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Hiphat
20-11-2012, 12:02 AM
My Kaspersky Anti-Virus is up for its yearly renewal again and I was wondering if I should bother? I was reading around and some people don't even bother using a anti-virus program anymore and I was thinking the same thing. I mean I really don't download anything dodgy anymore and I certainly haven't had a virus on my machine in years.

Whenever this is due to the anti-virus working(Probably not as it usually tells me if I had a virus, I think) or me not downloading anything suspicious I just don't know.

Tell me, do you use anti-virus? Shall I keep using it? is it worth the yearly sub and system hog? I'm in two minds at the moment.

DeathPig
20-11-2012, 03:08 AM
I've been using Avast's Free Edition for like 5 years now. And I've never experienced a virus in my system.

trjp
20-11-2012, 03:14 AM
I reckon ALL the paid AV products are snake oil - I've used Microsoft's Security Essentials on over 100 PCs now and I've seen not one virus on any of them.

If you intend to actively seek-out viruses (e.g. download pirated games etc.) it MIGHT be worth getting one of the big hitters like Kaspersky, simply because they are a bit more aggressive with the updates. For a regular PC user tho, they're all a waste of money

and - indeed - to justify their cost they're all bloated PC crippling shit too

p.s. if you never received EXE files from other people - never connect-up other peoples portable drives - never download 'dodgy' stuff, I'd actually say you don't need an AV product at all tbh - and your system will go faster as a result :)

In just under 3 years this PC has produced just 3 virus alerts, all related to the files I keep on my 'toolbox' flashdrive which include some things like WGA removal tools and Windows Activation Tools (useful when the licence code has been scrubbed-off the base of laptops -honest!)

The JG Man
20-11-2012, 03:25 AM
I reckon ALL the paid AV products are snake oil - I've used Microsoft's Security Essentials on over 100 PCs now and I've seen not one virus on any of them.

+1 to MSE. Clean, efficient and doesn't get in the way. Also free.

Hiphat
20-11-2012, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the replys. I think i'm going to ditch Kaspersky from now on. I had a look at the Microsoft security essentials and it looks like the thing i'm looking for as i'm still not sure about not using any anti-virus.

Jesus_Phish
20-11-2012, 02:40 PM
I've used AVGs free version for about five/six years across five machines. Never once had a virus. Other machines where used by people less experienced than me (parents) and still no virus.

I wouldn't go as far as to not use an antivirus, but I wouldn't pay for one.

Faldrath
20-11-2012, 02:44 PM
I've been using MSE for 2 years now, no complaints whatsoever.

Kadayi
20-11-2012, 03:06 PM
I used to go with Avast for a while which I thought was ok, but of late I've just gone with MSE like a few others it seems.

mashakos
20-11-2012, 05:05 PM
Agree with the rest, been riding the internet tubes without an antivirus for 11 years. Implementing best practices and a strong firewall are enough.

Mohorovicic
20-11-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm on COMODO, because I wanted their firewall and they threw in the anti-virus for free.

Ravelle
21-11-2012, 11:02 AM
Whatever you do, don't get Bitdefender because it will fuck your computer up. I made the mistake of buying it and not knowing it was subscription based with auto renewal, and there is no normal way to cancel it. I had to make my paypal block any transactions with them and contact the Bitdefender support to cancel it.

Rossi
22-11-2012, 02:25 PM
Agree with the rest, been riding the internet tubes without an antivirus for 11 years. Implementing best practices and a strong firewall are enough.

What firewall do you use out of interest?

gravity_spoon
23-11-2012, 04:27 PM
MSE here too. Tried many but Security Essentials is the least intrusive one and also puts least stress of my system.

The Tupper
23-11-2012, 05:01 PM
Yet another vote for MSE - it works quietly, reliably and free-ly.

Although I remember one wag at the time of its release claiming it was like putting the hens in charge of the hen-coop.

eRa
23-11-2012, 09:04 PM
Agree with the rest, been riding the internet tubes without an antivirus for 11 years. Implementing best practices and a strong firewall are enough.

This, since I started building my own rigs about ten years ago I never used any AV software. Completely unnecessary if you have half a brain.

johnki
23-11-2012, 09:27 PM
I've been using MSE for 2 years now, no complaints whatsoever.
This. It's lightweight, easy to use, and it's made by Microsoft so it's not nagware.

EDIT: For Win8, Windows Defender is actually now the latest version of MSE.

Protoman
23-11-2012, 10:08 PM
If you don't torrent, there's not a whole lot of reason to run av at all. Just scan your system every so often, double check everything you download, and generally don't do anything stupid. Running an av program will only slow you down.
For when I need to charge into the fray, I actually have an entirely separate computer that runs linux. That's the best thing you can do to your rig if you're scared of viruses- stop running windows.

Similar
24-11-2012, 11:54 AM
I've been using the free Avira for some years, mainly because its detection gets some of the highest test scores, but I'm getting a bit fed up with the nag pop ups, also because some of them are for some business card deal which just seems spammy. Besides, the installer for the most recent version is 100+ mb. which is a bit ridiculous for a virus checker.

I really only need an on-demand scanner, but I can't find any. They all have all sorts of other crap now.

Maybe I should give MSE another try. It doesn't get very good test scores, but it seems to be working okay for people anyway.

trjp
25-11-2012, 05:43 AM
The 'test scores' are really nonsense - viruses aren't really the big problem anymore anyway, spyware and malware are and that's a different game entirely.

Malware is a problem in that a lot of AV doesn't even consider it a threat - I once ran into a system which had a 'hijacker' fake anti-virus installed which was refusing to let the owner use the system until they paid $39.99 to 'remove viruses' (which weren't real of course). Norton - fully paid up - was sitting there ignoring this thing - which had almost completely stopped the PC from working (it broke the link to .exe files so nothing would execute from Start Menus etc.) - a Norton scan found 'nothing'!!

I've seen similar things with other AVs - and thus I tend to think you need a basic/solid AV (MSE) and a decent scanning anti-malware (Malwarebytes is probably still best - abeit they're doing their best to spoil it with junkware and stuff).

Well, unless you intend to spend your life looking at '0 day' releases (the only place the really nasty new stuff ever appears) then you may want 'belt and braces' support - but in reality what you really want is Sandboxie :)

Hiphat
25-11-2012, 07:48 AM
Well I uninstalled Kaspersky and installed MSE and its probably the best thing i'v done system wise to my computer in ages. It boots up a hell of a lot quicker and my harddrive doesn't seem to be spinning all the time. I should of got rid of the shitty bloatware years ago. Thanks for all the suggestions.

Similar
25-11-2012, 01:00 PM
I've seen similar things with other AVs - and thus I tend to think you need a basic/solid AV (MSE) and a decent scanning anti-malware (Malwarebytes is probably still best - abeit they're doing their best to spoil it with junkware and stuff).
Agreed. Aside from antivirus, I also use Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware (horrible name, but I've heard good things about it).

I had a partial infection by that fake antivirus some years ago too and in my case, the antivirus I was using (I don't remember if it was Avast or Avira at the time) also wasn't of much help.

trjp
26-11-2012, 01:21 AM
I had a partial infection by that fake antivirus some years ago too and in my case, the antivirus I was using (I don't remember if it was Avast or Avira at the time) also wasn't of much help.

I've removed dozens of those hijackware "you have a virus - pay me to remove it" things from PCs - some were just nagging, some had basically taken over the entire PC and wouldn't let you use anything at all.

In all cases the PCs had a proper AV (Norton, Kaspersky or McAfee) and in all cases the AV didn't care because the 'malware' wasn't trying to steal keypresses or hijack the network or harm files - e.g. it wasn't a virus and so they just sat there doing nowt.

I'm so good at removing those I talked a total PC novice (my other half) through doing on in 2-3 mins on the phone once - but it's gauling that this happens on PCs people have paid money to protect.

I despise PC 'security' firms - they're selling fear and snake oil for that fear - it's over the borderline dishonesty.

There was a case in the US recently where a PC 'consultant' (a guy in a computer shop) convinced a man that his PC was under attack from people who were trying to track him down to kill him - the man paid millions of dollars to this guy to protect him and the FBI arrested him as he was packing to leggit. He was charged with fraud and allsorts but he didn't do anything that the anti-virus industry doesn't do - which is overcharge for protecting you against a greatly overstated threat with no guarantee of success and no comeback if it fails :)

Draakon
28-11-2012, 06:43 AM
As a person who has repaired a dozens of PC's due to viruses, malware and other goodies, even though all they did was read e-mails, I'd say running a PC without AV is a very high security risk. You will never know when something hit you (even if you do so called "safe" stuff only, there still a change) before it's too late. At minimum, have MSE (Win 7) or Windows Defender (Win 8) up & running.

Now, about the so called performance. Yes, Kaspersky does use a lot of resources, but there are exceptions in the AV world. For example, I use ESET Smart Security, even have bought a 1 year license for about 30€. And I have not regret buying it. Anyway, I use real-time scanner and other real time stuff and I have to say, besides a bit of waiting (for AV to finish scanning) after some downloads, I have not encountered any performance hits at all when gaming or doing other activities. Probably you will have problems when playing and downloading at the same time, but then again, should you really do that?

Nathan
17-12-2012, 10:35 AM
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Similar
17-12-2012, 05:33 PM
Does anyone know what MSE's real time protection does? Does it only check installs and downloads or does it check programs you run too? In the past, you often got problems with antivirus slowing games down and such and I'm wondering if this is a problem with MSE too.

Velko
18-12-2012, 08:54 AM
Hello dear the best Anti Virus is Avest antivirus this is best antivirus for protect internet viruses and all other viruses and a security sheild for your computer and the biggest benifit of this antivirus is not make slow to your computer or laptop i am using this antivirus in my pc and laptop and this is good ...

......what?

Vicious
18-12-2012, 11:10 AM
Does anyone know what MSE's real time protection does? Does it only check installs and downloads or does it check programs you run too? In the past, you often got problems with antivirus slowing games down and such and I'm wondering if this is a problem with MSE too.
In my experience, it scans files downloaded, when you open a folder it scans the contents of the folder, etc etc. Doesn't seem to interfere with games in any way though.

Similar
18-12-2012, 02:12 PM
In my experience, it scans files downloaded, when you open a folder it scans the contents of the folder, etc etc. Doesn't seem to interfere with games in any way though.
Thanks. That was my impression too. I just remember AV from the late nineties that scanned everything every time something was loaded. That could really slow games down.

I have a lot of slow downs in Far Cry 2, so I wondered if MSE might be a factor, but it's probably something else.

trjp
18-12-2012, 04:43 PM
Thanks. That was my impression too. I just remember AV from the late nineties that scanned everything every time something was loaded. That could really slow games down.

I have a lot of slow downs in Far Cry 2, so I wondered if MSE might be a factor, but it's probably something else.

All AV products will 'slow' your PC to some extend - they will scan many types of files before they're loaded etc. - this is why I tend to tell people - esp people with older PCs - that a good way to speed-up their system is to ditch their AV (and engage their common-sense).

Most of MSE's work is done at startup tho - system startup and first-time program launches thereafter. A good way to eliminate an AV as your source of performance issues is to run a game - play for a bit - quit - re-run it. The 2nd time the AV won't do anything (unless the game modifies it's own files for some reason) and so if it's still slow - it's not your AV

The other way to diagnose this is to use the Windows Performance doodah and see is the MSE processes are using CPU ofc.

Similar
18-12-2012, 06:27 PM
All AV products will 'slow' your PC to some extend - they will scan many types of files before they're loaded etc. - this is why I tend to tell people - esp people with older PCs - that a good way to speed-up their system is to ditch their AV (and engage their common-sense).
I've always tended to turn real-time protection off in AV and only used their on-demand scanners for the same reason.


Most of MSE's work is done at startup tho - system startup and first-time program launches thereafter. A good way to eliminate an AV as your source of performance issues is to run a game - play for a bit - quit - re-run it. The 2nd time the AV won't do anything (unless the game modifies it's own files for some reason) and so if it's still slow - it's not your AV
yeah, it likely isn't then. I've played FC2 for 41 hours in a few days and have started and restarted it a lot of times. It doesn't seem to have made any difference. If anything, the game seems to run slightly better right after I start it.

It's just odd because I played it on my now dead desktop, which was less powerful than my current laptop, and it ran better back then. The desktop had less RAM, less video RAM and a generally less powerful GPU. What it did have was fast HDs, while the laptop only has a 5400rpm HD, but still, Skyrim must be doing a lot of loading too and I didn't have these FPS drops when I played it on this same laptop.
I don't know. I can't see any pattern to the slow downs in FC2. It seems very random. Setting everything to low or off in the graphics settings hasn't really helped much either.


The other way to diagnose this is to use the Windows Performance doodah and see is the MSE processes are using CPU ofc.
Maybe a good idea in general in case there's something else that is eating resources.

Thanks.

Similar
20-12-2012, 01:32 AM
Of course, now that I'd posted about the slow downs in Far Cry 2 during the 41 hours I'd played it, I played for six hours more today and finished the game. During those final six hours the game ran perfectly fine with no slowdowns at all.
I have no idea what is going on...

trjp
20-12-2012, 12:15 PM
Of course, now that I'd posted about the slow downs in Far Cry 2 during the 41 hours I'd played it, I played for six hours more today and finished the game. During those final six hours the game ran perfectly fine with no slowdowns at all.
I have no idea what is going on...
You invoked Sod's Law...

I bought a snow shovel last week - there will be no snow in the North East of England this decade.

I will be buying a brollie tomorrow - prepare for the summer! :)

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20-12-2012, 01:17 PM
You invoked Sod's Law...

I bought a snow shovel last week - there will be no snow in the North East of England this decade.

I will be buying a brollie tomorrow - prepare for the summer! :)
hehe. It does remind me of when I made graphics at a TV station; it happened improbably often that the computers worked perfectly when I was the only one who used them. When I had to show the graphics to the person I'd made them for, something went wrong, and when I then wanted to show the problem to a colleague so we could figure out how to fix it, it worked perfectly again.

BillButNotBen
20-12-2012, 01:45 PM
I've had avast for so long that i'm reluctant to ditch it. I rarely do anything dodgy these days, but I have had 2-3 alerts just for browsing to relatively benign looking websites. Usually for something javascripty hidden in an iframe or ad.

There's been a lot of stories about bot-nets and people using other PCs to send malicious emails recently, so I'm reluctant to go completely unprotected. When I get around to upgrading to win8 I might just go with the built in MSE, but on the other hand, it seems to present a bigger target to use the same AV that everyone else will be using... in the same way that Windows presents a bigger target than mac/linux.

In recent years people say malware and spyware are more of a threat, but in 5+ years of running spybot/etc.. I can't say they've ever found anything other than a few doubleclick cookies.

Danny252
20-12-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm interested in all these people who go without AV because they browse sensibly - what's your solution if you come across a compromised website? I think every time my AV has thrown a fit is because a website I "knew" was safe had been attacked and was trying to do all sorts of naughty things.

Vicious
20-12-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm interested in all these people who go without AV because they browse sensibly - what's your solution if you come across a compromised website? I think every time my AV has thrown a fit is because a website I "knew" was safe had been attacked and was trying to do all sorts of naughty things.
Because it hasn't happened yet, it won't happen in the future.

I can't remember which logical fallacy it is, but it's certainly one of them!

digirob10
31-12-2012, 01:00 AM
i would say avast