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siegarettes
07-10-2012, 02:16 AM
Let me preface this topic by saying that I don't enjoy the term "hardcore". It has a sort of stigma too it that I'm not happy to apply. However, it is the easiest way to refer to those dedicated players.

Personally, I spend a lot of time reading up on games, researching games, and writing about them. These days I seem to be spending less time gaming, but anyone who has a conversation with me about games can attest that I am very serious about them. I'm wondering however, what makes a player "hardcore" in the personal opinions of you dear RPS readers.

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 02:20 AM
Depends on the genre. For the most part though I think a high number of hours played per day/week defines it. So basically, a hardcore gamer is someone who spends a lot of time playing games and is completely unrelated to their skill level.

squirrel
07-10-2012, 02:33 AM
Maybe those who enjoy video gaming dedicated enough to start writing games by their own, those should be considered hardcore?

BTW how much it should cost one financially to be hardcore?

Ritashi
07-10-2012, 02:41 AM
Ya, but you can spend 20-40 hours a week on WoW and still only ever play casually. I think it has to take more than amount of time spent; sure, you need to spend a good amount of time on the game to be considered hardcore, but at the end of the day that's more a result of being hardcore than the cause of it. To me, a hardcore player is defined more by their level of dedication to the game. A hardcore player not only plays the game, they also have deep knowledge of it. They could spend as much time on forums and wikis for the game as they do actually playing it. Another factor is the drive to improve. If you just sit down and play a game because it's fun, then leave, you're not hardcore. A hardcore gamer plays not only for the enjoyment of the game, but also to become better at the game. It's not about whether they're highly skilled, but more that they have a drive to become more skilled.

Basically, for me a hardcore player is anyone who is dedicated to being the best they can be at the game.

Sparkasaurusmex
07-10-2012, 02:42 AM
What makes a player "hardcore"


Dying in an internet cafe after playing Starcraft for a hundred hours straight.

Edit: Also this
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Edit again: There is a good point hidden in Ritashi's comment that I neglected to think about when I put the photo- you can be a hardcore gamer without spending more than necessary to run your games.

siegarettes
07-10-2012, 02:47 AM
Depends on the genre. For the most part though I think a high number of hours played per day/week defines it. So basically, a hardcore gamer is someone who spends a lot of time playing games and is completely unrelated to their skill level.

That was my first thought, but then again I personally have played about 16 hours of games in the last 2 weeks according to Steam. That's of course not counting the time I play on handhelds, other consoles and mobile games. Even looking at my raptr playtime stats (http://raptr.com/hardpixelrain/wall) you'll see I generally play games for an hour or less at a time.

On the other hand, I've put significant time into almost every genre, spent an irresponsible amount of money on games, write and talk constantly about games, check tons of news sites and bother making posts about it on game forums. At one point I was even making games as well.

squirrel
07-10-2012, 02:48 AM
Basically, for me a hardcore player is anyone who is dedicated to being the best they can be at the game.

Yeah, and this "being the best" can be beyond imagination of casual gamers like me. I have friends who are very dedicated to the MMOs they play, and they do a lot research on the games they are playing. And when I say researches, those are really researches...... papers! Just like those academic papers you would come across in a college library. They keeps box files of handwritten or photocopies notes on their studies of the games. I dont understand those notes a bit, and they are guarded as if they are top-class national security. I was allowed to have a look, maybe just because I am unlikely to join the game, not a potential competitor. Anyway, I dont understand a word in those papers.

I always wonder, what can they achieve in the real society if they devote that same amount of effort in their career.

Wheelz
07-10-2012, 02:52 AM
How abusive you get when you lose, seems like a good measurement.

Hardcore players hate losing.

Spider Jerusalem
07-10-2012, 03:34 AM
how concerned you are with other people thinking you're hardcore, i imagine.

oh, and how often you use "qq" and the term "carebear".

arathain
07-10-2012, 03:42 AM
If you think you're hardcore, you are. If anyone else thinks you are hardcore, then you are. Do these conditions make you happy? Then do what makes you happy.

It's a meaningless term, with little practical application except to exclude anyone one chooses on largely arbitrary grounds. My goodness you lot like to spend an ungodly amount of time arguing over the definitions of terms with loose subjective meanings.

OK, time for this curmudgeon to go to bed before I start yelling about the kids on my lawn.

Nalano
07-10-2012, 03:57 AM
oh, and how often you use "qq" and the term "carebear".

The most aggressive players I've come across are the ones that call themselves 'carebears.'

Ritashi
07-10-2012, 04:09 AM
How abusive you get when you lose, seems like a good measurement.

Hardcore players hate losing.

That's not entirely fair though; there's probably good overlap on ragers and hardcore players, but I think you can be "l33t" and rage at "n00bs" without being hardcore, and similarly you can be hardcore yet very pleasant. Honestly, I think that players who rage probably don't generally count as hardcore, because if you constantly blame your team then you won't ever look at yourself and figure out how to improve.

Nalano
07-10-2012, 04:25 AM
A noob is somebody who, despite a great deal of experience in the game, fails to gain any skill in it.

A hardcore gamer is somebody who methodically deconstructs and experiments with the game mechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamesmanship) in order to gain an edge on his competitors. This is opposed to playing the game primarily for aesthetic pleasure or genial sportsmanship.

Sketch
07-10-2012, 04:36 AM
Ask them if they want to play Armed Assault. You'll get a varying response if they're hardcore or not.

BillButNotBen
07-10-2012, 04:45 AM
There are two definitions. There are Hardcore gamers who are basically big video game fans who have lots of experience and know a lot about the topic. These are different from the people who play CoD with their mates after drinking but don't rally care about anything deeper.

Then, within hardcore gamers (which everyone reading this would be) there is a hardcore of morons who have too much money/time and measure their self worth purely by their gaming skill/knowledge. We tend to try to ignore those guys as much as possible. Don't worry, they'll grow out of it.

Ritashi
07-10-2012, 06:23 AM
There are two definitions. There are Hardcore gamers who are basically big video game fans who have lots of experience and know a lot about the topic. These are different from the people who play CoD with their mates after drinking but don't rally care about anything deeper.

Then, within hardcore gamers (which everyone reading this would be) there is a hardcore of morons who have too much money/time and measure their self worth purely by their gaming skill/knowledge. We tend to try to ignore those guys as much as possible. Don't worry, they'll grow out of it.

I'm sure that all those professionals who make a living playing games will just "grow out of it" eventually. Seriously, all the hate that "hardcore" gamers receive is a bit annoying. And claiming that someone who does care more than you about their skill in games measures their self-worth purely by it is kind of ridiculous. You can care about something without it being the defining feature of your life. It's like the classic tactic where anyone with fewer achievements than you is a noob but anyone with more clearly has no life.

Heliocentric
07-10-2012, 07:10 AM
how concerned you are with other people thinking you're hardcore, i imagine..

No caring what others think is totally softcore


oh, and how often you use "qq" and the term "carebear". qq is not part of my volcabulary, but i use carebear to describe players who popularise/facilitate 'rules' which are contrary to the games structure "No rush 60 minutes".especially in persistent games, I am often within this category myself.

The most aggressive players I've come across are the ones that call themselves 'carebears.'
Wait!

A noob is somebody who, despite a great deal of experience in the game, fails to gain any skill in it.

A hardcore gamer is somebody who methodically deconstructs and experiments with the game mechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamesmanship) in order to gain an edge on his competitors. This is opposed to playing the game primarily for aesthetic pleasure or genial sportsmanship.

Ooh, i like that one, but there is not always a competitor. Its the nature of the deconstruction thats key, not competition. Look at Wizardry, his CRPG's do not include anyone else, yet his knowledge of their minutia is clear.

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 07:37 AM
No caring what others think is totally softcore

qq is not part of my volcabulary, but i use carebear to describe players who popularise/facilitate 'rules' which are contrary to the games structure "No rush 60 minutes".especially in persistent games, I am often within this category myself.

Wait!


Ooh, i like that one, but there is not always a competitor. Its the nature of the deconstruction thats key, not competition. Look at Wizardry, his CRPG's do not include anyone else, yet his knowledge of their minutia is clear.

There is always competition though, even in a SP game. There are things like speed runs or finding the best builds/party comps, and other such business.

siegarettes
07-10-2012, 07:52 AM
I almost want to define hardcore as "any player who makes videogames a significant part of their life".

Battle Programmer Spike
07-10-2012, 08:12 AM
The porn in they watch?

grasskit
07-10-2012, 08:17 AM
plays dwarf fortress without tilesets

spcd
07-10-2012, 11:29 AM
I hate the term hardcore players. There are people who play games for fun, some play it competitively and in that group some people earn money with it.

I have a car. I use my car to go to work and do other things as well. Am I a hardcore driver???

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 11:39 AM
I hate the term hardcore players. There are people who play games for fun, some play it competitively and in that group some people earn money with it.

I have a car. I use my car to go to work and do other things as well. Am I a hardcore driver???

Hardcore isn't really a term used positively outside of gaming. Going off your car example, if you raced cars at the track (or street) on the weekends you would be an amateur racer or racing enthusiast.

There really aren't any analogies that apply to this topic honestly, at least not that use the term "hardcore".

coldvvvave
07-10-2012, 11:41 AM
Isn't "Hardcore" equals "Elitist"?

peschiNL
07-10-2012, 11:57 AM
most of time its used for people who call themselfs "hardcore" to differentiate them from another group of players. The sad part is that these people are not better, its just a very desperate move to get some actual satisfaction from a game.

LTK
07-10-2012, 12:02 PM
If you think you're hardcore, you are. If anyone else thinks you are hardcore, then you are. Do these conditions make you happy? Then do what makes you happy.

It's a meaningless term, with little practical application except to exclude anyone one chooses on largely arbitrary grounds. My goodness you lot like to spend an ungodly amount of time arguing over the definitions of terms with loose subjective meanings.

OK, time for this curmudgeon to go to bed before I start yelling about the kids on my lawn.
This is the only thing in this thread I agree with.

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 12:04 PM
most of time its used for people who call themselfs "hardcore" to differentiate them from another group of players. The sad part is that these people are not better, its just a very desperate move to get some actual satisfaction from a game.

This sounds like one of those typical "anyone who is better than me lives in their mom's basement, is an elitist jerk, and has no life." and "anyone who is worse than me is a noob with no skill" type of statements to me. Don't be one of those people.

peschiNL
07-10-2012, 12:12 PM
This sounds like one of those typical "anyone who is better than me lives in their mom's basement, is an elitist jerk, and has no life." and "anyone who is worse than me is a noob with no skill" type of statements to me. Don't be one of those people.

you just made my point. thanks.

Kadayi
07-10-2012, 12:19 PM
I tend to think of hardcore as commitment to one particular title. When I get into a game, like I have recently with Dark Souls I'll tend to dig deep on it (I've clocked over 200+ hours on it so far), but a lot of that time is spent exploring the mechanics/environments and trying out different things (play one class for a few hours, then restart and play another) rather than necessarily replaying the game through and through and learning it backwards. The people who do that I tend to view as hardcore, where as myself I'd describe more as a gaming enthusiast, despite the hours I'll put into them.

Hypernetic
07-10-2012, 01:36 PM
you just made my point. thanks.

No, I really didn't.

agentorange
07-10-2012, 01:54 PM
Pretty sure it's when they show full penetration.

MOKKA
07-10-2012, 01:57 PM
'Hardcore', at least in relation to video games, for me mostly is just a stupid, hollow attribution used to arbitrarely categorize people. It's a marketing term, made up by people who think in demographics and target-audiences and who are generally obesessed with categorizing human beings into groups to make it easier for them to advertise their stupid products.

deano2099
07-10-2012, 02:12 PM
I'm sure that all those professionals who make a living playing games will just "grow out of it" eventually.

More they'll be forced out of it, as much like the other industry where 'hardcore' is often used, there's a time-limit on it. In this case, your reaction speed drops, your endurance drops, and so on.

Gray Guardian
07-10-2012, 02:41 PM
A hardcore player does like this guy, only uses the name of his preferred title or the word 'hardcore' itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7MamMiOpw

Unaco
07-10-2012, 03:34 PM
I've always felt that this is Hardcore...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXbLyi5wgeg

Actually, taking the definition to be "An intractable core or nucleus of a group or society, especially one that is stubbornly resistant to improvement or change", then you could likely label half the people that comment here with it.

Mohorovicic
07-10-2012, 07:47 PM
If you spent majority of your free time doing x(and/or talking/writing about x), you are hardcore x-er.

Robert
07-10-2012, 11:13 PM
This sounds like one of those typical "anyone who is better than me lives in their mom's basement, is an elitist jerk, and has no life." and "anyone who is worse than me is a noob with no skill" type of statements to me. Don't be one of those people.

Actually, he is right in the sense that "hardcore" is a typical descriptive name for someone who does want to put people in groups related to relative worth. If you derive pleasure or selfworth from putting yourself on another level as someone else, then yes, he has a point.

Myself, I give a rat's arse what someone calls themselves or me. I play my games and enjoy them (or not). Do I need a description in which way I play certain games? Not really.

Heliocentric
07-10-2012, 11:30 PM
Pretty sure it's when they show full penetration.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxx1sFv2xyQ
?

archonsod
07-10-2012, 11:59 PM
Mineralised osseous tissue. Unless of course the player is a jellyfish or similar.

SirDavies
08-10-2012, 01:39 AM
Hardcore gamers play these (http://www.funny-games.biz/hardcore-xxx-games-3.html)

MadJax
08-10-2012, 02:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxx1sFv2xyQ
?

You, sir, win the game.

Kannaaashi
18-10-2012, 07:48 AM
can you really define "hardcore players" based on the games they play? Well, for me hardcore players are those who does not have any other life than their HPs in game.

Tritagonist
18-10-2012, 08:33 AM
I would define 'hardcore players' as people who are unusually serious about their game of choice compared to the average player. Just like falling prices aren't always deflation, I don't think a simple numerical value such as the hours spent on a game shows a whole lot other than that a person doesn't have much to do during the day.

To illustrate: for most sim-racing games there are applications to parse recorded replays with graphs about a car's speed, throttle input, lateral G-forces, its springs and tyre pressure etc. Hardcore players, in my definition, love that stuff. They'd rather spend 10 minutes watching those statistics and diagrams than driving another three laps to 'experiment and see if it gets better'. I wouldn't equate being a 'hardcore player' with spending thousands of dollars on hardware either: that always seemed more of a quality of life issue to me. You don't need a force-feedback chair, real steel USB wheels and six monitors to be very serious about sim-racing.

In the context of MMOs, people who have played World of Warcraft will be familiar with the folks over at Elitist Jerks. They are great guys, very helpful - but let's just say I'm more interested in the results of their work than the actual stuff they get up to. To those who don't know: the people at that site tend to be very serious about the game. This leads to Excel-sheets full of variables regarding item-stats, optimized movement patterns, guides on which talents to change on an encounter-by-encounter basis, etc.

postinternetsyndrome
18-10-2012, 09:31 AM
I wouldn't define "hardcore players". It's a term that is sometimes useful, but mostly useless. The most precise defenition I would submit is "very dedicated gamer". There's really no need to be more specific.

DaftPunk
18-10-2012, 02:08 PM
Q: What makes a player "hardcore" ??


A: Big chest.

Diesel-
18-10-2012, 03:32 PM
If you play any other than casual, dumbed down and mainstream games and play sophisticated games then you are hardcore.

NathanH
18-10-2012, 03:36 PM
What happens if you play casual games, dumbed down games, mainstream games, and sophisticated games?

I mean, Audiosurf is pretty casual, but ninja mono ironmode Sonata Arctica songs are pretty hardcore.

Squiz
18-10-2012, 03:47 PM
I fail to see where mainstream and sophisticated don't fit together.

NathanH
18-10-2012, 03:52 PM
I fail to see where mainstream and sophisticated don't fit together.

I liked mainstream games before it became cool.

Tikey
18-10-2012, 03:53 PM
I fail to see where mainstream and sophisticated don't fit together.

That's because you're not h4RdC0Rxx!

Mohorovicic
18-10-2012, 04:45 PM
I mean, Audiosurf is pretty casual, but ninja mono ironmode Sonata Arctica songs are pretty hardcore.

Try Toreador II by Apo. It seems normal enough, but the traffic super heavy and the positioning of some blocks is just devilish.

Bhazor
18-10-2012, 06:24 PM
... what was that? Sorry I can't hear you over all this Dwarf Fortressing!

Internet
18-10-2012, 06:50 PM
Idiocy and elitism. Hardcore gamers largely operate under the idea that consumption and has inherent value. So they use the term to separate themselves from other people who like different games, and the term is an effort to legitimize their own activities while delegitimizing the activities of others.

Nalano
18-10-2012, 07:23 PM
Idiocy and elitism.

The amount of hatred they prompt from people who should know better.

Gray Guardian
18-10-2012, 07:36 PM
What happens if you play casual games, dumbed down games, mainstream games, and sophisticated games?

I mean, Audiosurf is pretty casual, but ninja mono ironmode Sonata Arctica songs are pretty hardcore.

Also try Dragonforce ;)

SirDavies
18-10-2012, 09:05 PM
I like trains

Patrick Swayze
18-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Hardcore gamer=

Big poster on RPS forum.

Pirate all their games.

Spend more time hating on games they steal and play than actually playing them.

Rauten
18-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Hardcore gamer=

Big poster on RPS forum.

Pirate all their games.

Spend more time hating on games they steal and play than actually playing them.

You mean, by buying games these past few years, I've actually moved away from being H4RDC0R3!1!1!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Heliocentric
18-10-2012, 09:49 PM
Hardcore gamer=

Big poster on RPS forum.

Pirate all their games.

Spend more time hating on games they steal and play than actually playing them.

is that 2/3 or 1/3 if I don't pirate?

Nalano
18-10-2012, 10:33 PM
Hardcore gamer=

Big poster on RPS forum.

Pirate all their games.

Spend more time hating on games they steal and play than actually playing them.

Does it count if I merely strip my games of annoying DRM?