Desire for More Moderation on These Forums

[R-F]

These forums are becoming pretty rampant with blatant trolls and adbots.

Can we have more moderation, please? Don't know if it'd be a good idea to recruit from the community (no one springs to mind that'd be a good moderator), but we really need some more people moderating - or at least the moderators to temp/perm ban more regularly.

[Althea]

I suggested this a while back, and would agree it'd be a good thing.

[Kadayi]

I suggested this a while back, and would agree it'd be a good thing.

You might find that R-F view on whose a troll and your view are somewhat different Althea.

[Althea]

Yes, that's true, but he's still got a point - this site is assaulted daily by droves of bots whose posts can still be found weeks or even months after they happen, and on top of that certain members (the group of which I'm likely a part) need someone to keep them in line.

[R-F]

Hey, I step over the line sometimes too.

Maybe.

>.>

<.<

[Kadayi]

Well Jim did say that they were tightening the spam bot issue yesterday.

[Wolfenswan]

But I like debauchery!

[Kadayi]

But I like debauchery!

Is that all your after sir?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9o_9goUAM

[Tikey]

I never liked the idea of mods regulating the users. I do agree they are needed for spam control, ordering forums and helping people. But actually enforcing some rules relies heavily on the interpretation of said rules and the relationship of the mods with the users. Cutting it short. Mods are humans. I've always advocated community self regulation. On the other hand, this (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?4473-Mass-Effect-Never-Played-It-Advice&p=121309&viewfull=1#post121309)is probably too much.

[Nalano]

On the other hand, this (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?4473-Mass-Effect-Never-Played-It-Advice&p=121309&viewfull=1#post121309)is probably too much.

Personally, I just find it ironic that calls for more moderation are coming from a guy who publicly broadcasts his ignore list.

[squirrelfanatic]

Concerning spam control: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?4403-One-post-requirement-for-starting-threads&p=120692&viewfull=1#post120692

Concerning annoying people: Ignore them, either by not reading their posts, adding them to your ignore-list, or reporting insulting posts.

[Tikey]

Personally, I just find it ironic that calls for more moderation are coming from a guy who publicly broadcasts his ignore list.

To be fair, in this case Kad isn't the one asking for moderation. And I think his response was quite appropriate, even though it might be a little sardonic.
It's commendable for the community that most people ignored the issue and continued with the topic at hand.

[Kadayi]

Personally, I just find it ironic that calls for more moderation are coming from a guy who publicly broadcasts his ignore list.

R-F is the one asking Nalano, not me (I'm all for less spam though, as it's been overwhelming of late). However past experience has shown me that moderators can be a mixed bag (power tends to go to peoples heads, and not in a good way).

[Vicious]

Too many egos on this forum. Moderators might help nip that in the bud. Of course, moderators might also have egos and then >>>>>> :|

[ColOfNature]

Take off and ban everyone from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[squareking]

I've said it before -- I'd be happy to trim out the spamfat.

[zookeeper]

As of right now, spam bots control 7 of 8 new posts (with this being the other 1/8. telling, no?).

[Wizardry]

Is this the PC Gaming Discussion refugee thread? If so, please take me in.

[The JG Man]

A good moderator will be someone wise enough to have not been antagonistic to people and be able to completely separate moderation and actively posting. The community is pretty good at responding to individuals who don't really fall in with the etiquette here, so most of the issue is simply the spamming. Besides, the people who put themselves forward as moderators more-often-than-not tend to be the good, honest folk on places like this. It's forums where there is a pre-existing source of 'power' (I feel very stupid for even having to acknowledge that this rubbish happens) where moderators can become a problem. I hardly think that'll occur here.

[Smashbox]

Oh thank god you guys are still alive. I thought I was the only one left. I think we're safe here.

*Spambots pound on door*

[westyfield]

Guys? Guys, let me in! Come on, I know you're in there, surely there's more room for- oh shit! No, no, get back!
OPEN IT! THE DOOR! OPEN THE DOOR! OPEN THE DOOR OPEN THE DOOR!
*coughs*
Guys, just open season 2 of Supernatural the door, you can let me in, I'm fine, I *coughs* can get in without letting any free streaming movies available here *splutters* spambots in.
Look, you've got a window, look out of it, you can see it's clear, just watch game of thrones online watch out for any more of the- *coughcough*
*wheeze*
*dies*
*cue sad music*
*cut to funeral scene, hundreds of sobbing men and women surround the pyre talking about how much of a hero I was and how I was damned handsome as well, then the music kicks up a notch as we see me rise up from the pyre and take a shaking step towards the crowd, I look directly at you, the reader of this screenplay, and smile*
*cut to black*
*credits roll*

[Nalano]

R-F is the one asking Nalano, not me (I'm all for less spam though, as it's been overwhelming of late). However past experience has shown me that moderators can be a mixed bag (power tends to go to peoples heads, and not in a good way).

In that we are in agreement, tho some disinterested third party stepping in and saying "guys, guys; please" every once in a while can't hurt.

[Smashbox]

It does help, for sure. A firm TONE IT DOWN does wonders.

Also, a round of applause for Westyfield.

[dsch]

Is the thread title a reference to something? I'm getting vibes.

[QuantaCat]

Jim stepped in, someone didnt tone down.

Note: It wasnt kad. Nor nalano. Not even wiz.

[Kadayi]

Jim stepped in, someone didnt tone down.

Note: It wasnt kad. Nor nalano. Not even wiz.

Indeed, one wonders if they read the site rules tbh. Still one of the more hilarious cases of butt hurt over reaction I've witnessed. Embarrassing, but for all the wrong reasons.

[QuantaCat]

Indeed, one wonders if they read the site rules tbh. Still one of the more hilarious cases of butt hurt over reaction I've witnessed. Embarrassing, but for all the wrong reasons.

Clearly someone new to the internet. We should all be extra careful and watch what we say around him.

Still, though, the bots are still a problem. I wouldnt mind a post apocalyptic game, like zombie games, where there arent zombies but robots. And they would be ultra-deadly, as in Terminator.

[Joseph-Sulphur]

The mods have appealed for calmer discourse a couple of times at least. Not sure what more can be done to tame people's raging egos, maybe some kind of bot that responds to particularly indignant/self-important posts by listing the poster's failings and insecurities.

[Wizardry]

What happened and where? Who got banned? Did I miss any forum drama?

[alms]

FWIW I second the idea of giving someone just enough power to move the obvious spam threads out of sight. I'm not sure whether a full-time moderator is really that needed though.

[Grizzly]

FWIW I second the idea of giving someone just enough power to move the obvious spam threads out of sight. I'm not sure whether a full-time moderator is really that needed though.

Hmm. How about, instead of employing another full time moderator, upgrading the normal moderators to "global moderators" and employing several new ones with the task of deleting spam and locking threads that get out of hand (which can then be unlocked anyway), and nothing else? I actually do not know that the current moderation team does at this moment (probably just that, although I haven't seen a lot of deleting or locking lately unfortunately), but I think that a few several extra souls wouldn't hurt. The thing is that moderators are often recruited from well known forum members, and...








yeah.

[Tikey]

It does help, for sure. A firm TONE IT DOWN does wonders.

Also, a round of applause for Westyfield.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i9Fa2UrDAk

[Nullkigan]

FWIW I second the idea of giving someone just enough power to move the obvious spam threads out of sight. I'm not sure whether a full-time moderator is really that needed though.

I respectfully disagree. Even ignoring the spam the general attitude and behaviour displayed in threads outside of the social clubs has been decidedly poor. Common issues include: rehashing old arguments, the same self-important people having the same argument across multiple threads, over-radical posting styles and outright personal attacks/insults/name calling.

I continue using this forum only for the social clubs; you know, the ones where people know how to be nice and sociable?

Unfortunately the Management prefer a laisez faire approach to moderation, sort of like the EVE developers.

[Keep]

I respectfully disagree. Even ignoring the spam the general attitude and behaviour displayed in threads outside of the social clubs has been decidedly poor. Common issues include: rehashing old arguments, the same self-important people having the same argument across multiple threads, over-radical posting styles and outright personal attacks/insults/name calling.

But for the last one, well what can you do? Tell people to only say certain things and not others? Silence some of the egos? Which ones? On what basis?

By and large I think RPS is pretty good for discussions, I've really been enjoying watching the debates and opinions that come out of folks here, and joining in with own 2 cents. Sure there's a lot of disagreement, and sometimes it ventures into mud-flinging, but the majority of it is articulate, intelligent, interesting.

I'd rather endure the repetitions and squabbles than kill off the discussions altogether.

[Nullkigan]

But for the last one, well what can you do? Tell people to only say certain things and not others? Silence some of the egos? Which ones? On what basis?

By and large I think RPS is pretty good for discussions, I've really been enjoying watching the debates and opinions that come out of folks here, and joining in with own 2 cents. Sure there's a lot of disagreement, and sometimes it ventures into mud-flinging, but the majority of it is articulate, intelligent, interesting.

I'd rather endure the repetitions and squabbles than kill off the discussions altogether.

Actually, yes. It IS perfectly acceptable to say certain insulting behaviours are not tolerated, and this does not adversely affect discussions at all. If anything, knocking people on the head to keep things on-target would make the place more attractive to a wider base of posters, as they then know they're not going to be derailed or attacked.

[Kadayi]

But for the last one, well what can you do? Tell people to only say certain things and not others? Silence some of the egos? Which ones? On what basis?

Indeed. Perhaps Nullikigan can provide us with a top ten list and a record of their crimes? I'm curious to know whether I'm still most most hated, or whether Wizardry has edged me out.

[Rii]

I respectfully disagree. Even ignoring the spam the general attitude and behaviour displayed in threads outside of the social clubs has been decidedly poor. Common issues include: rehashing old arguments, the same self-important people having the same argument across multiple threads, over-radical posting styles and outright personal attacks/insults/name calling.

As someone who posts exclusively outside the social clubs, I've rarely encountered these issues and have little difficulty either avoiding or ignoring them when I do. So far as I can see, the current system of self-regulation coupled with man Rossignol occasionally popping by to instill the fear of God is working perfectly well.

If you're being that much of a dick that Jim Rossignol drops by to ban you then it shouldn't come as any surprise, and if you aren't then why is any intervention needed? If folks can't help but drag out unproductive conflicts that's their problem and their responsibility; for the rest of us, there's the scroll wheel. I'm not being an absolutist here: I can clearly envision a state of chaos wherein more active moderation would be useful, but RPS is not that. Does not even vaguely resemble that.

[Nalano]

Indeed. Perhaps Nullikigan can provide us with a top ten list and a record of their crimes? I'm curious to know whether I'm still most most hated, or whether Wizardry has edged me out.

Wizardry's grandfathered in the top spot. Sorry, but he's just more consistent than you.

[Tikey]

I don't know. Constant repetition has transformed Wizardy into something somehow adorable. All his "that's not an RPG" arguments have become something like a cat trying to catch a laser dot.

PS: XOXO Wizardy

[Wizardry]

I don't know. Constant repetition has transformed Wizardy into something somehow adorable. All his "that's not an RPG" arguments have become something like a cat trying to catch a laser dot.

PS: XOXO Wizardy
Time to make myself a new account. Perhaps Zork, where I'll be arguing that graphical adventures aren't really adventure games.

[Unaco]

Time to make myself a new account. Perhaps Zork, where I'll be arguing that graphical adventures aren't really adventure games.

Already been done (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/08/not-so-far-far-away-the-old-republic/#comment-867686). Twice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/03/details-emerge-for-obsidian-south-park-rpg/#comment-863813), thrice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/02/rps-asks-games-for-the-weekend/#comment-863809) at least.

[Nalano]

Already been done (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/08/not-so-far-far-away-the-old-republic/#comment-867686). Twice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/03/details-emerge-for-obsidian-south-park-rpg/#comment-863813), thrice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/02/rps-asks-games-for-the-weekend/#comment-863809) at least.

That's some win right there.

[Wizardry]

Already been done (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/08/not-so-far-far-away-the-old-republic/#comment-867686). Twice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/03/details-emerge-for-obsidian-south-park-rpg/#comment-863813), thrice (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/02/rps-asks-games-for-the-weekend/#comment-863809) at least.
That's pretty funny, but he made a terrible and unforgivable mistake:


Wizardry 1? WIZARDRY 1? Excuse me while I have a laughing fit. *Zork laughs — a retching sound, curdled with bitterness.*

Hardly a CRPG. More like the first nail in the coffin for the CRPG. The first — and possibly purest — example of how graphical interfaces took almost ALL the “RPG” out of “CRPG.”

Kids. *Zork rolls his eyes and strides mournfully from the room.*
Yes, he failed to realise that not only do CRPGs pre-date text adventures, but the first ever one featured beautiful vector graphics that were displayed on the lovely plasma displays of the PLATO terminals. Pfff. It takes more effort than that to troll Wizardry.

[Keep]

Yes, he failed to realise that not only do CRPGs pre-date text adventures, but the first ever one featured beautiful vector graphics that were displayed on the lovely plasma displays of the PLATO terminals. Pfff. It takes more effort than that to troll Wizardry.

Actually when they reconstructed the Antikythera mechanism they discovered it was used to create text adventures.

[Tikey]

Time to make myself a new account. Perhaps Zork, where I'll be arguing that graphical adventures aren't really adventure games.

See, you're truly lovely and I'm not joking. The fact that you too can join in the joke shows it.

[Wizardry]

Actually when they reconstructed the Antikythera mechanism they discovered it was used to create text adventures.
Yes. In response to the over saturation of the CRPG market in BCE Greece.

[TailSwallower]

I think giving someone (someones?) the power to move threads to an Island of Misfit Threads would be the best way to avoid giving any new mods too much respowerbility... The only problem being that I haven't come across any forum software that would allow that sort of thing. Moderators usually have total power in their domain, and global mods have total power over all domains.

I think I manage to avoid conflict in these forums enough to offer my assistance in stomping bots and turks, but I'm still pretty new, so I don't expect anyone wants to give me the key to this digital city just yet.

[Smashbox]

You had me at Island of Misfit Threads.

[alms]

The only problem being that I haven't come across any forum software that would allow that sort of thing.

It's true that the mod, as a preset role, is by default given all those powers the newb admin expects it to have. However full-fledged boards should offer plenty granularity in permissions, it's just a matter of turning the right knobs.

[Kadayi]

It's just a matter of turning the right knobs.

Aren't they all knobs on the right?

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

Indeed, one wonders if they read the site rules tbh. Still one of the more hilarious cases of butt hurt over reaction I've witnessed. Embarrassing, but for all the wrong reasons.

Well, you accused me of wanting to commit real violence against real women, and that's a pretty dangerous thing to throw around. As that issue affects real people's lives and you have no idea what exists in my past, it's in extremely poor taste to make a throwaway, unsupported comment about such a serious topic. I have no intentions of discussing my personal life or past with you, but what if my father had beaten the shit out of my mother througout my childhood? You can see how that would affect somebody, right? And then for you to flippantly say that somebody has a "desire to murder women"... I mean, Jesus - do you accuse people of wanting to commit rape and then laugh when they become offended? I know you're in your little internet bubble there, but please do remember that this sort of horiffic thing happens to real people and can be offensive.

So yeah, let's try it that way except with "raping women" instead of "murdering women" (what you accused me of wanting to do);

Kadayi - "You sound like a rapist."
Person B - "How dare you say that? My sister was raped and it destroyed our family, why would you even accuse me of that?"
Kadayi - "LOL butthurt! It's the internet, get a life you noob rapist."

Regarding my reaction - unfortunately, I took you seriously. I mean, I like this place, I like the people on here, and I'd rather not have someone who seemed to be a long standing member of the community try to stick a charge of misogyny on me. Had I known how little esteem you were held in around here (as I've subsequently discovered) I wouldn't have bothered.


So, yeah - I overreacted. Not in so far as the comment goes (with absolutely no justification you did accuse me of something very, very serious that I find very, very offensive), but in so far as I regarded your opinion as something worth speaking against. Turns out it's not.

QuantaCat - love you too! I'm by no means new to the internet, but I've made it a point to try and treat people here with the same respect that I show in real life. I think it's pretty cowardly to use the excuse of a monitor and anonymity to say things to people you'd never say otherwise - you and Kadayi might think it acceptable to say what the hell you like to people just because you can't be held to account for it, but I try to treat people like people, regardless if all I see of them is a forum name. The fact that I was called a woman hating bigot hurts and offends me - evidently it's something you guys don't care about, but I think people beating up women is a pretty serious issue, and words are words - they don't mean something different because you typed them rather than spoke them.

Edit - oh, and I don't expect QuantaCat or Kadayi to read this - I'm sure they'll just see I've posted and go "oh lol look he's butthurt again lol lol!" I'd just like to explain my actions to those people here who aren't looking to cause irritation and offense.

[Smashbox]

NOT TO JUMP IN THE MIDDLE:

But I think it's impossible to have a civilized conversation with anyone as soon as they begin name calling. That said, I'm not implying the conversation was civil to begin with.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

Smashbox - the 'conversation' started when I said I wanted to kill a character in a computer game (with no reference to the character's gender aside from a pronoun) and Kadayi said that I didn't like ME2 because I have fantasies of assaulting and murdering women and the game stopped me from fulfilling them. Uhm... How was I supposed to have a civil conversation from that starting point?

C'mon man, tell me I was wrong to find that pretty damn offensive. I know hardened "internet veterans" (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9vzd2fD5z7o/TQFFc-dqbLI/AAAAAAAAAxs/p_WHoOjm3Vo/s1600/southpark.jpg) like QuantaCat reckon this sort of thing's OK to throw around and it's all just good fun, but I'm very glad to say that I haven't become that desensitised yet.

[Kadayi]

@Captain Edwardo

Not to put too fine a point on it I accused you of nothing. I made a joke. Pretty much everyone here seems to understand that but you. Where as you on the other hand with your indignation have made a fool out of yourself. You've also violated the forum rules on several occasions. I'm not sure whether you quite understand that. Here's a reminder as to what they are: -

1. Be excellent to each other.

2. That means not insulting each other.

3. No, really, it's possible to disagree without insults. Just don't do it.

4. Please use English. I know, but our Foreign is pretty shockingly bad.

5. Please report spam or innappropriate behaviour using the tools provided.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?104-The-Rules

I'm a little dry at times, but I'm not the one spitting on the rulebook in this situation.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

I'm not really interested in continuing this with you personally. When the thread kicked off I went into the RPS Steam chat and, confused and irritated (yes, you irritated me, well done, have a point), said "What the fuck is this Kadayi guy's problem?" The several responses (and private messages I've gotten on here) were summed up by this one; "Just don't engage with Kadayi. He's toxic."

You might think I've made a fool of myself, but fortunately I think the far more widespread view is that your opinions and 1,624 posts just aren't worth bothering with. I've only made a fool of myself by engaging with rather than ignoring you.

However, for anyone else reading this;


So your dislike of the game stems from your inability to beat up and murder women? Interesting.....

Well if Kadayi thinks it's a joke then he's missed the punchline - it literally isn't funny. Arguably but not obviously sacastic, perhaps, but it's certainly not a joke. I think a normal (nice) person would've at least understood my severe reaction to having been accused of being a violent misogynyst and gone "Whoa, whoa! Hang on, that wasn't serious, calm the fuck down." I'd have gone "OK, I got the wrong end of the stick there", edited the post, blah blah, blah blah, everyone's friends again, no problem... Someone posting insults, subsequently claiming it's a 'joke' and then running to the rulebook is a pretty played out troll. Godspeed, that brave internet warrior!

[Kadayi]

*chortles*

*popcorn*

Observational humour is clearly lost on you it seems.

Also I'm pointing you to the rules because you're in danger of getting banned.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

Yeah man, I know - it's hard when people don't realise how much of a genius you evidently are. (http://t.qkme.me/35cgam.jpg) I'm off, I'll let you clear the Mountain Dew cans, get back behind the keyboard and crank out some more genius comedy. Settle back into that ass-groove and enjoy your life, internet hero!

Edit - your concern is touching! Thankyou.

[Keep]

1. Be excellent to each other.

Both of you. Shut up.

[zookeeper]

This is going well.

[Kadayi]

This is going well.

Never a frown with golden brown zoo.

[Nalano]

Yellow card for narrating your own laughter.

[westyfield]

Oh my, a thread got derailed? This is exactly the sort of thing we need moderators to deal with! I'll go start a thread expressing my desire for more moderation on these forums. BRB.

[QuantaCat]

Re: whatever was aimed at me.

This should be a lesson in life: dont. ever. let. anything. get. to. you. what. anyone. says.

Not here, not anywhere. If youve got a problem with what someone says, that's basically your problem. There are many fine social buttons and tunings on this forum where you could phase out peoples opinions entirely. They cant terrorise you, they cant make your standing so bad you get beat up by the police. Sure, somethings happened in your life that you didnt like, and its the worst, and noone can see that so theyre just obliviously making jokes and OMG THATS NOT FUNNY LEAVE ME ALONE.

Or you could just as well find a way to reflect on yourself "why is this totally random person on the internet getting to me? he doesnt even know me, nor I know him, and even if he did, what does he have to do with my life, now seriously?"

If you do that for a lot of people you encounter, and you dont like because of some behaviour or whatever: I promise you, you will be happier.

Now please drop it, and join in on the fun, whatever that means for you!

PS: love, kad & wiz. (especially that zork comment was made of gold)

PPS: Also, if Jim says no moderation is necessary, then thats enough for me. As long as they check in often enough to get rid of the bots.

[Kadayi]

Sure, somethings happened in your life that you didnt like, and its the worst, and noone can see that so theyre just obliviously making jokes and OMG THATS NOT FUNNY LEAVE ME ALONE.

I find it curious that someone who claims to be a victim of trauma would express themselves in that capacity as a desire. You'd think that as a life rule it would be outside their lexicon of articulation in order not to diminish its seriousness to others.


Person B 'I'd rape that bitch up'
Kadayi (jokingly) - "You sound like a rapist."
Person B - "How dare you say that? My sister was raped and it destroyed our family, why would you even accuse me of that?"
Kadayi - "Because you just said 'I'd like to rape that bitch up' perhaps?"

Something just doesn't sit right there. Still too much internet drama for this weekend.

[Lambchops]

Oh my, a thread got derailed? This is exactly the sort of thing we need moderators to deal with! I'll go start a thread expressing my desire for more moderation on these forums. BRB.

Oooh, oooh, wouldn't it be like . . . so meta if I derailed that thread. Then we can giggle and laugh and dance off into the sunset and . . .

Sorry, I seem to have got a tad carried awah there. I'll just . .. oh I dunno.

[Skalpadda]

I say bring back the silent editing of comments from ye olden days of RPS, where unpleasant things would inexplicably turn into lovely things. The sheer amount of comments and forum post these days would make that a nightmare task, but it was funny.

If anything could be done about the spammage though, that would be great.

[Vicious]

Kadayi is RockPaperShotguns Dawn Falcon.

Well, maybe a mix of Kadayi and Wizardry.

[Kadayi]

Who?

10 char

[Grizzly]

Rape.

You guys ought to read this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80668.0).

[Kadayi]

You guys ought to read this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80668.0).

TL:DR

Cut to the chase Griz.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

Absolutely, Grizzly. I was suggesting that making flippant use of gendered violence (as Kadayi did) was almost as bad as making flippant use of rape (as is unfortunately common on the internet). Both are subjects to be taken very seriously, even on the internet.

[Kadayi]

Absolutely, Grizzly. I was suggesting that making flippant use of gendered violence (as I did) was almost as bad as making flippant use of rape (as is unfortunately common on the internet). Both are subjects to be taken very seriously, even on the internet.

Corrected for accuracy. I'm not the person saying I wanted to smash someones face in the first place.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Liar. Here's what I said;


For what it's worth, the point where ME2 got switched off was when my Astro-PA said of my big basilisk/tiger power-armour suited mate that she "Just wanted to give him a hug and tell him everything was going to be all right", and there was no option to smash the heel of your boot into her face and throw her out of an airlock.

Kadayi, 'gendered violence' is targeting violence at somebody because of their gender. As everyone can clearly see, the gender of the individual in question is completely irrelevant to my reaction. I was making flippant use of specifically non-gendered violence, which is acceptable as the game in question is full of flippant uses of non-gendered violence. The Astro-PA is also white - are you suggesting I harbour fantasies of killing white people? She's also short. Are you suggesting I harbour fantasies of killing short people?

Dude, her gender had nothing to do with it. There is nothing in my post to suggest her gender had anything to do with it. There's no evidence of misogyny there whatsoever.

Edit - I'm dreadfully sorry to keep clogging up this thread, but seeing as it got brought up over here too I didn't really want to leave comments unanswered. I'll stop when he stops (get Jim to ban us both for 48 hours, that'll do it).

[Kadayi]

So your defence is that expressing a desire to smash in your PAs face and shove her out an airlock is a perfectly valid expression because it had nothing to do with her Gender, Age, Race or height? you don't see how that seems faintly overboard?

[Vicious]

See? RockPaperShotguns Dawn Falcon.

[Kadayi]

See? RockPaperShotguns Dawn Falcon.

Who is Dawn Falcon Vicious? Is it someone you went to school with? A neighbour? A carnival hand? Enlighten us?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dawn+falcon

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

So your defence is that expressing a desire to smash in your PAs face and shove her out an airlock is a perfectly valid expression because it had nothing to do with her Gender, Age, Race or height? you don't see how that seems faintly overboard?

Eh? Overboard?

Wait wait wait - you didn't say that comment was going 'overboard', you said it was evidence that I hated women - you're changing your story now.

"Overboard" would have been fine! Seriously man, if you'd said "that seems a bit overboard" that would have been all cool! It was overboard, I would have agreed with you! We could have had a discussion about it. Instead you said it meant I hated women, and as you can clearly see there's no evidence of that in what I said.

Dude, if you retract that I'm a misogynyst then I'll happily go with and discuss your claim that the comment was overboard. I've got no problem with that whatsoever, that's fine. Seriously - let me know if that's cool, we'll go back and edit the posts to get all that crap off the other thread, and if you want we can have a discussion about the overboard nature of that comment.

[Grizzly]

TL:DR

Cut to the chase Griz.

Just read what General Battutta and MP-Ryan said - And up to page 6. That should be enough I think. It was not specifically directed to you though, although it should be an interesting read nonetheless.

[westyfield]

I find it amusing that you're describing flushing someone out of an airlock as "faintly overboard". Well, yeah. That's the idea. :)

[Kadayi]

Eh? Overboard? You didn't say that comment was going 'overboard', you said it was evidence that I hated women. This is the first time you've said it's about going 'overboard' - you're changing your story now.

Seriously man, if you'd said "that seems a bit overboard" that would have been fine! It was overboard! We could have had a discussion about it. Instead you said it meant I hated women, and as you can clearly see there's no evidence of that in what I said.

Dude, if you retract that I'm a misogynyst then I'll happily go with and discuss your claim that the comment was overboard. I've got no problem with that whatsoever, that's fine.

How can I retract what I never said?

[Kaira-]

Stop it, this is getting very silly.

[Grizzly]

For reference, this is the exchange that pissed Eduardo off:

I'd never had a go at them either (the Zero Punctuation reviews seem to match my tastes pretty well and his vedict was "well written dull FPS in space"), but bought ME2 and... Thought it was a well written dull FPS in space, got bored after three hours and gave up. Reading this, though, I'll have a go at ME1 and see if engenders any more attachment to the characters (apparently the primary motivation for continuing through).

For what it's worth, the point where ME2 got switched off was when my Astro-PA said of my big basilisk/tiger power-armour suited mate that she "Just wanted to give him a hug and tell him everything was going to be all right", and there was no option to smash the heel of your boot into her face and throw her out of an airlock.


So your dislike of the game stems from your inability to beat up and murder women? Interesting.....

No offense Eduardo, but you did imply an desire to beat up and murder a woman there, and noted that you did not like that you could actually do so in the game. That is not a view point we get often.

[Rii]

Strip the egos and the specifics away and I think there is some potentially interesting material for discussion here. Someone should post a thread on the subject.

[Capt. Eduardo del Mango]

How can I retract what I never said?

Well, you did say that I hated women quite explicitly here;


So your dislike of the game stems from your inability to beat up and murder women? Interesting.....

Ah well, thought we were making some progress. At least you've admitted I wasn't being misogynystic - that I was being overboard in a way that had nothing to do with the character's gender.

Grizzly - the key comment there being a woman. What about Just Cause - isn't the main baddie you have to kill female? I mean, how do you kill her without harming a woman? ME2 is a game which involves killing people of many races and species and genders - what, did you go through the game only killing dudes?