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squirrel
30-09-2012, 01:14 PM
I dont pay much attentions to e-sport, and I confess that it's mainly due to my lack of skills in video games,which is not comparable with those pro gamers. My K/D ration is merely about 0.5 in Bad Company 2. But I guess I should and e-sport should be appreciated as other sports. Damn there are two recently planned tournaments in China cancelled because of the recent turmoils over the Sino-Japanese dispute over a stupid archipelago in East Pacific we called "Fishing Islands". I dont know the origin of the name, but sure a vast area in the ocean surrounding the islands provide a vast fishing resources I guess. Anyway, organizers of two Intel sponsored tournaments of Starcraft 2 and LOL have cancelled the events:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-09-24-political-unrest-cancels-chinese-gaming-tournaments

Damn, Damn, Damn!!! You god cursed politics, give us a break would you? Why can't you die just yet?! All we want is just to play some good games. Is that too much to ask?!

And neither Starcraft nor LOL is Japanese production. But hell a lot of incoming Japanese games I want to play. Dont stop me from playing Biohazard 6 (confirmed coming to PC in coming Nov, stupid time exclusivity for consoles again, that's the only thing I hate about Japanese, nothing political you see).

eRa
30-09-2012, 01:19 PM
As far as I know potential oil deposits are the main reason for this particular island dispute. Can't really blame the organizers for pulling out.

squirrel
30-09-2012, 01:22 PM
Can't really blame the organizers for pulling out.

No I am not blaming the organizers. They bear too much risk over this so they have no choice.

I am denouncing those starting all the unrest.

mike2R
30-09-2012, 02:59 PM
As far as I know potential oil deposits are the main reason for this particular island dispute.


I suspect that if it was only that, rational minds would be able to come to an agreement. You can't get investors for a drilling project when there is a threat of a military strike after all.

This is far more messy I fear. While I don't subscribe to the idea that all nationalism is automatically bad, it is one hell of a dangerous toy to play with. There are leaders in both China and Japan who have played the nationalist card to get where they are, and couldn't back down now even if they wanted to, without risking their own positions.

To see it spill over into something as unrelated as computer games and e-sports is depressing. Problems like this should be ring-fenced off into their own little box, so they don't affect the great mass of the countries' relations with each other, without either side having to back down or lose face.

Not that a British person is in any position to lecture others on random-island-related nationalism... I guess it is easier to see the stupidity from the outside.

Sparkasaurusmex
30-09-2012, 03:07 PM
If this fight comes to blows the impact on e-sports is going to seem pretty trivial

Davkaus
30-09-2012, 03:11 PM
And neither Starcraft nor LOL is Japanese production. The problem is that IEM weren't hosting the event themselves, they were holding the tournament at an anime convention. Holding an anime convention in China isn't very safe at the moment.

Mohorovicic
30-09-2012, 04:04 PM
The problem is that IEM weren't hosting the event themselves, they were holding the tournament at an anime convention. Holding an anime convention in China isn't very safe at the moment.

And why would that be?

DarkFenix
30-09-2012, 04:07 PM
Because to the common perception, anime = Japanese. Japanese things aren't very safe in China at the moment.

Mohorovicic
30-09-2012, 04:10 PM
I realize that most asian countries hate each other's guts with a passion but to go as far? I am impressed, china strong.

QuantaCat
30-09-2012, 04:20 PM
To be fair, anime IS japanese. Everywhere else, its called animated series :D

American anime doesnt count.

Kaira-
30-09-2012, 04:59 PM
American anime doesnt count.

What about Franime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JrWJfdoqk)?

Davkaus
30-09-2012, 05:10 PM
I realize that most asian countries hate each other's guts with a passion but to go as far? I am impressed, china strong.

Not only are Japanese companies being targeted and being vandalized or burned down, Japanese families are being targeted, and there have been lots of reports of Japanese cars being burned out in the street. Setting fire to a car that probably belongs to someone from China, because it was made by a Japanese company.

They're on the brink of war, and the Chinese population genuinely seem to hate anything Japanese.

We're not talking about some dirty looks or peaceful protests.


http://i.imgur.com/EJNzd.jpg

Mohorovicic
30-09-2012, 07:23 PM
What about Franime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JrWJfdoqk)?

>TV show based on Wakfu

Someone stop the world, I'm getting off

Subatomic
30-09-2012, 07:29 PM
They're on the brink of war, and the Chinese population genuinely seem to hate anything Japanese.

We're not talking about some dirty looks or peaceful protests.

On the brink of war might be a bit exaggerated, as both governments most likely won't let it come to that (there's little to gain and much to loose). Some politicians do however benefit from the nationalistic riots and pandering to anti-japanese sentiments.


I realize that most asian countries hate each other's guts with a passion but to go as far? I am impressed, china strong.

Well, considering Japan's actions during the Sino-Japanese War and WW2 when they occupied much of eastern and southern Asia, there's a lot of hatred still well and alive in a lot of countries. Also, unlike post-WW2 Germany, Japan didn't strive for reconciliation and cooperation with its neighbours to the same degree, so old grudges and prejudices never really healed as they (mostly) did in Europe.

Hypernetic
30-09-2012, 07:35 PM
Japan couldn't even fight a war against China, we'd have to fight it for them. Which won't happen.

Kadayi
30-09-2012, 07:40 PM
Frankly the Chinese government need to put their house in order and diffuse internal tensions. Admittedly the Japanese don't exactly have a sterling reputation when it comes to race relations, but China need to educate their citizenry and bring them into the 20th century. This historical baggage situation is /facepalm

Hypernetic
30-09-2012, 07:55 PM
Who's "we"?

Who do you think?

Mohorovicic
30-09-2012, 07:57 PM
Chinese government has a history of using nationalism to allow the people to vent their frustrations at something that isn't the one-party state. They will sit back and let the anti-japanese sentiments happen but you can be sure that as soon as someone even mentions democracy the protests will be shut down and most participants arrested in less than 24 hours.

Social engineering brah. They're pretty damn good at it.

QuantaCat
30-09-2012, 07:59 PM
Frankly the Chinese government need to put their house in order and diffuse internal tensions. Admittedly the Japanese don't exactly have a sterling reputation when it comes to race relations, but China need to educate their citizenry and bring them into the 20th century. This historical baggage situation is /facepalm

"race relations" sounds a bit specist. But otherwise yes.

Also, China owns the world already, what else do they want? They should play Civ more.

DarkFenix
30-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Given China's rather turbulent history this past century, I'm not sure I'd agree with that last statement Mohorovicic. They do on the other hand seem to have more or less mastered the art of 'if it speaks, shoot it'.

Hypernetic
30-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Team America, world police?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_ the_United_States_and_Japan

Scumbag
30-09-2012, 11:17 PM
While I dont have any examples at hand (cursed lazy me forgetting the exact sites) just go and look for a few translations of a couple of Chinese dailys. Not sure how hand-pick-the-most-mental they are, but most seem to make the Daily Mail look rational.
Not looked at any Japanese daily papers yet.

squirrel
01-10-2012, 04:20 AM
As a PC gamer, I know I do not depend that much on MIJ: Made In Japan. As I know, none of my Dell machines (I have one currently I game on and another 6 year-old one used by my father) employ Japanese technology.

But damn I know many of those who use smartphones do. First thing first, Sony made many of digital cam and mon used by those tiny beautiful devices.

Some protesters are taking their proud photos...... with Canon digital camera!! Can you fuxking believe that?!

And here is a major concern, if there is a really war between Japan and my country, Japanese will be, in their right mind, cut our access to submarine optic-cable connection. That means a serve blow to our Internet access. I still cannot forget the days few years ago while a major earthquake struck Taiwan, while most of overseas connections had to be re-routed through continental cables. My retarded bosses leashed out on me while we could not reach overseas clients and suppliers as if I was the one put their servers out of order.

Nalano
01-10-2012, 06:28 AM
but China need to educate their citizenry and bring them into the 20th century.

The 20th century's kinda why the Chinese hate the Japanese.

Mohorovicic
01-10-2012, 12:55 PM
I guess this is as good moment as any to recommend a book called "The Great Wall: China Against the World" by one Julia Lovell.

QuantaCat
01-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Reminds me of an RPG called Google Wars, where china starts a nuclear war over disabling google in its borders.