam, it's been heavily updated and looks to have a configuration menu outside of the game, like Sonic Generations.

Gameplay trailer...

http://youtu.be/QzHhRbDXWWE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHhRbDXWWE)

...this physics demonstration highlights one of the reasons why it wasn't as loved by the fan-base as it intended to be.

http://youtu.be/LiMi1fq79BE

On the plus side, maybe it'll be moddable? Ironic that Sonic 4 was intended to be liked by the 'hard core' fans, whilst Sonic Colours wasn't and how the two groups seemed to like the other game more, generally speaking. Which begs the question, why the hell haven't Sega realised they'd get a good load of sales off a well priced Sonic Colours port to PS360/PC?

In other Sonic related news, no word on the release date of Sonic Generations' DLC (Casino Night pinball) which was supposed to be released Boxing Day, as well as absolute silence on the Sonic CD front. That, too, is in the Steam registry but seems to be kept quite quiet.

Flint
12-01-2012, 09:45 PM
Yeah I'm not too excited about this, never have been either: back when it was first announced I felt like giving it a resounding 'meh' due to the air of desperation the project had all over it. But I'm probably going to get it anyway, if just for completionism's sake. Although I'd be far, far more interested in that Sonic CD re-release which they seem to be hiding for some insane reason.

(in other Sonic news, the Sonic Generations OST is finally out, which makes 2012 already amazing when it comes to music releases - especially since I hadn't heard the 3DS songs before and they're just as amazing as the proper version ones. Must get the physical copy someday, the box looks gorgeous)

The JG Man
12-01-2012, 10:49 PM
I played the demo on the 360 and deleted it after about 15 minutes, thoroughly disappointed. We'll see what this version is like though...

And yes, I have the SGOST and it is fantastic. Definitely listen to Big Arm if you haven't yet. It makes the original version seem like filler boss music.

(Incidentally, I was going to make a general purpose Sonic thread because it's usually the same people posting in them, but I thought this was stand-outish news to warrant it's own. Maybe down the line if we get more PC games...)

Flint
12-01-2012, 10:53 PM
(Incidentally, I was going to make a general purpose Sonic thread because it's usually the same people posting in them, but I thought this was stand-outish news to warrant it's own. Maybe down the line if we get more PC games...)
I was actually thinking just a day or so ago that the SonGens topic could be converted into a general Sonic discussion topic (seeing as we've already discussed CD et al there).

LGM
12-01-2012, 11:51 PM
Ugh. I played Sonic 4 "episode 1" on Wii and it was NOT enjoyable. Slow, poor physics, etc...

I'll never understand SEGA. They're sitting on a pile of IP's that they do nothing with, and yet they will make Sonic game after Sonic game. They hit a home run with Generations, they should lay off for a bit.

Hey suit-jerks running SEGA, give us fucking Shenmue 3 right now! How many millions of times do people have to ask for it before they make it? Also, a new Streets of Rage wouldn't be a bad thing. But hey, I guess 30 new Sonic games by 2020 will be ok too. NOT!

The JG Man
15-01-2012, 06:49 PM
CD news, straight from The Taxman (http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=26302&st=2715&p=656551&#entry656551) (the guy who made the Retro engine CD runs on).


The steam version is coming very soon, the release date was affected by logistics that's all I can really say.

My guess? It's related to the impending release of Episode 4.

Flint
15-01-2012, 06:55 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they've timed the two together to get a double-pack promo going on for them.

The JG Man
15-01-2012, 07:05 PM
Right. I wonder if they'll roll in the Generations DLC too?

Ugh, depending on the PC changes for Episode 1...a double pack may be worth it. Hnnnnng.

Dominic Tarason
15-01-2012, 07:12 PM
The Sonic CD port is excellent and you should buy it.

It also highlights everything wrong with Sonic 4, which you should avoid. It's seriously bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqTd_VBeKY

Flint
15-01-2012, 07:12 PM
Right. I wonder if they'll roll in the Generations DLC too?
Would be a pretty good timing to release that as well. Although I still think you guys should calm down about it slightly because the Casino Night pinball really isn't all that special and you might overhype it for yourselves!

The JG Man
15-01-2012, 07:16 PM
The Sonic CD port is excellent and you should buy it.

I actually did on my iPod Touch. It's...hard and new, but I'm enjoying it for the most part. I'm struggling with the touch controls and died several times on the final level, but it's solid, I'll give it that. Can't wait for it to come out on Steam.


It also highlights everything wrong with Sonic 4, which you should avoid. It's seriously bad.


...good god.


Although I still think you guys should calm down about it slightly because the Casino Night pinball really isn't all that special and you might overhype it for yourselves!

No chance of that happening :) I want it to muck around in, much like I do in SG anyhow now. It's also something of precedent; if SG gets any more DLC, is the PC version gonna have delayed responses to it like this again?

Flint
15-01-2012, 07:23 PM
It's also something of precedent; if SG gets any more DLC, is the PC version gonna have delayed responses to it like this again?
Which brings in the question, can we see them releasing additional DLC content for the game? Both Sonic 06 and Unleashed were heavily DLC supported for a long time after their release so those act as a pretty good precedent. I really doubt we'd see new levels or general unique nostalgia content like the pinball (as that'd require new music and Sonic Team's not bothered with that for DLC so far), but I could see them easily adding additional missions and such.

The JG Man
15-01-2012, 07:30 PM
Well they have the contents for Stardust Speedway...

But yeah, you make a good point. To be honest, I'd be happy in seeing a few more bosses and acts for zones.

DarioSamo
15-01-2012, 09:02 PM
Sonic 4's first zone is horrible, that's no doubt. The weird part is, I enjoyed mid-game a lot. Especially the gimmicky Labyrinths/Ruin zone. The art wasn't so ugly in those parts, and they were just more fun overall. That gimmick of the card bridge on the casino level is neat.

Bhazor
15-01-2012, 10:26 PM
"WARNING: Video Contains Comic Mischief"

That always cracks me up.

On topic.
I've never liked Sonic so hearing this is bad for a sonic game does not fill me with hope.

Kodeen
15-01-2012, 11:01 PM
So is the momentum for Sonic 4 that bad even if you hold forward on the d-pad? It looks like everybody is complaining that the momentum is lost if you don't hold it, but I always do.

I'm currently playing Sonic Adventure DX purely as a backlog reduction exercise. It's definitely not bad but the PC port is ... eh. Couldn't even force AA through the Nvidia driver.

The JG Man
15-01-2012, 11:29 PM
You can maintain some but, from what I recall, it dissipates rather quickly.

Abraham
16-01-2012, 02:30 AM
day one. I hope the release Sonic CD soon

Dominic Tarason
16-01-2012, 03:46 AM
So is the momentum for Sonic 4 that bad even if you hold forward on the d-pad? It looks like everybody is complaining that the momentum is lost if you don't hold it, but I always do.

Basically, the problem is that there's no physics engine. Sonic retains no inertia. It vaguely imitates this, but only so long as you hold down the 'go fast' button. You can't just let go of the button while rolling and expect to coast to a stop, but rather just abruptly stop dead.

coldvvvave
16-01-2012, 07:40 AM
Is Sonic a muslim?


...ok that wasn't funny.

Drinking with Skeletons
16-01-2012, 07:45 PM
Basically, the problem is that there's no physics engine. Sonic retains no inertia. It vaguely imitates this, but only so long as you hold down the 'go fast' button. You can't just let go of the button while rolling and expect to coast to a stop, but rather just abruptly stop dead.

So what's the problem with this? Admittedly, it's probably been...God, fifteen years or so since I last played a Sonic game, but I seem to recall cheap pits and spikes being integral parts of the experience. Wouldn't this help avoid them?

c-Row
16-01-2012, 10:52 PM
Well they have the contents for Stardust Speedway..

Oh yes please! That and Collision Chaos were the best stages of Sonic CD, and I would love to hear a remixed version of their respective tunes as well.

The JG Man
18-01-2012, 01:19 AM
With the finer details (publisher details, website links etc.) on Sonic 4 added to the registry and Sonic CD apparently re-emerging, I can't see them not doing a double-pack release, definitely within the next few days, if not tomorrow/today (delete as appropriate to your time zone).

How would people feel about a Sonic thread being made when they do come out? Seems pointless having two threads on the go, not to mention it'll likely stir up discussion of Episode 2, Generations and everything else Sonic. I would imagine it'd be best to do in the social section of the forums. I also propose the title of Rock, Paper, Sonic for such a thread.

Also in the mean time, let's play a game of "People who want Sonic CD, don't want 4, but will probably get it anyhow if it's reduced in price as a pack?"

Rauten
18-01-2012, 01:30 AM
I suggest "Sonic, Rock, Paper" as name, simply because Sonic is faster and will always get there first (yeah, yeah, I'm horrible).

Also, if it does indeed come at a reduced enough price, I do suppose I'll buy the pack; Otherwise, just CD.

DarioSamo
18-01-2012, 02:04 AM
A Sonic thread would be nice. I'm glad that Sonic titles are coming to PC(I would include the racing game in a broad definition as well) when they're actually in some pretty good years for them. Well, except for Sonic 4, but we'll see what happens with episode 2...

CuriousOrange
18-01-2012, 02:37 AM
I completely understand why people dislike Sonic 4. But I felt very similar with Generations. The new music and graphics are very nice, but the physics are also horribly wrong, and they force me to play these awful '3d' levels through.

Flint
18-01-2012, 09:24 AM
(the 3D levels are the best part of Gens)

Yeah, dedicated Sonic thread would be great. I do still think that it'd be a valid enough alternative to simply rename this and/or the Gens thread, but I suppose that'd restrict us to only talk about PC Sonic and thus we'd spend most of our time cycling through the subjects "where is Sonic CD" and "why can't we get <upcoming Sonic game> :(". Has to be a punny name though, yes.

While I'm here, would any of you know what the PC port is like with Sonic Riders? Ever since Gens arrived I've wanted to start patching through the holes of Sonicality I've missed for one reason or another through the years, and some weeks back I bumped into a PC copy of Riders for sale in a local shop. Tempted to get it, but whether to grab the PC copy depends entirely on the state of the port.

The JG Man
18-01-2012, 09:36 AM
Do we have any advances on Rock, Paper, Sonic or Sonic, Rock, Paper?

@Dario - The aim would be to include all Sonic games currently playable on the PC, so I would include All Stars even if I've never played it :)
@Curious - I wouldn't say they were wrong per se. It's a shame they didn't go all the way in perfecting it, but I find it's definitely in the good enough category. Also, I find myself using Homing Attack with Classic a fair bit now...

EDIT: Sonic CD DLC alledgedly coming to Spiral Knights. It is very soon. More importantly, there is now a demo for Generations available on Steam. I get the impression that it's Green Hill Acts 1 and 2, which makes sense.

thegooseking
18-01-2012, 10:02 AM
Also in the mean time, let's play a game of "People who want Sonic CD, don't want 4, but will probably get it anyhow if it's reduced in price as a pack?"

The thing is, I really, really want to like Sonic 4, but I just can't. That said, I will probably get it if it's part of a pack in the sheer desperate hope that the same odd thing will happen with Sonic 4 as happened with Bastion, which I found boring on XBLA but really liked on PC even though they were pretty much identical (to the point that I played it on PC with a 360 controller).

That's a dim hope, though, since my grievances with Bastion on XBLA weren't quite as specific as the reasons I can't like Sonic 4.

cosmicolor
18-01-2012, 01:12 PM
Is there even enough Sonic on PC, excluding emulators, to justify a thread? Are all the classic Sonics on Steam by now? And this thread reminds me to start playing Generations again, got to the final zone and for some reason haven't yet actually gone ahead and beaten the game. Other games distracted me :P

DarioSamo
18-01-2012, 01:28 PM
There will be enough sonic. How does porting Unleashed to Generations sound? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDdNV4lxMc

The JG Man
18-01-2012, 01:33 PM
Well, there's Sonic 1-3&K, Sega and Sonic All Stars Racing, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Generations, Sonic CD and Sonic 4 (I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if Episode 1 is coming out, then we'll no doubt get Episode 2 and 3, if that becomes a thing), Spinball, 3D Blast and Colours emulated via Dolphin. The only main titles not available on Steam is Heroes (which is playable on the PC), 2006 and Unleashed, of which only the latter is seen as being worth playing although would seem to be bettered by Colours and Generations. Realistically, there's not much left off here. That's a fair amount of legally doable stuff (with Colours/Dolphin on the cautious side).

Add in to that the fact that a single thread allows people to come in, ask a question (say, "Is Generations worth playing?" and then later "Are there other games I should play in the series?") as well as update all the Sonic stuff in the mean time, I'd say it's worth doing.

Regardless, I'd say it should go in the clubs and general sociability section. It won't be updated all the time, but Sega seem to have a renewed interest, if not a subdued one, of making sure the PC is getting the content. That's good enough for me.

Also, another proposed name: Robotnik, Paper, Shotgun.

cosmicolor
18-01-2012, 01:47 PM
So there's a fair few then. Actually I own or have access to a few myself, namely Sonic 3D Blast and SA DX. I don't think my PC is up to the job of emulating the Wii, but then again I haven't tried yet. Is there a way to get SADX working on Windows 7 perhaps? Because I'd totally like to play it again.

Also maybe we could arrange a few games of Sonic Robo Blast 2 (http://www.srb2.org/download) somehow, or just play it. It might be fun for novelty value!

Flint
18-01-2012, 01:52 PM
The only main titles not available on Steam is Heroes (which is playable on the PC), 2006 and Unleashed, of which only the latter is seen as being worth playing.
Heroes is grossly underrated. It has its flaws (repetetiveness, plot that doesn't really know what to do with itself, cheesiness up the wazoo) but the level design is good, the soundtrack is excellent (as usual) and the gameplay, team mechanic and all, is quite good. I think it got a lot of unfair flak when it came out because devs said one thing (going a bit simpler in direction again and bringing some of the feel of the old games back after the plot-heavy Adventures) and fans interpreted it as another (they're making a 2D Sonic in 3D) but I think the general opinion's gentler about it these days. It's no masterpiece but it's a solid, good Sonic title IMO. But of course, if you're allergic to the 3D titles in the first place it's not going to convert you to their sides either.

Regarding PC Sonics, Sonic R and Sonic Riders are also out on PC if you fancy Sonic racing. The former's an old title but I see it frequently in bargain bins. And according to my research this morning, the latter's PC port is... not one of the best.

Also, name suggestions: Rock Paper Spindash (though might be a bit too vague). Rock Paper Sonic works for me too.

The JG Man
18-01-2012, 01:58 PM
I would have to vehemently disagree on Heroes. I thought it was really poor. BUT, these are the kind of discussions you can have in a dedicated thread! Not to mention discussion of fan games, like the unfortunately cancelled Sonic Fan Remix.

I do like Rock, Paper, Spindash rather a lot.

Flint
18-01-2012, 02:04 PM
Perhaps this new thread should be made at some point soon then considering we're already starting to get all these discussion branches here.

The JG Man
18-01-2012, 02:21 PM
Done! (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?2731-Rock-Paper-Sonic&p=81755#post81755)

Now, to try and find out why the image I've used is tiny...

Heliocentric
18-01-2012, 04:09 PM
The group should be called 'Robotnik, Paper, Shotgun' (say eggman and I cut you).

thegooseking
18-01-2012, 04:29 PM
(say eggman and I cut you).

But but but he was listed as ドクター エッグマン (dokutaa egguman) on page 7 of the Japanese manual for the original Sonic the Hedgehog (http://www.sonicscene.net/media/scans/manuals/sonic1gen/j05.jpg) therefore his name is Eggman!

Back in reality, I'm happy with whatever anyone wants to call him.

Miker
19-01-2012, 06:44 PM
Steam's weekend deal is Sonic titles at 50-75% off, and they've also released Sonic CD, Casino DLC, and Sonic 4 Ep 1. JG Man, if you're going to create a general sonic thread, now would be the time to do so.

Rauten
19-01-2012, 06:53 PM
He already did, but over at the Game Clubs forum: there be sonics in here. (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?2731-Rock-Paper-Sonic)

Juan Carlo
19-01-2012, 06:54 PM
Sonic CD is on steam! And it has achievements! And it's only 5 dollars!

This almost made me break my no new games for a year embargo.

Almost.

But I can wait.

Dominic Tarason
19-01-2012, 06:56 PM
Sonic CD is great. It's a good game to begin with, but this is a fan-made port/remake officially adopted by Sega, so it runs at 60fps solid, offers both Japanese and US soundtracks (completely different, for some reason - I vastly prefer the Japanese version. The US version sounds very midi-ish), has native widescreen support and some extra features/modes.

Get it. Consider getting Sonic Generations. Skip Sonic 4.

Miker
19-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Ah, didn't see that thread, thanks for the heads up.