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Faldrath
05-10-2012, 04:01 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19842704

Depressing/funny newsbit regarding games of the day, I suppose. Best quote:

"Maine Republicans said playing the game led Ms Lachowicz to live a "bizarre double life" that raised questions about her ability to represent the state."

Could be worse, though - imagine if she played a warlock.

QuantaCat
05-10-2012, 04:12 PM
Also, imagine a politician without a double life.

gundato
05-10-2012, 04:16 PM
Yay, stupidity.

But actually, I think a politician who is an avid MMO gamer WOULD influence me. On the one hand, they are less likely to screw over my gaming interests. On the other hand, I know that my productivity drops by a noticeable (to me, not to my co-workers) degree when there is a game I particularly want to play waiting for me at home. And MMOs are "addictive".

Not sure if it would be a plus or minus, but it is interesting.

Sketch
05-10-2012, 04:24 PM
While I get a sense of yay politicians playing games what a world we love in, how good is she etc. she has made some pretty silly comments considering she knew she was going to be running for the state senate:



"So I'm a level 68 orc rogue girl. That means I stab things . . . a lot. Who would have thought that a peace-lovin', social worker and democrat would enjoy that?!"
"Yes, I am seriously slacking off at work today. And I called my congresswoman's office today. And told them I would probably be calling everyday."
"I spent my day leveling my alt - an undead warlock…"
"I'm lazy, remember?"
"Now if you'll excuse me, I may have to go and hunt down Grover Norquist and drown him in my bath tub."
"Or my dream from election season last year where John McCain sat at my childhood dining room table and I reamed him a new a**hole about Sarah Palin."
"I like to stab things and I'm originally from NJ…. what's your f***ing point?!"
"Do not send me a campaign contribution or I will have to stab you! Seriously!"
"Yes, join us! We're progressive… in fact we joke about being a socialist guild."
"I love this diary because it sums up the teabagger mindset.

Nalano
05-10-2012, 05:23 PM
Being that I was a night elf hunter in WoW, I suppose that means I just like to shoot (http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=37688) sentient being largely similar to myself aside from a few minor differences until they die, usually through the eye sockets.

...I can see how that may not sound entirely inconceivable.


"I like to stab things and I'm originally from NJ…. what's your fucking point?!"

I'd vote for her.

LTK
05-10-2012, 05:35 PM
While I get a sense of yay politicians playing games what a world we love in, how good is she etc. she has made some pretty silly comments considering she knew she was going to be running for the state senate:

I think those comments were simply crawled from the WoW forums. They most definitely are not public statements.

Edit: Yes, I see the posts in question are from 2009 and 2010.

Rauten
05-10-2012, 05:36 PM
I'd vote for her.

As a former fellow horde rogue, I have nothing else to say.

RogerMellie
05-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Best comment I saw on this on Twitter was: If anything, as a WoW player, she should be mocked for being in the ridiculous fantasy world of politics.

vinraith
05-10-2012, 06:01 PM
Poor taste in games does not disqualify someone for public office, even when it's really poor taste in games.

Sparkasaurusmex
05-10-2012, 07:47 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19842704

Depressing/funny newsbit regarding games of the day, I suppose. Best quote:

"Maine Republicans said playing the game led Ms Lachowicz to live a "bizarre double life" that raised questions about her ability to represent the state."

Could be worse, though - imagine if she played a warlock.
So basically she is a saint and there was no dirt to dig up

Heliocentric
05-10-2012, 07:49 PM
So basically she is a saint and there was no dirt to dig up

WoW Sucks, but I wouldn't want a country to be lead by a dwarf fortress player.

*shudders*

Faldrath
05-10-2012, 07:55 PM
So basically she is a saint and there was no dirt to dig up

That's not really the point, I have no idea who she is or isn't (I'm not American either). What's interesting for us here at RPS, besides any local political consequences, is that this is yet another example of how gaming is still in that weird place of being completely mainstream but still carrying a social stigma. That's the social trend worth analyzing.

Nalano
05-10-2012, 08:03 PM
That's not really the point, I have no idea who she is or isn't (I'm not American either). What's interesting for us here at RPS, besides any local political consequences, is that this is yet another example of how gaming is still in that weird place of being completely mainstream but still carrying a social stigma. That's the social trend worth analyzing.

In the grander scheme of things, I think Spark's comment is the most pithy on this whole thread.

Colleen's a Democrat whose election is coming up in a state that's not as strongly Democratic as other coastal states to its south. The Republicans are grasping as straws and are ultimately just creating a tempest in a teapot on the hopes that the "controversy" will hurt her in the polls.

The media loves a good ole' controversy, especially in Maine where news happens maybe once a year, so this'll be out and about for at least a day. But it's basically bullshit and giving it any more credence than that's giving it way too much attention.

Faldrath
05-10-2012, 08:17 PM
The media loves a good ole' controversy, especially in Maine where news happens maybe once a year, so this'll be out and about for at least a day. But it's basically bullshit and giving it any more credence than that's giving it way too much attention.

Yeah, I understand all that, and I agree that as far as the politics goes, it's bullshit. But I'm a sociologist, and I can't really avoid seeing this as also a symptom of something else, as I tried to explain in the previous post. It will indeed be forgotten in a day or two, but the interesting thing is, of all the things someone could attempt to dig up to stain someone else's reputation, they chose gaming. If they chose gaming, it's because they think it will be effective with a significant part of the relevant population. If this proves correct, it is interesting data. If it backfires horribly, that's also interesting data.

Sketch
05-10-2012, 08:30 PM
I think those comments were simply crawled from the WoW forums. They most definitely are not public statements.

Edit: Yes, I see the posts in question are from 2009 and 2010.

True, true and in the long wrong this should have no effect on her campaign, I just think what she said was done without thinking.

Mohorovicic
05-10-2012, 08:31 PM
She should be removed from the office for terrible taste in videogames.

Nalano
05-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Yeah, I understand all that, and I agree that as far as the politics goes, it's bullshit. But I'm a sociologist, and I can't really avoid seeing this as also a symptom of something else, as I tried to explain in the previous post. It will indeed be forgotten in a day or two, but the interesting thing is, of all the things someone could attempt to dig up to stain someone else's reputation, they chose gaming. If they chose gaming, it's because they think it will be effective with a significant part of the relevant population. If this proves correct, it is interesting data. If it backfires horribly, that's also interesting data.

Dude, we're still race-baiting (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/10/jon-stewart-not-impressed-tucker-carlsons-race-baiting/57595/). Demonizing vidja games is waaaay down the list of shit to get worked up about. If anything, the fact that they chose gaming means that they couldn't use aaaany of the other stuff above it on the list.

Faldrath
05-10-2012, 08:41 PM
I am not particularly worked up about it, don't worry. And yes, I'm fully aware that there's race-baiting, religion-baiting, extramarital-affair-baiting, Obama-isn't-American-baiting, and plenty of other types. But game-baiting happens to be of a particular interest to this specific forum, that's all there is to it.

Sparkasaurusmex
05-10-2012, 08:42 PM
That's not really the point, I have no idea who she is or isn't (I'm not American either). What's interesting for us here at RPS, besides any local political consequences, is that this is yet another example of how gaming is still in that weird place of being completely mainstream but still carrying a social stigma. That's the social trend worth analyzing.
Well that certainly makes for a more interesting thread :)

But also, this sort of thing has been changing. I mean compare what a general sample would think of a person who plays WoW with what they would have thought of a person who played UO or EQ or something. Well, probably they wouldn't know what that was... but my point is that the social stigmas about gaming are going away.

For further evidence I provide the following:
republicans are using gaming for mud flinging. See what I mean? it's remnants from a previous generation.

Anyway, it is an interesting subject, the stigma of gaming, but even more interesting are our internal stigmas... CoD players might think oddly of a WoW playing politician, maybe? Now I'm generalizing

Come to think of it, the "accusation" that she's a WoW player does seem a bit more...well something... than if they had just said she plays a lot of computer games.

Nalano
05-10-2012, 08:52 PM
I mean compare what a general sample would think of a person who plays WoW with what they would have thought of a person who played UO or EQ or something. Well, probably they wouldn't know what that was...

Exactly. They know what WoW is. Largely because somebody they know plays it.

But honestly, I think anybody who votes based on gaming habits is probably too stupid to vote anyway.

Sparkasaurusmex
05-10-2012, 08:55 PM
You mean we have to actually vote? Doesn't posting funny slogans on Facebook count? Damned electoral college!

OrangyTang
05-10-2012, 09:07 PM
Gaming researcher Ladan Cockshut said the row revealed how gaming can be seen as a bad thing to do.

That is... quite a name.

Sparkasaurusmex
05-10-2012, 09:18 PM
It was worse before the family changed the I to a U

Nalano
05-10-2012, 09:19 PM
Okay, I honestly lol'd.

Tritagonist
05-10-2012, 10:15 PM
The longest serving finance minister of The Netherlands was, and presumably is, a very public Heroes of Might and Magic fan. He'd always talk about it, and while there's certainly a long list of things to regret and criticize about what he has done, I'd like to think his gaming habit was not one of the causes of those actions. An amusing clip, in which he explains he doesn't play online because he needs to be able to pause it - makes one wonder. In any case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRcxLT2f0Ng&t=8m1s

Heliocentric
05-10-2012, 10:22 PM
That is... quite a name.

Its like,
Blacksmith's became Smith,
Tailor's ended up with Taylor
Thompson were the sons of guys call Thomas

What did those guys do to deserve that name?

Nalano
05-10-2012, 10:30 PM
What did those guys do to deserve that name?

The Cockshits were a long line of proud sodomites.

The Tupper
05-10-2012, 10:57 PM
That's not really the point, I have no idea who she is or isn't (I'm not American either). What's interesting for us here at RPS, besides any local political consequences, is that this is yet another example of how gaming is still in that weird place of being completely mainstream but still carrying a social stigma. That's the social trend worth analyzing.

As with porn and recreational drug use, gaming continues to be of use to hypocritical wankers.

Theblazeuk
05-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Aren't you also unfit for office if you're a declared atheist?

RedRobin
06-10-2012, 01:08 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19842704

Depressing/funny newsbit regarding games of the day, I suppose. Best quote:

"Maine Republicans said playing the game led Ms Lachowicz to live a "bizarre double life" that raised questions about her ability to represent the state."

Could be worse, though - imagine if she played a warlock.

Its funny because of the posts in Blizzards thread are all about her killing people in game and they used that against her.

Tritagonist
06-10-2012, 06:19 AM
That is... quite a name.
Blame the English, as per http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cockshut :


This name, with variant spellings Cockshot, Cockshoot, Cockut and Cockshutt, is of English locational origin from Cockshoot Farm in Worcestershire, Cockshot in Kent or Cockshut in Lancashire. The name derives from the Olde English pre 7th Century "coccscyte" translating as "a place where nets were streched to catch woodcock" and was originally given to an inhabitant of one of these places or as a topographic name to someone who lived near such a trap. The surname is first recorded in the latter half of the 13th Century.

Sparkasaurusmex
06-10-2012, 06:48 AM
The name derives from the Olde English pre 7th Century "coccscyte"
Yep! ;) need ten char

Feldspar
06-10-2012, 08:54 AM
Being that I was a night elf hunter in WoW
I can see how being an Orc rogue would set up up nicely for a career in politics, however, you, sir, have just lost any respect I may have had for you. Please don't tell us that your name was some misspelling of Legolas.

soldant
06-10-2012, 09:27 AM
Okay, I honestly lol'd.
Must admit, I lost my shit too.

Colonel J
06-10-2012, 11:19 AM
1996

I just had to link this Penny Arcade from a couple of weeks ago.

frightlever
06-10-2012, 12:33 PM
Also, imagine a politician without a double life.

Nice! Made me LOL.

squirrel
06-10-2012, 01:25 PM
We need ambitious statesmen to lead us. Ambition is what we need to dominate the world. While a statesman is asked by his/her people of what is to do tonight? He/She would respond, "Same thing we do every night, my people, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"

There is a justification by some old people here against the youths to play video games. We need ambition to build what we need. Yet video game is where we take refuge from the real harsh society. Achievements in video games give us a false sense that we've achieved something, that our ambitions have been fulfilled, while in reality we achieve nothing.

And seriously, public figures should maintain a higher standard in their manner, in whatever social environment they are in, for their own benefit. That's just some very traditional wisdom a politician should have.


Also, imagine a politician without a double life.

Let me try to name one: Hitler?

Rauten
06-10-2012, 01:56 PM
We need ambitious statesmen to lead us. Ambition is what we need to dominate the world. While a statesman is asked by his/her people of what is to do tonight? He/She would respond, "Same thing we do every night, my people, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"

Let me try to name one: Hitler?

Wow, uh, what? Maybe you need to lay down a while, Squirrel? Besides, in this day and age, anyone tries to take over the world, almost everyone else is gonna jump on his/her throat like deranged, angry and hungry wolves.

And Hitler didn't need a double life (which he did kinda have), he was batshit insane and his success got go his head so much, he personally caused many of the losses the German army suffered during the final 2 years of WW2.

squirrel
06-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Wow, uh, what? Maybe you need to lay down a while, Squirrel? Besides, in this day and age, anyone tries to take over the world, almost everyone else is gonna jump on his/her throat like deranged, angry and hungry wolves.

Hey, just kidding, man. Haven't you heard of a WB cartoon called "Pinky and the Brian"?

Rauten
06-10-2012, 02:00 PM
Hey, just kidding, man. Haven't you heard of a WB cartoon called "Pinky and the Brian"?

Pinky and the Brain, yes, never really watched it though.

And in all honesty, I could not tell that was a joke. Which worries me =/

squirrel
06-10-2012, 02:03 PM
Pinky and the Brain, yes, never really watched it though.

And in all honesty, I could not tell that was a joke. Which worries me =/

"Same thing we do every night, Pinky, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

trjp
06-10-2012, 03:01 PM
Reading this thread depresses me because the story is at the heart of the most important problem with gaming (as a hobby) and all we've done is crack jokes about it and thus emphasise the triviality/childishness/pointlessness that people attribute to it.

I don't understand why we expect politicians to be different from the people they represent. It's fine to expect them to be honest and law-abiding but there's an obsession with the idea that they're moral and 'right' in ways that everyone else isn't.

They can't have affairs (despite that being a commonplace thing to do) - they can't use drugs or drink too much (commonplace), they can't hold off-centre views (despite almost everyone else doing so) - they can't even play games (again, a commonplace action) for some reason!?

As a society we're obsessed with labelling and judging each-other using the most obvious and lazy means DESPITE there being so many way of going beyond that.

At the end of the day we might just have to admit that 'success' or even 'prominence' in our society comes to those who poitn fingers at others whilst doing the least they dare, because doing things is risky when you're going to be judged about it all the damned time.

QuantaCat
06-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Reading this thread depresses me because the story is at the heart of the most important problem with gaming (as a hobby) and all we've done is crack jokes about it and thus emphasise the triviality/childishness/pointlessness that people attribute to it.

I don't understand why we expect politicians to be different from the people they represent. It's fine to expect them to be honest and law-abiding but there's an obsession with the idea that they're moral and 'right' in ways that everyone else isn't.

They can't have affairs (despite that being a commonplace thing to do) - they can't use drugs or drink too much (commonplace), they can't hold off-centre views (despite almost everyone else doing so) - they can't even play games (again, a commonplace action) for some reason!?

As a society we're obsessed with labelling and judging each-other using the most obvious and lazy means DESPITE there being so many way of going beyond that.

At the end of the day we might just have to admit that 'success' or even 'prominence' in our society comes to those who poitn fingers at others whilst doing the least they dare, because doing things is risky when you're going to be judged about it all the damned time.

When in fact, not too long ago, they got it right: they were supposed to and allowed to do everything. And I dont just mean in a power hungry dictator way, but they were expected to lead an excessive lifestyle, as long as they rule the country/citystate right. (also, they werent expected to live that long, after all)

Honestly, I think religion got in the way. But dont really want to start a religion discussion here :D

Nalano
06-10-2012, 06:28 PM
I can see how being an Orc rogue would set up up nicely for a career in politics, however, you, sir, have just lost any respect I may have had for you. Please don't tell us that your name was some misspelling of Legolas.

I've always been "Nalano."

When faction transfers were available, I stopped being a nelf (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/jonmphy/Lanos/NalanoDoW.jpg) and started being a belf (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/jonmphy/Lanos/OzzySat.jpg). 'Course, depending on who you ask, that may even be worse.

Feldspar
06-10-2012, 06:35 PM
I don't understand why we expect politicians to be different from the people they represent. It's fine to expect them to be honest and law-abiding but there's an obsession with the idea that they're moral and 'right' in ways that everyone else isn't.

They can't have affairs (despite that being a commonplace thing to do) - they can't use drugs or drink too much (commonplace), they can't hold off-centre views (despite almost everyone else doing so) - they can't even play games (again, a commonplace action) for some reason!?

We want our leaders to be better than us, examples set from the top down. No-one cares how sordid my life is, because I'm not telling you how to behave. But gaming? I expect politicians to be people underneath and harmless escapism is good for you in moderation.

Nalano
06-10-2012, 06:44 PM
Honestly, I think religion got in the way. But dont really want to start a religion discussion here :D

Religion has always gotten in the way.

However, the microscope into politicians' personal lives largely started with nationalized mass media. Presidents started having to look "presidential" up close for the rubes in Saskatoon.

trjp
06-10-2012, 08:24 PM
We want our leaders to be better than us,

That's a worthy aim but we have no idea what it means, do we?

End of the day we're responsible for the mess we've gotten ourselves into because we judge people on shallow metrics like wealth, and outward appearance instead of judging people on their achievements and actions.

"Politics" is more a game of avoiding blame and criticism - and one way of doing that is by NOT DOING ANYTHING. Don't have any opinions which may jar with your peers or those you want to vote for you - don't have a hobby anyone might disagree with - make sure your wife/husband is attractive and low-profile etc. etc.

It's bollocks from soup to nuts AND it's our own fault for not being willing to ask more of these people.

Sparkasaurusmex
06-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Sorry for depressing you with humor, but to me it seemed to me the appropriate response to the article.

it's the triviality/childishness/pointlessness of US politics, not gaming, that triggered such a response.

Hypernetic
06-10-2012, 10:49 PM
Speaking of stupid politicians http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20121006/US.Congressman.Creationism/

Nalano
06-10-2012, 11:32 PM
Speaking of stupid politicians http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20121006/US.Congressman.Creationism/

And he's on the House Science Committee.

Hypernetic
06-10-2012, 11:51 PM
And he's on the House Science Committee.

That's wonderful

Nalano
07-10-2012, 01:52 AM
That's wonderful

:|

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squirrel
07-10-2012, 02:37 AM
And he's on the House Science Committee.

If we dont believe in science, what next time when we are seriously ill, we should just cross fingers and let god's power heal us at its mercy? This according to...... a medical doctor?

But after all he spoke this in a church, politician.

Fumarole
07-10-2012, 02:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSCRoYyM-Y

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 03:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBy3MbP4WDo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBy3MbP4WDo)

Here it is.

Rauten
07-10-2012, 03:15 AM
So science is a lie, but he's a doctor. So I suppose he'll stop prescripting medicines? I mean, after all, medicines are a byproduct of chemistry, which is a branch of science, so obviously they must be evil!

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 03:20 AM
So science is a lie, but he's a doctor. So I suppose he'll stop prescripting medicines? I mean, after all, medicines are a byproduct of chemistry, which is a branch of science, so obviously they must be evil!

Not only that, but he thinks the bible dictates how we should govern.

Stellar Duck
08-10-2012, 12:04 PM
They can't have affairs (despite that being a commonplace thing to do) - they can't use drugs or drink too much (commonplace), they can't hold off-centre views (despite almost everyone else doing so) - they can't even play games (again, a commonplace action) for some reason!?



I can only speak for myself here:

They can have an affair. But I'll probably judge them as a bad person for it, just as I would with any other person. Doubly so if they're the sort to bang on about the sanctity of marriage and banning gay marriage.

As for drugs, I don't particularly care if they smoke pot on Saturday evening. Just don't bang on about how drugs are the devils tool and make stupid legislation against it. As for harder drugs, I'd say that as long as they're illegal, then doing them is breaking the law and anyone, politician or normal person should take whatever punishment for getting caught.

As for games, now we're really getting into territory where I don't care. People can do as they please and it's no skin off my nose.

What I'm looking for is not politicians that are paragons of virtue, though that would be nice. I just want some that aren't fucking hypocrites and have some moral consistency. I try to do so and so should they.

Nalano
08-10-2012, 01:08 PM
As for drugs, I don't particularly care if they smoke pot on Saturday evening. Just don't bang on about how drugs are the devils tool and make stupid legislation against it. As for harder drugs, I'd say that as long as they're illegal, then doing them is breaking the law and anyone, politician or normal person should take whatever punishment for getting caught.

You know pot's illegal, right?

Stellar Duck
08-10-2012, 02:09 PM
You know pot's illegal, right?

Yea. A bit of a misstep on my part. Which means that it's the same as with the harder drugs.

I guess I just tend to separate the two in my head and forgot that the world does not, in fact, conform to my brain.

I think it should be legal though, but I don't see that happening in a hurry with the current Danish government.

Edit: I should add that while it's indeed illegal here, I've never actually known anyone to get into trouble for it unless they were actually dealing. I don't think I'm lying if I say that half my friends have at some point or other been caught with a bag on them at festivals or the like and generally given a free pass or a warning to not deal if they had more than 20 grams. That's my defence for forgetting it's illegal and I'm sticking to it. :)

Nalano
08-10-2012, 02:52 PM
Edit: I should add that while it's indeed illegal here, I've never actually known anyone to get into trouble for it unless they were actually dealing. I don't think I'm lying if I say that half my friends have at some point or other been caught with a bag on them at festivals or the like and generally given a free pass or a warning to not deal if they had more than 20 grams. That's my defence for forgetting it's illegal and I'm sticking to it. :)

I live in a country that has a quarter of the world's prison population, half of which are in prison due to drug offenses. Forgetting it's illegal is a one-way ticket to federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. :P

Stellar Duck
08-10-2012, 03:35 PM
I live in a country that has a quarter of the world's prison population, half of which are in prison due to drug offenses. Forgetting it's illegal is a one-way ticket to federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. :P

Yea, I realize that it's a bit of a luxury to be able to forget without getting your life ruined.

But I must admit that the US policies on crime (and punishment) for the most part baffles me.

lasikbear
08-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Are you white? If so its cool, you can probably forget about US drug laws, they only sort of apply to you.

Hypernetic
08-10-2012, 06:29 PM
Are you white? If so its cool, you can probably forget about US drug laws, they only sort of apply to you.

What? Surely you aren't suggesting that white people don't go to jail for drug possession are you?

Nalano
08-10-2012, 06:45 PM
What? Surely you aren't suggesting that white people don't go to jail for drug possession are you?

Not like Black people they don't. (http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/ACF4F34.pdf)

Hypernetic
08-10-2012, 06:59 PM
Not like Black people they don't. (http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/ACF4F34.pdf)

I'd argue that it's more about the nature of drug use/sales in inner city neighborhoods, what with open air drug sales and an ever looming police presence. Whereas in more suburban areas drug deals are typically made in private indoors or in cars, there is also less of a police presence.

Having an actual attorney (i.e. not a public defender) can help with avoiding jail time too, but that's a financial issue.

Anyway, the point is that you will still go to jail if you get caught with a large amount of drugs and/or are a repeat offender, regardless of race.

Nalano
08-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah yakkity schmakkity blah blahty blah and an ever looming police presence. Whereas blah blah blah blah blah blahblahblah blah blah blah blah blahditty blahblah blah blah blah there is also less of a police presence.

I WONDER WHY THAT IS.

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MoLAoS
08-10-2012, 08:01 PM
What? Surely you aren't suggesting that white people don't go to jail for drug possession are you?

Dude, as long as its not something hard like cocaine white people don't get any drama from the fuzz. And if they do go to court they have better lawyers and get far less prison time even for coke or heroin. I know dozens of white kids who got caught by the fuzz and all got off scott free. Whereas 75% of black people went to court and then to the slammer.

In a country full of racism cops are like 10x as likely to be seriously racist and they have the power to enforce that shit. And that's besides them just using the okayness of racism to be generally violent and get away with illegal shit.

Did you beat the shit out of a suspect for no reason? If so are they black? If yes here is your commendation.

Nalano
08-10-2012, 09:04 PM
Dude, as long as its not something hard like cocaine white people don't get any drama from the fuzz.

Funny you should mention cocaine. (http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/president-obama-signs-bill-reducing-cocaine-sentencing-disparity)

Stellar Duck
08-10-2012, 09:59 PM
Funny you should mention cocaine. (http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/president-obama-signs-bill-reducing-cocaine-sentencing-disparity)

Have you got like a list with material pertaining to US drug policies? :P

Hypernetic
08-10-2012, 10:00 PM
I WONDER WHY THAT IS.

10char

It's certainly not because there is more crime in those areas.. =/


Dude, as long as its not something hard like cocaine white people don't get any drama from the fuzz. And if they do go to court they have better lawyers and get far less prison time even for coke or heroin. I know dozens of white kids who got caught by the fuzz and all got off scott free. Whereas 75% of black people went to court and then to the slammer.

In a country full of racism cops are like 10x as likely to be seriously racist and they have the power to enforce that shit. And that's besides them just using the okayness of racism to be generally violent and get away with illegal shit.

Did you beat the shit out of a suspect for no reason? If so are they black? If yes here is your commendation.

I'm not trying to say racism doesn't exist or that our justice system is without flaws. I'm just saying that there is more to those numbers Nalano linked than simple skin color. I suppose if you go back far enough in history it might all boil down to skin color as the reason why we have "ghettos" and other such business.

Being white certainly doesn't make you immune to jail, however. As far as "soft drugs" like marijuana are concerned, you are probably less likely to go to jail for that in PA if you are black since in Philadelphia possession of up to 30 grams is considered a summary offense (i.e. like a traffic ticket) whereas it's a misdemeanor in the rest of the state.

Around here cops are pretty much equal assholes to everyone. I've had cops beat me up and rob me, one even bashed in my knee with a baton.

Smashbox
09-10-2012, 01:24 AM
If it makes you feel any better, I was in Maine all weekend and read the Sat., Sun., & Mon. morning papers. This was not mentioned once.

LTK
09-10-2012, 07:25 AM
Is it usual for the papers to mention politicians' shit-flinging? I mean, there's a lot of it, maybe even too much to be worth reporting on.

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09-10-2012, 08:52 AM
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MoLAoS
09-10-2012, 12:51 PM
Funny you should mention cocaine. (http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/president-obama-signs-bill-reducing-cocaine-sentencing-disparity)

I know right? The fact that an 18:1 disparity is a landmark is so embarrassing.

Moraven
09-10-2012, 11:59 PM
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/419924/october-08-2012/koch-brothers---orc-senate-candidate

Rauten
10-10-2012, 12:22 AM
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/419924/october-08-2012/koch-brothers---orc-senate-candidate

I am now officially gay for that man.

Memph
10-10-2012, 01:23 AM
vidya

i'll be far too long dead before getting to live in space thanks to mooks like him :[
did he seriously attribute what he'd learned as a scientist to a book you get for free in a motel? jesus christ indeed...

Hypernetic
10-10-2012, 01:45 AM
i'll be far too long dead before getting to live in space thanks to mooks like him :[
did he seriously attribute what he'd learned as a scientist to a book you get for free in a motel? jesus christ indeed...

I think at some point he became "saved" I guess and rejected what he had previously learned as blasphemy.

The thing I have the hardest time wrapping my head around is how someone could be a medical doctor and deny embryology. I mean denying evolution is pretty stupid as well, but I digress.

Here is when you might want to kill yourself though: http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/09/14317026-only-the-best-for-the-house-science-committee?lite

Finicky
10-10-2012, 02:33 AM
Around here cops are pretty much equal assholes to everyone. I've had cops beat me up and rob me, one even bashed in my knee with a baton.

How does that even happen?
I can't imagine having to live in fear of the police, over here in Belgium the term 'public servant' actually has meaning. They don't harass people (not even brown people), they don't talk down (ever).
They treat you like your baker or butcher would, as in they are there to serve you.

If a cop bashed in someone's knee over here or robbed them then it would be in the news for weeks and weeks.

If they stop you here your biggest concern is losing some money over a ticket, the thought of a gun pointed at you (let alone getting shot) would never come to mind, nor would the thought of getting beaten or dragged out of your car or getting arrested.

If I lived in a place where I had to be scared everytime a cop talked to me or pulled me over... I would move... to a place that didn't feel like it was under military law.

Hypernetic
10-10-2012, 04:29 AM
How does that even happen?
I can't imagine having to live in fear of the police, over here in Belgium the term 'public servant' actually has meaning. They don't harass people (not even brown people), they don't talk down (ever).
They treat you like your baker or butcher would, as in they are there to serve you.

If a cop bashed in someone's knee over here or robbed them then it would be in the news for weeks and weeks.

If they stop you here your biggest concern is losing some money over a ticket, the thought of a gun pointed at you (let alone getting shot) would never come to mind, nor would the thought of getting beaten or dragged out of your car or getting arrested.

If I lived in a place where I had to be scared everytime a cop talked to me or pulled me over... I would move... to a place that didn't feel like it was under military law.

Welcome to America? It happens in every major city every single day. If you are fortunate to catch it on video, you might have a case, otherwise nobody will even believe you over the police.

Who's going to believe a junkie over a cop?

Tritagonist
10-10-2012, 08:28 AM
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/419924/october-08-2012/koch-brothers---orc-senate-candidate

It's been a while since I've watched the man's show, but that was nice. The robot-killer drone punchline was great.


Welcome to America?

In addition to this post; for an example of the American police in action: http://www.thenation.com/article/170413/stopped-and-frisked-being-fking-mutt-video