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Inverselaw
21-06-2011, 01:38 AM
Upper Bracket is currently in Round 6

Lower Bracket is currently in Round 6b

All Matches played on Server UK1

Hello everyone this thread is to explain and organise the summer PBEM tournament of Frozen Synapse as seen in this thread (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?74-Frozen-Synapse-PBEM-tournament).

The Tournament is organised using 4 tools/threads.

This thread is for matchmaking and victory declaring purposes, challengers use this thread to indicate when they challenged their opponent and the ID of the match so that other players can follow. Then the winner of the combat posts here to say he is the winner. Please dont use this thread if you want to plan a specific time to play with your opponent, use steam or the forums PM system for that. The other use of this thread is to post grievances such as players not playing their turns and rounds not finishing on time. Finaly I will post statements about what week we are in and what rounds are suppose to be played.

The other tournament thread linked above is for discussing the nature of the tournament, the quality of the maps, talking about matches and other general sociability bits.

A steam group exists (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn), The start and end of rounds will be announced there and the chat room can be used to talk about any game going on at that time.

Finally a spreadsheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AobZWg0T_pMfdENDV2JKSTZsUFVQTjl1dTFWNUR4V mc&hl=en_US&authkey=CMXm2YgP) indicates your opponent at each round, the match type and the map used, it will be updated on a weekly basis based on posted results in this thread.

How to read the spreadsheet.

The spreadsheet has three pages, the third page, Match type votes is no longer important and will not be used during the tournament.

Page one is upper bracket, all players start here, they were all randomly seeded into either the equalization round or given a bye and put in Round 1.

Row 1 lists the name of each round, Row 2 lists the match type and map **map number are posted**

The rest of the page contains the tree structure of the tournament. If we take the top left branch of the tree we see two lines that meet. one has the name Coccyx, the other randomnine and in the the line where they meet the number 1 appears. This means that Coccyx will fight randomnine and the match's number is 1. Based on the instructions below Coccyx is the challenger. The winner of this match will have his name placed after the number, on the line under Margenal who he will fight in Round 1, one week later. The loser is eliminated, however in Round1 and every round after that instead of being eliminated the losing player will be placed in the lower Bracket.

The lower bracket is in page 2 of the spreadsheet. The lower bracket is almost identical with one difference. You will notice that there are L#<number> placed all over it. that means that the loser of match <number> is seeded here and his name is placed in the line to the right of it. Based on this we see in the top left corner that the loser of match 12 will fight the loser of match 13 in the first match of the lower Bracket. There are twice as many rounds in the lower bracket as such some upper bracket rounds will be played over 2 weeks.

The rounds with a in their name start on the same day as the same number rounds in the upper bracket with the same game type and map, b rounds and c rounds do not share this attribute.

You will notice that at the end of the lower bracket you can read, "To upper bracket" the winner of the lower bracket will fight the winner of the upper bracket for the winning spot of the tournament. Note however that since the upper bracket player has lost 0 matches and the lower bracket player has lost 1 match then the lower bracket player must win twice in a row against his opponent (same map and type, alternating challenger). For all intents and purposes the Tournament finale counts as a best 2 out 3 where the upper bracket player has already won one match.

How to start and play your matches

Every round starts on a Wednesday at 12pm (24:00) and ends on a tuesday 12pm (24:00) all times UTC

This tournament is PBEM as such you do not need to schedule a date to start the match, here is the detailed process however that must be followed in order to insure fairness and proper structure.

The first step in any match is to decide who is the challenger and who is the receiver.

For rounds which are an even number and 0 (0,2,4,6) the player who's name appears earlier (a->z) is the challenger.

For rounds which are an odd number or 0 (1,3,5,7) the who's name appears later is the challenger.

As such if your name is aaaardvark for example, and there are no aaaaq... or earlier you will be challenger on even rounds (and 0) and receiver on odd rounds.

Having established who the challenger is, this is the process for the challenger.

1. check in the spreadsheet what is the match type and map used. You can get the maps in the two packs in the attachments below. *ALL MATCHES ARE DARK!!!*

2. open up frozen Synapse, log into UK1, select create game, put down the name of your opponent, select the game type.

3. Chose advanced Setup, in the advanced setup menu load the relevant map. </number></number>Custom levels are stored in psychoff/data/userlevels, thats where you need to unpack the below map packs. For best results put all 60 maps at the root of userlevel.<number><number> once that's done select submit.

A new window will be generated, select the game mode in the first drop down menu, in the second drop down you put the view type, since all matches are dark the proper selection is vis at time zero, so you see the location of all his units at time zero but then only line of site. Then there is turn limit and turn time, turn time is default. turn limit needs to be changed according to game type, the default values as seen here (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Turns) are

</number></number>

Extermination: 8 Turns
Secure: 6 Turns
Disputed: 16 turns
Hostage: 8 turns
Charge: 6 Turns

Then in the box you put down your opponents name, chose the default I play side 1 and finally in the last area, a comment like "RPS tournament". Then press enter.
<number><number>
The proper match should be started.

4. Play out as far as you are allowed. typically that means the first turn or the bid for secure or charge.

5. Look up the ID of your match, then come to this thread and make a post, the post should just be "(challenger)<challenger> has challenged (receiver) <receiver> in match (match ID) <match id="">"

6. Log in to Frozen synapse regularly to play the turn after your opponent has done his.

OPTIONAL

you can use the forums PM system or anything else to specify an exact time to play the match with your opponent in which case you are encouraged but not required to post a message here giving the time of the match so that we can spectate realtime.

Victory Conditions

Standard in game victory conditions are used. The victor of the match will post in this thread with the match number and who he defeated.

In case of incomplete games the winner is the player waiting for input from his opponent.

If either player feels they have been wronged they can seek arbitration and a panel of 3 random players which may or may not be selected from the tournament rolls will review the incomplete match and decide who is the most likely winner, that player will be declared victor. Repeat offenders will be given a mallus during judging.

Complaints about imbalanced maps are INVALID maps have been posted and all requested changes have been made.

Additional information

Maps are attached in post.

There will be a x-th place placement match for 1st to 8th place. 1st, 2nd and 3rd are decided for in the current tournament structure so I will organize additional matches to sort out the other spots.

Post current as of 31th of August
Maps current as of 20th of June

Good luck everyone
</match></receiver></challenger></number></number>

Inverselaw
21-06-2011, 01:39 AM
SCHEDULE!!!

You can read the schedule on the steam group linked above, it is current to about one month in advance (to the start of round 4 (oh god this tournament will never end)).


Tuesday 5
08:00pm
Round 1 Ends! (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888220173382)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888220173382)


Wednesday 6
08:00pm
Round 2 Begins! (U & L Brackets) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888220335450)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888220335450)


Tuesday 12
08:00pm
Round 2 Ends! (U & L Bracket) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888306214687)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888306214687)


Wednesday 13
08:00pm
Round 3 & 3a Begins! (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888306266478)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263473888306266478)


Tuesday 19
08:00pm
Round 3a Ends! (L Bracket) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866748992)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866748992)


Wednesday 20
08:00pm
Round 3b Begins! (L Bracket) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866779544)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866779544)


Tuesday 26
08:00pm
Round 3 & 3b Ends! (U & L Bracket) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866819058)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866819058)


Wednesday 27
08:00pm
Round 4 & 4a Begins! (U & L Bracket) (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866861070)
0 comments... (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rpsyn/events/1263474870866861070)




Join the group so that you can see a more up to date schedule and interact with tournament members.

Youtube!!

ColOfNature, if his infinite wisdom made a youtube group to allow for the posting of the videos and the watching of the matches. It can be found here. (http://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse)

imirk
22-06-2011, 05:08 AM
imirk has challenged jdesler in match 76650

Inverselaw says that you cannot spectate (yet?) because of the dark conditions?

*Edited for turn number

Peter Radiator Full Pig
22-06-2011, 03:54 PM
<strike>Crakker has challanged digital_pariah in match 75314.</strike>
My mistake its actual game 76369, as I will post below.

In advanced setup, after loading the match, I just left all those other options in their default, is this right? It seemed to suggest that the game would be over by turn 5 (Though since its disputed I thought maybe that just when the boxes appear)

imirk
22-06-2011, 04:50 PM
In advanced setup, after loading the match, I just left all those other options in their default, is this right? It seemed to suggest that the game would be over by turn 5 (Though since its disputed I thought maybe that just when the boxes appear)

I noticed and did the same, if it is screwed, well then I guess we will find out in a few days.

Peter Radiator Full Pig
22-06-2011, 05:07 PM
If it is screwed, Ill forfeit that match, as I am the one who set it up. I suppose you can also discuss it with your opponent, if you agree to an hour or so both online, you might be allowed to replay.

Inverselaw
22-06-2011, 08:03 PM
This was worrying me so i went googling, I found the wiki (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Main_Page) and the real turn limits, I thought selecting disputed in the create game menu changed the defaults but it dosent. You have to manualy set the time limit, infact 5 is a rubish time that dosent fit into any time limit of any game time.

Disputed the time limit is 16 turns. Peter dont forfeit, the tournament hasent even started yet so you can just resubmit the match.

Imirk sorry for mis informing you:(

J.B.
22-06-2011, 08:15 PM
Yeah don't worry Peter, we'll just play the match as a normal one. Should be quite interesting as the boxes will appear on the last turn!

imirk
22-06-2011, 08:23 PM
No problem, I think I might resign/lose on purpose, for the achievement :P

psyk
22-06-2011, 09:21 PM
DandC has challenged bonuswavepilot in match 76121 for round one

Peter Radiator Full Pig
22-06-2011, 10:57 PM
Crakker has challanged digital_pariah in match 76369

This is the proper, 16 turns limit. The other one had a 5 turn limit, and didnt have a turn taken. Is there a way to delete it?

ColOfNature
22-06-2011, 10:59 PM
I believe if no-one takes a turn, after two weeks it'll be declared a no-score-draw and disappear. If anyone's taken a turn, the last player to do so would win by default.

Inverselaw
23-06-2011, 01:06 AM
ROUND 0 BEGINS!

all challengers in round 0 make sure to send out your challenges and GOOD LUCK!!!

Du3lingDragon
23-06-2011, 01:25 AM
Du3lingdragon has challenged RoastChief to match 76574

i dont know if hes going to show up it appears he hasnt played in a while. also, a little confusing but i finally figured out how to do it

Vexing Vision
23-06-2011, 12:22 PM
I believe if no-one takes a turn, after two weeks it'll be declared a no-score-draw and disappear. If anyone's taken a turn, the last player to do so would win by default.

Really? I still have around 30 or so unfinished games from the Beta that I just can't get rid of. I hope I can delete their stain from my conciousness once the servers merge!

McDan
23-06-2011, 12:51 PM
Stick llama! If you see this pm me with times you can do it!

Faxmachinen
23-06-2011, 01:12 PM
Faxmachinen has challenged Graever in match 76974.

rantOclock
23-06-2011, 01:19 PM
Enoch has challenged wererogue in match 76980

Hope I've done everything correctly.

Web Cole
23-06-2011, 05:33 PM
Web_cole has challenged Zonderic in match 77390

This is complicated :/ Hope I got it all correct.

ColOfNature
23-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Really? I still have around 30 or so unfinished games from the Beta that I just can't get rid of. I hope I can delete their stain from my conciousness once the servers merge!

Someone said that in the IRC the other day I think. Maybe it was a proposed thing, rather than an actual thing. The only ancient games I have are from the original server, which doesn't seem to be getting much traffic these days. Maybe they're in mothballs until the Great Desharding To Come.

Edit: wasn't just anyone who said it - see "2weeks (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Shapeform#List_of_Keywords)".

Vexing Vision
24-06-2011, 09:30 AM
Ah, great! That'll kill my positive win-quote, but at least that makes me seem more harmless, the way I really am. :D

Can't wait for the Desharditization. This is a word now.


Also, guys, give us some running reports on your matches!

psyk
24-06-2011, 03:51 PM
Turn one - I make the same move I've made at least twice before. Bounswavepilot shoots a rocket
D = 4 / B = 4

Turn Two - My rocket guy gets taken out by BWP's rocket from turn one. BWP's rocket guy forgets to stand up and shoots the table he is crouched behind while his shoutgun guy comes in to line of site of one of my machine gun guys who lets a few bullets off.
D = 3 / B = 3

Turn Three - Pending

baboonanza
24-06-2011, 04:46 PM
BWP's rocket guy forgets to stand up and shoots the table he is crouched behind
Ah, the classic 'Suicide By Table'

Peter Radiator Full Pig
24-06-2011, 06:45 PM
Rockets? I think some people are into Round 1 a little early.

imirk
24-06-2011, 07:01 PM
Rockets? I think some people are into Round 1 a little early.
No harm in that, well other than having to wait for your next opponents to catch up.

psyk
24-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Rockets? I think some people are into Round 1 a little early.

Inverselaw said it was good, I also edited my first post with the round

Antares
24-06-2011, 09:27 PM
MaceWindow has challenged Fredie007 (a little ahead of schedule, but what the hell, right?), game ID 79496

Inverselaw
25-06-2011, 02:37 AM
Id rather that players who know their opponent already to go ahead and start the match, ensuring that they will be done in time.

Lots of round 1 players have byes for themselves and their opponent. and with dissapearing players we should get more of those later on in the tourny.

StickyLlama
25-06-2011, 04:42 AM
Stick llama! If you see this pm me with times you can do it!
Hey McDan - check your PMs

Faxmachinen
25-06-2011, 01:45 PM
Faxmachinen defeated Graever in game 76974.

Unfortunately, uploading to youtube doesn't seem to work.

Jolima
25-06-2011, 06:22 PM
Jolima has challenged Indigon in game 81000. (Ooh even number!)

ColOfNature
25-06-2011, 11:41 PM
The first result is in and uploaded to the RockPaperSynapse YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse), where I'll be adding each match to a playlist for the relevant round as they come in, and tagging the videos with the round, combatants and game type for easy swotting up on your opponents.

If you'd like your best moments (or greatest blunders) highlighted on the channel for posterity, point me at the game id and I'll add it, or post a link to the video in the channel comments and I'll favourite it so everyone can see your tactical genius/inadequacy (delete as appropriate).

(I've duplicated this post in the other thread (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?74-Frozen-Synapse-PBEM-tournament&p=9910#post9910). If you've got any suggestions re the channel please put them over there (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?74-Frozen-Synapse-PBEM-tournament&p=9910#post9910), on the channel comments or in a PM. Ta.)

wererogue
26-06-2011, 02:32 AM
wererogue defeated Enoch in match 76980

(Due to some rather spectacular luck in the first engagement)

wallnuss
26-06-2011, 01:53 PM
wallnuss would love to challenge Kanza, but apparently either the name is wrong or he was never online on UK1.

MasterBoo
26-06-2011, 01:59 PM
Jolima has challenged Indigon in game 81000. (Ooh even number!)

First turn submitted! That's going to be interesting.

Inverselaw
26-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Thats because his name is actualy Kanzy, ive corrected the spreadsheet and hurray for hardcopy lists.

If you tried to challenge someone and failed, please say so, we are already past the halfway mark and barely half the round 0 players sent their challenge.

MasterBoo
26-06-2011, 04:24 PM
Update from Round I Match 81000 - Jolima vs Indigon (myself):
Jolima moves a machine-gunner in the open, and my gunner shoots him down after aiming at him for a while. We both fire missiles at random walls hoping to score a kill, yet we hit no one.

In the next turn, Joolima surprises my hiding shotgun and shots first with his own shotgun (due to me not changing aim direction and aiming at the wall I was hugging :S), yet I kill him with my own machine gun surprise in the top of the map.

Jolima remains with 1 launcher and 1 shotgun, and I remain with 2 machine-gunners and 1 launcher.

Turn 4 is go.

Du3lingDragon
26-06-2011, 05:07 PM
Its coming down to the wire in match 76574: Du3lingdragon vs RoastChief. This will probably be the last move of the game. I Eliminated 2 of his assault rifles, but more importantly his shotgunner is escaping with 2 keys. I cant kill him from any angle and unless he makes a crazy move, i will have lost. Congrats you bastard.

Jolima
26-06-2011, 05:15 PM
I lost both of my remaining men in the next turn. My rocket launcher tried to run across an open gap but was caught just before he reached cover and my shotgunner was caught by a gunner because I forgot that a stationary aiming gunner beats a running shotgunner even on close range.

Thanks for the game MasterBoo.

MasterBoo
26-06-2011, 05:28 PM
Indigon defeated Jolima in match 81000 (round I).

GG jolima!
ColOfNature, can you upload it to youtube?

ColOfNature
26-06-2011, 06:02 PM
Bam! Done (http://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse).

wallnuss
26-06-2011, 08:24 PM
wallnuss challenged Kanzy in Game 82800 not in 82796 (sorry I misclicked).

Du3lingDragon
26-06-2011, 08:31 PM
Du3lingDragon has bested RoastChief in match 76574. GG a score of 1 key to 0

Sunjumper
26-06-2011, 09:40 PM
Sunjumper challenged AlexV, game ID 82971.

Peter Radiator Full Pig
27-06-2011, 11:35 AM
Crakker defeated digital_pariah in game 76369, Round 0

It was a good game, a challanging start to the tournament.

Web Cole
27-06-2011, 12:36 PM
Web_cole is victorious against Zonderic in match 77390

Phew, that was tense. Disputed is definitely my worst match up so I was pretty worried about this one. Thought I had you when I got your Shotgun dude but then BAM! Wp gg, was an interesting game :)

wallnuss
27-06-2011, 04:15 PM
wallnuss challenged Kanzy in Game 82800 not in 82796 (sorry I misclicked).

wallnuss has defeated Kanzy in a smashing game (Round 1). Game ID 82800

Du3lingDragon
27-06-2011, 04:27 PM
Du3lingdragon has challenged Aravar (who as of yet has not played a single game apparently?) in match 83888. Good Hunting. also i am not a fan of extermination 3 it gives red a great opening shot with the rocket but without any possible counter on the first turn

wallnuss
27-06-2011, 05:00 PM
Du3lingdragon has challenged Aravar (who as of yet has not played a single game apparently?) in match 83888. Good Hunting. also i am not a fan of extermination 3 it gives red a great opening shot with the rocket but without any possible counter on the first turn

It is kind of unfair but I was able to dodge it quite nicely and the rocket needs more than a turn to fly over the battlefield. And red starts in this big open area so it is okay. But just my two cents

Du3lingDragon
27-06-2011, 06:03 PM
You are right, its only a minor complaint that struck me as i was loading up the level, i just like to have an excuse to fall back on if i lose :)

vfig
27-06-2011, 07:50 PM
vfig has challenged wererogue in match 84185

aravar
27-06-2011, 08:14 PM
Aravar has taken up Du3lingdragon's challenge, be nice to him, he isn't very good at this game yet and even the game was backing Du3lingdragon...

EDIT: Just to prove how useless I am at this game, I spent must entire first turn planning moves for the wrong team. At least I put something in for the others. The one reassuring thing is that the red guys pretty much followed my orders even if they weren't supposed to.

Du3lingDragon
27-06-2011, 09:16 PM
NO MERCY. but at any rate the ones who dont know the rules are the ones to watch out for. This is true in almost every aspect of life. They act unexpectedly whereas "professionals" usually follow a set of guidelines which makes them predictable if hard to beat.

WombatDeath
27-06-2011, 09:34 PM
WombatDeath has challenged Baboonanza in match 84375.

Rond
27-06-2011, 09:39 PM
Rond has challenged Crakker in match 84407

WombatDeath
28-06-2011, 01:06 AM
WombatDeath has challenged Baboonanza in match 84375.
WombatDeath wins, somehow.

baboonanza
28-06-2011, 01:15 AM
WombatDeath wins, somehow.
That was a bit of a crazy game but you played very well :)

WombatDeath
28-06-2011, 01:21 AM
Thank you, and you! Though I was very lucky at the end there; I didn't see any way that you could get a shot off and your weaving run scared the hell out of me for a moment...

Inverselaw
28-06-2011, 04:25 AM
Less then 24hours remain to the first round. If you are a round 0 player and you haven't received your challenge, expect a summary judgment in your favour at end of round. If you are a challenger for Round 0 and haven't sent your challenge yet expect a summary judgment against you at end of round.

Round 1 players who haven't sent their challenges yet should get ready, if you already know your opponent take the oppurtunity to start a bit early.

Round 1 losers, dont forget about the lower bracket, you can still win the tournament if you play well.

MasterBoo
28-06-2011, 07:28 AM
Can me and WombatDeath start our Round II match? :P

cwoac
28-06-2011, 11:34 AM
I think I am going to have to formally concede. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I will probably not have access to the internets for the next fortnight, so even if I can get my round one done tonight/tomorrow, I won't be back until round 3. :(

Inverselaw
28-06-2011, 03:29 PM
Well Cwoac, we will see what happens, thers one week for round 1, if you get challenged then you will lose and get moved to lower bracket for round 2, if you get challenged there you will be eliminated before you get back.

However if your challenger is equally awol you might still be on the roll by the time you are back, It is the challengers obligation to send out the challenge even if he believes or even knows that his opponent isint there. We will see what happens.

Also for people who already know their round 2 opponent, sure go on ahead.

McDan
28-06-2011, 05:32 PM
Sticky llama defeated McDan, in a spectacular acheivment of failing.

MasterBoo
28-06-2011, 06:31 PM
Indigon has challenged WombatDeath in match 85450.
(which is a round II match).

Good luck Wombat!

Du3lingDragon
28-06-2011, 06:44 PM
Du3lingDragon has defeated Aravar in round 1 game 83888. well played aravar

CedarMadness
28-06-2011, 09:33 PM
CedarMadness has challenged Sabin in match 85746

ColOfNature
28-06-2011, 09:52 PM
I just thought I'd mention that if anyone wants to see the progress of all the games in the tourney, I've been favourite-ing them as they're announced. Just search for me and then click "favourites". It's sorted with the most recent at the top. If you're playing a match and it's not on the list please PM me so I can add it. Feel free to ignore my pitiful stats.

psyk
28-06-2011, 10:30 PM
DandC has beat bonuswavepilot in round one match 76121.

Vexing Vision
28-06-2011, 10:40 PM
Okay, so StickyLlama gets to challenge me (because it's an odd-round number) and I don't have to figure out just yet how to use the custom maps?

Yay!

Go ahead and challenge me, we'll play the game on and off this week because my worklife is currently a 14hours a day living hell. So I'd like to start shooting things.

/Edit: Oh... wait, I get it, maybe... the Challenger is determined by alphabetical order?

Argh. Brains!

psyk
28-06-2011, 10:43 PM
Assuming you've saved all the maps in the Frozen Synapse\psychoff\data\userlevels\ directory:

Multiplayer > Create a game > Advanced setup > Load level

Here you go

Inverselaw
28-06-2011, 11:29 PM
V is after S so ya you challenge him :p

its opposite order for even matches like people like you wont have to challenge every round.

Jugglenaut
28-06-2011, 11:51 PM
Jugglenaut challenges Inverselaw (what I'm playing the creator of the tourney OMG ;) ) in Match 86028.

Inverselaw
29-06-2011, 01:14 AM
Ok End of Round 0!

Jdesler failed to respond to Imirk's challenge and is eliminated. Imirk Wins.

Coccyx failed to challenge randomnine and is eliminated. randomnine Wins.

ConorWalker failed to challenge elmurph and is eliminated. elmurph Wins.

Haml3t failed to challenge Riseandshock and is eliminated. RiseandShock Wins.

CedarMadness failed to challenge Sabin and is eliminated. Sabin Wins.

Krans failed to challenge RiadSala and is eliminated. RiadSala Wins.

If there is anything wrong about this youd better tell me ASAP.

Round 1 begins in 24Hours.

Have a nice day.

Du3lingDragon
29-06-2011, 02:32 AM
OUCH that many no shows?

imirk
29-06-2011, 02:49 AM
imirk has challenged Ghost_Bear in match 86150

CedarMadness
29-06-2011, 03:56 AM
Only reason I didn't show is because I checked the other thread and thought matches didn't start until tomorrow. Then I went on vacation and was away from the internet, so I didn't get my PM from Sabin wondering when I was going to challenge. Still, It's my fault and I should have checked the forum before I left to make sure of when the tourney started.

Toeofdoom
29-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Toeofdoom has challenged Kelron in match 86266

bonuswavepilot
29-06-2011, 09:00 AM
DandC has beat bonuswavepilot in round one match 76121.
And nicely done it was too... GG mate. :)=
That was some damn fast shootin' with the shotgun dude at the end there, though I think given that this was my second multiplayer game ever, I did alright to hold my own until then...

EndelNurk
29-06-2011, 12:16 PM
EndelNurk has challenged antilope in Round 1 Match 86439

vfig
29-06-2011, 01:06 PM
vfig drew with wererogue in round one match 84185

vfig also stupidly blew up his own machine gunner. :(

So, what happens after a draw?

Inverselaw
29-06-2011, 01:48 PM
Immediate rematch seems like the most sensible solution. Ultimately if a winner cant be found its random advancement for one of them.

Sorry Cedarmadness, The lesson from all of this is that organised dates like this are really not changeable. I had asked in the thread if anyone had a problem with moving the date up, but some people who have a problem with it would have a problem that prevents them from arguing in the thread in the first place.

desvergeh
29-06-2011, 02:03 PM
Desvergeh has challenged Budgieishere in match 86412.

Round 1 match, Dark Extermination on map Extermination 3.

Good luck Budgie, doubt you will need it against me ;)

Desvergeh.

vfig
29-06-2011, 07:11 PM
Due to the previous draw: vfig has challenged wererogue to a rematch in match 86922.

Simian9
29-06-2011, 09:14 PM
Zyrden vs Simian9 - Round 1

Simian9 had challenged Zyrden in match 87090, Dark Extermination, map Extermination 3

Good luck!

El_Murph
29-06-2011, 09:18 PM
elmurph has challenged ColOfNature in match 87119

The Innocent
29-06-2011, 09:54 PM
TheInnocent has challenged Kehno in match 87180.

Inverselaw
29-06-2011, 10:27 PM
Inverselaw has defeated Jugglenaut in Match 86028

good game and good luck with the next one.

ColOfNature
29-06-2011, 10:38 PM
ColOfNature has defeated elmurph in match 87119. That last guy just didn't want to go!

Wolfenswan
29-06-2011, 10:44 PM
antilope has defeated EndelNurk in Round 1 Match 86439

gg

Vexing Vision
30-06-2011, 12:17 AM
VexingVision has most likely managed to challenge StickyLlama to a game of hopefully Dark Extermination with the correct map (probably) in game 87373.

Inverselaw
30-06-2011, 01:15 AM
Round 1 has started, good luck everyone!

rantOclock
30-06-2011, 08:25 AM
I lost against wererogue in the equalisation round and I'm confused as to who I'm supposed to be playing against now.

It was match 12 and my username is Enoch.

Any help on this would be much appreciated.

Rond
30-06-2011, 12:03 PM
Rond has vanquished Crakker in match 84407, while staring at an incoming rocket.

Zyrden
30-06-2011, 12:25 PM
Zyrden has challenged Simian9 in match 87784

Simian already challenged me, but the spreadsheet says I'm the challenger.

Inverselaw
30-06-2011, 01:24 PM
Equalisation round is single elimination, sorry.

wererogue
30-06-2011, 02:33 PM
:( Sorry Enoch / rantOclock.

wererogue has defeated vfig in match 86922

Simian9
30-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Zyrden has challenged Simian9 in match 87784

Simian already challenged me, but the spreadsheet says I'm the challenger.


Apologies, obviously read the spreadsheet wrong. Agreed 87784 is the real match. Happy to continue play other match as well :)

Protagoras
01-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Protagoras has challenged ChainsawHands in match 89580.

budgieishere
02-07-2011, 03:03 AM
Desvergeh has defeated budgieishere in match 86412.

Well played, mate. I lost three units in turn 4 (I blew up my own shotgunner .. doh) and it was just a matter of time before you cleaned up my rocketeer. Thought I had a good position early on!

Lower bracket for me then. :)

Toeofdoom
02-07-2011, 06:54 AM
Game 86266 is going a little slowly, I've been a bit busy the past few days... we've completed 2 turns.

So in turn one, as I think Kelron knows, all my units went towards the top right (I started in the top left). His units spread out a bit more, with his shotgunner heading for the upper right, one MG taking cover in the centre and the remaining rocket & MG staying around the spawn area. Mostly uneventful.

In turn 2, Kelron's MG in the middle took a couple of shots at my SG and rocket... which didn't quite leave him enough time to escape an incoming rocket. Other than that, units moved around a bit, with Kelron's SG probably in the top right corner by now, and a rocket still in flight to take out any of my units in the area. I guess we'll see if it works in turn 3.

Kehno
02-07-2011, 07:24 AM
Kehno has defeated TheInnocent in match 87180.

desvergeh
02-07-2011, 08:37 AM
Desvergeh has defeated Budgieishere in match 86412.

Vexing Vision
02-07-2011, 11:52 AM
VexingVision just defeated StickyLlama in game 87373. It was a very close match that I was halfway convinced I'd lose after the first turn, but won by meticulous micromanagement and a lucky last round in turn 6.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1EI3u7PB00

randomnine
02-07-2011, 01:16 PM
randomnine has challenged Margenal in match 91160

Sunjumper
02-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Because I am stupid I had to rechallenge AlexV,
the correct match up is as fllows:

Sunjumper has challenged AlexV in match 91605

Sunjumper
02-07-2011, 06:40 PM
AlexV has defeated Sunjumper in match 91605

Malawi Frontier Guard
02-07-2011, 07:06 PM
MalawiFG has challenged circle2 in match 91702

Faxmachinen
03-07-2011, 12:54 AM
Faxmachinen has challenged BaronWR in match 92262.

Ghost Bear
03-07-2011, 01:01 AM
Ghost_Bear has defeated Imirk in match 86150


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SD4OEfsPiU

4 - 0 :-)

CMaster
03-07-2011, 03:46 PM
Just for the record - I am here and checking my FS account, but have not received my round 1 challenge yet. Frutz, are you still taking part?

CWalker
03-07-2011, 08:19 PM
Also for the record, I'm on holiday and unable to access the game until this Saturday. If that's too late or whatever, feel free to punt me to the section reserved for silly people.



Also, my ID is ConorWalker.

RiseandShock
03-07-2011, 10:27 PM
RiseandShock has challenged cimethink in match 93831, sorry for the delay and initial wrong set-up!

Toeofdoom
04-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Toeofdoom has defeated Kelron in match 86266 - blue chunks went everywhere :)

Malawi Frontier Guard
04-07-2011, 05:09 PM
circle2 has defeated MalawiFG in match 91702

randomnine
04-07-2011, 05:18 PM
randomnine has defeated Margenal in match 91160

Video currently encoding, will add to post later. Margenal lost an MG out of cover twelve seconds in, killed my shotgun with a rocket at the expense of their other MG, and finally lost their shotgun in an aggressive attempt to equalise.

Antares
04-07-2011, 05:48 PM
MaceWindow has defeated Fredie007 in game 79496

An excellent showing by Fredie007, who proved himself to be as meticulous and patient as I am if not moreso (and a master of rocket-dodge-fu). Both the loss of his first MG and his failed shotgun poke at my rocket dude came down to a pixel. Thanks for the match.

Rond
04-07-2011, 05:52 PM
randomnine has defeated Margenal in match 91160
You can challenge me to a round 2 match, if you wish to do it right now.

ColOfNature
04-07-2011, 06:52 PM
Video currently encoding, will add to post later.

Don't forget: all the matches from the tournament, and a few extras, are available at the Rock, Paper, Synapse YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse).

Margenal
04-07-2011, 10:22 PM
You can challenge me to a round 2 match, if you wish to do it right now.

random or me?

Fumarole
05-07-2011, 03:26 AM
RiseandShock has challenged cimethink in match 93831, sorry for the delay and initial wrong set-up!I've played up to turn 6, and I may not be able to play until 7:00 pm Pacific Time tomorrow (3:00 am Wednesday UK time) which would be well after the posted end time in the Steam group (if it does indeed end tomorrow). If you take your turn before then I'll see if I can sneak in a turn while at work.

Inverselaw
05-07-2011, 04:23 AM
Fumarole, Im sure I can find it in my heart to wait till wednesday at midnight for the end of the match. The 24 hour is neccesary really for matches that I have to resolve myself because the challenger never challenged or the responder never responded. When victories are posted on the thread here it takes me like 20 sec a player to handle it.

You still have to finish before the start of round 2 however because if you don't then waiting would take time from the next match and that isint fair.

Margenal, according to the sheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AobZWg0T_pMfdENDV2JKSTZsUFVQTjl1dTFWNUR4V mc&hl=en_US&authkey=CMXm2YgP)you were defeated and your next match is against Crakker (hes suppose to chalenge you). Since this is double elimination you can still win the tournament as long as you no longer lose any matches.

CWalker, no round for silly people, depending on whether or not you are challenger you might lose the match by default and thus move to the lower bracket, otherwise thats that. Everyone must send their challenges even when they "know" that their opponent is not going to respond. also it helps when you give your FS ID when talking about this sort of thing the registration thread is 13 pages long.

And thats about that. less then 24 hours remain to this round. Wednesday will be the start of round 2 which also means the start of the lower bracket, so people who lost a match in round 1 can still win the tourney.

Faxmachinen
05-07-2011, 06:17 AM
Faxmachinen has defeated BaronWR in match 92262.

Protagoras
05-07-2011, 06:36 AM
Protagoras has defeated ChainsawHands in game 89580. The game lasted 4 turns, and ended 4-0.


Thanks for the game, it was fun.

Rond
05-07-2011, 08:12 AM
random or me?

You get to play in a lower branch match against Crakker.

Margenal
05-07-2011, 01:18 PM
Thanks i'm reading the sheet, okay i'm waiting for the match to come....

ColOfNature
05-07-2011, 02:01 PM
Just so I'm sure: how many turns should I set when setting up a Secure match?

Inverselaw
05-07-2011, 04:10 PM
the turn time is on the first page post, in the case of secure its 6 turns.

ColOfNature
05-07-2011, 04:58 PM
Oh. Ah. I didn't notice that. Thanks!

Cooper
05-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Still no challenge from Karthink...

I sent a PM, and like I said in the other thread last week, I can't find him on UK1 to set-up the game myself.

Protagoras
05-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Since both Jhoosier and Pnikosis haven't started a game yet, haven't logged in since may (Jhoosier) / don't exist on UK1 (Pnikosis), and are unlikely to do so by the start of round 2, can I assume that I get a default win and move on to round 3? :P

Zyrden
05-07-2011, 07:54 PM
Zyrden has defeated Simian9 in match 87784.

I got a lucky rocket, but the last guy was a pain XD
Well played.

RiseandShock
05-07-2011, 09:00 PM
RiseandShock drew against cimethink in match 93831, will rematch I think.

Simian9
05-07-2011, 09:28 PM
Zyrden has defeated Simian9 in match 87784.

I got a lucky rocket, but the last guy was a pain XD
Well played.

And you! 3 vs 1 after 2 rounds, and it wasn't looking so good... but I was surprised my single guy lasted so long. Must remember not to hide behind cover when rockets are about...

Peter Radiator Full Pig
06-07-2011, 12:22 AM
Crakker challanged Margenal in match 103614
Crakker defeated Margenal in match 103614

Fumarole
06-07-2011, 12:49 AM
RiseandShock drew against cimethink in match 93831, will rematch I think.

Here's the replay of the fight. This is one of the most intense fights I've been in. I must have spent over an hour doing rounds 6 and 7 alone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1VH_UV3_U

Props to RiseandShock, you're good. Hopefully we can complete the rematch before end of Wednesday.

RiseandShock
06-07-2011, 01:27 AM
RiseandShock challenged cimethink in match 102867 for the rematch (posted a bit late)
Yeah very intense fight, hoping the rematch will be just as good!

RiseandShock lost to cimethink in match 102867

Fumarole
06-07-2011, 02:18 AM
Those were some good games mate. Thanks again for staying up late to play and good luck in the rest of the tourney.

Inverselaw
06-07-2011, 02:52 AM
RiseandShock is definitely the player to keep an eye on in the lower bracket.

Round 1 is OVER!!

Now for some by fiat decisions.

Web_cole failed to Challenge Kuran but he did talk about that. Kuran contact me immediatly, failing that Web_cole is victorious.

Karthink failed to Challenge Cooper. Cooper wins by default and Karthink moves to lower bracket.

Jarvisrodrig failed to Challenge Anataru. Anataru wins by default and Jarvisrodrig moves to lower bracket.

Unmute failed to challenge Lambchops. Lambchops wins by default and UnMute moves to lower bracket.

Saivyer failed to challenge Sabin. Sabin wins by default and Saivyer moves to lower bracket.

Riadsala failed to challenge Cwoac. Cwoac wins by default and Riadsala moves to lower bracket.

Matzerath failed to challenge Launch. Launch wins by default and Matzerath moves to lower bracket.

Pnikosis failed to challenge Jhoosier. Jhoosier wins by default and Pnikosis moves to lower bracket.

Frutz failed to challenge CMaster. CMaster wins by default and Frutz moves to lower bracket.

Anyone who has issues with this please PM me.

Otherwise Ill see all of you for the start of round 2 tommorow.

Have a nice day.

ColOfNature
06-07-2011, 03:26 AM
I was curious so I crunched the numbers quickly and it turns out that in round 1 the challenger won 14 matches, while the challengee (I don't think that's a word, but you know what I mean) won 18. More stats tomorrow, like ratio of matches won by the favourite, average number of units surviving, anything else I can think of.

MasterBoo
06-07-2011, 06:14 AM
Me and WombatDeath started our match, and I failed horribly by losing one of my scouting machine-guns in the first turn (I was sure I turned off engage on sight, he wasn't meant to stay at the doorway exposed like this :P). I am the defender btw. Good luck!

AlexV
06-07-2011, 10:45 AM
AlexV has challenged MaceWindow in match 105321

Wolfenswan
06-07-2011, 02:18 PM
antilope has challenged Zyrden in match 106148, Round 2

Note:
may take a while as my exams are coming. should be done till next wednesday though.

aravar
06-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Aravar has challenged RiseandShock in match 106911

At least he thinks he has...

Web Cole
06-07-2011, 05:09 PM
Web_cole failed to Challenge Kuran but he did talk about that. Kuran contact me immediatly, failing that Web_cole is victorious

Kuran wasn't available to be challenged, as he was not on server UK1.

ColOfNature
06-07-2011, 05:30 PM
ColOfNature has challenged Faxmachinen to match 107018. (He also issued a challenge for match 107012, but you can ignore that because derp.)

Vexing Vision
06-07-2011, 11:02 PM
VexingVision has Challenged Web_cole to Dark Secure - 6 turns - in the beautifully numbered match 108800 which is going on my favourite list just because of the number.

WombatDeath
06-07-2011, 11:05 PM
Me and WombatDeath started our match, and I failed horribly by losing one of my scouting machine-guns in the first turn (I was sure I turned off engage on sight, he wasn't meant to stay at the doorway exposed like this :P). I am the defender btw. Good luck!
Well played to MasterBoo, who has won!

I'm not sure why I lost, as I got a man into the red zone, but I expect that I'm missing something significant about this game type. Also, see if any of you watching the playback can spot the point at which I noticed that there are only six turns in a Secure game, rather than sixteen :D

Cooper
06-07-2011, 11:22 PM
Cooper has challenged Wallnuss in match 108899

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm away until Monday morning. Will play the game Monday / Tuesday.

Inverselaw
07-07-2011, 12:18 AM
Wombat, you only got to the spawn area. The target area was in the top corner, a pretty devious spot honestly.

It kinda shows that you really need to bid the largest area you think you can defend otherwise you might end up having to attack a tiny hidden spot.

WombatDeath
07-07-2011, 12:41 AM
Oh, I see. My own stupid fault! I shall try to prepare myself better for the lower bracket.

Inverselaw
07-07-2011, 01:29 AM
Round 2 has started!!

This is true for both upper bracket and lower bracket folks. The round will last 6 days, results due tuesday next week.

Good luck everyone

Inverselaw
07-07-2011, 01:34 AM
Inverselaw has challenged Lambchops in match 109318

Good luck. I know ill need it :p

imirk
07-07-2011, 02:00 AM
imirk has challenged vfig in match 109355

Gulp! I appear to be in over my head.

Fumarole
07-07-2011, 02:03 AM
Oh, I see. My own stupid fault! I shall try to prepare myself better for the lower bracket.

Actually that was part of the capture zone - the defender must spawn in some part of this zone. The reason you didn't get the victory is that you must have a unit in that zone for three seconds. I watched the replay closely and you missed it by about .28 seconds. You can tell if a unit/waypoint is in a zone by the tips of the four arrows under it. If two tips are in the zone that unit/waypoint is in it. Otherwise it doesn't count.

This is also important to remember for Charge and Disputed modes.

Jugglenaut
07-07-2011, 04:14 AM
Jugglenaut challenges UnMute in game 109701

Toeofdoom
07-07-2011, 04:32 AM
I was curious so I crunched the numbers quickly and it turns out that in round 1 the challenger won 14 matches, while the challengee (I don't think that's a word, but you know what I mean) won 18. More stats tomorrow, like ratio of matches won by the favourite, average number of units surviving, anything else I can think of. That agrees perfectly with my assesment of that map ("Might be a mild advantage to red") But I hardly think it's fair to include unplayed games in that, so maybe green had the advantage? Looking at it in the editor, the challenger was green.

Anyway I don't seem to have recieved my round 2 challenge yet - I'm not precisely looking forward to playing against circle2 (How much do you play!?) but I'd like to give it a shot.

MasterBoo
07-07-2011, 08:04 AM
Well played to MasterBoo, who has won!

I'm not sure why I lost, as I got a man into the red zone, but I expect that I'm missing something significant about this game type. Also, see if any of you watching the playback can spot the point at which I noticed that there are only six turns in a Secure game, rather than sixteen :D

Oh that was a close one! You entered the green area in 27.60. 0.6 seconds earlier and you'd have won.

I can't say I played good myself though. Lost my first man due to a stupid error and just camped without moving much the whole match. I expected you to come from exactly where you came from in that last turn, but didn't expect 2 men :P

Anyway for the protocol, Indigon defeated WombatDeath in match 85450.

Inverselaw
07-07-2011, 02:10 PM
Did you take into account the fact that the challengee wins automaticaly if the challenger is absent even if he himself is absent.

StickyLlama
07-07-2011, 02:20 PM
Hi Kuran - We are supposed to have a match in the Lower Branch - You are supposed to set the game up this time - PM me if you want me to do it or else see you on the battlefield :-)

ColOfNature
07-07-2011, 02:21 PM
No but I will do, I just haven't got round to it yet.

CMaster
07-07-2011, 03:12 PM
CMaster has challenged Kehno in game 111224

bonuswavepilot
07-07-2011, 05:06 PM
Bonuswavepilot has challenged Matzerath in match 111579. (Round 2 - lower bracket match one)

psyk
07-07-2011, 06:08 PM
DandC has challenged Launch in match 111851 (Round 2)

Antares
07-07-2011, 06:15 PM
MaceWindow has defeated AlexV in game 105321

ColOfNature
07-07-2011, 07:03 PM
ColOfNature has defeated Faxmachinen in match 107018.

ColOfNature
07-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Stats for the Stat God! Facts for the Fact Throne!!

Challenger won 13
(+1 by default)
Challengee won 10
(+8 by default)

Favourite won 16
Favourite lost 6
Evens 1
Defaults 9

Average survivors 2.65 (net)


So, no real advantage obvious for the starting position. Higher ranked players are more likely to win (I know!), and if you saved 3 more of your blokes then the other fella you beat the odds.

EndelNurk
07-07-2011, 10:58 PM
EndelNurk has challenged Simian in game 113221.

wallnuss
07-07-2011, 11:37 PM
Cooper has challenged Wallnuss in match 108899

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm away until Monday morning. Will play the game Monday / Tuesday.

Didn't we played some other games before ? And didn't I lost horrible ? Hm this is going to be hard ;-). So let's get this game started. I won the bid after a rather bold move from me, but I have the sniper advantage so we will see how this is going to work out.

CMaster
08-07-2011, 12:32 AM
CMaster has defeated Kehno in game 111224
Was pretty short and unexciting really, although had promise of errupting into lots of shooting if it had gone on longer.

Kehno
08-07-2011, 06:59 AM
Oh my, that was unexpected and anticlimactic! :[
It's to the bracket for silly people for me, then.

Edit: Ooo, looks like we'll meet again, Mr. TheInnocent.

Fredie007
08-07-2011, 08:46 AM
Fredie007 has challenged Sunjumper in match 99786. Just to make sure I set everything up correctly: In round 2 Secure is one player supposed to have a shotty while the other has a sniper?

Antares
08-07-2011, 09:16 AM
Fredie007 has challenged Sunjumper in match 99786. Just to make sure I set everything up correctly: In round 2 Secure is one player supposed to have a shotty while the other has a sniper?

That's correct. The challenger is the one with the shotgun.

Vexing Vision
08-07-2011, 09:45 AM
I was wondering about this as well, but it makes for an interesting asymmetry in bidding for areas. I'm pretty sure that I, as challenger, could have defended the area that Web Cole bid on better with my troops, but we'll see in three turns, won't we? :D

(I'm pretty sure I'll now find all of my units dead.)

CMaster
08-07-2011, 10:09 AM
Oh my, that was unexpected and anticlimactic! :[
It's to the bracket for silly people for me, then.

Edit: Ooo, looks like we'll meet again, Mr. TheInnocent.

What happened there is exactly why I didn't bid for any blocks that were at all outside the building.

desvergeh
08-07-2011, 01:19 PM
Desvergeh is awaiting a challenge from Anataru.

Anataru you out there?

Inverselaw
08-07-2011, 01:51 PM
When you do randomly generated maps of some game types the computer really insists on asymetric forces, in some of the maps i ended up regigering the forces to make them more matched (im pretty sure i made sure that there are no maps where one player has a rocket and the other dosent.)

randomnine
08-07-2011, 08:28 PM
randomnine has challenged Rond in game 116351

circle
08-07-2011, 10:48 PM
Anyway I don't seem to have recieved my round 2 challenge yet - I'm not precisely looking forward to playing against circle2 (How much do you play!?) but I'd like to give it a shot.

Here we go.

circle2 has challenged Toeofdoom in match 116968*
*edit changed match number, created wrong mode :(

How much do I play? Guessing I've played a little over twice as many games as you, judging by the numbers. ;)

I'm hurt that you are not looking forward to playing me. The numbers mean nothing. I've never played you, and I look forward to a new challenge.

I'm happy to be seeing the overall # of players climbing back up this week.

circle
08-07-2011, 11:49 PM
I take that back Toeofdoom. I am hurt this person would not play with me. 117059 on uk1...

I thought when the player said they would not even try, it would just mean a game that idles for two weeks... But this! For shame!

Wolfenswan
08-07-2011, 11:52 PM
antilope has beaten Zyrden in match 106148, Round 2

Edit:
everybody should watch circle 2 vs. fw190a81 for the giggles

Edit2:
nevermind, fw190a81 seems to be an account created for trolls and/or to up other's score; he instant-loses lots of matches

Fumarole
09-07-2011, 02:09 AM
cimethink has challenged Du3lingdragon in match 117547.

Kindly ignore the first challenge, I accidentally created it as an extermination.

Wolfenswan
09-07-2011, 02:14 AM
There's a tournament starting over at devgaming.net (http://devgaming.net/tournaments.php?do=view&id=12) if you're in for more. Prize are 15€ worth of Steam games.

Inverselaw
09-07-2011, 02:41 AM
oh lol, doing the best of 3 matches simultaneously, why didn't I think of that :p

Rond
09-07-2011, 02:24 PM
randomnine has defeated Rond in game 116351

randomnine
09-07-2011, 02:29 PM
randomnine has defeated Rond in match 116351


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cO9diRsrE

Rond won the bidding, taking the entire right hand open side of the map as their territory. I started all three units in the southeast building, checked the southeast corner and moved north, spotting enemy units.

All three of my units dashed from cover in round 3, entering the defender's territory just before 12.00. The defending units were simply unable to take out all three of mine at that range before the end of the round.

Rond
09-07-2011, 02:34 PM
Good game. Serves me for bidding on such an open area.

randomnine
09-07-2011, 02:45 PM
It happens :D I think Secure can be really hard to hold, honestly.

btw I'm sorry about the extra game, I forgot to go into advanced settings the first time I made it! Do you know if it'll disappear if we ignore it?

Rond
09-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Rond has challenged Crakker in match 119044 (lower branch round 3).
We meet again.

imirk
09-07-2011, 03:26 PM
imirk has defeated vfig in match 109355

But I don't know how to upload it to youtube.

Good game vfig, the super shotgunner comes through again though.

ColOfNature
09-07-2011, 06:15 PM
But I don't know how to upload it to youtube.

Not a problem, it's on the RPSyn channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/RockPaperSynapse).

Peter Radiator Full Pig
09-07-2011, 06:47 PM
Crakker has beaten Rond in match 119044.

Du3lingDragon
10-07-2011, 01:51 AM
Du3lingdragon has bested cimethink in match 117547. It came down to the wire, a great game. also i would appreciate anyone taking a look at the replay, in round 4 he managed to straight up kill my sniper who was crouched and still from a good distance with an assault rifle. It looks like a weird bug to me and id like to know if it should be reported.

Wolfenswan
10-07-2011, 02:14 AM
also i would appreciate anyone taking a look at the replay, in round 4 he managed to straight up kill my sniper who was crouched and still from a good distance with an assault rifle. It looks like a weird bug to me and id like to know if it should be reported.

crouching only affects if you can be seen behind obstacles or not. it has no other effect in firefights. my best guess is that he was aiming and/or standing still and/or behind cover while your sniper was moving.

ColOfNature
10-07-2011, 02:36 AM
Snipers have lower precedence (i.e. take slightly longer to line up a shot) than MGs. All other things (first sight, cover, movement, range) being equal, SG > MG > Sniper. An extreme close range MG can get off a kill shot before a SG (I think), while at extreme long range the MG is slower than a Sniper. The MG's time-to-kill-shot is indicated by the number off bullets it fires - they don't actually mean anything other than to indicate that the MG is firing at range and so takes longer to draw a bead on the target.

In this case you can see your Sniper line up, but as the MG had stopped moving as soon as it became visible to/caught sight of your sniper (as it was on engage-on-sight), and it was at medium range, it won.

MasterBoo
10-07-2011, 10:34 AM
God I hope toeofdoom plays against circle2 and wins. I saw some of circle2's matches and they are intimidating :P

CMaster
10-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Du3lingdragon has bested cimethink in match 117547. It came down to the wire, a great game. also i would appreciate anyone taking a look at the replay, in round 4 he managed to straight up kill my sniper who was crouched and still from a good distance with an assault rifle. It looks like a weird bug to me and id like to know if it should be reported.

The MG had cover + Aim while the Sniper only had aim.
I'm more intrigued as to why he only had two units while you had three (and everyone else had three on this round). I'm guessing he just didn't place them all?

CMaster
10-07-2011, 12:55 PM
Anyone else think that the Secure round has produced a lot of very short and disappointing matches, as well as matches where one player appears to completely outmanoeuvre the other and still lose?

Wolfenswan
10-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Anyone else think that the Secure round has produced a lot of very short and disappointing matches, as well as matches where one player appears to completely outmanoeuvre the other and still lose?

i think secure profits from bigger amount of rounds - only 6 rounds forces the attacker to rush and allows the defender to mole up. the only viable for the attacker is to mob up his units and send them in as one blob, hoping that at least one will live long enough to trigger victory,


I'm more intrigued as to why he only had two units while you had three (and everyone else had three on this round). I'm guessing he just didn't place them all?

didn't he lose one in the very beginning? i think he sent two MG round the corner and only one survived.

Toeofdoom
10-07-2011, 01:37 PM
God I hope toeofdoom plays against circle2 and wins. I saw some of circle2's matches and they are intimidating :P
Well we've started the match... circle 2 bidded for a tiny rectangle in the bottom left so now he has to take my building (the top left one). Even with the sniper, taking anything remotely like rond did seemed like a bad idea, as distractions would rip it apart.

In general I don't like secure a whole lot - maybe devgaming has it right, setting secure as the "light" game type? With one player largely staying still, scouting is problematic. (charge is a lot clearer in that sense)

EndelNurk
10-07-2011, 01:46 PM
No response yet from Simian. I can't find him in the RPSynapse Steam group. Has anyone seen him around?

MasterBoo
10-07-2011, 02:19 PM
I tend to agree with the criticism towards Secure but I guess it's too late now. Although there are good ways to counter a camping player, it still gives the camper a huge advantage.

ColOfNature
10-07-2011, 02:21 PM
No response yet from Simian. I can't find him in the RPSynapse Steam group. Has anyone seen him around?

It should be Simian9, the spreadsheet is missing the number.


I tend to agree with the criticism towards Secure but I guess it's too late now. Although there are good ways to counter a camping player, it still gives the camper a huge advantage.

The Common Strategies section of the wiki's page on Secure (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Secure) has a good explanation of how to overcome the most common tactic.

Toeofdoom
10-07-2011, 02:57 PM
I tend to agree with the criticism towards Secure but I guess it's too late now. Although there are good ways to counter a camping player, it still gives the camper a huge advantage.
Actually, I was complaining about the opposite - proper use of distractions makes camping almost useless, but the defender usually can't move very much without severely weakening their defense. Of course, that's only once players get to the level where distractions are possible. Essentially, if you want to keep watch without risking losing units, you have to give up most of your defensive advantages. The attacker can scout... the defender is less able to. Anyway, with light secure the defender would be able to move to where the enemy actually is.

circle
10-07-2011, 03:20 PM
circle 2 bidded for a tiny rectangle in the bottom left so now he has to take my building (the top left one).

maybe devgaming has it right

I've run into a few others who use the tiny start tactic to ensure they are the attacker. In one we chose the same start point and it forced me to defend it, I don't remember that going well as it was probably in the open. In a few others I got lucky and found the smaller start point. ;)

I don't mind camping in extermination, but if there is an objective, I usually prefer to attack.

I played in a devgaming tourney and lost all 3 in my second match up. That just seems more crushing than losing one match against someone.

CMaster
10-07-2011, 03:26 PM
Yeah, camping doesn't seem to be that big an issue really in the Round 2 games I've watched. What I see is over and over again victories in the third turn (almost every time) for the attacker in most cases, sometimes with just a single unit surviving from a 3-unit blob-rush. (There are a few 3-turn victories for the defender as well. None are very exciting.

Du3lingDragon
10-07-2011, 04:36 PM
Thank you for the explanation, for some reason i just assumed that crouching improved accuracy like every other game with shooty boomsticks ever. Bad move on my part, i just wanted to check it wasn't something weird. I dont really mind secure much except with uneven teams.

Simian9
10-07-2011, 05:13 PM
No response yet from Simian. I can't find him in the RPSynapse Steam group. Has anyone seen him around?

Hi EndelNurk, I'm here! Yes, the ID is Simian9, both here, on Steam (although with Clan) and I've joined the RPS steam group. Anyway, I've been waiting for you to challenge me... if I'm reading the rules and the * right...

EndelNurk
10-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Ah I had challenged Simian as that was the name on the spreadsheet. Will send again

EndelNurk has challenged Simian9 in game 122885.

Vexing Vision
10-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Web Cole is currently having some major internet and computer issues, but we should be able to complete our match before the deadline, as it is already halfway through.

circle
10-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Toeofdoom has beaten circle2 in match 116968

Good game. Nothing I could do after it was 1 on 1.

Toeofdoom
10-07-2011, 06:15 PM
As circle mentioned... I won in match 116968 - that was a tense match, eventually going to time as my MG froze in terror in the corner. It's worth noting that CMaster's observation still holds, as the game effectively ended on turn 3 barring some weird screw up, but you can never quite be sure if you've missed something.

Edit: yeah, good game

Edit 2: Wait, on turn 4, my MG saw yours through the window... hmmm. Not sure who would've won that anyway but I probably should've hugged the corner closer

baboonanza
10-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Unfortunately I'm unexpectedly going away for over a week shortly so I'm not going to be able to continue in the tournament. Apologies to Jolima and thanks to the Inverslaw for organising it. If you do another I'm definitely in.

Simian9
10-07-2011, 09:25 PM
Simian9 beat EndelNurk in match 122885. Short, but sweet match.

Meeting Zyrden again in the next round...

Jugglenaut
11-07-2011, 06:13 AM
Haven't heard from UnMute at all, I'm wondering if I got the challenge right. Anyone who's done a better job finding people know of this guy, if I was right?

RiseandShock
11-07-2011, 09:18 AM
Aravar has challenged RiseandShock in match 106911

At least he thinks he has...

RiseandShock has defeated Aravar in match 106911
pretty close, thought I was going to get a fancy kill with my sniper but he got a shotgun to the face instead =(

aravar
11-07-2011, 09:53 AM
RiseandShock has defeated Aravar in match 106911
pretty close, thought I was going to get a fancy kill with my sniper but he got a shotgun to the face instead =(

Well I was pretty impressed with the way your first machine gunner valiantly sacrificed himself so the sniper could take a shot. It was the least the shotgunner could do to sort that sniper out.

wererogue
11-07-2011, 01:11 PM
Still waiting for a challenge from Ghost_Bear - he/she played a good match in the first round, so I was looking forward to (read: terrified for) our round 2 match - I hope it comes soon!


I tend to agree with the criticism towards Secure but I guess it's too late now. Although there are good ways to counter a camping player, it still gives the camper a huge advantage.

I guess that the bidding system can help with this once people get used to the game size that they like - if you bid a size that you think is a good game (i.e. can't defend just by camping) and the other player wants to camp, then you'll be defending.

Fumarole
11-07-2011, 03:18 PM
i think secure profits from bigger amount of rounds - only 6 rounds forces the attacker to rush and allows the defender to mole up. the only viable for the attacker is to mob up his units and send them in as one blob, hoping that at least one will live long enough to trigger victory,



didn't he lose one in the very beginning? i think he sent two MG round the corner and only one survived.

Yes, for this reason I tend to not like Secure.

I did have two gunners, I just gave them the exact same orders for Round 1, anticipating his gunner would be exactly where he was. Of course in hindsight I should have added a twist to one of their orders, but 20-20 and all that.

Web Cole
11-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Web Cole is currently having some major internet and computer issues, but we should be able to complete our match before the deadline, as it is already halfway through.

Looks like I'm mostly back on track, sorry for the continued wait Vexing. Started the ball rolling again earlier today, think we should be able to finish up by the deadline :)

Vexing Vision
11-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Awww, how many of my units did you kill? :(

I can't check for another five hours or so.

Web Cole
11-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Awww, how many of my units did you kill? :(

I can't check for another five hours or so.

I killed 2. Think I got a bit lucky.

EndelNurk
11-07-2011, 07:13 PM
And with my second abysmal performance I bomb out of the tournament. Well played to my opponents and I hope you all enjoy the rest of the games.

Vexing Vision
11-07-2011, 08:18 PM
I killed 2. Think I got a bit lucky.

Ugh. That was a majorly unsexy move. Why did you run around? You were supposed to stall and camp, damnit.

Cooper
11-07-2011, 08:29 PM
Cooper beat wallnuss in game 108899
I lost a unit immediately in the opening round. Inched too far around a corner, which meant I had no distraction possible and lost all but one avenue of attack.

Had wallnuss bid half that territory, I'd have probably lost...

In general, with regards to secure, I agree with ToeofDoom - Secure, if you know how to distract camping units, can get easy for the attacker.

Web Cole
11-07-2011, 09:03 PM
So Web_cole is victorious against VexingVision in match 108800


Ugh. That was a majorly unsexy move. Why did you run around? You were supposed to stall and camp, damnit.

Haha, I'll try and not be disappointing next time ;) Well played, gg :)

imirk
11-07-2011, 09:11 PM
Huh, looks like I'll be rematching Ghost Bear if he doesn't issue his callenge. Is that how double eliminations are supposed to happen?

Vexing Vision
11-07-2011, 11:54 PM
So, this is what happens when the other side is NOT camping.

Ugly, ugly business, but well played Web Cole! (Incidentally, I was bidding for the same area but would have played a lot more defensive, with a crouching shotgunner behind that cover.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9BX3I-LMh0

Peter Radiator Full Pig
12-07-2011, 12:54 AM
Inverselaw, I was wondering about Hostage 5. I remember you saying that you checked to make sure every match that had a rocket had one on both sides. Hostage 5 does not. The hostage takers(green has 3 MG, 1 Rocket. The hostage rescuers (Red) have 2 MG and a sniper. Is this right?

Inverselaw
12-07-2011, 02:58 AM
Ya I must have let some through. Hostage is weird because i'm pretty sure it auto generates a numbers imbalance with either 4 vs 3 or 3 vs 2. I guess I must have felt that it was ok since a number imbalance is even bigger then a quality imbalance.

Plus it should lead to an interesting dynamic where you gotta free the hostages before your opponent blasts the cover and makes it impossible for them to run.

Toeofdoom
12-07-2011, 08:07 AM
So, this is what happens when the other side is NOT camping.

Ugly, ugly business, but well played Web Cole! (Incidentally, I was bidding for the same area but would have played a lot more defensive, with a crouching shotgunner behind that cover.)
Actually, if you look at my game vs circle2 the bid was the exact same... yet if I tried that strategy on defense I would have lost horribly - the left MG would have been shotgunned down, then the sniper would be alone against circle's entire team. (I actually won due to a sniper providing a perfectly timed distraction by at least 40% dumb luck - I was sacrificing the sniper for distraction and info but didn't really know if it would work). So while moving out worked there, it won't work in all games and sometimes camping is a better option. Nicely played by Web Cole, anyway :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNceSXDNtZA

wallnuss
12-07-2011, 08:07 AM
Cooper beat wallnuss in game 108899
I lost a unit immediately in the opening round. Inched too far around a corner, which meant I had no distraction possible and lost all but one avenue of attack.

Had wallnuss bid half that territory, I'd have probably lost...

In general, with regards to secure, I agree with ToeofDoom - Secure, if you know how to distract camping units, can get easy for the attacker.

Yeah I bid way too agressive ... \me sad. I should take that as a lesson ;-)

MasterBoo
12-07-2011, 11:41 AM
I have a question about the upcoming Charge round: If I am the charger, does the zone that I need to pass includes the green line or it doesn't?

ColOfNature
12-07-2011, 11:53 AM
You have to get a unit into or past the line you bid for 3 seconds. INFO! (http://fs.error420.com/wiki/Charge)

EDIT! As CMaster rightly points out, I've missed a vital point:
...at the end of turn 6, there has to have been a unit past the line for 3 seconds. Having a unit there before hand will not win the game, in contrast to Secure where it will.

Sunjumper
12-07-2011, 12:34 PM
I am still waiting for my challenge from Fredie007. If you are there we can still get this match done tonight if you want to.

StickyLlama
12-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Kuran still has not challenged me, I tried to challenge him but did not find him on UK 1

CMaster
12-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Thats not quite true Col.
There at the end of turn 6, there has to have been a unit past the line for 3 seconds. Having a unit there before hand will not win the game, in contrast to Secure where it will.

ColOfNature
12-07-2011, 03:49 PM
Good point, CMaster. From this we can learn that: 1. I don't play Charge very often, and 2. I don't pay a lot of attention to anything I read on a wiki (this is actually a defence mechanism). EDIT!

Fredie007
12-07-2011, 04:06 PM
I am still waiting for my challenge from Fredie007. If you are there we can still get this match done tonight if you want to.

Then which Sunjumper did I challenge last week...?

edit: http://i.imgur.com/BXCly.jpg

Cooper
12-07-2011, 05:25 PM
Charge, because it -must- last until turn 6, tends to be an odd mix of extermination and 'hide and seek'.
The best tactic, for both players, is to anihilate the other asap.

I don't like it all that much...

Sunjumper
12-07-2011, 11:30 PM
Then which Sunjumper did I challenge last week...?

o_O

OK that is quite strange as my Frozen Synapse insists that there has been no new challenge...
I'll go over the match ID and see what happens. Sorry for the inconvinience.

Edit: OK found the match and started it.

psyk
13-07-2011, 01:30 AM
DandC Won by default against Launch in match 111851 (Round 2) (I think????)

Also going away and wont be back till next thursday so either knock me down to the lower bracket or wererogue if you see this before tomorrow (wednesday) is over we will have to play the match on wensday (13th) unless you want to use this info to your advantage :D


All matches are under a 24h grace period so dont chalenge these winners before the official round start tommorow.Lol, Ok if launch responds knock me out if he dosen't and a result hasn't been posted for my match by the end of wednesday knock me down to the lower bracket

Inverselaw
13-07-2011, 01:39 AM
Ok thats it for round 2, here are this weeks fiat decisions.

Anataru failed to challenge Desvergeh. Desvergeh wins

Lambchops failed to respond to Inverselaw. Inverselaw wins

cwoac failed to challenge Sabin. Sabin wins (third default win in a row for him).

Ghost_Bear failed to challenge wererogue. wererogue wins

Launch failed to respond to DandC. DandC wins

Jhoosier failed to challenge Protagoras. PRotagoras Wins.

Baron/elmurph match is stalled. Results postponned to tommorow

kanzy failed to challenge Karthink. Karthink Wins.

budgieishere failed to challenge jarvisrodrig. jarvisrodrig Wins.

Fredie/sunjumper match is ongoing, results postponed to tommorow.

UnMute failed to respond to Jugglenaut. Jugglenaut Wins.

Riadsala failed to challenge Saivyer. Saivyer Wins.

Matzerath failed to respond to bobnuswavepilot, bonuswavepilot wins.

Frutz failed to challenge TheInnocent. PTheInnocent Wins.

Kelron failed to challenge MalawiFG. MalawiFG Wins.

baboonanza failed to challenge jolima. jolima Wins.

well, thats that folks.

All matches are under a 24h grace period so dont chalenge these winners before the official round start tommorow.

If thers something wrong please contact me as soon as possible.

Inverselaw
13-07-2011, 02:38 AM
psyk, round 3 and all futur upper bracket round are 2 weeks long so you are fine

psyk
13-07-2011, 02:53 AM
psyk, round 3 and all futur upper bracket round are 2 weeks long so you are fine

Great news.

MasterBoo
13-07-2011, 09:34 AM
A bit disappointing that so many signed up and don't give a damn.

Vexing Vision
13-07-2011, 10:47 AM
To be fair, the cup rules have been rather complex. :) I think more people would have participated in a simple "just challenge the other for a best of three random dark extermination" KO tournament.

Mhmm.

Tempted to run one, if only I had time....

desvergeh
13-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Ok thats it for round 2, here are this weeks fiat decisions.

Anataru failed to challenge Desvergeh. Desvergeh loses



Ermmm what???

Why have I lost when he failed to send me the challenge? I even tried contacting him and had no response.

Peter Radiator Full Pig
13-07-2011, 12:52 PM
Dont do random, make sure teams and map are symetrical, thats what we need. This tournament is good, but I hate games like hostage, secure can be tricky to have balanced. Any aysemmetry could lead to imbalance, destroying the whole point of such a competition.

wererogue
13-07-2011, 02:12 PM
I'm up for getting this done today - I'm at home looking after my sick wife and baby, so I have time to play the turns. I think it's me to challenge?

wererogue challenged DandC in match 130642 (Round 3:Charge 3)


psyk, round 3 and all futur upper bracket round are 2 weeks long so you are fine

Didn't see this before, so if you'd rather wait until next week, no need to rush!

Inverselaw
13-07-2011, 02:52 PM
WOOPS, thats a mistake.