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Shane
25-11-2012, 02:21 AM
I had made a backup .json of my thousands of bookmarks a fortnight ago, before uninistalling Forefox. Today, I decided that Firefox was the better browser after all, and while trying to restore those backups I ended up overwriting the file with my bookmarks for Chrome. Is there any way to retrieve them? I looked around on Google, and most people recommend getting backups from your profile folder in AppData, I didn't find the original file in there.

Similar
25-11-2012, 02:57 AM
Nothing in the Firefox\Profiles\[xxx.default]\bookmarkbackups\ folder either?
It looks like mine has a daily backup in there.

trjp
25-11-2012, 03:08 AM
If you're overwritten the actual same file - same name and location - then there's no realistic chance of recovering that file, so unless there's another copy somewhere, you're screwed.

If the file was deleted at some point (even if it's gone from the Recycle Bin), there's a longshot that an HDD recovery program could get the file back for you.

There are a few to chose from - some offer limited 'free' recovery - most will at least tell you what they can find 'for free'. They may, for example, find your old Firefox profile directory...

At this point I have to ask why you're not

a - using an online bookmarking solution like XMarks?
b - using a proper backup utility like Dropbox/SugarSync/Crashplan??
c - sticking with Chrome as it's quicker/slicker than Firefox by a country mile???

Shane
25-11-2012, 03:33 AM
Nothing in the Firefox\Profiles\[xxx.default]\bookmarkbackups\ folder either?
It looks like mine has a daily backup in there.

Here's the thing: The file wasn't there, but I managed to recover it using Recuva. The problem is that the Firefox gives 'Unable to process the backup file'. Someone please tell me there's hope.



a - using an online bookmarking solution like XMarks?
b - using a proper backup utility like Dropbox/SugarSync/Crashplan??
c - sticking with Chrome as it's quicker/slicker than Firefox by a country mile???

a,b ...It never crossed my mind, honestly. As for c, that's the reason why I made that backup in the first place, but I never got around to actually trying Chrome.

Similar
25-11-2012, 04:13 AM
Here's the thing: The file wasn't there, but I managed to recover it using Recuva. The problem is that the Firefox gives 'Unable to process the backup file'. Someone please tell me there's hope.
hmm. Might be corrupted? If you open it in a text editor, you should be able to see if some of it has turned into garbage (the format looks relatively straight forward, so if there's suddenly all sorts of odd characters, something is wrong).

Shane
25-11-2012, 04:32 AM
Is there a way to fix or salvage something from it?

trjp
25-11-2012, 04:32 AM
Yeah, a bookmarks file should just be a text file rammed with URLs so even if it's partly corrupt or just not in a format FF can read, you should be able to make some sense of it.

Try opening the file in notepad (or a proper editor if you have one installed)

trjp
25-11-2012, 04:37 AM
Also - let Recuva check for the whole profile folder - the 'backups' are taken when you ask but the actual bookmarks should be stored in a plain HTML file in there too!?!?

Shane
25-11-2012, 05:55 AM
Also - let Recuva check for the whole profile folder - the 'backups' are taken when you ask but the actual bookmarks should be stored in a plain HTML file in there too!?!?

Since I had replaced my own backup, I had been trying to retrieve the ones that the software makes by itself. Anyway, they're back! Doing the deep search in Recuva showed up a whole bunch of undamaged files that the normal scan had missed. Lesson learnt, I'm uploading the files to a cloud and my gmail account. Thanks for the help.

Sakkura
25-11-2012, 01:00 PM
At this point I have to ask why you're not

a - using an online bookmarking solution like XMarks?
b - using a proper backup utility like Dropbox/SugarSync/Crashplan??
c - sticking with Chrome as it's quicker/slicker than Firefox by a country mile???
Because it's not.

http://i.imgur.com/8MsHO.png (http://imgur.com/8MsHO)

Bobtree
25-11-2012, 05:08 PM
If you're on Windows Vista/7/etc and had Shadow Volume Copy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Copy) enabled, then you can probably restore a backup of the deleted files (Restore Previous Versions).

trjp
25-11-2012, 09:14 PM
Because it's not.

http://i.imgur.com/8MsHO.png (http://imgur.com/8MsHO)

The big issue, for me, is startup time - where Chrome is head, shoulders, arse and elbow ahead of Firefox (Chrome is near-instant on this PC - Firefox takes 20-25 seconds to start).

It's also slicker when it comes to running addons - I have a stack of addons in Chrome and it makes no obvious difference to startup-time or in-browsing performance wheras the same addons in Firefox not only take eons to startup but actively slow the thing down (to the extent I was disabling most of them just to use Firefox at all).

Chrome is a big resource waster tho - every addon consumes a tonne of memory and can consume CPU as well but when you have loads of memory and cores, that doesn't really matter.

Chrome is also more secure - the way it 'sandboxes' Flash and other stuff means it crashes less often - it's a better tool for development and debugging IMO

Believe me, I've used both on various systems extensively - as a user and a developer - and I'd take Chrome every single time. I would, however, keep Firefox for the odd site which Chrome doesn't work well with - which includes, ironically, Google's own Developer Site for Android!! :)

Danny252
25-11-2012, 10:58 PM
Chrome is also more secure - the way it 'sandboxes' Flash and other stuff means it crashes less often - it's a better tool for development and debugging IMO

Firefox sandboxes all plugins in the Plugin Container.

Sakkura
26-11-2012, 12:15 AM
The big issue, for me, is startup time - where Chrome is head, shoulders, arse and elbow ahead of Firefox (Chrome is near-instant on this PC - Firefox takes 20-25 seconds to start).
Firefox starts up slightly faster than Chrome in Windows 7. In Windows 8, it is, well, head, shoulders, arse and elbow ahead of Chrome in that department.

http://i.imgur.com/gmeFC.png (http://imgur.com/gmeFC)


Not to give the impression that Firefox is better across the board, but in these specific areas it's definitely better than Chrome.
It's just a testament to how fast things move in the browser wars. Look at the huge gains for IE between Win 7 and Win 8 - which includes stepping up from IE 9 to IE 10.

Heliocentric
26-11-2012, 07:32 AM
Every time I launch fire fox a game or app has installed a toolbar in stealth. Chrome checks if I want this crap installed or not, generally speaking opera, chrome and firefox are all "alright", my favourite browser is opera mini, security concerns aside it turns mobiles that I'd shoot if they were horses into competent systems.

I just want to have a competitive browser market so they are forced to get better.

trjp
26-11-2012, 11:44 AM
Firefox starts up slightly faster than Chrome in Windows 7. In Windows 8, it is, well, head, shoulders, arse and elbow ahead of Chrome in that department.

http://i.imgur.com/gmeFC.png (http://imgur.com/gmeFC)

As I said before - on this system, with broadly the same plugins, Firefox takes so long to start that I can make coffee - Chrome is near-instant.

I think Chrome's approach to 'silent' upgrades and loading plugins after launch is it's advantage there - that and the fact that webkit is simply a better renderer for most webpages (and almost anything HTML5 or CSS3)

The fact I develop for mobile platforms locks me into Chrome anyway (as webkit is the browser on both mobile platforms worth caring about) but I'd stick with Chrome even without that link - it just feels more modern and slicker than Firefox.

I used Firefox for years - I still use it for some stuff (some things debug better in Firebug on Mozilla) but it feels like a cranky old product for the most part. It's become a bit bloated and a bit sloppy in terms of fixing problems.

Not everything in life is covered in benchmarks y'see :)

Sakkura
26-11-2012, 12:23 PM
If it's going to be about gut feeling that's alright, just don't claim it's clearly better in something benchmarkable when the benchmarks disagree with you.

Taking so long to start that you can make coffee sounds like a bug. Bugs, especially with plugins/addons, happen to all browsers.

trjp
26-11-2012, 04:23 PM
If it's going to be about gut feeling that's alright, just don't claim it's clearly better in something benchmarkable when the benchmarks disagree with you.

Taking so long to start that you can make coffee sounds like a bug. Bugs, especially with plugins/addons, happen to all browsers.
The 'benchmark' isn't some holy "always right" thing - it's one result on one system and will in no way pan-out to every system. In most cases, in fact, benchmarks are 100% useless because of that - they often aren't even 'like for like' comparisons - and people compare apples and oranges too.

I said earlier that I reckon a lot of the slowdown is addon-related - and updates (as I don't use Firefox as much, it's likely to be updating on startup most of the time0 - but I use the same (or highly similar in purpose) addons in Chrome without the issue.

For reference - I uninstall and reinstall browsers quite often because, as a developer, things tend to get a bit screwed-up otherwise - and I keep retrying Firefox but it remains slower than Chrome both in startup and general use.

For me...

Sakkura
26-11-2012, 05:00 PM
So you're saying your uncontrolled and unverified experience, including all kinds of addons probably screwing things up, is more reliable than a benchmark by Tom's Hardware who do that stuff for a living?

trjp
26-11-2012, 05:45 PM
So you're saying your uncontrolled and unverified experience, including all kinds of addons probably screwing things up, is more reliable than a benchmark by Tom's Hardware who do that stuff for a living?

For me - yes - that's why >I< use Chrome - >I< find it quicker and slicker (I know I'm not alone but I make no claim to speak for anyone else).

Firefox has all the hallmarks of a nerd-led project which has gotten a bit far away from reality tho - it's consistently gotten slower and larger and generally 'grumpier' - it used to feel like a sharp and light bit of kit - now Chrome feels like that

To me...

somini
27-11-2012, 03:12 AM
Every time I launch fire fox a game or app has installed a toolbar in stealth. Chrome checks if I want this crap installed or not, generally speaking opera, chrome and firefox are all "alright", my favourite browser is opera mini, security concerns aside it turns mobiles that I'd shoot if they were horses into competent systems.

I just want to have a competitive browser market so they are forced to get better.
Opera Mini FTW. I use it on my dumbphone Nokia brick numbers stuff and it's amazing to read RPS while waiting on lines, or while I'm walking on the street. Brought new life to my commutes.

As for benchmarks, those are for specific condition, which I bet is a fresh install of everything. Being a AddOn junkie, Pale Moon (64 bits optimized version of Firefox for Windows) takes around 10s to turn on with dozens of addons, but then I have a better browser, customized to my liking. And yes, I use them all. Chrome is nice and all but I think it lacks the hackability of Firefox.
It's just a religion though, a less nerdy version of vi vs emacs.