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frenz0rz
05-09-2012, 08:42 PM
I realise that there are already a million examples of UK tabloids bashing videogames and that its a problem thats not going to disappear any time soon, but I thought I'd bring this news article to the attention of you fine chaps as its probably the cheapest and most blatant one I've seen. I genuinely thought this was an article on the Daily Mash until I scrolled up and realised, yep, its the Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4522119/Coroner-issues-Call-of-Duty-warning-as-teenager-hangs-himself.html


A coroner has warned parents to keep a close eye on the computer games their children play after a schoolboy hanged himself after playing Call of Duty.

Callum Green, 14, regularly played the Certificate 18 game with his stepfather despite it featuring graphically realistic scenes of soldiers carrying out gruesome killings.

The teenager then began telling his 13-year old girlfriend how he wanted to run away from home and have a baby with her.

After being grounded by his mother following a row he was found hanging by his school tie from his metal framed bunk bed.

Apparently these three sentances are somehow related. The Sun does not elaborate how.

Hmm.

Hypernetic
05-09-2012, 09:08 PM
Who the fuck is the coroner to warn parents of anything in the first place?

Lukasz
05-09-2012, 09:21 PM
Who the fuck is the coroner to warn parents of anything in the first place?

i second that. What authority does he have to say anything that problem?

NecroKnight
05-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Just read the RPS article on this matter, everything is much beater explained there. As for what the coroner said, I think it's taken out of context and blown out of proportions. It is a know fact that tabloids like to warp things to their liking.

Raaritsgozilla
05-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Obviously CoD is to blame. Come on guys just admit it

Grizzly
05-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Obviously CoD is to blame. Come on guys just admit it

Yeah! If he actually had played, say... Metro 2033, he would have had a much better outlook on life!

internetonsetadd
05-09-2012, 10:16 PM
When will we learn that metal-framed bunk beds and kids don't mix? The Coroners' Association of Earth has long warned us about this and other dangers in its comprehensive guide on parenting.

frenz0rz
05-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Just read the RPS article on this matter, everything is much beater explained there. As for what the coroner said, I think it's taken out of context and blown out of proportions. It is a know fact that tabloids like to warp things to their liking.

Oh, there was an article? I must have missed it.

*Jogs off to the RPS Features list*

Tres
05-09-2012, 10:38 PM
A coroner has warned parents to keep a close eye on the newspapers their children read after a schoolboy hanged himself after reading The Sun.

Callum Green, 14, regularly read the magazine with his stepfather despite it featuring descriptions gruesome events happening all around the world.

...........................

Nalano
05-09-2012, 10:47 PM
Who the fuck is the coroner to warn parents of anything in the first place?

This. There are very few requirements to be a coroner, and zero sociological or psychological requirements.

Gorzan
05-09-2012, 11:49 PM
Now I'm glad I didn't get a proper gaming system until I was 15, I could've played one of those military shooters leading me to kill myself!

OrangyTang
06-09-2012, 12:29 AM
This. There are very few requirements to be a coroner, and zero sociological or psychological requirements.

Not so:

3. Coroners are independent judicial officers. They are barristers, solicitors or medical practitioners of not less than five years standing (S.2 Coroners Act 1988 (“CA”)). When not engaged in their coronal duties, coroners (other than whole-time coroners) continue in their legal or medical practices. They are required to appoint a deputy and may appoint an assistant deputy to act in their stead if they are out of the district or otherwise unable to act. Deputies and assistant deputies have the same professional qualifications as the coroner.
http://www.coronersociety.org.uk/wfBecomingCoroner.aspx

However I agree that this seems to be an odd thing for the coroner to say. Unfortunately I don't believe there is any way to view the coroner's report without physically going to the appropriate town hall, so I'm going to guess that the Mail is taking something way out of context.

Since there's no direct quote, and since the Mail probably know how awkward it is for someone to hunt down the original source I wouldn't trust it to be reported fairly at all.

soldant
06-09-2012, 12:53 AM
Was going to say, I don't know how the coroner post works over in the US, but here in Australia it's a specialised position usually held by a legal officer. Given how we basically copy whatever the UK does, I'd presume it's similar (and that quote from OrangyTang seems fairly similar to how it works here).

That said I also agree it's a fairly ridiculous thing to say but as Orangy also pointed out we don't have the actual findings so the coroner could have said anything and the Mail could have misrepresented it.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 12:57 AM
Was going to say, I don't know how the coroner post works over in the US, but here in Australia it's a specialised position usually held by a legal officer. Given how we basically copy whatever the UK does, I'd presume it's similar (and that quote from OrangyTang seems fairly similar to how it works here).

Here it's an appointed position, which means pretty much anybody who brownnoses enough.

Gorzan
06-09-2012, 01:13 AM
The article on the main page makes more clear what the coroner actually said, if not completelly clear.

Hypernetic
06-09-2012, 01:19 AM
Has anyone considered that the kid was just trying to get off and accidentally died?

Gorzan
06-09-2012, 01:26 AM
I suppose the Tie was tied to the bunk.

deano2099
06-09-2012, 01:33 AM
I imagine the reason it came up as it had been looked at in the inquest. Presumably they're checking for signs of parental neglect/abuse in this sort of thing, and the parents had been letting him play 18-rated games which was naughty. But the determination was that wasn't a factor, but it had to be mentioned in the summing up precisely to say that it wasn't a factor, which the papers then twist to mean the opposite.

Hypernetic
06-09-2012, 01:36 AM
I imagine the reason it came up as it had been looked at in the inquest. Presumably they're checking for signs of parental neglect/abuse in this sort of thing, and the parents had been letting him play 18-rated games which was naughty. But the determination was that wasn't a factor, but it had to be mentioned in the summing up precisely to say that it wasn't a factor, which the papers then twist to mean the opposite.

I don't know how things work in Euro land, but over here a M rating doesn't mean you have to be 17+ to play the game, it means you have to be 17+ to BUY it. I saw plenty of R rated movies when I was a kid and played *GASP* Mortal Kombat and Doom and I turned out alright.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 02:35 AM
I don't know how things work in Euro land, but over here a M rating doesn't mean you have to be 17+ to play the game, it means you have to be 17+ to BUY it. I saw plenty of R rated movies when I was a kid and played *GASP* Mortal Kombat and Doom and I turned out alright.

Bullshit! You're a maze of all sorts of psychological problems! I don't even know how you get up in the morning!

JackShandy
06-09-2012, 02:45 AM
I remember reading an article about a kid who played guitar hero before committing some horrible act.

Guitar Hero. Really, he must have played no other games in his life.

soldant
06-09-2012, 03:38 AM
Has anyone considered that the kid was just trying to get off and accidentally died?
Auto-erotic asphyxiation? It might have been considered but probably excluded - we don't know the exact circumstances of how the kid was found but I can't imagine it was a likely possibility. Chances are the kid was screwed up and hung himself - the article states he was talking about running away etc, it was probably just a suicide.

Hypernetic
06-09-2012, 04:39 AM
Auto-erotic asphyxiation? It might have been considered but probably excluded - we don't know the exact circumstances of how the kid was found but I can't imagine it was a likely possibility. Chances are the kid was screwed up and hung himself - the article states he was talking about running away etc, it was probably just a suicide.

Or maybe, it was MURDER! DUN DUN DUN!

Mohorovicic
06-09-2012, 06:27 AM
A coroner has warned parents to keep a close eye on the relationships their children have after a schoolboy hanged himself after suggesting teenage pregnancy.

No women, no cry

r3dknight
06-09-2012, 06:37 AM
Here, let me improve the article:



A coroner has warned parents to keep a close eye on fast food their children play after a schoolboy hanged himself after eating at McDonald's

Callum Green, 14, regularly ate at McDonalds with his stepfather despite it featuring unhealthy food made up of processed waste meat and sugary soda drinks.

The teenager then began telling his 13-year old girlfriend how he wanted to run away from home and have a baby with her.

After being grounded by his mother following a row he was found hanging by his school tie from his metal framed bunk bed.





Now, don't go to McDonald's.

Mohorovicic
06-09-2012, 07:30 AM
McRoyal for life, yo.

(Well more like it's only McDonald burger that actually has taste)

NecroKnight
06-09-2012, 08:05 AM
I imagine the reason it came up as it had been looked at in the inquest. Presumably they're checking for signs of parental neglect/abuse in this sort of thing, and the parents had been letting him play 18-rated games which was naughty. But the determination was that wasn't a factor, but it had to be mentioned in the summing up precisely to say that it wasn't a factor, which the papers then twist to mean the opposite.

Read the RPS article, his mother thoroughly controlled what he was playing. His stepfather was the one who let him play CoD.

Drake Sigar
06-09-2012, 08:07 AM
I thought the kid hanged himself with his gaming controller, because that would at least give the coroner's words some context, but apparently it was a school tie. So my question is this - why the fuck did the coroner say something derogatory about a video game in the first place? How do you get to 'Major contusions around the neck and throat, death estimated at around 9pm... oh, and Call of Duty kinda sucks."

It makes no sense, unless he was specifically asked a question about it and coached into giving a derogatory answer which could easily be twisted further. There is surely no other reason for a coroner to mention video games, unless the body is found with a controller around it's neck, or had been blungeoned with a Gamecube.

Unless I'm missing something here. Are cornors also psychologists who are expected to know every facet of a victim? Maybe I've watched too much TV, but it seemed reasonable to assume they purely dealt with the physical and hard evidence.

NathanH
06-09-2012, 08:47 AM
To be fair, the sentiment "pay attention to what your kid is playing" isn't a bad one. It's not the coroner's fault that the UK media hates games and gamers.

Even in the obviously-not-true case that playing CoD contributing to his suicide, I'm not sure that we would have to be too worried. Lots of kids play CoD. I'm sure video games give a small measure of comfort to an awful lot of unhappy teenagers.

TechnicalBen
06-09-2012, 08:49 AM
Yep. It seems "parental neglect" or (I'm not blaming anyone here, so open to how/what happened) "troubled children" is the greatest problem and the sign to look for. The comment on games may have been what signs to look for, not what is the cause. Just as tires are not the cause of flats/accidents, but a flat tire may be the sign of broken glass on the road, and lead to accidents. We'd not ban tires!

Hope the family gets the support and assistance it needs.

r3dknight
06-09-2012, 09:07 AM
I thought the kid hanged himself with his gaming controller, because that would at least give the coroner's words some context, but apparently it was a school tie. So my question is this - why the fuck did the coroner say something derogatory about a video game in the first place? How do you get to 'Major contusions around the neck and throat, death estimated at around 9pm... oh, and Call of Duty kinda sucks."

It makes no sense, unless he was specifically asked a question about it and coached into giving a derogatory answer which could easily be twisted further. There is surely no other reason for a coroner to mention video games, unless the body is found with a controller around it's neck, or had been blungeoned with a Gamecube.

Unless I'm missing something here. Are cornors also psychologists who are expected to know every facet of a victim? Maybe I've watched too much TV, but it seemed reasonable to assume they purely dealt with the physical and hard evidence.

It can only mean one thing, the Coroner works for EA and he plays Battlefield 3.
A CONSPIRACY, BRO!

*Submits idea to CSI Episode Writing Team*

Drake Sigar
06-09-2012, 09:14 AM
Nothing tops their MMO episode.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2QDoXzQXE

deano2099
06-09-2012, 10:29 AM
Read the RPS article, his mother thoroughly controlled what he was playing. His stepfather was the one who let him play CoD.

His mother wasn't thoroughly controlling what he was playing if she let him CoD with her husband was she?

christ87
06-09-2012, 10:41 AM
I realise that there are already a million examples of UK tabloids bashing videogames and that its a problem thats not going to disappear any time soon, but I thought I'd bring this news article to the attention of you fine chaps as its probably the cheapest and most blatant one I've seen. I genuinely thought this was an article on the Daily Mash until I scrolled up and realised, yep, its the Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4522119/Coroner-issues-Call-of-Duty-warning-as-teenager-hangs-himself.html



Apparently these three sentances are somehow related. The Sun does not elaborate how.

Hmm.

I think its probably the worst case of scapegoating ive ever seen, its doesnt even have any attribution to the game.
The Sun are notorious for not only scapegoating but making up stories completely, they got sued about 10 years ago by metal band Slipknot for claiming that a song made by the band was encouraging kids to fight in schools, the song was never even created.

NecroKnight
06-09-2012, 11:22 AM
This tabloids really make me sick. And the people who buy them really should be ashamed of themselves for financially supporting this sort of filth.

Nalano
06-09-2012, 01:09 PM
To be fair, the sentiment "pay attention to what your kid is doing" isn't a bad one. It's not the coroner's fault that the UK media hates games and gamers.

I changed your quoted sentiment into something more accurate.

r3dknight
06-09-2012, 01:15 PM
He should pay attention to where his kid puts his penis into. It might help.
Getting pregnant before 15? Wow. Takes a lot of effort man. *Pats his big iron*

Sparkasaurusmex
06-09-2012, 03:20 PM
Auto-erotic asphyxiation? It might have been considered but probably excluded - we don't know the exact circumstances of how the kid was found but I can't imagine it was a likely possibility. Chances are the kid was screwed up and hung himself - the article states he was talking about running away etc, it was probably just a suicide.
there is a bobcat goldthwait movie about this

Nikas
27-09-2012, 04:01 PM
he was just stupid

Unaco
27-09-2012, 04:11 PM
he was just stupid

Thank you for that thoughtful and insightful comment. Truly, a terrific addition to the conversation. I can't imagine how the forum ever managed without your wit and tasteful expression.

duff
27-09-2012, 04:17 PM
he was just stupid

I want to hit you.

Heliocentric
27-09-2012, 04:18 PM
I wish my parent's played games with me when I was growing up. Now as a father its a wonderful gift to share a hobby with a child.

Sorry if this seems dissociated with the topic but tabloids are not news they are platforms for thought experiments at best. I offer my sympathy to the boys family.

Mohorovicic
27-09-2012, 04:30 PM
If I ever commit suicide myself, I will make it clear it was because of possessive nouns.

Kodeen
27-09-2012, 04:32 PM
If I ever commit suicide myself, I will make it clear it was because of possessive nouns.

Just be sure to leave the note in it's most obvious place.

Nalano
27-09-2012, 04:33 PM
I wish my parent's played games with me when I was growing up. Now as a father its a wonderful gift to share a hobby with a child.

I can broadly agree with that sentiment, because that sentiment can be applied broadly: Do stuff​ with your kids. If that stuff is Guild Wars or basketball, do it.

Splynter
27-09-2012, 04:34 PM
I can broadly agree with that sentiment, because that sentiment can be applied broadly: Do stuff​ with your kids. If that stuff is Guild Wars or basketball, do it.

Seriously. You know that 'lame' hobby of yours most people might shake their heads at? Your kid will think it's the coolest thing in the world.

Smashbox
27-09-2012, 04:38 PM
"Oh yeah, well MYY dad designs clothing for his Sims game!"

*Pow* *Biff* *Zokk*

Splynter
27-09-2012, 04:39 PM
Haha, nobody said that OTHER kids would necessarily be on board.

MeltdownInteractiveMedia
01-10-2012, 12:01 PM
Meh he probably ate bacon and eggs as well.. so do they now get the blame?