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Heliocentric
05-09-2012, 04:36 PM
Note: This thread is for gleeful mocking of publishers reputations as evil.

It used to be EA closing downgbeloved developers, Activision had a good go at being the most money hungry, Nintendo sold the most plastic, paradox probably has the most dlc and ubisoft seemed to hold the evil crown with their drm.

I'll add a poll later but does anyone have suggestions?

Voon
05-09-2012, 04:42 PM
Micro$oft, mang. What more can I say?

Rauten
05-09-2012, 04:53 PM
Paradox the most DLC? Man, THQ.

gundato
05-09-2012, 05:15 PM
Yay... a thread that exists to do nothing but bash crap. No way that won't end well...

I miss the days when people actually ENJOYED gaming. Rather than think "Is this a bad publisher, should I hate the game" people should instead say "Is this game worth the hassle?". And handle things on a game by game basis. Those publishers consist of a bunch of different studios, and each dev studio has their own approaches.
Some can handle the pressure of the publisher (Infinity Ward, back before the exodus, comes to mind) and some can't (Arguably Bioware these days, definitely Obsidian) and THAT makes more of a difference than who is signing their paychecks.

Hell, take a look at SC: Double Agent. Okay, now go cry for a while. You done? There were two major versions, each made by a different dev studio under Ubi. The one for PC (and I think next-gen?) was garbage, plain and simple. The other one (old-gen/PS2?) was actually fairly warmly received. It wasn't great, but it was still fun. Both were published by Ubi, both were radically different games (to the point that there are even some plot discrepancies).

Feldspar
05-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Thinking of one publisher as being "the most evil" is only the correct hat to wear for a short while, then someone else will do something nefarious and we can all go and hate them instead for a while. I only have so much bile and tend to save it for things that inconvenience me personally, right now this includes no games companies, but I have a feeling that a certain printer at work will be getting the full force of my ire before the end of the week.

Tikey
05-09-2012, 05:28 PM
Don't forget Rockstar's exploitation of its employees.

Heliocentric
05-09-2012, 05:28 PM
This thread is meant to be purely lighthearted jest, but people are to take it how they see it. I played last gen double agent on wii, was excellent except saving and loading is bugged so you need to iron man it in one sitting. Double agent pc had corpses floating into the sky and bugged doors that cannot be interacted with.

Hey! I call off topic.

Colonel J
05-09-2012, 06:33 PM
On a lighter note then.

Since long before I or (anyone probably) knew what DRM even meant and I had any opinion on game publishing, EA have always got my back up. And this mostly for no rational reason, it's because of that 'EA Sports - It's In the Game' start-up logo and a voice. On a good day in a sunny mood it would make me think 'EA..your whole company, you are a bunch of dicks' and a on bad one would make me want to put my foot through the screen. Hammer escape key, hammer the start button, just avoid that fucking voice. My every encounter with their brand, whatever it is, is now tarnished by this. Bastards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0MjH05iliI

Heliocentric
05-09-2012, 07:24 PM
whatever it is, is now tarnished by this. Bastards.
Challenge everything really got my back up.

Nalano
05-09-2012, 07:30 PM
Nobody mentioned Apple?

Really?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouxiyB4qgw

LTK
05-09-2012, 09:50 PM
Apple? A publisher? Did you forget to wear your contact lenses again?

Given the recent (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119449-EA-Turns-Its-Back-on-Single-Player-Games) news (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/05/ubisoft-scrapping-always-on-drm-for-pc-games/), EA is getting close to dethroning Ubisoft as the most clueless publisher.

random_guy
06-09-2012, 02:45 AM
So hard to choose... I'd say Activision has it by a nose as the most outright 'evil' publisher. EA's evility affects me to a greater degree as they publish more games I want to play, so I dislike them more. I've long seen Ubisoft (until their recent apparent conversion anyway) as that dick that you used to hang out and have fun with before he turned into a dick - ie their dickishness was made worse by the fact that they used to publish games I really liked.

squirrel
06-09-2012, 02:58 AM
As a matter of fact, more evil a publisher is, more you would desire its stock.

If you want to change their behavior, you have to alter the whole system. Executives should not be assessed by their performance in that particular fiscal year. Their policies' long term effect must also be addressed. If they can take credit for introducing "50 cents for an in-game bullet of a shooter" kinda crazy policy, which, while bringing in some quick profit really damn quick, yet killing that once well-built franchise -- after those bastard executives' tours have been completed and them taking away their fat bonuses, with their poor successors there to repair their damages, then I wonder, how should those evil executives make decisions otherwise? You would do the same if you were them. Something so natural.


Nobody mentioned Apple?

Really?



This is how we begin the universe of Ghost in the Shell?!

BTW I really occasionally read news here that some stupid guys really dared to play porno with their smart phones in public venues, only to be arrested at the spot.


Apple? A publisher? Did you forget to wear your contact lenses again?



In my opinion, I also classified Valve as a publisher with their Steam. It plays far beyond the role of just a game distributor. That's how they are able to implement their evil online dependent DRM on most games we play nowadays. Of course, it seems politically incorrect to criticize Valve here though, considering how many fans of Steam are here.

I dont know much about buying MP3 from Apple. If they do much more than just selling audio, then they should also be considered as publisher and be judged accordingly. Of course that's only my opinion. I dont know what Nalano meant though.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 04:29 AM
I dont know much about buying MP3 from Apple. If they do much more than just selling audio, then they should also be considered as publisher and be judged accordingly. Of course that's only my opinion. I dont know what Nalano meant though.

Has nobody heard of an iBook?

NecroKnight
06-09-2012, 07:56 AM
Has everyone forgotten that it's Apple that publishes the games on it's iOS.

TechnicalBen
06-09-2012, 08:44 AM
As a matter of fact, more evil a publisher is, more you would desire its stock.

...

No, the more some people may desire it's stock. Me? No interest. I'll stick to games I like and Devs/Publishers that try not to skin me alive.

NathanH
06-09-2012, 08:51 AM
On a lighter note then.

Since long before I or (anyone probably) knew what DRM even meant and I had any opinion on game publishing, EA have always got my back up. And this mostly for no rational reason, it's because of that 'EA Sports - It's In the Game' start-up logo and a voice. On a good day in a sunny mood it would make me think 'EA..your whole company, you are a bunch of dicks' and a on bad one would make me want to put my foot through the screen. Hammer escape key, hammer the start button, just avoid that fucking voice. My every encounter with their brand, whatever it is, is now tarnished by this. Bastards.

That voice always made me feel ashamed of playing video games. Just about the only thing that has. I can take the association with being a nerd and a loser, sure, not a problem, but association with that voice? Shameful.

christ87
06-09-2012, 09:22 AM
Don't forget Rockstar's exploitation of its employees.

I think i will second that, did you see the infamous "wives" thread?

Scumbag
06-09-2012, 11:32 AM
Valve, for publishing just enough good games for me to want more only for them to hold back and purposefully torture me with the suspense.
Also they made Steam which hypnotizes me with every sale they do to buy buy BUY and never play. Its also DRM so I have to hate it.

NecroKnight
06-09-2012, 01:10 PM
Sony, for suing Geohot. All he wanted is to bring back the ability to run homebrew application and Linux on the PS3. It's Sony's fault that the console was so easily hacked due to it's lousy protection. When someone robs a properly secured bank, it's the robbers fault. When the bank doesn't enforce decent security measures then it's the banks fault.

r3dknight
06-09-2012, 01:19 PM
Hm. EA is too obvious with the sports licensing and heavy buying into studios. They really think they're doing the game industry good by doing so, but it isn't. The constant bloating of costs and marketing ads are actually costing more than what they made (IIRC despite the big success of BF3, they lost a chunk of it to marketing). And they cannot stop raping a dead franchise's corpse like Ultima and kept giving us spiritual successors to a zombie IP like Syndicate - the result a complete abomination that the media still considers a 'good game.'

I totally look forward to playing X-Com as a first person shooter that was restricted to turn based squad simulation due to the limitation of technologies in the 90s.

Sparkasaurusmex
06-09-2012, 03:29 PM
I can overlook corporations being evil since I feel helpless against it, but EA has really irked me because I'm still playing Madden 2008. Madden 2013 even has a mode that allows you to change lineups and settings over the internet...on a computer... but not even a hint of any new Madden games for PC. Now I wouldn't mind so much if there was another NFL game I could buy, but EA have an exclusive license, which they renew whenever it expires.

I realize that's of little concern to Brits or many PC gamers, but it effects my gaming life more than Activision's ruining of Blizzard or EA's Origin/F2P/EULA shenanigans.

magnus1969
06-09-2012, 03:32 PM
Valve, for not publishing just enough good games for me to want more only for them to hold back and purposefully torture me with the suspense.
Also they made Steam which hypnotizes me with every sale they do to buy buy BUY and never play. Its also DRM so I have to hate it.
At last a 'steam is evil' quote that made me LOL.

Jesus_Phish
06-09-2012, 03:33 PM
EA do that with a lot of sports, which is why for years (and possibly still the case) Pro Evo games couldn't feature the real football teams, players etc etc.

I'd be more mad at EA's Madden becauses Segas football games were much better and less arcade-y. The pitch was longer and it was more of a challenge to pull off those really big plays which made them all the better.

LTK
06-09-2012, 03:42 PM
Has nobody heard of an iBook?
Nope. So Apple publishes books, then? Doesn't seem very relevant when the implicit question was which video game publisher is the most evil.


Has everyone forgotten that it's Apple that publishes the games on its iOS.
I did forget about that, yeah. There's a big difference though. Without those evil publishers, many big-budget PC games would never get made. Does Apple pay mobile developers' wages so that they can produce the next Angry Birds? I don't think so. (Do tell me if they do.)

To illustrate: if EA is a wealthy American magnate who buys a sports team and sells tickets to their matches to make a profit, then Apple is an Aztec god-king who expects piles and piles of tribute at the foot of his matte aluminum throne every day, some of which he deems worthy enough to be thrown to his servants in exchange for a paltry sum of gold.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 03:49 PM
Without those evil publishers, many mediocre, derivative, over-hyped annual beatings of dead horses would never get made.

I fixed your post for you.

Cooper
06-09-2012, 03:53 PM
EA bought Bullfrog and then quickly dissolved it.

They then used their IP rights over Dungeon Keeper to create this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hSKhcDAWhY

Nalano
06-09-2012, 03:54 PM
EA bought Bullfrog and then quickly dissolved it.

They then used their IP rights over Dungeon Keeper to create this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hSKhcDAWhY

Don't forget Syndicate. BECAUSE WE NEED ANOTHER FIVE HOUR CAMPAIGN LINEAR SHOOTER

Sketch
06-09-2012, 04:18 PM
I think i will second that, did you see the infamous "wives" thread?

I thought there was no evidence to back this up? Certainly nothing came of the investigation, if I remember.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 04:28 PM
I thought there was no evidence to back this up? Certainly nothing came of the investigation, if I remember.

In that there was no spontaneous unionization in Silicon Valley, sure. However, the class action lawsuit was settled (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9051#.UEjBR41lRIU) for $14.9 million in unpaid overtime for engineers alongside another suit for $15.6 million for artists.

Sketch
06-09-2012, 04:44 PM
14.9? I thought it was about 2.5 million. Certainly nowhere near that much.

r3dknight
06-09-2012, 05:01 PM
EA bought Bullfrog and then quickly dissolved it.

They then used their IP rights over Dungeon Keeper to create this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hSKhcDAWhY

That video.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/829607/funny/shocked.gif

Oozing with class and originality.
You MUST skip to 4:00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hSKhcDAWhY&feature=player_embedded#t=232s)

LTK
06-09-2012, 05:39 PM
I fixed your post for you.
Better than iPhone games.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 06:33 PM
14.9? I thought it was about 2.5 million. Certainly nowhere near that much.

http://cdn2.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/themoreyouknow.jpg

Kadayi
06-09-2012, 06:53 PM
In that there was no spontaneous unionization in Silicon Valley, sure. However, the class action lawsuit was settled (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9051#.UEjBR41lRIU) for $14.9 million in unpaid overtime for engineers alongside another suit for $15.6 million for artists.

That news is from 2006. Last time I checked we were in 2012.

mickygor
06-09-2012, 06:57 PM
That publisher Kickstarter for all the failed promises it brings from the future.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 06:59 PM
That news is from 2006. Last time I checked we were in 2012.

I answered a question. What's wrong with you?

Kadayi
06-09-2012, 07:16 PM
I answered a question. What's wrong with you?

I'm just pointing out a pertinent fact. There comes a point where the axe grinding starts to feel slightly ridiculous is all.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 07:18 PM
I'm just pointing out a pertinent fact. There comes a point where the axe grinding starts to feel slightly ridiculous is all.

Go away, troll.

Kadayi
06-09-2012, 07:36 PM
Go away, troll.

That's not much of a counterpoint tbh.