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WombatDeath
06-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Sign-ups for season 8 are now open! If you would like to take part please do three things:

1) Add yourself to this list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&hl=en_GB#gid=30).

2) PM your email address to me (optional, but it will be very useful if I need to give you a nudge). I will not disclose it to anyone else. If you have previously PMd your address to me in an earlier season you don't need to send it again, but if you're not sure then please re-send it.

3) Click here (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/profile.php?do=editoptions) to go to the RPS forum settings and edit the 'Private Messaging' section so that you get an email and/or a popup when someone (e.g. me) sends you a PM.

Season 8 will begin on Monday 12 March and will last two weeks, so please don't sign up if you expect to be unavailable during that period. You will probably be required to play between 4 and 6 games (division sizes are subject to the number of players). Rules are as in previous seasons, and will be posted later this week.

New and old players are all welcome! No experience required, and weaponry will be provided. Sign up! (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&hl=en_GB#gid=30)

ColOfNature
06-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Totally in.

Labbes
06-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Looking forward to another season. WombatDeath, you are the best.
Also, I'll try to finish my games quicker this time. For real.

leegeorg07
06-03-2012, 09:52 PM
BOOM! And I'm in. Here's hoping I do better than last time round!

iwem.xo
06-03-2012, 09:53 PM
In!
I think I'll have a harder time of it with the people who have entered so far, but I hope I'll do as well as last time.

DeVadder
07-03-2012, 12:03 AM
Hmm i will be in Iceland the second week. But i heard they have internet there so i should be alright.
Cant wait to play.

Fumarole
07-03-2012, 01:02 AM
Here's hoping for a threepeat.

spcd
07-03-2012, 08:58 AM
This time I will try harder. Last season was a bit fail for me :(

Jams O'Donnell
07-03-2012, 09:14 AM
I was amazed I won a game last time. Aiming for two in this league!

bonuswavepilot
07-03-2012, 12:29 PM
Right - signed up again, and determined not to come last this time round... Banzai!

ptft
07-03-2012, 03:02 PM
Hi guys, watched the whole of Season 6 on Youtube (thanks to CMaster) in one sitting, so very excited to join you this time. Will be nice to lose to new people rather than just my current sparring partner!

rodeoclown
07-03-2012, 09:59 PM
I'm in again.

desvergeh
08-03-2012, 04:26 PM
I'm in again.

brocklehurst
08-03-2012, 07:31 PM
Cheers Wombat, I'm in

Werbel
08-03-2012, 07:41 PM
I'm in. First timer here

Fumarole
09-03-2012, 12:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf4iY2GgYvs&feature=youtu.be

MarvinPA
10-03-2012, 06:50 PM
Signing up again, hopefully I'll do less badly this time around!

hardboiled
10-03-2012, 08:56 PM
beauty - superb wombat

let the games begin!

leegeorg07
12-03-2012, 03:58 PM
Are we waiting for our supreme commander to issue orders to start challenging or are we just starting?

iwem.xo
12-03-2012, 04:10 PM
Some time soon* we'll be divided. I think it might be a bit time consuming to have everyone duke it out with everyone.

*subject to valve time, but hopefully today

Easy
12-03-2012, 08:27 PM
Can't make season 7, so will sit on the bench until season 8!

ColOfNature
12-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Erm... wat?

Temporal anomaly detected.

Fumarole
12-03-2012, 11:58 PM
To be fair, none of us can make season seven.

WombatDeath
13-03-2012, 12:04 AM
I am running somewhat late, due to mysterious cosmic events of profound but unexplained significance that have demanded my attention. Season 8 will begin shortly, or perhaps even sooner!

WombatDeath
13-03-2012, 12:43 AM
Season 8 has now begun! This time we have 27 players across four divisions, and the new players have been added to the league in the order in which they registered their participation. You can now start issuing challenges and playing your matches - click here to see the league tables (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c#gid=30).

Important: each player has the responsibility of challenging every player above him/her in the appropriate division. That means that, for instance, Ritashi in division 2 has to issue two challenges: to CMaster and brocklehurst.

If you are unsure who you should be challenging, look at the second tab on the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c#gid=31). You need to issue a challenge for each game in which you are Player 1. If you're still unsure, post in this thread or send me a PM.

Game rules and league procedures

1) Each game must conform to the following settings:

Mode: Dark Elimination
Map type: symmetrical
Turn limit: eight turns
Turn duration: five seconds per turn (i.e. 5000 milliseconds - this is the default setting)
Visibility: vis at time zero
Team strength: four men per player, including at least one rocket launcher or grenadier
Server: UK1

Any game that does not conform to these rules will be void and must be replayed. You may not reuse maps - a new map must be generated for each challenge. Please see the next post if you're not sure how to create a game with the correct settings, and post in this thread if you are in any doubt.

2) After creating each game on server UK1, the challenger must state the challenge in this thread. Format: "[Player1] has challenged [Player2] in game [game ID]".

Example: "ColOfNature has challenged WombatDeath in game 123456".

3) After each game has been completed, the player accepting the challenge must report the result in this thread. Standard format: "[Victorious player] has defeated [defeated player] in game [game ID] by [number of men killed by victorious player] men killed to [number of men killed by defeated player]".

Example: "ColOfNature has defeated WombatDeath in game 123456 by 4 men killed to 2".

In the event of a draw, the format is "[Challenging player] and [challenged player] have drawn in game [game ID], killing [number of men killed per player] men each."

Example: "ColOfNature and WombatDeath have drawn in game 123456, killing 3 men each".

I will update the spreadsheet with the result of each game.

4) Challengers may start issuing their challenges from today (Tuesday 13 March). All games must be completed by the end of Sunday 25 March (GMT).

5) We're all reasonable people, probably, so some flexibility will be applied. If you're going to be on holiday, or dead, or otherwise restricted in your availability, please post in this thread and we will try to accommodate you as far as is reasonably practical.

6) Try to start your games in the first week and finish them early. Players leaving it to the last minute to issue a challenge or submit orders risk forfeiting the game. If any game is unfinished by the deadline I will use my discretion and award points to one, both or neither player, depending on the circumstances.

7) At the end of the season the final results will be used to determine the divisions for season 8, according to a fiendishly cunning set of rules which I will arbitrarily put together at some point.

8) Any circumstances not catered for in these rules will be handled according to some combination of common sense, consensus, whimsy and iron-fisted authoritarianism.

Finally, a polite reminder that although PMing your email address to me is optional, it will make organisation easier so please consider doing so if you haven't already.

Good luck!

WombatDeath
13-03-2012, 12:44 AM
How to create a game with the correct settings

This may be useful to those newer to Frozen Synapse:

1) Log in to server UK1.
2) Click the 'Multiplayer' button at the top of the screen
3) Click 'Create a game'
4) Set the game mode to Dark Extermination
5) Click the 'Advanced setup' button
6) Ignore the scary warning and click 'OK'
7) Click the 'Generate symmetrical' button
8) If you get a silly map, or if you don't have four men per side (including at least one rocket launcher or grenadier), go back to (7) and repeat until you're happy.
9) Click the 'Submit' button
10) Ensure that the 'Game mode' is set to 'Extermination'
11) Ensure that the 'Vis mode' is set to 'Vis at time zero'
12) Ensure that the 'Turn limit' is set to 8 (and the 'Turn length' to 5000, which is the default)
13) Enter your opponent's username
14) Enter 'RPS Dark Extermination League' or something suitable so that your opponent knows it's for this league
15) Click the 'Submit' button
16) Take your first turn and note the challenge in this thread, using the format in point 2 of the post directly above this one.

WombatDeath
13-03-2012, 12:53 AM
By the way, season 8 will be the first Wombat-free season! This is not because I got my arse handed to me last season on a plate made of explosives and shrapnel, but because Mrs Wombat and I are going to Egypt on Friday to celebrate ten years of not yet having murdered each other. But do not be alarmed! ColOfNature has kindly agreed to mind the abattoir in my absence and I have no doubt that he will follow the same path of avuncular benevolence, by which I mean shameless abuse of authority, that I have walked over the last few months.

Also, he's done something magical to the spreadsheets so that the results are updated just by him thinking about them. I don't understand it at all but I assume that if you mess him about he can and will slay you from half a world away on a fleeting whim. So be warned.

ColOfNature
13-03-2012, 01:24 AM
I will rule with a velvet fist in an iron glove. Or something.

ColOfNature has challenged cimethink in match 482154.

iwem.xo
13-03-2012, 01:25 AM
Why the hate for silly maps?

Anyway, I've challenged DeVadder in game 482145.

Happy anniversary to the Wombats!

Gotem
13-03-2012, 01:53 AM
gotem has challenged DeVadder in game 482169
gotem has challenged bonuswavepilot in game 482171

Fumarole
13-03-2012, 04:46 AM
Happy anniversary batty, and good luck to everyone participating (in the league, not batty's marriage).

bonuswavepilot
13-03-2012, 07:07 AM
bonuswavepilot has challenged DeVadder in game 482281.

Bellowhead
13-03-2012, 07:26 AM
Bellowhead has challenged playthatfunkytuba in game 482285,
Bellowhead has challenged spacein_vader in game 482286,
Bellowhead has challenged MarvinPA in game 482287.

Good luck everyone!

leegeorg07
13-03-2012, 08:40 AM
leegeorg07 has challeneged devadder in game 42311

desvergeh
13-03-2012, 10:27 AM
Have a nice holiday Wombat, and good luck to everyone else.

DeVadder
13-03-2012, 12:47 PM
First finished report, wohooo

iwem.xo obliterated DeVadder in game 482145 by 4 men killed to 1.

iwem.xo
13-03-2012, 01:38 PM
iwem.xo challenged bonuswavepilot, game 482367

Henke
13-03-2012, 04:11 PM
Oh I am so glad I ended up in the same division as iwem.xo again, it's REVENGE-TIME!

Henke has challenged DeVadder in game 482408
Henke has challenged bonuswavepilot in game 482410
Henke has challenged gotem in game 482411
Henke has challenged jsutcliffe in game 482868

(EDIT: changed number of my game against jutcliffe from 482412 to 482868)

Henke has challenged iwem.xo in game 482406

ur all cordially invited to have ur butts whupped what what ok thats enough trashtalk maybe I should get around to actually playing the first turns of these games as well!

leegeorg07
13-03-2012, 04:13 PM
leegeorg07 has challenged bonuswavepilot in game 482407
leegeorg07 has challenged gotem in game 482409
leegeorg07 has challenged jsutcliffe in game 482413
leegeorg07 has challenged iwem.xo in game 482414
leegeorg07 has challenged henke in game 482416

Let's get this on!

iwem.xo
13-03-2012, 11:00 PM
iwem.xo beat leegeorg07 in game 482414 by 4 to 1 (in turn 1) (can't have that without a vanity video (http://youtu.be/AqtZw9bo_ys) of course)

Meanwhile, Henke's ahead again :(

Labbes
13-03-2012, 11:28 PM
Yay! I will likely get to my matches Thursday if I have lots of time, or Sunday if I don't. Just so my division knows I have not gone AWOL.

ptft
13-03-2012, 11:36 PM
playthatfunkytuba has challenged MarvinPA in game 482589
playthatfunkytuba has challenged spacein_vader in game ​482591

leegeorg07
14-03-2012, 08:12 AM
iwem.xo beat leegeorg07 in game 482414 by 4 to 1 (in turn 1) (can't have that without a vanity video (http://youtu.be/AqtZw9bo_ys) of course)

Meanwhile, Henke's ahead again :(

Man you annihilated me! I thought I had a good first move. Well played, my friend.

iwem.xo
14-03-2012, 10:51 AM
Thanks, you too. :)

I fucked up by challenging gotem to a 3 on 3 match, which I realised only after committing the first turn. We can still finish that if you want, gotem. (that's game 482784)
Issued a second challenge though:
iwem.xo has challenged gotem in game 482800

CMaster
14-03-2012, 01:53 PM
Xune has defeated CMaster in match 482837 by 4 kills to 1 in a match with a very, very strange start.

Jams O'Donnell
14-03-2012, 02:03 PM
Henke -- our game doesn't have a Mr Explosives on the teams. We'll need to make a new map.

Figure I might as well play it anyway though. Why get slaughtered once when you can do it twice?

Henke
14-03-2012, 02:09 PM
Whaaaat oh man I totally missed that point. :U I might well have left an explodey unit out of some of my other games as well. Better check when I get home, and read the list of requirements once again in case I've missed something else. Sorry guys.

edit: nope, my other games seem to be up to regulations

Henke has challenged jsutcliffe in game 482868 (updated my previous post to reflect this)

Jams O'Donnell
14-03-2012, 02:16 PM
jsutcliffe has challenged DeVadder in game 482852 and also in game 482848 with the wrong settings. Bah!
jsutcliffe has challenged bonuswavepilot in game 482854
jsutcliffe has challenged gotem in game 482855

And that's all my challenges sent out.

desvergeh
14-03-2012, 02:16 PM
Desvergeh has challenged rodeoclown in game 482853
Desvergeh has challenged ComradePenguin in game 482851
Desvergeh has challenged ColOfNature in game 482849
Desvergeh has challenged cimethink in game 482847

Good luck to you all.

Xune
14-03-2012, 03:25 PM
Xune has challenged CMaster in game 482837
Xune has challenged brocklehurst in game 482840
Xune has challenged Ritashi in game 482845
Xune has challenged Baboonanza in game 482870
Xune has challenged Labbes in game 482866

EDIT: Fixed typo in Xune vs Baboonanza game number.

Xune
14-03-2012, 03:38 PM
... in a match with a very, very strange start.

Yeah, it was the first map generated too. I was going to throw it out but something about it struck me and I decided to give it a try, glad I did. I hope you don't mind that I camped towards the end, I didn't fancy chasing down a lone shotgunner through the remaining maze and risk throwing away men/points.

GG

iwem.xo
14-03-2012, 03:45 PM
iwem.xo has challenged jsutcliffe in game 482873

I like the name you gave our match by the way, Henke.

baboonanza
14-03-2012, 04:16 PM
Baboonanza has challenged CMaster in game 483884
Baboonanza has challenged brocklehurst in game 483884
Baboonanza has challenged Ritashi in game 483884

MarvinPA
14-03-2012, 04:42 PM
Bellowhead and MarvinPA have drawn in game 482287, killing 3 men each.

Heh, that was interesting! Thought I was going to lose for sure after making some silly mistakes and being generally outplayed, but killed the shotgunner somehow and got to have a fun rocket/grenade launcher dance at the end. :P

Bellowhead
14-03-2012, 04:50 PM
Bellowhead and MarvinPA have drawn in game 482287, killing 3 men each.

Heh, that was interesting! Thought I was going to lose for sure after making some silly mistakes and being generally outplayed, but killed the shotgunner somehow and got to have a fun rocket/grenade launcher dance at the end. :P


I can't believe it! After the start, I also thought I'd win :( does anyone else get it sometimes where the simulation tells you your rocket will hit, and it doesn't? No? Just me? I swear guys, that's what happened!

Good game mate.

Jams O'Donnell
14-03-2012, 05:06 PM
Random question, and I am not whining or looking for rematches or anything like that. Is it possible for my FS account to be hacked, does anyone know? There are a couple of my games where a turn has gone by without me moving a person, like either the turn was submitted without my knowledge or my orders didn't get assigned correctly.

DeVadder
14-03-2012, 05:22 PM
DeVadder has drawed with jsutcliffe in game 482852 with 3 me n killed to 3.
I made my last kill in the last 0.1 seconds of turn 8 after i had lost my comfortable lead in turn 6 and my last gunner had to sprint half the map to reach anything.

DeVadder defeated Henke in game 482408 by 4 men killed to 1.
I got lucky on turn 1 and then proceded to kill one of my own rocket guys with the other one. Okay, that was because Henkes rocket blew up a wall that i wanted to blow up myself, but still. :)

Fun games.

DeVadder
14-03-2012, 05:28 PM
Random question, and I am not whining or looking for rematches or anything like that. Is it possible for my FS account to be hacked, does anyone know? There are a couple of my games where a turn has gone by without me moving a person, like either the turn was submitted without my knowledge or my orders didn't get assigned correctly.

Well, generally spoken a FS account can be hacked just like any other account can, be it by keylogger, trojans or whatever. But it would honestly surprise me, why should anybody want to make you wary of a potential thread on your computer just to mess up a game of FS where there is nothing to gain? Not that i would not believe it possible, people have done more stupid things on the internet.

I would however believe it to be much more likely that you encountered some sort of bug or wierd connection problem where your turn got submitted empty. However, it cant hurt to do both, report it to mode7 as a bug and scan your pc for malware imho.

Bellowhead
14-03-2012, 05:46 PM
I also don't mean to whine, this is more of a curiosity thing. I haven't had some of the challenges I need, and it isn't really a problem because it's only day two, but hypothetically, what would happen if those games didn't happen? Would I (or whoever it happened to) get an average amount of points or something?

WombatDeath
14-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Random question, and I am not whining or looking for rematches or anything like that. Is it possible for my FS account to be hacked, does anyone know? There are a couple of my games where a turn has gone by without me moving a person, like either the turn was submitted without my knowledge or my orders didn't get assigned correctly.

Did you perhaps assign your moves to the opposing team by mistake? That does happen on occasion, and I haven't heard of any other circumstances which would explain the behaviour you've described. If you're confident that you didn't do that I suggest that you post on the Mode 7 website and see if they have any theories.

WombatDeath
14-03-2012, 08:14 PM
I also don't mean to whine, this is more of a curiosity thing. I haven't had some of the challenges I need, and it isn't really a problem because it's only day two, but hypothetically, what would happen if those games didn't happen? Would I (or whoever it happened to) get an average amount of points or something?

Yes, if you don't receive a challenge (or, in theory, if you receive it very late) you're awarded a 2-0 victory. The awarding of forfeits is part of my post-season clean-up process.

ColOfNature
14-03-2012, 10:29 PM
Did you perhaps assign your moves to the opposing team by mistake? That does happen on occasion

Oh boy, does it ever... :(

brocklehurst
14-03-2012, 11:53 PM
Xune has beaten brocklehurst in game 482840; 4 kills to 1

Gotem
15-03-2012, 03:58 AM
leegeorg07 has defeated gotem in game 482409 4 kills to 2
Henke has defeated gotem in game 482411 4 kills to 2

start to see a pattern here?

leegeorg07
15-03-2012, 08:07 AM
leegeorg07 has defeated gotem in game 482409 4 kills to 2
Henke has defeated gotem in game 482411 4 kills to 2

start to see a pattern here?
Thought I would have had only 1 loss. Damn your MG! GG, though.

lagnut
15-03-2012, 09:44 AM
lagnut has challenged cimethink in game 483083
lagnut has challenged ColOfNature in game 483085
lagnut has challenged ComradePenguin in game 483090
lagnut has challenged rodeoclown in game 483092
lagnut has challenged Desvergeh in game 483095

iwem.xo
15-03-2012, 10:31 AM
leegeorg07 has defeated gotem in game 482409 4 kills to 2
Henke has defeated gotem in game 482411 4 kills to 2

start to see a pattern here?
I'll probably make up for it.

I was hoping to keep a 4-1 streak myself :(

Jams O'Donnell
15-03-2012, 11:08 AM
iwem.xo has defeated jsutcliffe in game 482873 by 4 kills to 1
Henke has defeated jsutcliffe in game 482868 by 4 kills to 0
leegeorge07 has defeated jsutcliffe in game 482413 by 4 kills to 0

Aw yeah!

Bellowhead
15-03-2012, 02:51 PM
Right, something has gone very wrong in the match between Bellowhead (me) and playthatfunkytuba in game 482285. We started with the same game: same map, same units, yada yada. However, our moves have been very different! It's like we're each seeing a different version, one where he's struck by good fortune, the other, I am. In my version, I won on turn 6 with a score of 4-1, whereas he's ready to go on turn 7, currently winning at 3-2 (I believe he said, or perhaps even 3-1). So, both very disappointed at losing our grip on supposed victory, we have decided to meet again...

Bellowhead has re-challenged playthatfunkytuba in match 483335.

He's at work at the moment, so can't really do too much, but he'll post later on tonight to confirm that I'm not trying to wing it after losing and bag some extra points.

Gotem
15-03-2012, 05:20 PM
a questions to the most experiemtend in this game.
if two shotgunners shoot, but only one of them dies... what determines that?
whos is ducking or standing? who spent more time not moving? or simply random?

iwem.xo
15-03-2012, 05:48 PM
I don't know which of these are more important, but moving, turning (including to aim, I think), ducking and standing up (the actions, not the stances) all have penalties involved. Aiming and standing behind cover give you an advantage, obviously.

I don't know if crouching actually gives you an advantage or not.

WombatDeath
15-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Very odd! The 'official' version (as viewed within the game) has you winning 4-1, but if you're happy to replay the match that's fine by me. Tuba, are you certain that you're not mixing up this game with one of your others?

WombatDeath
15-03-2012, 08:19 PM
Crouching doesn't provide any advantage to cover or effectiveness. There's lots of useful information on the wiki (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Principles_of_Combat) that often helps to answer the "why did I die?" question (well worth reading for anyone who hasn't done so already).

iwem.xo
15-03-2012, 09:39 PM
henke crushed iwem.xo in game 482406 by 4 murders to 3

And just to show that my videos aren't all about gloating (just most of them), the above match with running text commentary consisting largely of swears:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhCwwUEh8C0

Gotem
16-03-2012, 12:40 AM
DeVadder defeated gotem in game 482169 4 kills to 3
uff. I though was about to recover for a disastrous first turn

in better news:
gotem has defeated iwem.xo in game 482800 4 kills to 2

WombatDeath
16-03-2012, 12:55 AM
henke crushed iwem.xo in game 482406 by 4 murders to 3

And just to show that my videos aren't all about gloating (just most of them), the above match with running text commentary consisting largely of swears:

[snipped to save valuable vertical pixels]

That was haunting and beautiful. More!

In other news, I have to get out of bed in five hours to go on holiday. I leave you all enveloped in the loving bosom of ColOfNature; see you in a week!

Fumarole
16-03-2012, 07:34 AM
cimethink 4:0 ColOfNature in match 482154

DeVadder
16-03-2012, 09:19 AM
DeVadder defeated gotem in game 482169 4 kills to 3
uff. I though was about to recover for a disastrous first turn

(...)

Oh wow, when i let that last gunner of mine die for no reason whatsoever i thought i had rightfully lost my once clear victory.

ColOfNature
16-03-2012, 01:10 PM
cimethink 4:0 ColOfNature in match 482154

Huh. First score I update in WD's absence is my inauspicious tanking at the hands of honourable opponent cimethink. This bodes ill.

Anyway: I'm in charge now, people. Which means it's all about to go horribly wrong. If you post about a challenge or a result and I overlook it, PM me and tell me to sort myself out. Other disasters will be dealt with as they arise.

For the new guys: I upload videos of all the matches to the Rock, Paper, Synapse (https://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse/videos?view=1) YouTube channel as soon as I can after the result is announced, and link to them from the raw data (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&hl=en_GB#gid=31) tab in the spreadsheet. And why not join the Steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn)? It doesn't do anything, but it's there.

ColOfNature
16-03-2012, 01:17 PM
Lagnut has defeated ColOfNature 4:1 in 483085.

*sadface*

iwem.xo
16-03-2012, 01:46 PM
Does "focus on enemy" drop when that enemy dies? It just occurred to me that that may have happened at the end of my match against Henke.
The wiki doesn't specifically say.

Also, Col, you could add my video to the playlist if you like.

ColOfNature
16-03-2012, 03:27 PM
ColOfNature has defeated Desvergeh 4:1 in match 482849.

*cautiouslyoptimisticface*

ptft
16-03-2012, 03:41 PM
Very odd! The 'official' version (as viewed within the game) has you winning 4-1, but if you're happy to replay the match that's fine by me. Tuba, are you certain that you're not mixing up this game with one of your others?

Proved to Bellowhead using screenshots - the identically numbered game in my browser is incomplete but won't allow me to submit a turn for Round 7. I can't watch the match myself at all as it is still active. I have two people left alive too!

Strange things happened like me killing someone but Bellowhead not receiving a death confirmation, then being unable to move that unit for the rest of his parallel match. Almost Donnie Darko-esque - thought I'd lost the plot...

ColOfNature
16-03-2012, 03:51 PM
You should raise it in the official forum (http://forums.mode7games.com/viewforum.php?f=19). Sounds like the kind of thing they really ought to know about.

desvergeh
16-03-2012, 04:19 PM
ColOfNature has defeated Desvergeh 4:1 in match 482849.

*cautiouslyoptimisticface*

Well played.

So regretting playing well last season, and getting promoted to Division 1, where the scary people live! Getting well and truly slaughtered this season.


I'm also wondering about the "explosives in every match" rule. It certainly means you don't end up in boring stand-offs, but I'm finding a lot hinges on the initial shots from the explosives dudes in the first turn.

Not meaning for it to sound like sour grapes, I'm confident that I would be getting my ass kicked if it was all MGs. But I do wonder if it might be worth some discussion before next season.

Werbel
16-03-2012, 06:03 PM
Chevelle has challenged playthatfunkytuba in game 483777
Chevelle has challenged spacein_vader in game 483781

Gotem
16-03-2012, 06:11 PM
jsutcliffe defeated gotem in game 482855 4 kills to 1

Fumarole
17-03-2012, 02:48 AM
cimethink 4:2 lagnut in match 483083

Lesson learned: being left with only explosive units on each side makes for an interesting guessing game where no one bothers hiding but rather simply tries to anticipate the opponent's move.

DeVadder
17-03-2012, 10:17 AM
Well played.

So regretting playing well last season, and getting promoted to Division 1, where the scary people live! Getting well and truly slaughtered this season.


I'm also wondering about the "explosives in every match" rule. It certainly means you don't end up in boring stand-offs, but I'm finding a lot hinges on the initial shots from the explosives dudes in the first turn.

Not meaning for it to sound like sour grapes, I'm confident that I would be getting my ass kicked if it was all MGs. But I do wonder if it might be worth some discussion before next season.

The explosives in every match are needed imho, at least until the DLC shows up. Apparently there is going to be a mutator that makes camping less usefull if the opponent knows where you hide.

What i do not like is the symetric maps tbh. All too often in the first round i found me wondering wether i should run to the top or bottom door and wether to send my rocket to the top or bottom door at my enemy. I cannot describe very well what i mean. The first turn often becomes a game of rock, paper, scissors with all options equally feasible for both players and thus beeing decided by luck.
However i have no idea how to do it with non-symmetric maps as the challenging player could generate until he likes what he sees. I do not really believe that to be an issue though, it appears to me that all of us would play fair. Maybe with the mutator we might be able to use the anti-camping-mutator and random maps (if there will be a way to issue a challenge that states that the challenger has not seen the map).

Xune
17-03-2012, 11:42 AM
The point of the game is to out think your opponent which is only possible if everything else is equal. Without symetrical maps there's always the oppertunity to chalk up a win loss to something other than the tactics deployed. In fact luck isn't a factor at all, it purely comes down to your understanding of the game mechanics and your anticipation of your opponent's intentions.

As for explosiveless matches, I can imagine all machine gun and shotgun matches being very boring camp or rush affairs. The grenade offers excellent area denial/indirect fire options while the rpg literally opens up new avenues of attack.

Fumarole
17-03-2012, 04:33 PM
After seven full seasons it's pretty clear that we need explosives.

Werbel
17-03-2012, 07:38 PM
Chevelle has challenged Bellowhead in game 484507
Chevelle has challenged MarvinPA in game 484513

DeVadder
18-03-2012, 01:26 AM
In fact luck isn't a factor at all, it purely comes down to your understanding of the game mechanics and your anticipation of your opponent's intentions.


And here is where i disagree. rock, paper, scissors situations occur all the time, and no way how great you outsmart your opponent, it often comes down to a coinflip. Assymetrical maps indeed may offer an advantageous path to one of the players, but then there is something to outsmart them by.
And afterall, i do not play this league to become the world champion, i play it for interesting situations to solve and perfect fairness is not necessaribly required.
But well, i am fine with it as it stands.

rodeoclown
18-03-2012, 06:51 AM
RodeoClown has challenged cimethink in game 484813
RodeoClown has challenged ColOfNature in game 484814
RodeoClown has challenged ComradePenguin in game 484817

Sorry for the delay folks, was away on holidays and forgot I would have no internet access :S

Also - Is the spreadsheet auto-sorting now? Because I got a challenge from Lagnut, but he's above me on the list... I ended up challenging people listed on the 2nd tab only.

Xune
18-03-2012, 11:28 AM
But, DeVadder, RPS situations are not luck they are the essence of the game. A shotgun will usually win in close combat, a machine gun over the midrange and a sniper over the longrange. As I understand things, the only time a random element is used is when all factors such as weapon, cover, movement, time of detection and angle to aim are all the same. In those situations, an RNG decides who dies (whereas I believe that if all is equal then both units should die).

With asymetrical maps it is too easy to engineer situations where there is insufficient cover for your opponent or have their units in inescapable situations such as facing away from an enemy that is facing them. Even if the matches were not deliberately engineered, it's too easy for the map generator to place one team in relatively open ground and the other in cover guaranteeing casualties and probably a win.

Of course, there's nothing stopping you from asking Wombatdeath to setup a concurrent league with asymetrical matches as there may be others who are interested in playing in those kind of matches.

ColOfNature
18-03-2012, 11:47 AM
Also - Is the spreadsheet auto-sorting now? Because I got a challenge from Lagnut, but he's above me on the list... I ended up challenging people listed on the 2nd tab only.

Sorry, I've been sorting the tables as I update them so you can see at a glance how everyone's doing. I didn't stop to think it might make it difficult to work out your challenges. The second tab, "Season 8 raw data", shows exactly who should be challenging whom.

bonuswavepilot
18-03-2012, 12:32 PM
leegeorg07 has defeated bonuswavepilot in game 482407 by 4 men killed to 2.
iwem.xo has defeated bonuswavepilot in game 482367 by 4 men killed to 3.

...not the most auspicious beginning, but at least they weren't 4-nil trouncings I suppose.

iwem.xo
18-03-2012, 12:39 PM
I still don't get how that happened at the top, bonuswavepilot. Sims seemed certain my MG would beat yours due to cover. Maybe the simulation assumed your dude only started aiming at the start of the turn?

leegeorg07
18-03-2012, 02:31 PM
Oh whoops! Can someone change my match ID with DeVadder to 482311. My mistake.

Also, as they don't seem to have been posted, Henke destroyed me 4 to 0 in game 482416 and devadder defeated me 4 to 1 in game 482311

spcd
18-03-2012, 03:25 PM
Steuntron has challenged CMaster in game 484952
Steuntron has challenged brocklehurst in game 484958
Steuntron has challenged Ritashi in game 484965
Steuntron has challenged Baboonanza in game 484972
Steuntron has challenged Labbes in game 484979
Steuntron has challenged Xune in game 484980

leegeorg07
18-03-2012, 06:02 PM
I think somebody misunderstood me. Probably my fault.

Both Henke and Devadder won in my games. Not the other way around <3

ColOfNature
18-03-2012, 07:12 PM
I think somebody misunderstood me. Probably my fault.

Both Henke and Devadder won in my games. Not the other way around <3

Oopsie. My bad.

brocklehurst
18-03-2012, 07:47 PM
brocklehurst has challenged CMaster in game 485118

brocklehurst
18-03-2012, 07:56 PM
Steuntron has beaten brocklehurst in game 484958, 4 kills to 1

rodeoclown
18-03-2012, 08:15 PM
Sorry, I've been sorting the tables as I update them so you can see at a glance how everyone's doing. I didn't stop to think it might make it difficult to work out your challenges. The second tab, "Season 8 raw data", shows exactly who should be challenging whom.

No worries - It does make it much easier to see what's going on, and figuring out who to challenge wasn't too hard :)

ptft
18-03-2012, 10:18 PM
Bellowhead has defeated playthatfunkytuba in game 483335 by 4 men killed to 0

No funny happenings this time, just a total whooping via a lesson in grenade launching. Always wondered why they couldn't fire over low cov-- OH, THEY CAN. Shit.

Fumarole
19-03-2012, 02:06 AM
cimethink 4:2 rodeoclown in match 484813

rodeoclown
19-03-2012, 02:09 AM
cimethink 4:2 rodeoclown in match 484813
Good game!
I didn't think you were close enough to that window :(
Well played!

DeVadder
19-03-2012, 07:52 AM
Bonuswavepilot defeated DeVadder in game 482281 by 4 men killed to 3.

ptft
19-03-2012, 08:42 AM
playthatfunkytuba
has defeated
Chevelle
in game
483777
by
4
men killed to
1
I was pretty lucky there with my unit placement; managed to avoid some close blast radii.

bonuswavepilot
19-03-2012, 12:18 PM
bonuswavepilot has defeated gotem in match 482171 by 4 men killed to 3.

(hey gotem, the end of that match looked odd to me - did something weird happen with my SG? if you reckon it was glitchy too, happy to rematch)

Henke has defeated bonuswavepilot in match 482410 by 4 men killed to 0.

baboonanza
19-03-2012, 01:20 PM
Xune has defeated Baboonanza in game 482870, 4 kills to 1

CMaster
19-03-2012, 02:37 PM
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"
I must remember to put units on "continue on sight"

ARRRRGH!

baboonanza
19-03-2012, 03:01 PM
Baboonanza has defeated steuntron in game 484972, 4 kills to 2

spcd
19-03-2012, 03:14 PM
Baboonanza has defeated steuntron in game 484972, 4 kills to 2

Well played. For a moment I thought I had a chance, but it was nothing but an illusion.

CMaster
19-03-2012, 03:19 PM
Baboonanza has deafeated CMaster in game 482884 by 4 kills to 0

(after an abysmal first turn, deliberately suicided the last unit).
I think that this might have to by my last season in the league, at least for a while. I'm simply not really trying in any matches, just throwing in a bunch of moves that "seem alright" and then getting angry when they don't. The above match is a prime example - how did I ever think any of that was a good idea? I obviously never stopped to actually think.

Gotem
19-03-2012, 04:44 PM
(hey gotem, the end of that match looked odd to me - did something weird happen with my SG? if you reckon it was glitchy too, happy to rematch)

I am re-checking the match.. it seems your SG was killed by my MG. and my SG was killed by your SG and instant before the explosion. So I dont see anything strange

Still it was a very quick massacre of both teams :)

hardboiled
19-03-2012, 05:14 PM
hardboiled challenge lagnut ​game 485494

spcd
19-03-2012, 05:53 PM
Baboonanza has deafeated CMaster in game 482884 by 4 kills to 0

(after an abysmal first turn, deliberately suicided the last unit).
I think that this might have to by my last season in the league, at least for a while. I'm simply not really trying in any matches, just throwing in a bunch of moves that "seem alright" and then getting angry when they don't. The above match is a prime example - how did I ever think any of that was a good idea? I obviously never stopped to actually think.

Hey man, I must say I enjoyed our match so far. I really think it's an exciting match. But the game get's so much better if you spend a lot of time with each turn. Check all possibilities etc..

Don't let Baboonanza demotivate you. I think he can see the future. He must have some jedi powers.

edit: also true for Xune. Damnit! I'm playing terrible this season.

Xune
19-03-2012, 07:44 PM
Hehe.

Xune has defeated Steuntron in game 484980, killing 4 units to 0.

The score doesn't reflect the game, I had to think three or four times about every move before comitting. Even at the end there was potential to loose 2 or 3 units.

CMaster
19-03-2012, 08:36 PM
Hey man, I must say I enjoyed our match so far. I really think it's an exciting match. But the game get's so much better if you spend a lot of time with each turn. Check all possibilities etc..

Don't let Baboonanza demotivate you. I think he can see the future. He must have some jedi powers.

It's not that I'm disheartened about that loss in particular. It's that I'm not interested in the game enough any more to spend time planning moves and thinking about consequences. I've never been one for simulating for half an hour per turn like some players (partly because Sim lies). But now I don't care enough to even check if my plans work half the time. Just bang any old thing in and go. So time for a break I think, may be back later.

Steuntron has defeated CMaster in game 484952 by 4 kills to 2

spcd
19-03-2012, 08:59 PM
It's not that I'm disheartened about that loss in particular. It's that I'm not interested in the game enough any more to spend time planning moves and thinking about consequences. I've never been one for simulating for half an hour per turn like some players (partly because Sim lies). But now I don't care enough to even check if my plans work half the time. Just bang any old thing in and go. So time for a break I think, may be back later.

Steuntron has defeated CMaster in game 484952 by 4 kills to 2

Correction!

Steuntron has defeated CMaster in game 484952 by 4 kills to 3

I commited suicide with my rocket launcher to kill your shotgunner

ColOfNature
19-03-2012, 11:43 PM
Hi folks, only me. I'm new to this responsibility and I live in dread of WombatDeath coming back from his well-deserved break to discover I've made a hash of his lovely spreadsheet. If you can spare a minute, have a decko (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&hl=en_GB#gid=31) and make sure your results look right. I'll get the videos up to date tomorrow. G'night!

iwem.xo
20-03-2012, 12:33 AM
Looks about right for my matches.
Congratulations to Henke on his well-deserved division 3 win, by the way!

rodeoclown
20-03-2012, 06:43 AM
Lagnut has defeated RodeoClown 4:2 in game 483092
Thought I had a chance there for a minute. I was wrong.

leegeorg07
20-03-2012, 07:35 AM
It's not that I'm disheartened about that loss in particular. It's that I'm not interested in the game enough any more to spend time planning moves and thinking about consequences. I've never been one for simulating for half an hour per turn like some players (partly because Sim lies). But now I don't care enough to even check if my plans work half the time. Just bang any old thing in and go. So time for a break I think, may be back later.

Yeah sometimes I'll get like that too. We'll miss you if you do go, buddy!

Henke
20-03-2012, 08:00 AM
Looks about right for my matches.
Congratulations to Henke on his well-deserved division 3 win, by the way!
Thanks! :D

Looking forward to Season 9!

desvergeh
20-03-2012, 01:53 PM
lagnut has defeated Desvergeh in game 483095,by 4 kills to 2

Thought I may as well have my rocket dude do a little dance at the end there!

Would be nice if you could hit the men with rockets, if you managed to get it in the exact right spot.

bonuswavepilot
20-03-2012, 02:08 PM
jsutcliffe has defeated bonuswavepilot in match 482854 by 4 men killed to 2.

ptft
20-03-2012, 02:30 PM
Congratulations to Division 3 for finishing all their matches!

Getting a bit tight for time down our end... Happy with second place though.

baboonanza
20-03-2012, 04:04 PM
baboonanza has defeated brocklehusrt in game 482886, 4 kills to 2

I've realised I posted the wrong game numbers when I made my challenges so the holy spreadsheet is incorrect. INCORRECT! The game against ritashi should be 482887 and the game against brocklehusrt is obviously 482886.

I've not had any challenge from Labbes btw.

ColOfNature
20-03-2012, 09:58 PM
rodeoclown has beaten ColOfNature 4:0 in game 484814.

ComradePenguin
20-03-2012, 11:28 PM
ComradePenguin challenged cimethink in game 486080.
ComradePenguin challenged ColOfNature in game 486084.

Sorry about the lateness as ever. Can we all pretend to me that the league starts a week earlier than it does so I get a move on? I'll start tackling the my responses to the challenges tomorrow.

CMaster
21-03-2012, 12:00 AM
CMaster has deafeated Brocklehurst in game 485118 by 4 kills to 2

(And I'll be he's cursing about not getting a kill in the last turn.

Bellowhead
21-03-2012, 06:52 AM
Erm, hardly anyone in my division is actually playing lol.

baboonanza
21-03-2012, 12:09 PM
Baboonanza has defeated Ritashi in game 482887, 4 kills to 1. He had an unlucky first turn.

Looks like I'm going to be second. Again! Every season I'm the bridesmaid and never the bride.

Labbes
21-03-2012, 03:50 PM
Sorry about the lateness as ever. Can we all pretend to me that the league starts a week earlier than it does so I get a move on? I'll start tackling the my responses to the challenges tomorrow.

Glad I'm not the only one who manages to be late every time.

Edit: Labbes has challenged Baboonanza in game 486324.
Labbes has challenged brocklehurst in game 486308.
Labbes has challenged CMaster in game 486301.
Labbes has challenged Ritashi in game 486320.

baboonanza
21-03-2012, 05:58 PM
Baboonanza has defeated Labbes in game 486324, 3 Kills to 2.

That was one of the best games I've played in. Labbes made a strong start and looked like he was going to walk it before making a crucial mistake in turn 4 (not putting Continue On Sight on his MG). That gave me the space I needed to come back from 2 down and clinch a tight win.

rodeoclown
21-03-2012, 08:31 PM
RodeoClown has defeated Desvergeh 4:0 in game 482853
Good game!

brocklehurst
21-03-2012, 08:32 PM
CMaster has deafeated Brocklehurst in game 485118 by 4 kills to 2

(And I'll be he's cursing about not getting a kill in the last turn.

I thought you might pull off some dirty distraction techniques, but actually cursing more about my idiotic RL movement in the turn before.

Looks like a shameful whitewash for me this season. Can't even rely on a default win as Labbes has popped up with his challenges!!

Fumarole
21-03-2012, 11:51 PM
cimethink 4:0 Desvergeh in match 482847

After the first kill it felt like my grenadier was chasing the enemy all around the map before finally catching another at the end.

baboonanza
22-03-2012, 07:58 AM
cimethink 4:0 Desvergeh in match 482847

After the first kill it felt like my grenadier was chasing the enemy all around the map before finally catching another at the end.
That was cool to watch, great movement by both of you.

desvergeh
22-03-2012, 01:58 PM
That was cool to watch, great movement by both of you.

I'm good at running around like a headless chicken.... not so good at actually killing anyone....

Back to the lower divisions with me, where I might actually get a kill or something!

ComradePenguin
22-03-2012, 10:15 PM
ComradePenguin has been defeated by ColOfNature by 4 kills to 1 in game 486084.

brocklehurst
22-03-2012, 10:36 PM
Got challenged by Labbes, but he hasn't played the 1st turn yet. I'm not in at the weekend, hopefully Monday is ok?

Also no challenge from Ritashi as yet...

ComradePenguin
22-03-2012, 11:29 PM
I'm getting rather pulverised this season.

ComradePenguin has lost to lagnut 4 kills to none in game 483090
ComradePenguin has lost to rodeoclown by 4 kills to 1 in game 484817

Fumarole
22-03-2012, 11:52 PM
Sorry to pile on, but...

cimethink 4:0 Comrade Penguin in match 486080

Xune
23-03-2012, 12:33 AM
Nothing to do with the league but I was pottering around with the search tool earlier and stumbled on this pretty gnarley map, 228740. Didn't know something like that was possible.

iwem.xo
23-03-2012, 12:51 AM
Nothing to do with the league but I was pottering around with the search tool earlier and stumbled on this pretty gnarley map, 228740. Didn't know something like that was possible.
Sweet. Probably took someone TheCaptn a while to create that one.

I just posted a link to the new ending here, but it's gone now. Is that a bug, or did it get removed by a mod?

rodeoclown
23-03-2012, 12:55 AM
You posted it to the Kindness Club forum :)
(I saw it there and thought you meant it to be here)

Sweet. Probably took someone TheCaptn a while to create that one.

I just posted a link to the new ending here, but it's gone now. Is that a bug, or did it get removed by a mod?

iwem.xo
23-03-2012, 01:10 AM
Ahahaha I should pay more attention and/or go to bed.

Here's what I meant to say HERE:

Only slightly related, but the singleplayer campaign has a new ending now (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/22/frozen-synapses-changed-ending-a-mass-indie-effect/). Here's a video of it (http://www.youtu.be/lhpVbSuP25U). It's a gag ending, but it still contains spoilers, so be warned, ye who plan on eventually beating FS's campaign.

Labbes
23-03-2012, 09:34 AM
Got challenged by Labbes, but he hasn't played the 1st turn yet. I'm not in at the weekend, hopefully Monday is ok?

Must have overlooked that. Will take two turns, so you will probably have won this by Tuesday.

Xune, I really hate playing against you. I'm always missing the most obvious things, which doesn't happen so much in my other games.

desvergeh
23-03-2012, 10:45 AM
I'm getting rather pulverised this season.

I'm waiting on you for our match. My lack of ability might cheer you up!

hardboiled
23-03-2012, 04:22 PM
hardboiled vs


Desvergeh - 487133

rodeoclown - 487137 (487135 - ignore this one server error)

ComradePenguin - 487143

ColOfNature - 487146

cimethink - 487147


sorry they are all so late - quite happy to take the loss if you think we cant finish on time

MarvinPA
23-03-2012, 04:52 PM
Apologies to Werbel and playthatfunkytuba for being a bit slow on my turns, I'm paying more attention to my emails now and will try and get those games finished promptly (surprised that they're going so well for the most part!). Didn't even get a challenge from spacein_vader or cantankerous T, though. :(

brocklehurst
23-03-2012, 06:04 PM
Must have overlooked that. Will take two turns, so you will probably have won this by Tuesday.

Xune, I really hate playing against you. I'm always missing the most obvious things, which doesn't happen so much in my other games.

hmmm, doubtful when considering my record in other games, here's hoping though

Xune
23-03-2012, 07:18 PM
Xune, I really hate playing against you. I'm always missing the most obvious things, which doesn't happen so much in my other games.

Never fight with fools, they'll only bring you down to their level then beat you with experience :P

desvergeh
24-03-2012, 11:07 AM
hardboiled has defeated Desvergeh in game 487133, by 4 kills to 1.

rodeoclown
24-03-2012, 08:12 PM
RodeoClown has defeated Hardboiled 4:1 in game 487137

Good game, I wish I'd moved my RL just a tiiiiiiny bit higher :S
And I had no idea where your final MG was (until the last few turns)

Fumarole
24-03-2012, 09:23 PM
I'm still waiting for hardboiled to make a move.

WombatDeath
24-03-2012, 11:01 PM
I am back! Many thanks to the splendid ColOfNature for running the show; hopefully he hasn't needed to pistol-whip too many of you in my absence.

It's a shame about division 4. Apologies to the four of you who are actively participating in that division; let's give it a few more days to get at least your games finished, and I'll try to make sure that you see more action next season.


sorry they are all so late - quite happy to take the loss if you think we cant finish on time
Oh no you don't; you're my last hope of someone beating cimethink!

ColOfNature
24-03-2012, 11:14 PM
Woo! You're back! Hope you enjoyed Egypt, it's a helluva place.

Everyone's been disappointingly well behaved, I haven't even had to eviscerate anyone.

leegeorg07
25-03-2012, 11:54 AM
I'm willing to be a sacrifice if it'll make you feel better, Col.

hardboiled
25-03-2012, 04:39 PM
I am back! Many thanks to the splendid ColOfNature for running the show; hopefully he hasn't needed to pistol-whip too many of you in my absence.

It's a shame about division 4. Apologies to the four of you who are actively participating in that division; let's give it a few more days to get at least your games finished, and I'll try to make sure that you see more action next season.


Oh no you don't; you're my last hope of someone beating cimethink!

not this season im afraid! it was game over after turn one on a pretty unforgiving map
bit of luck ill manage to stay up and can get a rematch!

Siddin
25-03-2012, 04:55 PM
I'll be joining the next league. I've played 5 games so far, so things should go very smoothly! (haha)

Xune
25-03-2012, 08:00 PM
Ok, I'm just waiting on Ritashi now.

hardboiled
25-03-2012, 09:02 PM
argh, its tough up here. some overly defensive play has led to my downfall

ptft
25-03-2012, 09:07 PM
Apologies to Werbel and playthatfunkytuba for being a bit slow on my turns [...] (surprised that they're going so well for the most part!)

No worries, thoroughly enjoyed that despite my loss. Well played.

rodeoclown
25-03-2012, 09:18 PM
If anyone in division 4 (or any other division) is hankering for a game, feel free to challenge me - I'm generally pretty quick to respond to turns (and despite currently sitting 2nd in the league, I got beat by someone on their first game the other day, so I'm not that great - just persistent):)

ColOfNature
25-03-2012, 09:28 PM
ColOfNature has beaten hardboiled 4:2 in match 487146.


argh, its tough up here. some overly defensive play has led to my downfall

I was doing the defensive thing too, but then I had a rush of bravery to the head. 'Nades-ho!

ComradePenguin
25-03-2012, 09:55 PM
ComradePenguin has defeated hardboiled 4 to 2 in game 487143.

A victory, how rare. Poor old hardboiled seemed to have the knack of running into my grenades.

Fumarole
25-03-2012, 10:43 PM
cimethink 4:1 hardboiled in match 487147

ColOfNature
25-03-2012, 11:12 PM
I'm willing to be a sacrifice if it'll make you feel better, Col.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll dust off the altar.


I'll be joining the next league. I've played 5 games so far, so things should go very smoothly! (haha)

Fresh blood! Mwahahaha.

MarvinPA
25-03-2012, 11:27 PM
No worries, thoroughly enjoyed that despite my loss. Well played.
Thanks! My rocket launcher did some pretty good work that game. :P

MarvinPA has defeated playthatfunkytuba in game 482589 by 4 kills to 1.

Just a couple of turns left to go against Werbel for me now, I think.

lagnut
26-03-2012, 05:37 AM
Hardboiled has defeated Lagnut in game 485494 by 3 men killed to 2

Bellowhead
26-03-2012, 10:35 AM
My game against Chevelle has come to a stand still after a late start, but we're on round 8 and it looks like it's gonna finish with me winning 3 kills to 2. Have a look, it's game number 484507. I only say this because it's getting towards the end of the league and I haven't heard anything in a few days.

brocklehurst
26-03-2012, 07:32 PM
Still not had a challenge from Ritashi or the first turn from Labbes yet...

iwem.xo
27-03-2012, 02:24 AM
Just played a great (non-league) game with rodeoclown. I lost 2 shotgunners in the first turn but got his rocket launcher, and from then on it was a camp-out to thwart a pincher rush that ended with 2 kills in my favor in the last turn. That final rocket was a lucky guess.
Anyway, good fight!

rodeoclown
27-03-2012, 02:25 AM
You too.
Well played!

Labbes
27-03-2012, 09:06 AM
I have tried over the weekend to make my turns, but for whatever reason, Frozen Synapse kills my internet connection. Last time I had this problem, it was fixed by running FS on XP, but that doesn't work any more. Will check the forums and the support.
Again, apologies for a) being late and b) having WLAN. :/

desvergeh
27-03-2012, 11:44 AM
Desvergeh has drawn with ComradePenguin in game 482851, 3 kills to 3 kills.

Good match.

WombatDeath
27-03-2012, 12:46 PM
Right, time for a bit of admin:

Division 2
Labbes and Ritashi forfeit.

Division 4
spacein_vader and cantankerous T forfeit.

Outstanding games:

Chevelle vs. MarvinPA
Chevelle vs. Bellowhead

I assume from Bellowhead's comment that Chevelle is holding up both of these, but I'll wait until tomorrow before assigning the defaults. Chevelle, if you're out there please speak up!

Xune
27-03-2012, 02:48 PM
This game was completed on Sunday but it looks like it wasn't reported:

Xune has defeated Labbes in game 482866, 4:2

baboonanza
27-03-2012, 03:07 PM
Damn it Xune, couldn't you have lost just one match?

Gotem
27-03-2012, 04:16 PM
I dont know if this has been discussed previously. but have you considered making the divisions bigger so each season consists of more games?

iwem.xo
27-03-2012, 04:23 PM
I'd be all for it, but I don't think everybody has the time to do more.

Xune
27-03-2012, 04:51 PM
Damn it Xune, couldn't you have lost just one match?

Haha, sorry. Not that it helps but I was really unsure of my opening moves in my game against Ritashi, however he would have had to have beten me 7 - 0 for it to have made a difference.

WombatDeath
27-03-2012, 06:02 PM
This game was completed on Sunday but it looks like it wasn't reported:

Xune has defeated Labbes in game 482866, 4:2

Fab, thanks; I've updated the spreadsheet.

WombatDeath
27-03-2012, 06:05 PM
I dont know if this has been discussed previously. but have you considered making the divisions bigger so each season consists of more games?


I'd be all for it, but I don't think everybody has the time to do more.

Yes, that's it - people have wildly varying availabilities and I don't want participation to become burdensome. We can certainly arrange some sort of more intensive competition to run separately from the main league, if enough people are interested?

leegeorg07
27-03-2012, 06:42 PM
We can certainly arrange some sort of more intensive competition to run separately from the main league, if enough people are interested?

Count me in!

Labbes
27-03-2012, 08:59 PM
This game was completed on Sunday but it looks like it wasn't reported:

Xune has defeated Labbes in game 482866, 4:2

Apologies for not reporting, I was busy hitting my laptop for a better connection :) Also, gg!

Xune
27-03-2012, 09:24 PM
No worries. Hope you get your system sorted for next season.

iwem.xo
27-03-2012, 09:35 PM
Yes, that's it - people have wildly varying availabilities and I don't want participation to become burdensome. We can certainly arrange some sort of more intensive competition to run separately from the main league, if enough people are interested?

I'm definitely interested. Maybe people could enter multiple divisions?

leegeorg07
27-03-2012, 09:59 PM
I'm definitely interested. Maybe people could enter multiple divisions?

What if we did a knock-out tournament?

ColOfNature
27-03-2012, 10:11 PM
I like the idea of a big tourney where everyone plays everyone else. Does the built-in tournament thing work?

rodeoclown
27-03-2012, 10:15 PM
If we could use the built-in mode, that would make things much easier to handle I'd imagine!

WombatDeath
27-03-2012, 11:28 PM
I like the idea of a big tourney where everyone plays everyone else. Does the built-in tournament thing work?

I was thinking of an 'everyone vs. everyone' format too, though I'm not sure what the current status of the in-game tournament system is (last time I looked, if I remember rightly, it wasn't possible to accommodate our various rules for map types, etc). I'll take a look, and in any case we can always revert to the spreadsheet method.

Anyone else fancy this? If there's sufficient interest we can kick it off this week and possibly have it wrapped up by the time that season 9 of the league starts (eternal optimist that I am).

ColOfNature
27-03-2012, 11:32 PM
A glutton for punishment is what you are, sir. Count me in. I'd be happy with asymmetric maps for this one - a bit of a free-for-all sounds like a grand old time.

DeVadder
27-03-2012, 11:33 PM
I would be up for it.

rodeoclown
27-03-2012, 11:36 PM
I'm there. Well, here. I'm in.

iwem.xo
28-03-2012, 12:46 AM
Sign me up!

Fumarole
28-03-2012, 01:18 AM
I'm game for one big ginormoleague. How about we spice it up in other ways, like each match must have one of each unit per side? The sniper doesn't get much love around here.

Siddin
28-03-2012, 09:23 AM
Add me to the list.

ptft
28-03-2012, 09:36 AM
I love FS but am not a fan of challenging random people through the game browser, so more action in any form is good for me too.

baboonanza
28-03-2012, 10:22 AM
Sounds great to me.

spcd
28-03-2012, 10:32 AM
Same here

10 chars

Jams O'Donnell
28-03-2012, 10:41 AM
That certainly sounds interesting. Count me in.

mentor07825
28-03-2012, 12:32 PM
I'd like to join in :)

hardboiled
28-03-2012, 02:21 PM
sounds like a great idea

Gotem
28-03-2012, 04:10 PM
and of course, since I started this whole longer tournaments thing, I'm interested

Xune
28-03-2012, 04:43 PM
More FS is always better than less, I'm in.

brocklehurst
28-03-2012, 06:34 PM
Me too, very keen to maintain my 8 match losing streak...

leegeorg07
28-03-2012, 08:05 PM
Definitely there.

WombatDeath
28-03-2012, 11:38 PM
Right, well, this should be interesting. Sign-ups for the inaugural RPS FS Ginormoleague (thanks cimethink) are open (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&hl=en_GB&pli=1#gid=32)! Please register yourselves at that link if you want to take part; I'll kick things off on Friday.

For this one I'm inclined to ditch the symmetry and unit rules and go with something like "whatever random map comes up first", assuming that people will be honest enough not to reroll until they get a map to their advantage. Once the registrations are complete I'll arrange the proceedings so that each player is the challenger in roughly half of his/her games. I don't think we want to adopt the home/away system and have each pair play twice or we'll be here for a million years.

Any other thoughts? What do you collectively think about allowing the challenged player to pick the game type, to balance out the challenger picking the map?

iwem.xo
28-03-2012, 11:40 PM
So do you mean we still generate the maps ourselves to ensure a proper unit count? Does that even remain static this time?

WombatDeath
28-03-2012, 11:51 PM
Yeah, same process as usual except instead of 'generate symmetrical' you'd click 'generate extermination' (or charge, or whatever). The units will be the same on both sides (unless it's Rodeoclown doing the challenging) but the maps won't be symmetrical. Perhaps we can amend the map selection rule to a more subjective "whatever comes up first that isn't outrageously unfair or tedious".

rodeoclown
28-03-2012, 11:59 PM
The units will be the same on both sides (unless it's Rodeoclown doing the challenging) but the maps won't be symmetrical.

Do I get special dispensation to set up completely one-sided matches?

ColOfNature
29-03-2012, 12:02 AM
I vote for stick with dark extermination, even numbers (but not necessarily unit types) on each side, other than that just hit generate map until something not-dull pops up. Keep it simple, like.

DeVadder
29-03-2012, 01:14 AM
I am all for different game types. I hardly play them anymore and they are nice. Apart from that, i do not really care, i am not too concerned about fairness tbh.

ComradePenguin
29-03-2012, 11:49 AM
Sorry if I've missed it but how long will we have to complete our games in the big league? I don't want to commit to something I won't have time to fulfill.

desvergeh
29-03-2012, 12:03 PM
I'm in for the ginormoleague.

iwem.xo
29-03-2012, 12:05 PM
Maybe a "when it's done" limit is in order, since this might be a lot of matches.

baboonanza
29-03-2012, 12:30 PM
You know what happens without a deadline? Nothing :)

Siddin
29-03-2012, 02:25 PM
Maybe a "when it's done" limit is in order, since this might be a lot of matches.

Don't make this go Duke Nukem :P

iwem.xo
29-03-2012, 03:19 PM
Alright, alright, you're both right. :)
Probably best to have a deadline for entry, and then determine the match deadline based on the amount of people.

hardboiled
29-03-2012, 04:34 PM
i thought it was gonna be knockout style? like the fa cup or summat

WombatDeath
29-03-2012, 06:09 PM
Sorry if I've missed it but how long will we have to complete our games in the big league? I don't want to commit to something I won't have time to fulfill.

One week(ish)! It'll start tomorrow with the aim of being wrapped up a week on Sunday.

I'd like more feedback from participants about the rules - do you prefer to stick with Dark Extermination or do something different; and if the latter, what do you think about giving the challengee the choice?

WombatDeath
29-03-2012, 06:10 PM
Do I get special dispensation to set up completely one-sided matches?

No, but I'm sure you will anyway. I've dispatched a squadron of my ninja vampire wombat minions to keep you on the straight and narrow.

WombatDeath
29-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Back to the main league for a moment: I've finally got around to tidying up division 4, so season 8 is over. Congratulations to the division winners, commiserations to the blasted-to-smithereens, and regardless of how the increasingly daunting Ginormoleague turns out, the signups for season 9 will open on Monday. Thank you all for taking part!

Bellowhead
29-03-2012, 07:29 PM
I'd like more feedback from participants about the rules - do you prefer to stick with Dark Extermination or do something different; and if the latter, what do you think about giving the challengee the choice?

Personally, I think Dark Extermination is the way to go. Also, same troops each, though not necessarily symmetrical. I don't really have much/any experience with a lot of the other game modes, and while I'd be happy to play if something else comes up, I'd enjoy the league much more if it was Dark Extermination.

Gotem
29-03-2012, 09:10 PM
is there a way for someone to generate a map where other two players will play..
or to have who is green and who is red randomly selected?
either of those options would avoid a match been seen as unfair for the challenged player

rodeoclown
30-03-2012, 01:02 AM
No, but I'm sure you will anyway. I've dispatched a squadron of my ninja vampire wombat minions to keep you on the straight and narrow.
What is this, I don't even...?
Where is this vitriol coming from?
Have I somehow earned a reputation for setting up completely biased matches or something?

I just don't understand (*breaks down crying*)

Fumarole
30-03-2012, 04:57 AM
What is this, I don't even...?
Where is this vitriol coming from?
Have I somehow earned a reputation for setting up completely biased matches or something?

I just don't understand (*breaks down crying*)Aren't you the guy who challenged me to this game?

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/Fumarole/massacreattherodeo.jpg

:)

rodeoclown
30-03-2012, 05:03 AM
Nope, that definitely wasn't me.

baboonanza
30-03-2012, 08:55 AM
One week(ish)! It'll start tomorrow with the aim of being wrapped up a week on Sunday.

I'd like more feedback from participants about the rules - do you prefer to stick with Dark Extermination or do something different; and if the latter, what do you think about giving the challengee the choice?
I like the idea but I suspect that in practice it might make everything too slow, since the challenger will need a response from the challengee before the match can even start.

I'm fine with non-symmetrical maps as long as the challengee can appeal a map and have it re-rolled.

Bellowhead
30-03-2012, 11:57 AM
I like the idea but I suspect that in practice it might make everything too slow, since the challenger will need a response from the challengee before the match can even start.

I think a possible option might be to make it longer than a 10 day period. Give people maybe 3 weeks to play, and there's probably more chance that they actually will. This view might be influenced by my experience of Season 8, though, where two people in my division didn't play. Still, a longer time frame might mean more input from players.

Slow and steady wins teh internets!

WombatDeath
30-03-2012, 08:13 PM
OK, the spreadsheets (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&pli=1#gid=33) are ready and the inaugural RPS FS Ginormoleague has begun! I'm not going to start a new thread or spell out all of the rules; you all know how it works by now. You're playing by the standard rules, with the following exceptions/clarifications:

1) All matches are Dark Extermination (Sorry DeVadder).

2) The number and types of unit for each player must be identical. Use the 'Generate Extermination' button to create a random map with suitable units, rather than the 'Generate Symmetrical' button that we use in the regular league.

3) Maps do NOT have to be symmetrical (I suppose they can be if the challenger wishes).

4) The challenger should select the first randomly-generated map that is, in their honest judgement, neither stupid nor blatantly unfair to either player.

5) The challenged player has a right of appeal if he believes that a map is stupid or unfair. The appeal must be lodged before the challenged player takes his first move. Appeals will be judged by me, probably but not necessarily having first taken feedback from the other players. The Vatican has kindly agreed to bestow papal infallibility upon all such judgements.

6) You need to challenge the seven players below you in the table, looping back to the top where necessary. If in doubt, see the raw data spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvmG4SoJhEYbdFgtbjN3VFE4OUxQTEtSLWVoVmJGX 3c&pli=1#gid=34).

7) You have until Sunday 08 April to finish all fourteen of your matches. Get cracking! Extensions at my discretion.

8) The final standings at the end of this league will have no impact on the starting positions in season 9 of the regular league.

9) If I've overlooked anything, please see item 8 of the standard rules (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?3409-Frozen-Synapse-dark-extermination-league-season-8&p=101250&viewfull=1#post101250).

10) If cimethink wins 14-0 I am personally going to murder you all.

Good luck!

WombatDeath
30-03-2012, 08:18 PM
I think a possible option might be to make it longer than a 10 day period. Give people maybe 3 weeks to play, and there's probably more chance that they actually will. This view might be influenced by my experience of Season 8, though, where two people in my division didn't play. Still, a longer time frame might mean more input from players.

Slow and steady wins teh internets!

You're right, but I want to get the bulk of this out of the way before season 9 kicks off or else it will most likely slow down S9 (and I'll no doubt get confused and mess up the spreadsheets).

ColOfNature
30-03-2012, 08:26 PM
This is either going to be awesome or an absolute disaster. Or quite possibly both. Good luck everyone!

Jams O'Donnell
30-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Oh [swear redacted -- not sure if I'm allowed to do that here], 14 games in a week. This will be intense :D

jsutcliffe has challenged Baboonanza in game 490488
jsutcliffe has challenged playthatfunkytuba in game 490490
jsutcliffe has challenged Desvergeh in game 490491
jsutcliffe has challenged Bellowhead in game 490494
jsutcliffe has challenged Henke in game 490495
jsutcliffe has challenged gotem in game 490496
jsutcliffe has challenged iwem.xo in game 490497

I just opted for symmetrical, regular rules -- it seemed easiest. Please leave your skills at the door.

Xune
30-03-2012, 11:45 PM
Here are my challanges, they're all DE but I've not used advanced setup to vet them.

Xune has challenged lagnut in game 490480
Xune has challenged cimethink in game 490481
Xune has challenged DeVadder in game 490482
Xune has challenged leegeorg07 in game 490483
Xune has challenged jsutcliffe in game 490484
Xune has challenged Baboonanza in game 490485
Xune has challenged playthatfunkytuba in game 490486

Fumarole
31-03-2012, 12:17 AM
10) If cimethink wins 14-0 I am personally going to murder you all.I certainly don't want anyone's blood on my hands. I hereby declare my first loss shall be solely because of this, and for no other reason. Especially neither poor judgement nor impatience.

Fumarole
31-03-2012, 03:38 AM
My challenges:

490557 DeVadder
490558 leegeorg07
490560 jsutcliffe
490561 Baboonanza
490563 playthatfunkytuba
490564 desvergeh
490565 Bellowhead
Pixels for the pixel god!

rodeoclown
31-03-2012, 11:12 AM
490637 - Xune (I accidentally clicked challenge without checking first for this one, so I'm happy to regenerate if you don't like it)
490642 - lagnut
490644 - cimethink
490645 - DeVadder
490646 - leegeorg07
490647 - jsutcliffe
490648 - Baboonanza

And as a special favour for WombatDeath: 490636 :D

Bellowhead
31-03-2012, 11:43 AM
Sorry for messing everyone around, but I really don't have the time to make even nearly this many games. 14 games in half the days is a little beyond me. When I signed up I thought it might be similar to the season (what, six games in two weeks?) and I thought I'd be able to do it, but unfortunately not.

Please count all my games as losses. Sorry again.

DeVadder
31-03-2012, 12:40 PM
Okay, my challenges are out:

leegeorg07 490663
jsutcliffe 490667
baboonanza 490668
playthatfunkytuba 490672
desvergeh 490677 (it wasnt till i started to make my turn that i realised how stupid 490676 was, sorry)
Bellowhead 490680 (490679 is another one that made me learn to look closer at the generated maps, but i guess that doesnt matter now anymore ^^)
Henke 490682 (this map just looked too much fun ^^)

WombatDeath
31-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Sorry for messing everyone around, but I really don't have the time to make even nearly this many games. 14 games in half the days is a little beyond me. When I signed up I thought it might be similar to the season (what, six games in two weeks?) and I thought I'd be able to do it, but unfortunately not.

Please count all my games as losses. Sorry again.

Don't worry, we have a substitute (and thanks for letting me know early on that you can't participate).

Everyone: Siddin (FS name: Capernatious) is the new Bellowhead. Please could the following players issue a challenge to Capernatious:

cimethink
DeVadder
leegeorg07
jsutcliffe
Baboonanza
playthatfunkytuba
desvergeh

Siddin, you need to challenge the following people:

Henke
gotem
iwem.xo
ColOfNature
rodeoclown
Xune
lagnut

WombatDeath
31-03-2012, 02:08 PM
And as a special favour for WombatDeath: 490636 :D

That's more of a chance than I've had in some of your other games!

(To those who haven't yet played against Rodeo, this is his latest offering (http://www.wombatdeath.com/images/what-a-coincidence.jpg)).

Fumarole
31-03-2012, 03:44 PM
cimethink 4:0 DeVadder in match 490557


That's more of a chance than I've had in some of your other games!(To those who haven't yet played against Rodeo, this is his latest offering (http://www.wombatdeath.com/images/what-a-coincidence.jpg)).Never trust clowns, it only leads to tears.

Siddin
31-03-2012, 03:59 PM
My games:

Henke 49069
gotem 490775
iwem.xo 490777
ColOfNature 490780
rodeoclown 490781
Xune 490782
lagnut 490783

While I'm typing this post I've already been slaughtered by DeVadder, so:

DeVadder has defeated Capernatious in game 490773, 4 kills to 0.