The Steam 2012 Summer Sale anticipation thread - Because it is Inevitable [Archive] - Page 5

trjp

14-07-2012, 11:34 PM

Y'know I think I've realised why I love Steam Sales. It's not for the crazy discounts on games I've wanted for a while - that's just what I think about on the run-up to them but in reality those sales happen all the time nowadays!

What I love is crazy discounts on games I'd probably never have looked at otherwise but which the popularity of here allied to a price it would be bonkers to refuse make irresistable!

So far, Warlock and YS:Origin have fallen into that barrel - Two Worlds II would be in there could I get over their crazy DRM nonsense (and I may yet as I've found a crack for it and I'm not planning online play anyway) and I'm still seeking more stuff to widen my horizons.

In the past I've picked up gems like Recettear, Nightsky, Defense Grid as well as leftfield 'but fun' stuff like Reaxxion and Mevo too.

So -back into the catalog, looking for gems then!

vinraith

14-07-2012, 11:34 PM

Trying to buy Renegade Ops but can't get the purchase window to come up properly. I think all the flash sale/vote thing is doing is causing traffic to be break-the-client levels of unreasonable at times other than the 1 pm ET update.

mnemnoch

14-07-2012, 11:41 PM

neema_t

14-07-2012, 11:55 PM

It's funny (and most of you have probably already noticed this), but with all this 'huge sales cheapen IPs' thing, one thing I've noticed in sales is that people tend to buy heavily DRM'd games if they drop to a low enough price. Therefore, DRM cheapens IPs AS WELL AS hurts legitimate customers AND loses the game sales AND does nothing to stop piracy.

I'm hoping for at least a -33% sale on Arma II:CO, I want to get it for a friend even though I'm sure he'd hate it (I mean he doesn't play BF3 because he dies too quickly, so...), so it would have to be cheap, but even if I don't get it for him I'd get the PMC DLC for me.

Edit: I can't decide what I love more about Steam sales. Games I never would've taken notice of being waved in front of me for so cheap that I can't help but look them up and decide whether I want them or not, or the fact that stuff you've completely forgotten about is silently really cheap; for me that was DCS: Black Shark (which I happened to add to my wishlist by chance despite not wanting it that much, but for £5? Sure!) and the Race 07 STCC add-ons, both of which were bought by this guy earlier on. Also, Cargo: The Quest for Gravity is amazing, so thank you to whoever mentioned that (I think they were in this thread).

Edawan

14-07-2012, 11:59 PM

The Witcher 2 for 16€... will I add it to my long list of games to play ?

alms

15-07-2012, 12:15 AM

You do realize that the simulation also let you order enemy units, right?

Yes I know that, for some reason "preview" became "predict" in my mind. Nevermind.

Tritagonist

15-07-2012, 12:26 AM

The Witcher 2 for 16€... will I add it to my long list of games to play ?
I'm currently playing The Witcher 2, about half way in, and it's been a long time since I've felt so conflicted about a game. It's obviously a competent game though, so if you like the general genre you'll probably enjoy this one too.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 01:08 AM

Flash update seems to be broken again, expired deals are hanging around. That period where the store was dead was apparently the result of an outright system collapse, look at the crater in the usage numbers from a few hours ago.

alms

15-07-2012, 01:18 AM

look at the crater in the usage numbers from a few hours ago.

whoa!

The Witcher 1 is 1.99 as a flash deal (while for some reason Steam only shows me TW2 as one). Really tempted. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time but I thoroughly despise CD Projekt.

johnki

15-07-2012, 01:20 AM

whoa!

The Witcher 1 is 1.99 as a flash deal (while for some reason Steam only shows me TW2 as one). Really tempted. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time but I thoroughly despise CD Projekt.
It's incredible. The story is pretty awesome, and I might be in the minority liking the combat system, but it really is a great game. And it's one of the few games that really does allow you to control how much sex is in the game, and usually the sex makes sense in some way, though I was disappointed when I found out collecting all of the sex cards doesn't do anything. :P

EDIT: Though I got it through CDP Red's sister company, GOG, so I have a DRM free version. Though I hate that it doesn't include the Mac version.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 01:38 AM

Finicky

15-07-2012, 02:01 AM

The Witcher 2 for 16€... will I add it to my long list of games to play ?

Both tw1 and tw2 are very nice games.
The only wrpgs I can stand since kotor...

Very good art, great use of color, likeable characters that you can care for and an entertaining stories and dialog and a really cool world. Parts of tw1 look like a painting.
The combat in the first game is decent enough (it's pretty simple but it's not annoying or frustrating) , and the combat in the second is pretty good. (especially for wrpg standards).

johnki

15-07-2012, 02:05 AM

Is Pole Position 2012 worth buying? All I can find on it is a few reviews by people that obviously expected a racing game.

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 02:12 AM

Anyone else having trouble purchasing in steam? I can purchase steam wallet with no problem but having trouble getting renegade ops. :(

EDIT:

I can purchase for myself now but I cant gift to myself. Weird

vinraith

15-07-2012, 02:14 AM

Is Pole Position 2012 worth buying? All I can find on it is a few reviews by people that obviously expected a racing game.

I'd never heard of it, but had a look and it's got real potential. If anyone knows whether it's any good, I'd be interested in hearing that as well.

alms

15-07-2012, 02:16 AM

Is Pole Position 2012 worth buying? All I can find on it is a few reviews by people that obviously expected a racing game.

Take a look at this thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2698969).

vinraith

15-07-2012, 02:21 AM

Take a look at this thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2698969).

Well, that's a bummer. Thanks, though.

Sketch

15-07-2012, 02:22 AM

Why would you despise CD Projekt?

johnki

15-07-2012, 02:23 AM

Take a look at this thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2698969).
Thanks. I guess I'll look up Grand Prix Manager 2 then. :)

alms

15-07-2012, 02:25 AM

Anyone else having trouble purchasing in steam? I can purchase steam wallet with no problem but having trouble getting renegade ops. :(

Nope but I'm paying everything with Paypal.

Why would you despise CD Projekt?

Mainly because of the blackmailing affair with TW2 some time ago. Also every time I read an interview with someone who's from CDP they sound like pompous, slimy scumbags. Ewww.

FTR I did cave in and buy TW1 so now I'm morally obligated to buy Mirror's Edge as soon as it gets back in the 2 and change range.

FriendlyFire

15-07-2012, 02:34 AM

Or perhaps they don't have full mastery of the English language since they're Polish.

Don't know, I'd much more readily blame the language barrier than any pompous feel about them, considering how much good stuff they do overall.

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 02:37 AM

Should I get L4D2 if my intention is to play the single player only?

jnx

15-07-2012, 02:39 AM

Should I get L4D2 if my intention is to play the single player only?

I'd say no.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 02:39 AM

Should I get L4D2 if my intention is to play the single player only?

Hell no, the allied bots are awful and you're wholly dependent on them.

alms

15-07-2012, 02:46 AM

@ FriendlyFire I'm not a native speaker either. If you stalked my forum profile you might realize how long it takes for me to put together every single clunkily worded post. But that would be lethally boring so take my word for it.

Anyway take a look at the last Q in this interview (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/19/interview-cd-projekt-on-cyberpunk-future-of-drm/) and tell me what you think it's worse: the part about experience as DRM or the one about single player games?

Translation: oh look so you made a straight to the point question and hit a nerve, but I'm so much smarter than you and your pitiful readers and I'll talk my way out of it and you won't notice.

Totally sounds like a politician. It makes me want pick up a guitar and slam the guy dead on the spot.

Sketch

15-07-2012, 02:51 AM

Nope but I'm paying everything with Paypal.

Mainly because of the blackmailing affair with TW2 some time ago. Also every time I read an interview with someone who's from CDP they sound like pompous, slimy scumbags. Ewww.

FTR I did cave in and buy TW1 so now I'm morally obligated to buy Mirror's Edge as soon as it gets back in the 2 and change range.

It was a crap thing to do, but I think they just completely mishandled it rather than actually being bastards. They do so much good by PC gamers I think they deserve a let off. As for the interviews, well that's your perception I suppose but they seem like good enough guys, and even if they're cocky, they make good games and usually support their games really wel. I think there are a lot more companies out there deserving hate more than CD Projekt.

alms

15-07-2012, 02:54 AM

I think there are a lot more companies out there deserving hate more than CD Projekt.

I guess, but I strongly believe in voting with your money. If I don't like a company I don't buy their products no matter what.

Ok, unless their products are under 2 € :P

jnx

15-07-2012, 02:54 AM

magnus1969

15-07-2012, 02:57 AM

Hell no, the allied bots are awful and you're wholly dependent on them.

I'd disagree slightly as I've only ever played L4D2 solo, L4D was a different matter though.

alms

15-07-2012, 03:02 AM

I don't really see what your problem is? And most PR talk is like politicians anyway, it's nothing CDProjekt specific.

One more reason to like indies (some of them at least). Anyway, don't get upset: I'm NOT trying to get other people to change their minds about buying CD Projekt games. Merely bringing attention to a CD Projekt deal and expressing the nature of my personal dilemma (gamer's dilemmas, serious business)

FriendlyFire

15-07-2012, 04:11 AM

I'm not reading anything particularly cocky in that last reply. If anything, he's a fair bit more honest than most interviewees.

Also, I'd have a hard time condemning an entire company because an individual didn't word things properly. Iwinski is the business guy of CDProjekt, of course he's gonna be rather business-focused and perhaps use more marketing speak. If the lead dev for a game acted like shit, perhaps I could see a reason to not want to buy their game, but this? I don't see how he can represent the entire company or any particular game.

Finally, as has been said, CDProjekt is a rarity these days. They do so much good stuff I'd be unable to just boycott or otherwise avoid them. Yes, their dealings with attacking alleged pirates was a terrible move that brought them a lot of bad blood, but I think they've understood the message (after all, they've stopped; I'm not sure the same would've happened with other publishers). Still, they're the guys behind GOG, they made The Witcher 1 and 2, which are two excellent games in their own right, and then provided ridiculously large patches and content additions to them for free.

I can honestly forgive a slip up or two when the company as a whole seems intent on doing stuff like that.

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 05:14 AM

Flash sale, Civilization Collection - $24.99, 82% off. For someone who spent a fair amount of time with Civ 2, and more recently delved into Alpha Centauri, is this worth it? Is there anything significant missing aside from Gods and Kings? Is not having G&K a big deal?

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:18 AM

neonordnance

15-07-2012, 05:33 AM

Are the Theatre of War games any good? I'm a fan of MOW:AS and WWII history, and I'm willing to put up with some wonkiness, but I'm not quite a hardcore hex-counting grognard.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 05:49 AM

Just posted this in the bargain section regarding Two Worlds 2.

Ooook, just installed and loaded up. Well maybe I am in the wrong on this occasion. Once up put in your licence key they then ask quite intrusive mandatory questions, they also have banner ads in-game (on the opening screen anyway). By the look of it control pad controls are forced on. Good graphical options though and the game does look good. Just that really miffed me I had to pretty much give them my whole identity to play their game.

So while not a reflection of the game itself, it is a pretty bad first impression.

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:00 AM

Are the Theatre of War games any good? I'm a fan of MOW:AS and WWII history, and I'm willing to put up with some wonkiness, but I'm not quite a hardcore hex-counting grognard.
I really like em, but they take some time to get used to. You'll probably wonder several times why units aren't working as they should (tanks, mortars, etc...) and it's because they all need units individually assigned and replaced as they die out individually. Other than that, it's got what appears to be a very realistic model, meaning it can be a bit tough.

hamster

15-07-2012, 06:09 AM

oooh do i want two worlds 2? only 55 mins left.

edit:
how does two worlds 2 compare to a patched Gothic 3? I reckon Gothic 3 will go on sale sometime soon and i don't want TWO open world games fighting for attention on my desktop. Forget about Skyrim: I want to get it with the expansion.

Gnoupi

15-07-2012, 06:18 AM

Hm, Fray on flash deal. It actually reminded me that the game existed and was released.
RPS was quite excited about it, when it was announced, because the premise and screenshots were quite interesting: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/fray/

Apparently, it released silently, and it's a complete mess of bugs, according to reviews: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fray/critic-reviews
And today, less than a month after release, it's -50%. Nice job to try and take the most money possible. But nice way to alienate also all people who preordered for a few months before the release, at full price.

It's expiring in less than one hour anyway, nothing to see here.

PeteC

15-07-2012, 06:59 AM

Quite surprised LA Noire won that vote.I thought Alan Wake would have taken that.

Scumbag

15-07-2012, 07:06 AM

Painkiller is on flash offer.
Get the black edition, ignore the remainder etc...

jnx

15-07-2012, 07:06 AM

Quite surprised LA Noire won that vote.I thought Alan Wake would have taken that.

Alan Wake franchise was a flash deal like yesterday. Quite surprised anyone voted it.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 07:07 AM

Quite surprised LA Noire won that vote.I thought Alan Wake would have taken that.

Going to be a few disappointed folk about. I like the game in small doses but think many people will expect GTA 1950

Dentharial

15-07-2012, 07:39 AM

So, what does the hive mind think about the 33% vote on Quantum Conundrum? I'll admit that I held off on buying the game exactly because I thought I'd pick it up in the Summer Sale.

On the one hand, all the awesome things I've heard about it makes me think it's easily worth even 66% of the normal price, and I doubt we'll get another sale for much lower considering it's such a new game. But there's this nagging voice at the back of my head saying that it'll be 50% off later on in the week, and then I can justify spending that little extra on something else.

Anthile

15-07-2012, 07:55 AM

If you like Portal, there's a a good chance you'll also like Quantum Conundrum. It never quite reaches Portal's level of excellence but it's still a good game.

PeteC

15-07-2012, 07:56 AM

Alan Wake franchise was a flash deal like yesterday. Quite surprised anyone voted it.
Ah right. I missed that one.

Gnoupi

15-07-2012, 08:35 AM

If you like Portal, there's a a good chance you'll also like Quantum Conundrum. It never quite reaches Portal's level of excellence but it's still a good game.

I would add, if you like Portal and have no problem having most puzzles requiring a part of platformer dexterity. Because you will need to make some tricky jumps (something that Valve tried to remove completely from Portal 2, there were some in Portal 1).

cowthief skank

15-07-2012, 09:13 AM

I would add, if you like Portal and have no problem having most puzzles requiring a part of platformer dexterity. Because you will need to make some tricky jumps (something that Valve tried to remove completely from Portal 2, there were some in Portal 1).

Yeah, don't go in expecting Portal. Don't. It's an interesting game in its own right, but I pretty much fully agreed with Alec's words on the subject - it seems like they tried their hardest to do everything in John's list of things games shouldn't do. Particularly the bloody voiceover repeating every time you repeated a tricky puzzle because the checkpoint was placed before the voiceover... And the voiceover was a bloody hint for what to do, when you KNOW what to do because you just died five times trying to do it. They made so many silly mistakes, but there are some really quite brilliant puzzles all the same.

fiddlesticks

15-07-2012, 10:14 AM

Quantum Conundrum was a good game with some questionable design decisions, namely the annoying platformer segments. It does have John de Lancie in it though, so I'm willing to forgive it for that.

Ravelle

15-07-2012, 10:17 AM

Man, so far most daily deals and flash deals included games I already own.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 10:21 AM

Man, so far most daily deals and flash deals included games I already own.

Same, I have only managed 2 games so far. Was tempted by Witcher 2 but I know a site where I can get it for £6 odd.

Flobulon

15-07-2012, 10:40 AM

Is any of the Civ IV DLC worth buying?

Edit: D'oh, I mean the expansions. It's only an extra £1.20 so I think I'll just go for it.

Edit 2: Also, is Civ V GOTY edition worth £7.50?

Tritagonist

15-07-2012, 10:49 AM

Is any of the Civ IV DLC worth buying?
Do you mean the Civ IV expansion packs or the Civ V DLC?

Assuming the latter; I liked the Civ V Spain and Viking DLC, but only for the same reason some might prefer a different skin in a MP FPS game. It didn't really change the game all that much, though I heard the Viking scenario is actually pretty good.

Anthile

15-07-2012, 10:50 AM

That said, is the Harley Quinn DLC for Arkham City any good?

rsherhod

15-07-2012, 12:08 PM

LA Noire any good? Is the complete edition worth considering?

alms

15-07-2012, 12:16 PM

I don't see how he can represent the entire company or any particular game.

Because he's there representing his company, he's there because he's CD Projekt's something, not because he's a nice a guy we met at the bar and thought it would a great idea interviewing him.

BTW the same argument could be applied to EA. It's totally OK to form an opinion based on what the company has done and what faces (or evil hippies) are representing it in public.

Finally, as has been said, CDProjekt is a rarity these days. They do so much good stuff I'd be unable to just boycott or otherwise avoid them.

I've been able to do that so far, but this time they just outdiscounted me :P I see your points here, but that attitude "no apologies, we're going to talk us out of the hole", it does nobody no good.

alms

15-07-2012, 12:17 PM

LA Noire any good? Is the complete edition worth considering?

It's far from a perfect game but if you like adventures/interactive movies, it's a buy. There's not many games like that out there anyway.

stahlwerk

15-07-2012, 12:18 PM

That said, is the Harley Quinn DLC for Arkham City any good?
I was wondering the same. Front page coverage of the DLC stopped shy of its release. But, for that price it seems a sensible addition. I don't care much for the other stuff anyway, so I'm very tempted not to hold off until september/christmas for the GOTY edition.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 12:26 PM

It is very slow paced and not much action. The game prompts you when you stumble upon clues and holds your hand a lot. The only real challenge is guessing when a witness is lying to you (and even that just feels random as points). And most of the cases involve the same thing so the game is very repetitive. Is it worth £5? Probably, but I wouldnt expect to be hooked on it for long.

orcane

15-07-2012, 01:09 PM

Was tempted by Arkham City, but I already have the PS3 version (no DLCs, however) and the Steam + GfWL + SecuROM triple-DRM-cancer is serious overkill -.-

So far the sale has been no surprise - lots of games that cost as much reduced as I pay if I order from some B&M store or Amazon.

It's okay for some discount DLCs though, I figure.

elephant god

15-07-2012, 01:47 PM

rsherhod

15-07-2012, 01:47 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 01:48 PM

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 01:57 PM

On the fence about buying Tropico. Is the graphics of 3 the same as 4? Tropico 3 is cheap and they said there is not much difference between it and Tropico 4.

On another note, if anyone have a spare key for Frozen Synapse, I will gladly trade any game you want that cost $2 in steam for it.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 01:58 PM

Skyrim is included.
I wouldn't call that an elder Elder Scrolls game though...

Morrowind is <3 though, people still playing and making mods for it because of awesome. It's too bad Skyrim largely went in the footsteps of Oblivion.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 02:01 PM

I wouldn't call that an elder Elder Scrolls game though...

Morrowind is <3 though, people still playing and making mods for it because of awesome. It's too bad Skyrim largely went in the footsteps of Oblivion.

Funny that because Bethesda would, and have.....

thegooseking

15-07-2012, 02:03 PM

I wonder why none of the elder Elder Scrolls games or even Fallout3 are included in the Bethesda pack. Do they think anyone willing to pay 50sths for ~3 games during a sale would already have these slightly older games? If morrowind, oblivion and fallout3 would be in there, too, I'm sure I'd give in... now it can barely be called a "bethesda" pack.

The Elder Scrolls pack contains Morrowind and Oblivion (and Skyrim, of course) and is currently about £30. Weird that you have to choose between that and the Bethesda pack. And the Fallout collection, well, it only contains the Interplay games, so Fallout 3 isn't there, either. I don't think Fallout 3 is in any pack.

Edit: Fallout 3's store page says it incompatible with Windows 7. I never heard that. I've checked the store page a few times since I got Windows 7, and I never saw that notice before. When did this happen?

jnx

15-07-2012, 02:03 PM

Oh FFS! I bought From Dust yesterday because I'd heard the DRM had been removed. Unfortunately you need to have made a uPlay account first and their bloody servers are down. No mention of that Ubisoft crap on the Steam page >:(

Well it's not the only problem with the game and it never received a single patch (except the drm removing one).

Protoman

15-07-2012, 02:55 PM

And... Grimrock wins? 60% of people voted for a repeat sale? And a daily sale too... I understand the other sales sucked, but at least they were something...

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 02:58 PM

lol Grimrock 51% :(

Guess lots of late summer sale buyer

Tikey

15-07-2012, 03:00 PM

I guess people just go with the highest discount.

This is an amazing social experiment valve is making.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:02 PM

Never played Grimrock but seems the rest of the sale has been quite poor I may give it a go depending on what else they regurgitate at 6 O'clock. The other too options just scream tacky indie crap to me.

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 03:02 PM

If Terraria wins on the next one...

Anyway I have 2 of the next batch and Im not interested in DD

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:04 PM

Magika and qube? really?

Everyone vote dungeon defenders, Bastion and Terrirairrraiaa are crap.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 03:05 PM

Funny that because Bethesda would, and have.....
With an extra 'elder'?

Hypernetic

15-07-2012, 03:05 PM

Magika and qube? really?

Everyone vote dungeon defenders, Bastion and Terrirairrraiaa are crap.

What? Bastion was probably the single best indie game of last year. It's an excellent game.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:06 PM

With an extra 'elder'?

You lost me now.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 03:07 PM

Magika and qube? really?

Everyone vote dungeon defenders, Bastion and Terrirairrraiaa are crap.
Pretty sure we at least voted down qube, so I guess they really wanted their sale.

As for Dungeon Defenders, it's just been on a regular sale, may hurt its chances.

You lost me now.
My point is elephant god was probably using the extra elder to mean an older game in the series, while being punny. That's all debated to death by now though. :(

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:08 PM

I missed that one, and quite fancy it.

pakoito

15-07-2012, 03:12 PM

Anyone wants to split a Frozen Synapse?

alms

15-07-2012, 03:13 PM

I guess people just go with the highest discount.

This is an amazing social experiment valve is making.

That sure is one of the reasons, but still I wouldn't write off the idea of people choosing repeats because they missed it in the first place. Really these freaking flash deals are making spend a lot more time on the storefront page than I should.

Gilead

15-07-2012, 03:17 PM

Kind of annoying. The latest Magicka DLC adventure thing was 40% off during the rest of the sale, but now Magicka is a flash sale that particular piece of DLC is full price with no discount at all.

alms

15-07-2012, 03:17 PM

As for Dungeon Defenders, it's just been on a regular sale, may hurt its chances.

Even better, it's been in a bundle, that could be had whole for about the same price point of DD if/when it'll be 75% off.

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 03:18 PM

Maybe next community vote they will put Alien Swarm :D

alms

15-07-2012, 03:18 PM

Kind of annoying. The latest Magicka DLC adventure thing was 40% off during the rest of the sale, but now Magicka is a flash sale that particular piece of DLC is full price with no discount at all.

Well, the entire Magicka package was like 3 $ on Amazon not long ago.

fiddlesticks

15-07-2012, 03:22 PM

Edit: Fallout 3's store page says it incompatible with Windows 7. I never heard that. I've checked the store page a few times since I got Windows 7, and I never saw that notice before. When did this happen?
For what it's worth, I'm using Windows 7 64bit and both Fallout 3 and New Vegas run fine for me. Well, as fine as any Bethesda game, which is to say they crash frequently. But at least they're playable. I did find this thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1086657) on the Steam forums with some useful tips on how to make Fallout 3 work under Windows 7, if you're having any problems.

I'm tempted to buy the Painkiller Complete Pack as I've heard quite a few good things about the series. Should I just get the whole set or are some of the games not worth it?

Anthile

15-07-2012, 03:24 PM

Dungeon Defenders has also been the midweek madness right before the summer sale began. I don't get the logic of these flash sales and community vote options at all.

ヽ（´ー｀）┌

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:25 PM

I think the thing with windows 7 is the standard home edition may not run stuff, where the Ultimate edition will.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:25 PM

Dungeon Defenders has also been the midweek madness right before the summer sale began. I don't get the logic of these flash sales and community vote options at all.

ヽ（´ー｀）┌

I never had money then.

Anyone having their vote not being registered? I feel like I am in Florida .....

Nalano

15-07-2012, 03:29 PM

Dungeon Defenders has also been the midweek madness right before the summer sale began. I don't get the logic of these flash sales and community vote options at all.

ヽ（´ー｀）┌

It gets people clicking to the store page with its array of deals more often. The more eyes on the tempting, tempting discounts, the more sales they get. They're insidious, they're subversive, they're -- Dirt 2 is available for only five bucks? Woo!

Subatomic

15-07-2012, 03:29 PM

Dungeon Defenders has also been the midweek madness right before the summer sale began. I don't get the logic of these flash sales and community vote options at all.

ヽ（´ー｀）┌

The flash sales seem to be mostly games that already were on sale recently or were options from the community votes that didn't make it, so it seems the flash sales are intended for people who missed the previous sales/didn't want the community vote winner.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:31 PM

It gets people clicking to the store page with its array of deals more often. The more eyes on the tempting, tempting discounts, the more sales they get. They're insidious, they're subversive, they're -- Dirt 2 is available for only five bucks? Woo!

Dirt 3 is only £5 on getgamego.com

elephant god

15-07-2012, 03:33 PM

Skyrim is included.

I said the elder Elder scrolls games. too much pun made that incomprehensible. there's so much missing that made Bethesda the behemoth they are, it can barely be called bethesda pack.

Also, this thread is too fast for me ^^

Leopig

15-07-2012, 03:34 PM

lol fair point, you got me with that one.

dextro

15-07-2012, 03:36 PM

I never had money then.

Anyone having their vote not being registered? I feel like I am in Florida .....

I'm having the same issue but I'm used to having my vote no matter a thing so...

JamesG

15-07-2012, 03:56 PM

Yeah, vote trouble here as well.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 04:18 PM

Nalano

15-07-2012, 04:22 PM

They'd be more insidious if their infrastructure could actually support the amount of traffic they're generating.

Dude, Apple has never had a clean launch without huge backlogs and people camping out in front of stores, and Apple is adored by legions of brainwashed masses.

That said, there are 4.4 million folks on Steam right now. That's a damn lot for a relatively tiny company without Apple's 27,500 retail personnel. That the whole thing hasn't exploded in a fiery mess is testament enough to their infrastructure.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 04:25 PM

That said, there are 4.4 million folks on Steam right now. That's a damn lot for a relatively tiny company without Apple's 27,500 retail personnel.

I'm not suggesting there's no reason for them to be having problems, just that they'd just be even more ridiculously successful if the "enter your payment details" page didn't come up as gibberish half the time. That kind of thing tends to stop exactly the kind of impulse buys they're otherwise carefully cultivating.

shakeit

15-07-2012, 04:34 PM

I'm having the same issue but I'm used to having my vote no matter a thing so...

I have the same issue too, but I noticed that I already own all three games. Perhaps it doesn't let you vote on games you have already purchased. My only gripe is that I lose a badge if I can not vote..

Flint

15-07-2012, 04:35 PM

I have the vote issue all the time. It does seem to register but the page doesn't update to reflect it has until some time after.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 04:58 PM

I have the vote issue all the time. It does seem to register but the page doesn't update to reflect it has until some time after.
My experience is it's just slow to update stuff in general. New sales take a while before they show correctly, especially the flash sales this time around; initially the old ones keep showing, then the new ones show up without the proper icon and name (just one of their cartoon figures with a question mark), and then eventually it gets fixed.

Nalano

15-07-2012, 04:59 PM

I'm not suggesting there's no reason for them to be having problems, just that they'd just be even more ridiculously successful if the "enter your payment details" page didn't come up as gibberish half the time. That kind of thing tends to stop exactly the kind of impulse buys they're otherwise carefully cultivating.

I think the hate would be entirely justified if they did go down in a fiery mess, no? 4.4 million players booted? Imagine!

Slowness, on the other hand, is par for the course, though even slowness is a relative value. "Two minutes to bake a potato!?"

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:03 PM

I think the hate would be entirely justified if they did go down in a fiery mess, no? 4.4 million players booted? Imagine!

Slowness, on the other hand, is par for the course, though even slowness is a relative value. "Two minutes to bake a potato!?"

I'm not sure where you're getting "hate" from all this, it's "mild annoyance" at best.

And incidentally, the system did go down and boot all 4.4 million players yesterday, have a look at the usage stats. Funnily enough, it was right when I finally decided to buy Renegade Ops.

Track

15-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 05:05 PM

Man worst sales ever. Now they putting stuff back on sale that was onsale a day or two ago in the daily deals. Saints Row 3 again? Trine 2?

Come on steam, you have more than 30 games in your catalogue.

F. Lynx Pardinus

15-07-2012, 05:06 PM

Saints Row 3 again?
I don't think the DLC was on sale last time. This time it is.

trjp

15-07-2012, 05:06 PM

I'm more and more convinced that Flash Deals are just the Daily Deals and Community Vote options 'mixed up' - which means in a day-or-so we'll probably have seen everything the sale has to offer in terms of big discounts.

That's perhaps a good thing tho - it's always been a PITA waiting for the last day before you buy the stuff you fancy - this way, if you're around when it goes on Flash/Community offer, you can nab it earlier.

It also means their servers won't melt on the last day under the weight of people - that said tho, I just threw 2 of yesterday's deals into my basket (at 17:50) and it was after 18:00 when I made it through to PayPal (at the right price, thankfully). By the time I got back, the new deals had been running for 2-3 mins - cutting it FINE there I was - if I'd screwed-up the PayPal bit, I'd have lost those dealsz

In other news - copy of TW2 Velvet just landed as a gift and, at this point, I've no idea who from. Guess that makes the limited activations easier to bear then? :)

Flint

15-07-2012, 05:09 PM

Also, let me just say that running a vote entirely while I was asleep was some incredibly bad timing on Valve's part, and now i've lost out on one of those badge-requirements because I won't have voted every time.
Don't worry, because none of the badge requirements require you to vote every single time. The top-tier voting ones are for voting during every day of the sale (so as long as you vote at least once each day, you're cool) and for voting in at least 20 polls. With three polls a day and way over 20 polls in total over the sales period, missing one poll doesn't mean your badge hunting is wrecked.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:10 PM

It also means their servers won't melt on the last day under the weight of people - that said tho, I just threw 2 of yesterday's deals into my basket (at 17:50) and it was after 18:00 when I made it through to PayPal (at the right price, thankfully). By the time I got back, the new deals had been running for 2-3 mins - cutting it FINE there I was - if I'd screwed-up the PayPal bit, I'd have lost those dealsz

Actually, the daily deals run for 36 hours. Note that, under today's dailies, yesterday's dailies are still up and running.

thegooseking

15-07-2012, 05:10 PM

Yeah, i've been having voting issues for the entirety of the sale. Which is upsetting, because I actually do want one of the games on this new community choice ballot. Also, let me just say that running a vote entirely while I was asleep was some incredibly bad timing on Valve's part, and now i've lost out on one of those badge-requirements because I won't have voted every time. Not that it really matters (though the note posted on the Summer Camp page makes me think that there might be something more to the badge than previously thought), but it's still somewhat annoying.

Also, new daily deals are up. I'll be buying Walking Dead finally. Also, is Legends of Grimrock worth a purchase? I've heard some great things about it, and the price is unlikely to go lower...

There's no achievement for voting every time. At three rounds of voting a day, there will be thirty rounds in all, and the highest number that contributes to the badge is twenty. There is an achievement for voting every day, but that's a lot easier. You need to vote on average twice a day and at least once a day to get the full badge.

Edit: What Flint said.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:11 PM

Don't worry, because none of the badge requirements require you to vote every single time. The top-tier voting ones are for voting on every day of the sale and for voting in at least 20 polls. With three polls a day and way over 20 polls in total over the sales period, missing one poll doesn't mean your badge hunting is wrecked.

Yup. 11 days of sale, 3 votes per day, that's 33 total and the top badge is 20. That's good, because any sensible human being is generally going to sleep through 1 vote per day.

deano2099

15-07-2012, 05:11 PM

Yeah, i've been having voting issues for the entirety of the sale. Which is upsetting, because I actually do want one of the games on this new community choice ballot. Also, let me just say that running a vote entirely while I was asleep was some incredibly bad timing on Valve's part, and now i've lost out on one of those badge-requirements because I won't have voted every time. Not that it really matters (though the note posted on the Summer Camp page makes me think that there might be something more to the badge than previously thought), but it's still somewhat annoying.

Aren't the badges for voting 20 times and voting every day? It's a 10-day sale so you only have to vote twice a day for that one, and there are three votes per day. I don't see anything for voting in every single one.

Nalano

15-07-2012, 05:12 PM

I don't think the DLC was on sale last time. This time it is.

You're right. Ha! Fifty cents for the Shark Attack Pack.

And incidentally, the system did go down and boot all 4.4 million players yesterday, have a look at the usage stats. Funnily enough, it was right when I finally decided to buy Renegade Ops.

Well, it's 4.8 million now, and it was 3.6 million when it went down. I didn't notice, but then it didn't boot me out of my games (unlike EA! screw you for kicking me outta ME3 because you couldn't validate my DLC after I've already been playing for two hours!)

alms

15-07-2012, 05:17 PM

I'm more and more convinced that Flash Deals are just the Daily Deals and Community Vote options 'mixed up' - which means in a day-or-so we'll probably have seen everything the sale has to offer in terms of big discounts.

The interesting fact today is that Trine is cheaper now as a daily deal than earlier as a flash deal. I'd say watch out for any flash deal that isn't at least 75% off, it may turn up as a daily later.

Dude, Apple has never had a clean launch without huge backlogs and people camping out in front of stores, and Apple is adored by legions of brainwashed masses.

Issue with loads notwithstanding, I'm puzzled that you would think it a good idea comparing a company which purposefully leverages a sense of false exclusivity to actually move more stuff, with another which makes much more compact truckloads of money carrying itself like a huge bargain bin festival that goes on all year long.

TillEulenspiegel

15-07-2012, 05:17 PM

alms

15-07-2012, 05:20 PM

@ Till you'll hardly ever find a Steam indie bundle that offers as much bang for your buck as an indie bundle. Of course anyone who's stocked up on those in the past year will find them uninteresting.

If Steam offered extra copies for every game you buy twice, that would make it more bearable.

Nalano

15-07-2012, 05:20 PM

Issue with loads notwithstanding, I'm puzzled that you would think it a good idea comparing a company which purposefully leverages a sense of false exclusivity to actually move more stuff, with another which makes much more compact truckloads of money carrying itself like a huge bargain bin festival that goes on all year long.

I'm not, really. I just feel it's kinda silly, like complaining on Black Friday that stores are crowded.

alms

15-07-2012, 05:21 PM

I have a lot to learn from you my friend.

Davkaus

15-07-2012, 05:22 PM

Decided to pick up SR3 this team. Is it playable with kb/m, or am I going to want to pick up a gamepad?

Nalano

15-07-2012, 05:23 PM

Decided to pick up SR3 this team. Is it playable with kb/m, or am I going to want to pick up a gamepad?

I've never played a GTA-style game with a gamepad. It's quite playable with KB&M.

...how would you aim otherwise?

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:24 PM

Has anyone bought an indie bundle yet? For $10, they're a little underwhelming, and they're mostly games that have been bundled elsewhere before. I think last year Steam did themed bundles, which was a little more interesting.

Nope, and having looked at the upcoming ones here (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/w6gxt/steam_summer_sale_preview_indie_bundlesmore/) I don't think I'm going to. At most any given bundle has one game of interest, and frankly I'm tired of bundles and sales cluttering up my games list with crap I'll never play.

Flint

15-07-2012, 05:24 PM

Decided to pick up SR3 this team. Is it playable with kb/m, or am I going to want to pick up a gamepad?
Works perfectly with mouse and keyboard.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:24 PM

A friendly reminder for those tempted by SR3 on Steam: it will be $9.99 next week in Amazon's sale. For those of you outside the US, of course, this unfortunately does you no good.

cowthief skank

15-07-2012, 05:26 PM

The interesting fact today is that Trine is cheaper now as a daily deal than earlier as a flash deal. I'd say watch out for any flash deal that isn't at least 75% off, it may turn up as a daily later.

Not here it isn't. Same price.

Finicky

15-07-2012, 05:26 PM

Any opinions on cities XL?

Also does saints row still run at 20-30 fps most amd cards like at launch? (I bet it does...)

Track

15-07-2012, 05:29 PM

Don't worry, because none of the badge requirements require you to vote every single time. The top-tier voting ones are for voting during every day of the sale (so as long as you vote at least once each day, you're cool) and for voting in at least 20 polls. With three polls a day and way over 20 polls in total over the sales period, missing one poll doesn't mean your badge hunting is wrecked.

That's good news. For some reason I thought that the "vote every day" badge was "vote in every poll". That makes it quite a bit easier.

sabrage

15-07-2012, 05:30 PM

Why would anyone possibly care about badges?

Flint

15-07-2012, 05:31 PM

Why would anyone possibly care about badges?
Some people like collecting things.

alms

15-07-2012, 05:31 PM

Not here it isn't. Same price.

Actually you're right. I think I'll have another coffee.

orcane

15-07-2012, 05:33 PM

It's funny, the Saints Row 3 franchise bundle is listed at 24.99 EUR, but if you add up all the -75% prices it should be 18.25.

Ah well, I only had like 4 DLCs left anyway.

cowthief skank

15-07-2012, 05:34 PM

Actually you're right. I think I'll have another coffee.

I had to double check myself, only because I bought it in the flash sale, didn't want to have been ripped off...

F. Lynx Pardinus

15-07-2012, 05:34 PM

it will be $9.99 next week in Amazon's sale
Has this been confirmed? Last I heard was that Amazon might (not would) go to $10.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:34 PM

Why would anyone possibly care about badges?

Because Steam has trained people to expect rewards for that kind of thing, even though in this case no rewards have been promised.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:35 PM

Has this been confirmed? Last I heard was that Amazon might (not would) go to $10.

Yes, roughly 10 pages back in this thread.

LTK

15-07-2012, 05:36 PM

Wow, excellent selection of daily deals today. If I owned none, I'd want to buy six of the nine. I've already done the Darkness II and Serious Sam: BFE, so I might buy Trine 2 (I liked Trine 1) and Hitman: Blood Money. That one was the good Hitman, right?

Legend of Grimrock is the community's choice now! You should totally buy that.

F. Lynx Pardinus

15-07-2012, 05:42 PM

Yes, roughly 10 pages back in this thread.

The only thing I found was on page 31 or so where someone quoted an Amazon rep as saying "We will have the base game for 24 hours for at least the same price but I'm pushing for $9.99. The reason we aren't mattching is because $9.99 looks more likely than.not but if we match now we preclude ourselves from that deal." Was there something said past that? (I'm pushing on this not because I don't trust you or anything but because I'm trying to figure out whether to buy in today's deal or not.)

Edit: To clarify, if Amazon is only going to match price later, I'd rather buy from Steam and get the DLC pack on sale on well. If I wait for Amazon, I lose the DLC sale.

thegooseking

15-07-2012, 05:43 PM

Any opinions on cities XL?

It has... something. Somehow it's easier to list its flaws than what it gets right. Like the way you can (and sometimes have to, depending on terrain) have curved roads and angled intersections, but they're absolutely useless since your building plots are still all perfectly rectangular. Like the way it doesn't really explain how utilities and food work (I actually got an achievement for maintaining a starving city, but only because I didn't realise they wanted food). Balancing the number of jobs and people to fill those jobs is part of the game, but it's not at all intuitive.

And yet, there is something about it I like. It's no SimCity, but it has a certain something. Character isn't quite the right word; it's actually pretty characterless as a game. But when I make a city in SimCity, I make a SimCity. When I make a city in Cities XL, it's my city, and I'm a lot more proud of it.

Davkaus

15-07-2012, 05:44 PM

I've never played a GTA-style game with a gamepad. It's quite playable with KB&M.

...how would you aim otherwise?

With GTA, I just couldn't use the vehicles with a keyboard, so I ended up using a gamepad (which no longer works) for driving, but using a keyboard and mouse when on foot.

I found driving in GTA IV with a mouse and keyboard like trying to steer an articulated lorry over an ice-rink covered in marbles. This might just be because I'm shit.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 05:46 PM

So how much is SR3 in the USA steam then? It is £7.49 here which is $11.57 in the USA according to converter I just used.

Finicky

15-07-2012, 05:48 PM

It has... something. Somehow it's easier to list its flaws than what it gets right. Like the way you can (and sometimes have to, depending on terrain) have curved roads and angled intersections, but they're absolutely useless since your building plots are still all perfectly rectangular. Like the way it doesn't really explain how utilities and food work (I actually got an achievement for maintaining a starving city, but only because I didn't realise they wanted food). Balancing the number of jobs and people to fill those jobs is part of the game, but it's not at all intuitive.

And yet, there is something about it I like. It's no SimCity, but it has a certain something. Character isn't quite the right word; it's actually pretty characterless as a game. But when I make a city in SimCity, I make a SimCity. When I make a city in Cities XL, it's my city, and I'm a lot more proud of it.

Thanks, and technically? I heard it had memory leak issues making it unplayable unless you constantly reboot your pc , has that ever been fixed?
How does it run on amd cards? How good or bad is the UI? Any obnixious DRM or DLC whoring?

vinraith

15-07-2012, 05:48 PM

The only thing I found was on page 31 or so where someone quoted an Amazon rep as saying "We will have the base game for 24 hours for at least the same price but I'm pushing for $9.99. The reason we aren't mattching is because $9.99 looks more likely than.not but if we match now we preclude ourselves from that deal." Was there something said past that? (I'm pushing on this not because I don't trust you or anything but because I'm trying to figure out whether to buy in today's deal or not.)

Edit: To clarify, if Amazon is only going to match price later, I'd rather buy from Steam and get the DLC pack on sale on well. If I wait for Amazon, I lose the DLC sale.

I read that as pretty clearly saying "we're not going to match the price now because that will allow us to offer it at $9.99 come next week." Are you reading it differently?

Nalano

15-07-2012, 05:49 PM

So how much is SR3 in the USA steam then? It is £7.49 here which is $11.57 in the USA according to converter I just used.

$12.49 at the moment. And a bird in hand...

vinraith

15-07-2012, 06:00 PM

$12.49 at the moment. And a bird in hand...

As is always true with game sales, it depends on whether you really intend to play it right now or you're just adding it to a backlog pile.

hariseldon

15-07-2012, 06:01 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:02 PM

Well done, you saved yourself some money :p

hariseldon

15-07-2012, 06:03 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:04 PM

So if someone only steals one horse he is not a thief?

pakoito

15-07-2012, 06:04 PM

I want that Killing Floor, but Germany has a low-violence version that I do not want. Does anyone want to help me?

trjp

15-07-2012, 06:05 PM

I wasn't sure about SR3 so I grabbed a pirate copy ages ago and tbh I just couldn't see what the fuss was about and uninstalled it. What did I miss? Driving didn't seem right and the shooting mechanics seemed a bit ropey too (tried kb+m and xbox controller). Just seemed like a shit version of GTA tbh (and SR2 was a REALLY shit version of GTA).

They put a load of stuff into the game to peeve people who stole it - bad car physics etc. They appear to also have removed all the fun bits which make SR3 amazing - the same fun bits which Rockstar lost around GTA:SA and never found again - those bits - they're top-notch in the legal version tho - trust me :)

trjp

15-07-2012, 06:05 PM

I don't pirate much these days, this was purely for demoing purposes, a point proved by my deleting the game afterwards. 150+ games on my steam account says I'm no pirate, so off your high horse mate.

Yeah, you're right, I've owned dozens and dozens of cars, so that one I stole last week counts for nothing :)

vinraith

15-07-2012, 06:08 PM

So if someone only steals one horse he is not a thief?

This is not an appropriate thread in which to have this idiotic argument again.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:09 PM

My origin thread was not the place for an argument either but had to have it shut down because of people derailing it.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 06:09 PM

My origin thread was not the place for an argument either but had to have it shut down because of people derailing it.

Which is why we're not going to do the same thing here, right?

Ravelle

15-07-2012, 06:10 PM

Some people like collecting things.

Like me, I love me some Achievements.

orcane

15-07-2012, 06:10 PM

I think it's futile trying to "explain" Saints Row to people who are already convinced it's a shit version of GTA (it's not, but if you can't see that we can't help you).

With GTA, I just couldn't use the vehicles with a keyboard, so I ended up using a gamepad (which no longer works) for driving, but using a keyboard and mouse when on foot.

I found driving in GTA IV with a mouse and keyboard like trying to steer an articulated lorry over an ice-rink covered in marbles. This might just be because I'm shit.
Pretty sure that's just because GTA4's driving model is shit.

SR3 works fine with keyboard and mouse, no matter if you're running and gunning or driving cars or flying around. Obviously steering is smoother with an analog stick but it still works fine with keyboard, and you get the added bonus of having an easier time to aim at other drivers with your mouse.

Anthile

15-07-2012, 06:13 PM

I want that Killing Floor, but Germany has a low-violence version that I do not want. Does anyone want to help me?

You can edit an ini to get the uncut version.

Go to Steam\steamapps\common\killingfloor\System, open killingfloor.ini and add bdevgoreoverride=True under [Engine.Engine]. That's all.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:14 PM

Which is why we're not going to do the same thing here, right?

Well I have said my piece, so it is dealt with as far as i am concerned, not really bothered about his reaction, so yeah I guess so.

alms

15-07-2012, 06:14 PM

Like me, I love me some Achievements.

I do, too... but these badges just can't get me excited. They will probably disappear as soon as the summer sale is over and reappear next christmas. Yawn.

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:14 PM

Yeah, you're right, I've owned dozens and dozens of cars, so that one I stole last week counts for nothing :)
I'm no pirate, but people on the side against pirating sure have one of the largest breed of moral high horses. If a publisher releases a game that looks like it could be sub-par, and then fails to release a demo, then I don't see anything wrong with a player downloading the game from less illicit sources, trying it out for an hour or two and then deciding to pay for it or delete it. So many people that end up buying the game do that, believe it or not.

EDIT: I've got to say, I like the side of the musicians who don't necessarily like pirating but are okay with it. They don't care how much they get pirated because at least people are listening to their music. It's almost a complement to be one of the most pirated artists. Why can't game devs see it the same way?

That aside, is anyone else losing interest in the community sales? They're just getting worse and worse.

Oh, and was Counter-Strike on sale at 75% off at any point? I want to pick up CSS for myself and my girlfriend but I don't want to at $20 for two copies considering the sale.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:15 PM

So, is Serious Sam BFE worth it? Whats the multiplayer like? If it is anything like quake I will pass.

alms

15-07-2012, 06:19 PM

Oh, and was Counter-Strike on sale at 75% off at any point? I want to pick up CSS for myself and my girlfriend but I don't want to at $20 for two copies considering the sale.

Last june I think.

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:20 PM

Last june I think.
Alright, so there's a chance it'll go on sale again during Steam Sales. Cool. :)

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 06:27 PM

Any chance of The Walking Dead dropping to less than 40% off by the end?

Also, does anyone know if Amazon has another round of sales planned? I figured it would start today, but there's not a lot going on over there.

Flint

15-07-2012, 06:27 PM

So, is Serious Sam BFE worth it? Whats the multiplayer like? If it is anything like quake I will pass.
Singleplayer excellent, deathmatch multiplayer ignorable, co-op campaign with a friend or several brilliant.

Hypernetic

15-07-2012, 06:27 PM

How do you not own CS:S?

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:32 PM

Singleplayer excellent, deathmatch multiplayer ignorable, co-op campaign with a friend or several brilliant.

k thanks, that what I thought from looking at youtube vids. Will skip this and get Dirt 3 for £5 on getgamego instead i think.

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:33 PM

How do you not own CS:S?
I don't personally own any of Valve's games, barring Dota 2. A while back, my brother had me play through Portal and I've been meaning to borrow the second one from him, and I tried Half-Life 2 once, but didn't like it. And then there are the rumors about CS's community, so I'd never cared to try it until recently.

EDIT: Oh, I'm not a huge fan of TF2 either. Blasphemy, I know. :P

sabrage

15-07-2012, 06:34 PM

SR3 works fine with keyboard and mouse, no matter if you're running and gunning or driving cars or flying around. Obviously steering is smoother with an analog stick but it still works fine with keyboard, and you get the added bonus of having an easier time to aim at other drivers with your mouse.
You can do drive-bys? Why did nobody tell me this? Why did that never occur to me? Why do I want this game one-thousand fold more now?

Leopig

15-07-2012, 06:34 PM

If anyone is interested in Men of war check out getgames they are quite a bit cheaper than steam

http://getgamesgo.com/category/men-of-war-sale
And they also have Dirt 3 for £4.99, Operation flashpoint Red river £4.99

Tritagonist

15-07-2012, 06:46 PM

From today's sales, I can definitely recommend Saints Row the Third and Hitman Blood Money (note that the earlier games are on sale as well!).

Thankfully this weekend hasn't been all that damaging to my budget, still keeping my fingers crossed for a good deal on Fallout: New Vegas and Binary Domain.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 06:51 PM

From today's sales, I can definitely recommend Saints Row the Third and Hitman Blood Money (note that the earlier games are on sale as well!).

Seconded, I must add Killing Floor in the flash sale to this list.

trjp

15-07-2012, 06:51 PM

I'm no pirate, but people on the side against pirating sure have one of the largest breed of moral high horses. If a publisher releases a game that looks like it could be sub-par, and then fails to release a demo, then I don't see anything wrong with a player downloading the game from less illicit sources, trying it out for an hour or two and then deciding to pay for it or delete it.
It's not really a high horse - it's just that what you're doing IS illegal and you're the one on the defensive here - you have an excuse for doing it just like everyone else has and that's the bit I dislike the most.

The fact you will delete it OR buy it is irrelevant - there are no degrees to piracy, you either commit it or you don't (and I suspect EVERYONE does at some point - the trick, for me, is simply not to bring the issue up at all).

By saying what you did, you appear to be endorsing it - even saying it's beneficial - but that's not really relevant here is it?

There's a reason people talk about "evaluating it" or "trialling it - it stops people like me derailing threads :)

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:52 PM

Binary Domain.Ooo, totally forgot about that. Considering the deals on Shogun 2 and Football Manager, I don't think it's too far off of a chance.

EDIT:

It's not really a high horse - it's just that what you're doing IS illegal and you're the one on the defensive here - you have an excuse for doing it just like everyone else has and that's the bit I dislike the most.

The fact you will delete it OR buy it is irrelevant - there are no degrees to piracy, you either commit it or you don't (and I suspect EVERYONE does at some point - the trick, for me, is simply not to bring the issue up at all).

By saying what you did, you appear to be endorsing it - even saying it's beneficial - but that's not really relevant here is it?

There's a reason people talk about "evaluating it" or "trialling it - it stops people like me derailing threads :)Not really endorsing it. I just believe that games are one of those unique cases where the best thing one can do is play a game before they buy it.

In that regard, I believe that any company that doesn't provide a demo for their game is doing themselves a disservice.

Besides, in this day and age, people mostly believe that the number 1 cause of piracy is DRM. Hell, people that own the game have to then pirate it to make sure it'll work sometimes (obtaining cracks and such).

I'd also be willing to bet that 99% of the people that are against pirating games would willingly borrow a game from their friends, or buy used games off of Ebay/Gamestop/etc, which is essentially the same thing, considering most pirated software was bought by someone at some point. The only difference is that the one "pirating" often gets a monetary return.

In any case, you're right, it's off-topic.

Anthile

15-07-2012, 06:53 PM

Personally, I thought Serious Sam: BFE was incredibly boring. I got tired very soon of the ludicrously large waves of enemies. A lot of the time I felt like I could just put a rock on my left mouse button and go drink a coffee. Doesn't really it's Egypt again and almost all enemies have appeared in previous SS games. Doesn't help that it has a very slow start and takes a severe nosedive in quality once you hit the Nubia level.
It does look nice, though.

Finicky

15-07-2012, 06:55 PM

Oh, and was Counter-Strike on sale at 75% off at any point? I want to pick up CSS for myself and my girlfriend but I don't want to at $20 for two copies considering the sale.

Buy the orange box, it includes css (unless that somehow changed)!... Any gamer should own the orange box, tf2+ hl2 + ep1 + portal + css is the best value ever.

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/469/

Also lol @ the piracy argument, games should have demos, if a game doesn't have a demo it's 9/10 times a sign that the publisher doesn't want people to see the state the game is in (SHITTY port with sr3).
Any selfrespecting person wouldn't buy something blindly from a public company in an industry that has NO QC laws, no consumer protection laws and no return policy laws.

(http://store.steampowered.com/sub/469/)

Nalano

15-07-2012, 06:56 PM

You can do drive-bys? Why did nobody tell me this? Why did that never occur to me? Why do I want this game one-thousand fold more now?

Really? Really?

Ho man, you are going to have so much fun.

johnki

15-07-2012, 06:59 PM

Buy the orange box, it includes css (unless that somehow changed)!... Any self respecting gamer should own the orange box, tf2+ hl2 + ep1 + portal + css is the best value ever.

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/469/
I have never once seen CSS in the Orange Box, and I don't now, heh. But thank you.

TechnoJellyfish

15-07-2012, 07:02 PM

Regarding SR3: Is any of the DLC's worth getting or is this all more or less cosmetic stuff?

Nalano

15-07-2012, 07:06 PM

Regarding SR3: Is any of the DLC's worth getting or is this all more or less cosmetic stuff?

imo, the content stuff (ie: what you get with the season pass) is worth it. And I've had fun with the Shark Attack Pack and the FunTime! Pack, with the shark shotgun and the mollusk launcher, respectively (at 50 cents and 75 cents atm).

Finicky

15-07-2012, 07:13 PM

I have never once seen CSS in the Orange Box, and I don't now, heh. But thank you.

I bought the orange box at release way back when and I have css, other than that I only bought hl2 at release before the orange box was out, no idea how else I got css , I could remember wrong:p

edit: Ah I see, originally css was included with half life 2 and then later it was sold seperately and no longer included.
You're shit out of luck then, I would never pay 10 euros for css seperately, it is far inferior to cs 1.6.

sabrage

15-07-2012, 07:21 PM

Really? Really?

Ho man, you are going to have so much fun.
Given the preponderance of other shit to do in the game, I just never stopped to think about the actual shooting mechanics.

fiddlesticks

15-07-2012, 07:23 PM

A few years ago there was a package containing Counter Strike: Source, Halh-Life 2: Deathmatch and Day of Defeat: Source. I don't think CS:S was ever bundled with HL2 though.

Speaking of packages, I have a quick question concerning the Square Enix Collection. If I buy it, do I get to decide which games I want to keep for my own account and which games I'd like to gift someone else or is it an all-or-nothing deal? The reason I ask is because I don't really care about the Tomb Raider series, so I want to give those games away to someone who's actually interested in playing them, rather than having them sit unused on my account forever.

Also, I second Tritagonist's recommendation of Hitman: Blood Money. Definitely the best Hitman game and one of the best games I've ever played. Not to mention it currently costs less than my dinner did.

johnki

15-07-2012, 07:25 PM

Speaking of packages, I have a quick question concerning the Square Enix Collection. If I buy it, do I get to decide which games I want to keep for my own account and which games I'd like to gift someone else or is it an all-or-nothing deal? The reason I ask is because I don't really care about the Tomb Raider series, so I want to give those games away to someone who's actually interested in playing them, rather than having them sit unused on my account forever.
All or nothing and on top of that, if you own anything already, the copy from the collection falls into the ether.

A few years ago there was a package containing Counter Strike: Source, Halh-Life 2: Deathmatch and Day of Defeat: Source. I don't think CS:S was ever bundled with HL2 though. http://store.steampowered.com/sub/42/

That? Yeah, that's a little more than I planned on spending. I'd sooner buy just CSS for $10 a piece, considering I'd probably never touch the others.

Is CS1.6 that much better than CSS though? I was going to get CSS because in the event either of the PCs has an issue, it could still be played on the Mac, but if CS1.6 is that much better (and half the price), might not be worth that extra layer of compatibility.

EDIT: Post below...

That said, if any offer doesn't explicitly mentions that you can keep any spare copies, you won't. I wonder if that is actually legal but that's how it is right now.It probably is, sadly, if only because of how few laws regulating digital sales there are right now. I haven't bought any of the collections yet even though they have massive savings because I'm terrified of that happening. That and the "complete collections" that used to have everything (the Eidos/Square-Enix pack in particular last year was incredible, if out of my price range :/) are absent this year.

Anthile

15-07-2012, 07:29 PM

That said, if any offer doesn't explicitly mentions that you can keep any spare copies, you won't. I wonder if that is actually legal but that's how it is right now.

Gilead

15-07-2012, 07:46 PM

A few years ago there was a package containing Counter Strike: Source, Halh-Life 2: Deathmatch and Day of Defeat: Source. I don't think CS:S was ever bundled with HL2 though.

It was. The original boxed version of HL2 I got had Counterstrike: Source in it, along with Ricochet, I think.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 07:46 PM

That said, if any offer doesn't explicitly mentions that you can keep any spare copies, you won't. I wonder if that is actually legal but that's how it is right now.
Yeah they'd probably be screwed if someone dragged them to the ECJ over it. But that's a bit too much effort for a 3-euro computer game.

Anyway, can anyone give me some words of wisdom on Mount & Blade? Any version really, they're all on sale.

PeteC

15-07-2012, 07:47 PM

Regarding SR3: Is any of the DLC's worth getting or is this all more or less cosmetic stuff?

I've had fun playing through the Genki stuff, Trouble with Clones and especially Gangstas in Space.

Henke

15-07-2012, 07:48 PM

Any chance of The Walking Dead dropping to less than 40% off by the end?
I doubt it, since it's in a Daily Deal. I went ahead and got it anyway. Also bought the MS Flight DLC pack today.

edit: also: Serious Sam 3 or The Darkness 2? Which one do I buy RPS? They both look... pretty good.

johnki

15-07-2012, 07:54 PM

Anyway, can anyone give me some words of wisdom on Mount & Blade? Any version really, they're all on sale.
I found it really hard to get used to mounted combat, but I loved the first game. It was really open, freeform, and had a unique combat system. I've heard Warband is a hell of a lot better, and has multiplayer, going so far as to include a multiplayer siege mode, which sounds just plain awesome.

I've heard mixed stuff about With Fire and Sword. I think it really depends how much interest you have in that period of time. A someone that has played one of them, I can imagine that the addition of early guns sure would change it. Then there's the fact that there's the Napoleonic Wars which (I am pretty sure) adds much of the same content to what's considered the "superior game" in a different setting (I'd assume France vs what I think is Poland).

Though for the price, you could do much worse than get the whole collection. :)

trjp

15-07-2012, 08:03 PM

Though for the price, you could do much worse than get the whole collection. :)

Bit of a waste - unless you're mod-mad you don't need the original game at all as Warband improves it in every possible way.

Whether you want the Napoleonic Addon is upto you - Fire and Sword is an Expandalone which isn't that highly rated anyway.

So arguably, get Warband and you'll be happy!?

Bleekill

15-07-2012, 08:23 PM

Also, I second Tritagonist's recommendation of Hitman: Blood Money. Definitely the best Hitman game and one of the best games I've ever played. Not to mention it currently costs less than my dinner did.

Costs less than my coffee did. I got Hitman 2, since I already played Blood Money to death earlier this year. I played Hitman 2 some at a friends house on xbox back in the day but I'm excited to play through it fully.

Yes Warband is awesome. No need to get the first M&B. I put a ton of time into both but that was just because I got the original way before Warband came out. I have Fire and Sword but that age just isnt as interesting to me. It seems more challenging to stay alive in though. Fucking gunpowder.

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 08:25 PM

I doubt it, since it's in a Daily Deal. I went ahead and got it anyway.

Yeah, probably wishful thinking considering it hasn't even been fully released. I'm hoping to see some more desirable games in the flash sale section, but that might not happen.

Sketch

15-07-2012, 08:25 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 08:36 PM

Well Dirt 3 is well fun so far. Not sure if I am just naturally awesome at it or if it is easy. Looks nice too. Shame online is dead.

trjp

15-07-2012, 08:39 PM

Well Dirt 3 is well fun so far. Not sure if I am just naturally awesome at it or if it is easy. Looks nice too. Shame online is dead.

Do all the Gymkhana events - find EVERY stunt - get the max bracket scores - and you're good at it for sure :)

Just opening stuff up is easy - actually getting good scores (at least Gold everywhere) is a bit harder.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 08:41 PM

It's a shame they never released Contracts on Steam, that's probably the best one of all - it's not as easy as Blood Money, but still far more playable than Silent Assassin, whose guards make it pretty much a dud to play now.

Not sure I'd agree with you there, Contracts was good but I wouldn't say it was better than Blood Money. I haven't played Silent Assassin in years so I can't comment, maybe I'll usher it to the front of my backlog though and find out but I remember loving it intensely back when it came out on PS2.

Well Dirt 3 is well fun so far. Not sure if I am just naturally awesome at it or if it is easy. Looks nice too. Shame online is dead.

I'm sorry to say but I think it's the latter, when I started out I was winning first time on every stage but later on I did have to run through the stages once to get an idea of what was required. It does get a little tougher at least, maybe a lot tougher, I'm only about halfway through I believe. Also if you're contemplating DLC, I only have the Monte Carlo stages but they are really, really good.

Oh and trjp says, the gymkhana events get tricky, I have to admit I enabled that stunt assist mode thing on the last one I did.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 08:44 PM

Well I am determined to get through this game as I have not finished a racing game since Sega Rally Championship back on the Sega Saturn. I loved Project gotham on the xbox but always seem to taper off when I get to the performance cars. Tried many races but find when they get too hard for me I lose interest.

Sakkura

15-07-2012, 08:58 PM

So arguably, get Warband and you'll be happy!?

Yes Warband is awesome. No need to get the first M&B. I put a ton of time into both but that was just because I got the original way before Warband came out. I have Fire and Sword but that age just isnt as interesting to me. It seems more challenging to stay alive in though. Fucking gunpowder.
Warband it is. Thanks for the info. Hope it gets me even more excited for War of the Roses. :)

TechnoJellyfish

15-07-2012, 09:03 PM

imo, the content stuff (ie: what you get with the season pass) is worth it. And I've had fun with the Shark Attack Pack and the FunTime! Pack, with the shark shotgun and the mollusk launcher, respectively (at 50 cents and 75 cents atm).

I've had fun playing through the Genki stuff, Trouble with Clones and especially Gangstas in Space.

In which way do they get integrated? Does it conflict with the story if I already progressed a bit in the campaign?

Thx both of you!

Sketch

15-07-2012, 09:05 PM

Not sure I'd agree with you there, Contracts was good but I wouldn't say it was better than Blood Money. I haven't played Silent Assassin in years so I can't comment, maybe I'll usher it to the front of my backlog though and find out but I remember loving it intensely back when it came out on PS2.

Don't get me wrong, SA and Blood Money are both great games, but SA has really, really strict AI now, even wearing a disguise that gives all access causes alerts, it's got great levels, but the AI make it too difficult to really play in an experimental way. Blood Money is also good, it's just way, way too easy. Pushing a target down 1 step is a kill for some reason, and the AI is really silly and will never blow you're cover unless you do something completely obvious. Contracts has a nice balance of suspicion and allowing you to go past, to make each time you go past a guard nervewracking, but not infuriating.

Nalano

15-07-2012, 09:06 PM

In which way do they get integrated? Does it conflict with the story if I already progressed a bit in the campaign?

Thx both of you!

No, they don't conflict at all.

F. Lynx Pardinus

15-07-2012, 09:07 PM

Not to mention it currently costs less than my dinner did.
If I could go back in time and tell my much younger self that in the future, my computer will be connected to a company near Seattle (yes, kinda like a modem but better), and that company would transfer fantastic games to my computer for less than the price of dinner, my younger self would try to kill me and take my place in the future.

LTK

15-07-2012, 09:08 PM

I doubt it, since it's in a Daily Deal. I went ahead and got it anyway. Also bought the MS Flight DLC pack today.

edit: also: Serious Sam 3 or The Darkness 2? Which one do I buy RPS? They both look... pretty good.
Serious Sam 3 is a near-constant adrenaline rush with over-the-top weapons, enemies, number of enemies, carnage, and ham. The greatest thing about it is the challenge of pitting one badass motherfucker against an interstellar army of monstrosities. Also the greatest thing is putting the last of many, many bullets in the last of many, many enemies and listening to the following silence of the blood-soaked battlefield, and thinking "I seriously just did that."

The Darkness 2 is a comic-book gore-tastic power fantasy that lets you murder mobsters and cultists in increasingly elaborate and creative ways with either a pair of demonic tentacles or by dual-wielding submachine guns, or all four. The greatest thing about it is not the aforementioned murder-palooza, but the fact that the game is self-conscious enough that it regularly asks you "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"

If you ask me, the choice comes down to whether you prefer your murderfest with atmosphere and story (Darkness 2) or its challenge and arcade-ness (Serious Sam 3).

gundato

15-07-2012, 09:13 PM

Well, I'm happy. Got Walking Dead.

Henke

15-07-2012, 09:26 PM

Thanks for the write-up LTK! :)

I gotta say, both of them sound pretty sweet. I might just end up getting both, though I'm leaning slightly more towards Darkness 2 at the moment.

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 09:27 PM

Ok, Flash deal: Killing floor, Qube, Vessel and ???

Im getting annoyed that I only see 3 deals since yesterday. Never notice that there alot of game thats not available in my region. :S

Also, anyone have problem putting the games they bought in their inventory? I cant seem to purchase using that method. But when I put it directly in my library I didnt encounter any problem..

Leopig

15-07-2012, 09:30 PM

I am torn about The Darkness. I love Mike Patton and I love murdering people but it just looks so god damn Emo.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 09:31 PM

Giaddon

15-07-2012, 09:34 PM

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 09:37 PM

Microsoft Flight

yup a bit of an anti climax to say the least.

Thanks for the info. Fortunately not my cup of tea.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 09:39 PM

Mine neither. Takes the piss when they shoe-horn free to play titles into their spectacular sales.

But hey, I best not criticise St Gabe lest I be stoned. (and not in the Scouse sense of the word).

mnemnoch

15-07-2012, 09:46 PM

Lol!

Im waiting for the Alien Swarm to be featured in community deal. :D

hariseldon

15-07-2012, 09:50 PM

If I could go back in time and tell my much younger self that in the future, my computer will be connected to a company near Seattle (yes, kinda like a modem but better), and that company would transfer fantastic games to my computer for less than the price of dinner, my younger self would try to kill me and take my place in the future.

We do truly live in a golden age of gaming.

LTK

15-07-2012, 09:59 PM

Lol!

Im waiting for the Alien Swarm to be featured in community deal. :D
Didn't you just make that joke a few pages ago?

Ravelle

15-07-2012, 10:13 PM

Still hoping for Skyrim to be around 10 bucks. :L

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 10:14 PM

Welp, The Walking Dead took the top sale spot at 40% off, so there's little incentive for them to drop it any lower. I guess it's purchase time.

The JG Man

15-07-2012, 10:20 PM

Hitman: Bloody Money. Fantastic title, very fun, very engrossing, very satisfying.

http://youtu.be/0wok3XScRMo

Very sky fuckin' high.

I haven't played SS3 yet, but I have completed SS First Encounter, started Second Encounter and can highly recommend them.

Sketch

15-07-2012, 10:21 PM

It's worth noting that anyone who hasn't played Blood Money - don't be put off by the first level, the rest of the game is nothing like that.

Universal Hamster

15-07-2012, 10:28 PM

That's the most entertaining walkthrough I've ever seen.

Ravelle

15-07-2012, 10:28 PM

It's worth noting that anyone who hasn't played Blood Money - don't be put off by the first level, the rest of the game is nothing like that.

What put me off was the way enemies died, as if they were made out of paper.

cowthief skank

15-07-2012, 10:45 PM

Mine neither. Takes the piss when they shoe-horn free to play titles into their spectacular sales.

Considering how bloody expensive the DLC is, I'm not sure why. Over £35 normally for the whole set, I was glad to get the bits I wanted at a massive discount. Wasn't gonna buy them otherwise.

alms

15-07-2012, 10:49 PM

Very sky fuckin' high.

Why this video is called a Let's Play is quite beyond me.

The JG Man

15-07-2012, 10:50 PM

He commentates a walkthrough of how to play the game? Makes sense to me calling that a Let's Play.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 11:00 PM

The JG Man

15-07-2012, 11:02 PM

My understanding of Hot Pursuit is that yes, it's the best NFS for some time (possibly until the new Most Wanted in a few months). I played it on the 360 and it was fantastic, I can only imagine how much more fun it is to play at 60fps. The screenshot thread regularly highlights it looks damn pretty too.

hariseldon

15-07-2012, 11:03 PM

Was umming and ahhing on the Magicka flash sale (I know it's been on sale a bazillion times) and finally bought it, and my god it's good fun. Can't wait to get into some co-op with it!

gundato

15-07-2012, 11:05 PM

Guys, I looked through the entire catalogue scouring for games under £12 that I might like, and I've decided I really want a WWII flight sim/authentic combat game type thing. Between Battlestations (I'm guessing Pacific is the best one (despite Midway getting a slightly better Metacritic score)?), IL-2 (again, guessing Cliffs of Dover is better than 1946?), Blazing Angels and Wings of Prey, which should I lavish my attention and money on? Or should I be waiting for World of Warplanes? In fact, wasn't there a P-51 Mustang mod for DCS: A-10C? I saw something about it while trawling their forum trying to get the game to launch.

I really have no idea about this genre though so some gentle pushes in the right direction would be lovely.

Also while I'm asking;
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit, this is meant to be better than Undercover and The Run, right? And finally, Lego Star Wars Saga; does it make Lego Star Wars Episode III redundant or is that new stuff not included in the Saga which supposedly spans all Star Wars games? I'm not that bothered about any of these games, just asking for future reference or in case they come up in a sale for a nice enough price.

BAD! Do not rely on metacritic. Instead, find a reviewer you like and read their reviews. Many games get shifts to their scores based on hype and the like, and many reviewers don't really follow the 100-point scale.

As far as Il-2 goes, 1946 is still the best one. Cliffs of Dover has potential, but I believe there are still performance bugs and the like to be worked out. Also, Il-2 is available at GoG DRM free if you roll that way.

And anything for a DCS game is going to be hyper-hardcore realistic.

Personally, I suggest Il-2 1946 as a "first flight sim" for anyone wanting a combat oriented game with dogfighting. IL-2 allows you to customize the realism settings to range from very arcadey to "the only thing more realistic is a DCS game". And there are some nice mods out there that realy improve visual quality and gameplay (I love cranking up the amount of AA fire to the point that I can use all the shells as a runway).

Leopig

15-07-2012, 11:07 PM

Battlestations Pacific is a bloody good game. Just think BF 1942 without infantry and you can switch between each unit in the press of a button. Keep an eye on gamersgate and getgames as they have them on offer frequently.

Regarding the community choice for the first time this year I already have all three titles (GTA IV, JC2 and DS2) Personally I would go with GTAIV then DS2 then JC2. All good games but for longevity Story + Action > Story > Action

Need for speed Hot Pursuit is ok to start but soon becomes apparent no matter how far ahead you are, the people behind you will catch up like they are attached to rubber bands. Get's old quick. If you want a racer get DirT 2 for £3.75 on steam.

Track

15-07-2012, 11:15 PM

I'm debating over getting Cities XL. I've been looking for a city builder for a while, and the price is decent, but i've heard about so many issues with it (or, at least, with previous years' editions of it) that i'm not quite convinced. I'll have to look more into it.

Oh, and new community sale is up. Dead Space 2, Just Cause 2, GTA IV. Personally i'm hoping for GTA IV, as thats been one that i've been looking at since day 1, though if Just Cause 2 wins I might just give it a shot (is that the one with the grappling hook that I remember getting good reviews? I remember something with a grappling hook. Or perhaps a lack of a grappling hook. I've read about so many games via RPS that i've started to loose track of them all).

fiddlesticks

15-07-2012, 11:15 PM

All or nothing and on top of that, if you own anything already, the copy from the collection falls into the ether.
Thanks for the reply, that's a real shame. I was hoping I could gift my extra copies of Deus Ex and Hitman: Blood Money to a friend. I'll probably still end up buying the pack though, there are some real gems in there.

That? Yeah, that's a little more than I planned on spending. I'd sooner buy just CSS for $10 a piece, considering I'd probably never touch the others.
That's the one I was thinking of. I remember buying it in a local game store about five years ago. As for your question, the biggest difference between Counter Strike 1.6 and Source, aside from the graphics obviously, are the smaller hitboxes and the stronger recoil on weapons. The former also has a higher entry barrier, as the only people who still play 1.6 these days are those who've been playing it for years. There are some additional gameplay differences, but they're fairly subtle and not really noticeable unless you're playing on a very high level.

I'd like to point out that Counter Strike: Global Offensive is scheduled to be released (http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2012/06/june-11th-update/) on August 21st and supposedly combines the best aspects of both games. So if you don't mind waiting and paying a bit more this could also be an option.

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 11:18 PM

JC2: 158 hours played, 62% complete. No problem with longevity there. (I came back to it after a year off and fell in love all over again.) One of my favorite games of all time. Hopefully the upcoming multiplayer mod gives new players an incentive to pick it up.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 11:19 PM

Thank you very much indeed:

The JG Man, I'm now prepared for a NFS franchise sale or something of the sort, £10 is a touch too much but below that and I might just fork out for HP.

gundato, I wasn't going on Metacritic scores, I did say that I presume Pacific is the better game despite scoring lower, mainly because I figured that as it's newer I won't run into (as many) issues getting it to run on my modern machine. It looks like I might have to pick up IL-2 1946 if I still have £7 rattling around on day 11 (doesn't seem likely it'll see a better offer than -33%, really).

And Leopig, I had seen GamersGate offering Battlestations for cheap but just kind of ignored it for some reason. I think I might've played an old Battlestations game a long time ago and got confused and gave up, but I was young and stupid back then. Also I sort of agree on your assessment of the community choice but I'd personally put JC2 at the front, mainly because there's a demo for people to try and if they like what they play then there's easily over 100 hours of the same should anyone be masochistic enough to try and 100% it. Also I think anyone interested will have GTA IV already, I'm sure it was on Steam for £5 with the Episodes before but I could be making that all the way up.

Wings of Prey, though; worth £2.50? I'm downloading a demo but it won't be done until the morning.

vinraith

15-07-2012, 11:22 PM

Leopig

15-07-2012, 11:25 PM

NFS The Run is currently £9.99 on origins summer sale. I have not played it, but hear it hasnt got the same infuriating rubber banding that Hot pursuit has.

apricotsoup

15-07-2012, 11:27 PM

Regarding SR3: Is any of the DLC's worth getting or is this all more or less cosmetic stuff?

Imo the gangstas in space dlc was good, but I wouldn't be that fussed about the others too much.
The other 2 bits of content dlc were ok but nothing more than that.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 11:27 PM

I never could figure out what people saw in JC2. It's gorgeous, but it's a completely empty sandbox. There's nothing to do but knock over the same buildings and shoot the same guys over and over again. Mercenaries it ain't.

I agree. Even a cheat mode may had made it more exciting. But the fact you have to grind money to even use the 'good stuff' you pay real world money for in DLC is just fucking daft. Then again the original JC was just as dull. Technically god and very pretty, just very very dull.

Leopig

15-07-2012, 11:28 PM

Imo the gangstas in space dlc was good, but I wouldn't be that fussed about the others too much.
The other 2 bits of content dlc were ok but nothing more than that.

I found once you finish the story, much like Skyrim, the interest in the game really drops off. But damn the main game of SR3 is very good and I feel I got my moneys worth.

Wheelz

15-07-2012, 11:28 PM

I can reccomend Serious Sam 2 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/204340/) at it's current price. It was my first experiece with Serious Sam, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. There's plenty of map variety and it's got all the trademark guns and humour from the other SS games. It's also pretty fun in co-op from memory.

alms

15-07-2012, 11:29 PM

He commentates a walkthrough of how to play the game? Makes sense to me calling that a Let's Play.

Seeing as a walkthrough is something aimed at a player who's already plenty familiar the game to the point of turning to the internet to save time, I can't see how it can serve equally well viewers who are just about to discover a game they may or may not know something about. Pace is the trick.

The JG Man

15-07-2012, 11:32 PM

That clip was a way into the Let's Play; players will already be familiar with the game at that point. It is, however, one of the most entertaining simply because of its content, as well as showing off the various parts to the game so someone can see what it's about. What through them, it's a really comprehensive series.

neema_t

15-07-2012, 11:33 PM

I agree. Even a cheat mode may had made it more exciting. But the fact you have to grind money to even use the 'good stuff' you pay real world money for in DLC is just fucking daft. Then again the original JC was just as dull. Technically god and very pretty, just very very dull.

There are mods that let you buy any vehicle or weapon (including, I think, DLC even if you haven't bought it) for nothing, also some that give you a massive grapple hook range and the ability to attach more than one line to things. The game is really as exciting as you want it to be (meaning you could just take a helicopter and go from A to B, or you could take a helicopter, strap a car to the bottom of it, climb as high as you can and then try to get in the car as it plummets back to Earth, probably ending in a huge explosion of both car and helicopter), there's not really anything else out there with such a huge world, the abilities the grappling hook gives you and so on. The multiplayer mod may even make it the new Day Z in terms of 'oh my god this mod is so good everyone must go and buy JC2 immediately', I think JC2 would've been just incredible and probably still a widely-played game had it had multiplayer to begin with, just like GTA IV.

I don't know, I have a lot of love for JC2, but even I have to admit that once the novelty has worn off it's pretty dull. It's just a question of how long that novelty will last for the individual playing it, really.

alms

15-07-2012, 11:44 PM

http://i.imgur.com/1HWl6.png

Whoa, that's really flash.

johnki

15-07-2012, 11:46 PM

I'd like to point out that Counter Strike: Global Offensive is scheduled to be released (http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2012/06/june-11th-update/) on August 21st and supposedly combines the best aspects of both games. So if you don't mind waiting and paying a bit more this could also be an option.
First off, thanks for the comparison. So CSS has stronger recoil and smaller hitboxes? Or the other way around?

I had thought about waiting for CSGO but considering I don't even know if I like CS at all, I wanted to get one of the older ones super cheap first.

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Whoa, that's really flash.Ah, Steam. Your initialization issues will never get old. :P

Sketch

15-07-2012, 11:47 PM

vinraith

15-07-2012, 11:49 PM

http://i.imgur.com/1HWl6.png

Whoa, that's really flash.

And now it's gone, so it really was!

TheDreamlord

15-07-2012, 11:53 PM

I actually think JC2 works best in the missions, dicking around and doing what you like is a lot of fun for sure, but I really find when it gives you a goal or some slight structure to mess around with it really works well. Completing a mission in some insane way or something. Either way, it's a great game that just requires some imagination.

Exactly. I think JC2 is an amazing game that puts you in the driving seat. You really have so many choices on how to play it. I spent many hours just chasing totems and shit, if only so I can tick boxes, but the locations, badies avoidance, firefights and so on just kept me entertained. I guess after the first 50 hours or so it gets repetitive, but the story missions are ok, and if you put it aside for a few months and come back to it, you are again in for a treat. Totally recommended, one of my fav games of all time!

trjp

15-07-2012, 11:53 PM

NFS The Run is currently £9.99 on origins summer sale. I have not played it, but hear it hasnt got the same infuriating rubber banding that Hot pursuit has.

It has - it matters a bit less because it's basically an old-school (start in Nth place and make up X places before the finish line) racer - so the cars you pass are really just moving chicanes and success is more about raw speed - but it's definately there.

internetonsetadd

15-07-2012, 11:57 PM

Disagree wholeheartedly on JC2. Completing the non-mission bases can be repetitive, but if you're bored of one biome, island-hop to another, and if you're bored of taking them on by land, take to the sky, sea, or queue up a race challenge. There's a never-ending stream of things to do, and that stream lasts a very long time. The story campaign could certainly be longer, but the faction missions offer a very respectable amount of variety.

Where the game shines, of course, is in the stunts. JC2 lets you play the unbelievable action hero in the worst big budget movie you could possibly imagine. This is not a film genre I enjoy; however, being the action hero here is immensely fun. The sense of speed and constant movement is exhilarating, and the controls are tight. I can't look at a jet in a game anymore without wanting to hijack it in mid-flight. With just the BOLOPatch mod, it's definitely one of the best sandbox playground experiences out there.

I think I have some 5 million in cash saved up, and I never spend it. Since your vehicles are going to get destroyed pretty quickly, it's far more enjoyable to just jack everything. Some of the DLC vehicles are fun, but I rarely use them. There are also plenty of cheat mods if you want everything to be free, but since you earn plenty of money just by completing areas, I don't see the point.

Beyond that, Panau is a vibrant locale with a frequently hilarious dictator. There are some elements of satire in there as well, focused both on the North Korea-style dictator and the regime change-happy intelligence agency.

All I want from JC3 is more of everything. I played some of Just Cause, and it's extremely loose and sloppy in comparison.

TillEulenspiegel

15-07-2012, 11:57 PM

there's not really anything else out there with such a huge world, the abilities the grappling hook gives you and so on.
Yeah. Switch it to easy and JC2 is a nice relaxation game where you get to mess around and blow stuff up. And you get a small sense of accomplishment for clearing an area. It's far from a perfect game, but there's not much else out there which fills that niche well.

F. Lynx Pardinus

16-07-2012, 12:02 AM

Switch it to easy
Yes, yes, definitely yes. When I bought it, I played on normal and was "Meh." When I tried to stop outside the box, I would get slaughtered. I gave up on the game after a while. Then I followed someone's advice a few months later to try it on easy. So, so much more fun. Go crazy, fly around the world, and blow it all up.
I normally like story-based, structured games, so I surprised myself by liking JC2.