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Grim_22
28-09-2012, 09:30 AM
I'd really like to play some space oriented exploration type game thing, and could use some advice. What is good, what isn't?

I don't really fancy playing something very old though. Graphics are not overly important, but it becomes a problem for me when a game is trying to be pretty but isn't anymore. Compared to a game like FTL, which isn't pretty but doesn't try to be, and instead relies on design.

I really like just exploring, upgrading ship and crew, finding weird stuff, a bit of action... you know.

Is X3: Terran Conflict a bit too heavy maybe? Is it too focused on trading and such to be exciting? What else is there?

Arona Daal
28-09-2012, 09:52 AM
Star Control 2 remake

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/

Pioneer

http://pioneerspacesim.net/

Oolite

http://www.oolite.org/

Also possible:

Space Rangers 2 (i find its a shallow mix of many genres,but many seem to like it)

Weird Adventures in infinite Space

frightlever
28-09-2012, 10:15 AM
X3 really would have benefited from some more goddamn moments while exploring, but there really aren't any that I can think of.

Pioneer looks interesting.

Jams O'Donnell
28-09-2012, 10:59 AM
Not sure if it wholly fits the bill, but Flotilla (http://blendogames.com/flotilla/) is a nice little one.

Grim_22
28-09-2012, 12:01 PM
X3 really would have benefited from some more goddamn moments while exploring, but there really aren't any that I can think of.

Pioneer looks interesting.

Such a shame, since it looks so very pretty. I loved the way that the galaxy felt alive in Freelancer, but that game is too old for me now.

Nikas
28-09-2012, 02:30 PM
why noone post here http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/ ? i think it will be nice for You

gundato
28-09-2012, 02:44 PM
The X-Series isn't really a "space combat" sim and is more a "trade management sim with guns". The latest ones all use Steam DRM.

The Evochron games are fun, but don't have a lot of depth. REALLY fun to actually land on planets though. They are available from all the major DD sites.

And if you want combat, Freespace 1 and 2 with Freespace Open. The models are still blocky, but the particle effects and beams are stunningly beautiful. GoG sells FS1 and FS2. So buy from them, then go download FSO.

Tikey
28-09-2012, 02:55 PM
I liked cap ship combat in StarShatter (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/334/details/Starshatter.-.The.Gathering.Storm).
Matrix games discontinued but then it became open source and you can get it here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=53002b81a9dd311f92542671604176 30&topic=80935.0).

rsherhod
28-09-2012, 03:00 PM
I'm still hoping to get through X3:TC before X Rebirth comes out. At this rate my chances don't look good.

Regarding the OP's question, how about Escape Velocity Nova? Looks beautiful, lots of exploring, a whole load of possible stories you can follow. For some reason it still costs $30 though.

Sparkasaurusmex
28-09-2012, 04:14 PM
I love Space Rangers 2. It has a 3D RTS mode that is awful but can be disabled, and without this feature SR2 is a great game.

squareking
28-09-2012, 04:18 PM
I think X3 has plenty of moments out there. You just either have to know where to look or get lucky.

I was putting through an allied sector to pick up a mobile driller for my Mercury when a massive fleet of Terrans (ATF) jumped in and started wreaking havoc. I had a decently equipped Nova Prototype and could hold my own against other M3s, but they were packing larger M2s and M1s. Luckily the Argon were packing serious heat, so I kinda hung back and watched the sides duke it out while I picked off stragglers and scooped up missiles and goods.

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872512013/3484A6B61CD72057BF97867FA96BF609D9617A56/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872514026/A8BF4EA15E3510E3B41C554A233BA29963D4B940/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872513362/A279B890CF19CC75CA289856B53893C7963289E4/

Unscripted glory.

Higher res because I'm an idiot and can't make it work:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872512013/3484A6B61CD72057BF97867FA96BF609D9617A56/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872514026/A8BF4EA15E3510E3B41C554A233BA29963D4B940/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576709036872513362/A279B890CF19CC75CA289856B53893C7963289E4/


The problem with X3 -- it's a slowwww burner. I'm just coming to grips with resource management after 20 hours. It's fiddly and has its share of problems, but it's oddly rewarding.

mnemnoch
28-09-2012, 04:29 PM
Sunk hundreds of hours in X3: AP. Like gundato said its more of a entrepaneur sim with combat. At least from what I played it.

One of the awesome thing in X series is that the universe is alive, it will go on its day to day activities and will not wait for you. And being moddable is a big plus.

Bad side: Steep learning curve. I have to watch a lot of lets play video just to learn the game. Also, like squareking said, its a slow burner. Getting from one point to another take some time specially in the early part of the game.

Draakon
28-09-2012, 06:51 PM
The latest ones all use Steam DRM.

No they don't.

gundato
28-09-2012, 07:03 PM
No they don't.


Yes, they do...
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2095&version=0

mnemnoch
28-09-2012, 07:21 PM
Yes, they do...
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2095&version=0

http://www.egosoft.com/download/x3ap/bonus_en.php



X3: Albion Prelude 2.0 - NoSteam executable

This executable allows you to play X3: Albion Prelude without having to run the Steam client. See this FAQ article (http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2150) for further information. The NoSteam executable is available only to users who have either X3: Terran Conflict or X3: Albion Prelude registered in their forum profile.

gundato
28-09-2012, 07:23 PM
http://www.egosoft.com/download/x3ap/bonus_en.php



X3: Albion Prelude 2.0 - NoSteam executable

This executable allows you to play X3: Albion Prelude without having to run the Steam client. See this FAQ article (http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2150) for further information. The NoSteam executable is available only to users who have either X3: Terran Conflict or X3: Albion Prelude registered in their forum profile.



Your point? The games still use Steam, they just have egosoft provided cracks.

Wheelz
28-09-2012, 09:47 PM
I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but it's worth noting that the X3 games have the worst UI in any game I've ever seen. It's truely terrible.

squareking
28-09-2012, 09:55 PM
I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but it's worth noting that the X3 games have the worst UI in any game I've ever seen. It's truely terrible.

I thought that at first too, and it could definitely be optimized to infinity, but it's not thaaaat bad once you learn the shortcuts. Then again, I'm trying to think of something with a worse UI, but all I can think of is Excel. :(

gundato
28-09-2012, 10:18 PM
Derek Smart's Battlecruiser games DEFINITELY have a worse interface than the X-Series.

And that might be it :P

Barnox
28-09-2012, 10:19 PM
One space game I really enjoyed was Freelancer.

The mechanics are all fairly simple (no massive amounts of hassle), and you control a single ship rather than a fleet.
Exploration, combat and trading are all viable. The Discovery mod also adds masses of content.

Metalfish
28-09-2012, 10:38 PM
SPAZ is mildly diverting, if a bit grind heavy.

Velko
29-09-2012, 08:24 AM
One space game I really enjoyed was Freelancer.

The mechanics are all fairly simple (no massive amounts of hassle), and you control a single ship rather than a fleet.
Exploration, combat and trading are all viable. The Discovery mod also adds masses of content.

Sadly it doesn't seem to be available on any DD store. One of my favourite space games ever.

caljohnston
29-09-2012, 08:29 AM
Orbiter is nice.

http://i.imgur.com/ikOR5.jpg

Patrick Swayze
29-09-2012, 08:30 AM
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mostwanted/nexus-2-the-gods-awaken

rsherhod
29-09-2012, 12:56 PM
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mostwanted/nexus-2-the-gods-awaken
Looks quite nice, but is the least like what the OP was asking for so far.

Drake Sigar
29-09-2012, 01:08 PM
One space game I really enjoyed was Freelancer.

One of the ONLY space games I've enjoyed is Freelancer. The interface is accessible. Most things can be done with a mouse click and don't take five rotations of the sun to find. There's plenty of well-known voiceactors including femshep, a half decent conspiracy story, and plenty of systems to explore.

The interface in the X-Series is like a twenty foot impassable wall, and you've got nothing to break it down except your face.

Fanbuoy
29-09-2012, 01:14 PM
I've bought all the X games, but haven't started any of them yet. Is story continuity important? Since the games seem pretty big it sounds like a bit of a hassle to play through the series. I guess my question basically comes down to whether it's okay to just jump into X3 directly?

Also, aren't there any UI mods available?

Blackcompany
29-09-2012, 01:17 PM
Anyone tried Galaxy on Fire 2?

Also...is it possible to see your ship in X3? Or is it cockpit/simulator view only?

I think X3 would be more fun if I could see the ship I fly, as in EVE. GoF looks like Evochron without the frustrating quirks. Thought I would mention it.

rsherhod
29-09-2012, 01:17 PM
I've bought all the X games, but haven't started any of them yet. Is story continuity important? Since the games seem pretty big it sounds like a bit of a hassle to play through the series. I guess my question basically comes down to whether it's okay to just jump into X3 directly?

Also, aren't there any UI mods available?
I just jumped into X3. You start off wondering what the hell is going on, but if you go and read some of the stuff floating around on the internet you can pick it up pretty quickly.

Spengbab
29-09-2012, 04:19 PM
I guess my question basically comes down to whether it's okay to just jump into X3 directly?
Depends on whether you want a story or just a big sandbox to play in. The setting isnt that complicated (Spoilers, obviously), it's mostly iterations of "Race X invades":

X1 = Xenon (Rogue AI)
X2 = Kha'ak (Worst possible name when all your voice-actors are Germans trying to speak English/Japanese English (In X, Japanese became the primary language on Earth))
X3 = Terrans
X3:TC = Terrans, still
X3:AP = Terrans, again and again

I suggest you just play Albion Prelude - it has all the refinements of the previous X3 games. AI scripts (which are like mods in the X-series) like universe-wide automatic trader pilots, miners, fleets, etc, plus all ships from the previous games and some new stuff (Bombers and a new battleship for each manufacturer). It's even got most of the optional "plots" from the previous X3 games (Plots are like quests in X), but it's main strength is the huge sandbox you can play around in. Had lots of fun setting up supply routes, production chains and automated trading.

arccos
29-09-2012, 04:44 PM
I suggest you just play Albion Prelude - it has all the refinements of the previous X3 games.

I would agree with this. A few cautionary points if you're starting, though:

1. In Albion Prelude, part of the "plot" is the war going on in sectors around you, and it can be very difficult to get anything done in the large battles when you're starting out. Often you'll just be seriously outmatched, so if you enter a battle sector and can't see anything you can reasonably attack, just leave again. Or wait to see if your faction can start winning.

2. If you're struggling to understand how the game works, it's worth watching one or two let's plays of it on Youtube.

3. This is a GREAT reference for X3, even though it doesn't cover the Albion additions: http://apricotmappingservice.com/x3handbook.html. This is the one thing that kept me playing long enough to beat the learning curve.


4. Don't be afraid to cheat to get more money if you get bored or stuck by lack of funds.

arccos
29-09-2012, 04:54 PM
As far as adventure-y space games, here is what I would recommend:

1. Star Control 2/The Ur-Quan Masters - It's a cross between an adventure game, RPG, shooter, and management sim. One of my favorite games ever.

2. Homeworld 1 - RTS that actually has an interesting plot. Some outdated mechanics you'll have to adjust to, but still fun.

3. Starflight 1 & 2 - Very early space sim and combat games with some really outdated mechanics, but really gives you the feel of discovery and accomplishment.

4. Independence War 2 - Space shooter with a feeling of an open world, and a few interesting plot points.

5. Transcendence - Free 2D space shooter action game with some roguelike qualities. Great sense of discovery in the different game systems.

gundato
29-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Yeah. the X-Games are a lot like the "annual shooters" in that there is no real reason to go back to an older version when a new one comes out. You miss out on the plot, but the gameplay (and the UI...) get better/more intuitive with every iteration.