Banned from RPS Steam Chatroom? [Archive] - The Rock, Paper, Shotgun Forums

R-F

13-03-2012, 11:49 AM

Did this banning coincide with you dissin' Richard Garriott & Peter Molyneux? Just throwing it out there. :)

Nah, the last time I was in it had to be half a year or more ago.

So, I guess it might've coincided with it. But can you even ban someone if they're not in the chatroom?

Unaco

13-03-2012, 12:10 PM

So, I guess it might've coincided with it. But can you even ban someone if they're not in the chatroom?

No. You were kicked/banned while you were in the room. I can't remember the exact/specific reasons, but you were being very disruptive, bringing forum arguments into the chat room, generally being angry and shouty.

R-F

13-03-2012, 12:19 PM

No. You were kicked/banned while you were in the room. I can't remember the exact/specific reasons, but you were being very disruptive, bringing forum arguments into the chat room, generally being angry and shouty.

How long ago was this?

Are flippant bans permanent?

Unaco

13-03-2012, 02:40 PM

How long ago was this?

Are flippant bans permanent?

I couldn't say specifically, as I don't know the specifics. I do seem to recall it went by standard procedure... you were warned, kicked, and then you returned and continued, and so you were banned.

R-F

13-03-2012, 02:42 PM

I couldn't say specifically, as I don't know the specifics. I do seem to recall it went by standard procedure... you were warned, kicked, and then you returned and continued, and so you were banned.

The fact none of the moderators are actually willing to talk to me is at issue here, really. It's just a bit dodgy for a community Steam chat.

CuriousOrange

13-03-2012, 04:56 PM

You aren't allowed to be disruptive or cause arguments. Unless of course you are Alexander Norris and then it is your job.

Bobtree

13-03-2012, 05:09 PM

Are flippant bans permanent?

Will you be permanently flippant if they unban you?

R-F, I'm going to be blunt here. You are the only regular RPS comment/forum poster who I have considered blocking entirely. I'm a tolerant and forgiving sort who constantly self-censors, and you are so frequently inconsiderate that my patience may yet wear out.

I do not know who is responsible for the chat moderation, but perhaps if you put more thought and care into what you write then this kind of thing wouldn't happen.

No hard feelings. Even Horatio Caine may still one day put on his sunglasses and say something insightful.

Nalano

13-03-2012, 06:25 PM

/popcorn

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slick_101

13-03-2012, 06:36 PM

/popcorn

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Screw popcorn. I'm getting the Hot dog and Large cinema sized Bottle of Pepsi.

Ansob

13-03-2012, 07:25 PM

Are flippant bans permanent?

I would not define being banned for being insulting as "flippant," if that's what happened.

I'll see if Null is willing to talk to you in private.

Also, this should have been raised with Null directly and privately in the first place rather than posted in the (wrong) forum.

Nalano

13-03-2012, 07:27 PM

I dunno why people insist on complaining about being banned. It never goes well. Own your shit and move forward.

R-F

13-03-2012, 10:10 PM

I would not define being banned for being insulting as "flippant," if that's what happened.

I'll see if Null is willing to talk to you in private.

Also, this should have been raised with Null directly and privately in the first place rather than posted in the (wrong) forum.

Thank you.

Bilbo1981

14-03-2012, 09:41 AM

Mistabashi

14-03-2012, 10:03 AM

I was banned a long time ago for voicing my opinions on various games which didn't agree with the people in charge. Basically I've found in "gaming communities" you have to generally agree with everything the people in charge say othewise you will be branded a troll.

My experience differs. I've had plenty of differing opinions on forums, but I've never been banned from anywhere for expressing them. It's usually not what you say but how you choose to say it that gets you banned.

DaftPunk

14-03-2012, 10:08 AM

I remember being banned for several times on one certain forum,for quite stupid reason actually.

Scumbag

14-03-2012, 10:12 AM

I was banned a long time ago for voicing my opinions on various games which didn't agree with the people in charge. Basically I've found in "gaming communities" you have to generally agree with everything the people in charge say othewise you will be branded a troll.

While I have no idea what you put, so nothing personal here, thats typically the defense of someone who says something along the lines of "Game X is shit, everything about it is shit and you are a shit person for liking such shit!".

Theblazeuk

14-03-2012, 12:12 PM

Never been banned from anything for disagreeing. Never seen anyone banned for simple disagreement.

Seen a lot of persecution complexes though.

Kadayi

14-03-2012, 12:55 PM

I recently got perm banned from a forum I'd been a member of for about 8 years. The ban wasn't even for anything I'd done or said on the forum. They were doing a revamp of their site, they asked me if I'd do them a new logo (which I spend a fair amount of time on tbh), which their web 'designer' (I use that term loosely) then managed to mangle completely without my knowledge or consent (just because you've got Adobe illustrator doesn't actually make you a graphic designer people). When it came out, I wasn't too chuffed (if I'm doing work for gratis then I expect it to be used as is, so it can be referenced as a portfolio piece..that's the pay off Vs getting paid)and vocalized my unhappiness over what had been done (plus it looks terrible) If they wanted changes then they should of come back to me in the first place and I'd of reworked it...something I do with any project. Anyhows they got all uptight defensive and before I knew it I'd lost my LA privileges (although I made them pull the logo and all the articles I'd written for the site entirely). Initially I was pissed off (after all I'd not actually gone anything wrong...save mistake them for professionals), but now I just think 'fuck em', their loss. One has to accept that sometimes those in charge are neither rational or fair minded.

QuantaCat

14-03-2012, 01:01 PM

I forgot to set your phasers to ignore R-F this time, kads.

But seriously, I can understand someone banning you from a chat. Not permbanning, though, but thats really a moot point.

icupnimpn2

14-03-2012, 05:42 PM

You're all on my pre-ban list in the event I host a chat room or forum

Spinoza

14-03-2012, 06:08 PM

I wish any conflict be regulated in good old way. Real or imagined offence? You demand satisfaction , name representative , meet other gents early in the morning in the forest ( you might spend night before on debauchery) and voilà, done. I'm sure it will bring the fresh air on to the inter-nets instantly.

westyfield

14-03-2012, 06:36 PM

Kadayi

14-03-2012, 06:37 PM

forgot to set your phasers to ignore R-F this time, kads.

More a response to Nalano's comment about being prepared to own your shit, which is good advice I'd say. In my case fact of the matter is, it would of been an easy thing to just let those guys run with the bastardized logo and not raise an issue about what had happened and I'd still be a member of that community today. However I wasn't happy with what had been done as it completely undermined the core design concept they'd approved at every stage of the process (I kept them in the loop at every step). From my perspective it was an investment in loss in terms of the final product because what they'd done I couldn't (and wouldn't) be able to use in any personal capacity. I was aware that bringing it up was likely to cause friction, but ultimately you have to be true to yourself and your principles.

icupnimpn2

14-03-2012, 11:21 PM

More a response to Nalano's comment about being prepared to own your shit, which is good advice I'd say. In my case fact of the matter is, it would of been an easy thing to just let those guys run with the bastardized logo and not raise an issue about what had happened and I'd still be a member of that community today. However I wasn't happy with what had been done as it completely undermined the core design concept they'd approved at every stage of the process (I kept them in the loop at every step). From my perspective it was an investment in loss in terms of the final product because what they'd done I couldn't (and wouldn't) be able to use in any personal capacity. I was aware that bringing it up was likely to cause friction, but ultimately you have to be true to yourself and your principles.

I'm with you, man. The original had so much class.

http://i.imgur.com/nF3GCl.png

Nalano

14-03-2012, 11:31 PM

You're all on my pre-ban list in the event I host a chat room or forum

Probably a smart idea.

Kadayi

14-03-2012, 11:47 PM

I'm with you, man. The original had so much class.

http://i.imgur.com/nF3GCl.png

LOL. You have too much spare time there ic.

Stormbane

15-03-2012, 01:56 AM

I was flippantly banned from Kotaku a couple years ago for calling Brian Ashcraft an egotistical asshole.

Phantoon

15-03-2012, 10:45 AM

I like dropping off the face of the community then wandering back in to see new walls have been broken down and put up.

It's like uncovering a mystery that wasn't a mystery at all, and didn't need to be solved.

Still, fun as a passive observer to see how things change, especially in regards to people that have been around here for a long while.

Zephro

15-03-2012, 02:39 PM

I was banned from a WoW clan run by my Uni flatmate because I called the other founder a racist in group chat when he was calling people "jews" as an insult. Felt more like an escape that one.

Rii

15-03-2012, 03:12 PM

I've been banned from most forums of which I've been a member. Their loss.

You aren't allowed to be disruptive or cause arguments. Unless of course you are Alexander Norris and then it is your job.

Win.

[the Alexander Norris Saga was largely before my time, it's the structure I'm high-fiving here]

westyfield

15-03-2012, 04:45 PM

[the Alexander Norris Saga was largely before my time, it's the structure I'm high-fiving here]

A name I recognise, but I don't know of this saga.

R-F

19-03-2012, 03:38 PM

Still banned, not been contacted by Nullkigan despite adding him.

What the hell am I meant to do here, guys?

Nalano

19-03-2012, 04:19 PM

Still banned, not been contacted by Nullkigan despite adding him.

What the hell am I meant to do here, guys?

Publicly call attention to yourself so we can sit and judge you for shits and giggles?

NathanH

19-03-2012, 04:36 PM

I suggest you thrash around like a many-tentacled abomination chained deep beneath the earth, roaring your futile fury at the world. And then blame whichever evil company you dislike today.

Berzee

19-03-2012, 04:46 PM

Both of these suggestions have their merits. It's a toss-up, imho.

R-F

19-03-2012, 04:48 PM

Publicly call attention to yourself so we can sit and judge you for shits and giggles?

I think Nalano be mad.

I suggest you thrash around like a many-tentacled abomination chained deep beneath the earth, roaring your futile fury at the world. And then blame whichever evil company you dislike today.

Double mad apologist.

Nalano

19-03-2012, 05:02 PM

I think Nalano be mad.

As a hatter. That said, I don't want the thread to end. We may end up learning a thing or two about you.

For instance, that you LARP, or have a collection of body pillows of your favorite anime characters.

Joseph-Sulphur

19-03-2012, 07:15 PM

Still banned, not been contacted by Nullkigan despite adding him.

What the hell am I meant to do here, guys?

His internet isn't working atm, he just moved. I doubt he wants to deal with this bullshit anyway.

BrothaBear

19-03-2012, 07:24 PM

Bobtree

19-03-2012, 08:17 PM

Dissenting opinions are very respectable when their arguments are well supported.

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens

deano2099

20-03-2012, 12:25 AM

I was banned a long time ago for voicing my opinions on various games which didn't agree with the people in charge. Basically I've found in "gaming communities" you have to generally agree with everything the people in charge say othewise you will be branded a troll.

I would totally love to see a list of what the RPS agreed opinions are. Because I'm fairly sure I'll disagree with at least 50% of them and I've never so much as had a warning from the powers that be over here.

Nalano

20-03-2012, 02:21 AM

I would totally love to see a list of what the RPS agreed opinions are.

Well, we love Bioware, except we hate Bioware, and we love Bethesda, except we hate Bethesda, and we love Obsidian, except we think they make buggy messes, and besides, we hate all these modern action RPGs anyway. But at least we all agree on what an RPG is... right?

We love modern FPSs, except we hate modern FPSs, and we hate consoles, except we own consoles. We want to hear more about indies, except we hold indies in contempt, and we're all about Steam, except Steam sucks, unless you compare it to Origin, because Origin sucks, except when it doesn't. But then, all publisher suck, except they don't and we complain too much.

Am I close?

Because I'm fairly sure I'll disagree with at least 50% of them and I've never so much as had a warning from the powers that be over here.

Nalano: Warning free for... eight hours (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?3622-Need-a-Steam-game-Try-Gettysburg-Armored-Warfare%21&p=104099#post104099).

Alex Bakke

20-03-2012, 09:31 AM

I would totally love to see a list of what the RPS agreed opinions are. Because I'm fairly sure I'll disagree with at least 50% of them and I've never so much as had a warning from the powers that be over here.

From my recollection, Bilbo1981 was being quite obnoxious about it and getting into a lot of arguments. It's not based on what he agrees on or disagrees on.

Lilliput King

20-03-2012, 05:28 PM

So how about them video games

Berzee

20-03-2012, 05:42 PM

So how about them video games

Please try to stay on topic. >_<

Joseph-Sulphur

20-03-2012, 05:47 PM

Stop bumping the fucking thread then.

Berzee

20-03-2012, 05:51 PM

Ok, won't happen again.
Dangit.

LennyLeonardo

20-03-2012, 08:58 PM

Hey guys, remember Wulf? That was a solid ban. Ahhh, so satisfying... Anyway, what are we all talking about?

icupnimpn2

21-03-2012, 01:26 AM

I want wulf back... and WASD

Mistabashi

21-03-2012, 01:49 AM

WASD is still here (heister, and all the other accounts he created that have since been banned).

Berzee

21-03-2012, 02:02 AM

I want wulf back... and WASD

If you miss Wulf, he posts on the comments threads at indiegamer.com from time to time, so you have not lost all opportunity to enjoy reading his thoughts! =)

DWZippy

21-03-2012, 02:07 AM

From my recollection, Bilbo1981 was being quite obnoxious about it and getting into a lot of arguments. It's not based on what he agrees on or disagrees on.

Pretty sure the last time Bilbo was banned, it's because he was calling me a casual gamer because I had a megadrive growing up. This wouldn't be a big deal if he wasn't following every sentence I wrote with "Casual gamer" "that's what the casual gamer says" "Well, of course the casual gamer would think that."

I've never met such a PC elitist. Also, as a regular to the RPS steamchat for about a year now, I can tell you that the steam chat overlords are the very picture of respectable fairness.

icupnimpn2

21-03-2012, 02:28 AM

If you miss Wulf, he posts on the comments threads at indiegamer.com from time to time, so you have not lost all opportunity to enjoy reading his thoughts! =)

Well, you know the saying. If you're kind of amused with someone, let them go. If they love anthropomorphic cartoons and alien races, let them go about their own business.

QuantaCat

21-03-2012, 06:32 AM

wait, wulf is gone? I mean, he was pretty vocal, but did he really fight with the other community members?

I trade you an R-F for a wulf.

R-F

21-03-2012, 06:55 AM

As a hatter. That said, I don't want the thread to end. We may end up learning a thing or two about you.

For instance, that you LARP, or have a collection of body pillows of your favorite anime characters.

I'm actually boning a 13-year-old giant black dwarf guy who is both George Lucas and George Lucas' sister.

His internet isn't working atm, he just moved. I doubt he wants to deal with this bullshit anyway.

Fair enough, like, is there no one else who can deal with it?

Wow...now that hits home

Try going on MMORPG.com for a day or two. Make a dissenting opinion on any major game's forum (Darkfall, SWTOR, GW2 come to mind) and you'll get a ban and mute regardless of how you phrased it, since MMORPG.com uses the time-honoured method of "promote the biggest fans / posters to moderators in their respective game forums, because that's always a good idea".

I mean, I made a post conflating growth of WoW with the number of expansion packs that came along, showing that it rose much quicker (by a good 2x, actually) during vanilla than it did during TBC and half TBC in WotLK. I had plotted graphs and everything.

Banned for a week for "trolling", which apparently has the vaguest definition possible on MMORPG.com and can mean anything between "purposefully irritating people" to "disagreeing with whatever moderator you irritate". All moderator action on MMORPG.com is anonymous, too, but it's certainly possible to see a trend.

c-Row

21-03-2012, 07:26 AM

I've never met such a PC elitist.

That's because they usually don't reveal themselves to casual gamers.

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

LennyLeonardo

21-03-2012, 07:36 AM

wait, wulf is gone? I mean, he was pretty vocal...

Haha, "pretty vocal". Brilliant.

Nalano

21-03-2012, 08:52 AM

wait, wulf is gone? I mean, he was pretty vocal, but did he really fight with the other community members?

I didn't notice that he did so any more than anybody else did, but he did seem to get afoul of the long arm of the law. So I s'pose it's also a facet of when as well as what.

Banned for a week for "trolling"

Banned from various places for language, being rude, posting too many lolcats in lieu of words, language, posting too many non-constructive posts, circumventing censorship, quoting other people's rude posts, language, harassment, making concerted attempts to defame other posters, posting too often, using other people's accounts to circumvent bans, trolling, flaming, and language.

Several lessons were learned. Prominent among them is that when somebody asks you to critique their RP story, what they're really asking is for you to praise them on their writing style. So, while you may be thinking "you just stole ten minutes of my life with your turgid brown prose, your insipidly contrived plot and your Mary Sue protagonist," they probably wouldn't appreciate you saying that.

westyfield

21-03-2012, 09:03 AM

I didn't notice that he did so any more than anybody else did, but he did seem to get afoul of the long arm of the law. So I s'pose it's also a facet of when as well as what.

It wasn't so much to do with his activity on the forums, I believe he 'went off on one' in a comment thread and started calling people some quite rude words. He posted a thread afterwards saying "I'm banned from comments, why?" and Alec (I think) replied explaining why and that he was going to be banned from the forum as well, unless he explained himself. Looks like he didn't.

Banned from various places for language, being rude, posting too many lolcats in lieu of words, language, posting too many non-constructive posts, circumventing censorship, quoting other people's rude posts, language, harassment, making concerted attempts to defame other posters, posting too often, using other people's accounts to circumvent bans, trolling, flaming, and language.

"Circumventing censorship"? How does that work, alt-accounts?

Nalano

21-03-2012, 09:13 AM

"Circumventing censorship"? How does that work, alt-accounts?

Some places replace curses with asterisks.

Some of them don't recognize curses that are part of larger words, like "thundercunt," and some more still don't recognize curses if you add HTML code within them, like "fu<i></i>ck." None of them recognize curses when put within pictures. Do it enough times - like every post for two years straight - and they'll begin to notice.

R-F

21-03-2012, 09:14 AM

Banned from various places for language, being rude, posting too many lolcats in lieu of words, language, posting too many non-constructive posts, circumventing censorship, quoting other people's rude posts, language, harassment, making concerted attempts to defame other posters, posting too often, using other people's accounts to circumvent bans, trolling, flaming, and language.

Several lessons were learned. Prominent among them is that when somebody asks you to critique their RP story, what they're really asking is for you to praise them on their writing style. So, while you may be thinking "you just stole ten minutes of my life with your turgid brown prose, your insipidly contrived plot and your Mary Sue protagonist," they probably wouldn't appreciate you saying that.

lulwat.

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