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chadsexington
07-01-2013, 07:48 PM
Division H

Lefty Pro Elves 2 - 2 HElf Elesium

This match can only be summed up by the word 'Useless'. That is for every single player on that pitch, the amount of fumbled pick ups/catchs/throws was beyond belief. Though maybe I should have edged it, my thrower dropping the ball at this feet three times just showed his heart wasn't in it. The end of the game really showed it, last turn, a simple 2+ pass to get skill, fumbled with the pass re-roll.

This team is dead now, time to go to the dark side, Dwarves it is.

What does it tell you when both your fancy elf teams trounced my dwarves?

Alistair Hutton
07-01-2013, 07:58 PM
Agree with you on the Catchers always thought they were overpriced. Now if they were AG4 or MA9 on the other hand...

If Human Catchers were AG4 then Skaven coaches would pack up and go home in disgust as all they would have is fuck all and some mutation gimmick players compared to Humans. MA9 just isn't fluffy for me. AV8 at same price or a price reduction by 10 is, I think, the best for them.

The Orc and High Elf rosters really do ram home how overpriced Human Blitzers and Catchers are. Orc Blitzers at 80k is just nutzo.

Heliocentric
07-01-2013, 08:05 PM
Not every player can be compared like for like.

I'd like to take a few zombies in my elf team for their extreme stamina/value, or a beast of nurgle for the los. But that's not in the team.

You need to look at the team as a whole.

I have would sooner take a pro elf catcher than a ghoul for 30 cash less, and I think a lot of players would like a flesh golem to pad out their skaven teams.

President Weasel
07-01-2013, 08:49 PM
I'll take amazons with a couple of high elf throwers and some chaos warriors for muscle, please.

Elesium
07-01-2013, 09:10 PM
So basically use the Dungeonbowl teams?

Alistair Hutton
07-01-2013, 09:12 PM
Not every player can be compared like for like.

I'd like to take a few zombies in my elf team for their extreme stamina/value, or a beast of nurgle for the los. But that's not in the team.

You need to look at the team as a whole.

I have would sooner take a pro elf catcher than a ghoul for 30 cash less, and I think a lot of players would like a flesh golem to pad out their skaven teams.

The High Elf roster holistically poops on the Human roster. They are right next to each other in the rule book are the comparison is just silly. Oh noes, I have to pay 20k more for my Lineman. Who get an AG boost and regular Agility access. They at least have the good grace to only get 2 players with Block and no regular Strength access. So there's a good argument to be made that long term High Elf will bloat up in comparison to Humans as they try and add a S component to their game.

Orc Blitzers though are just an insult - they are an insult holistically and individually and not just to Human teams but to all the other rosters. They would make sense at 80K if they could only have 2 of them. Because Orc linemen are kind of crap to develop so they would need the TV break. But they can take 4 and that's just nuts. After the 4 Black orcs, 4 Blitzers, the Two Throwers and the Troll the Orcs don't have any frikin' linemen on their team so they get to jettison the weak link. A mere 9 players with S access puts them at a disadvantage to sweet F and A.

Heliocentric
07-01-2013, 09:33 PM
A mere 9 players with S access puts them at a disadvantage to sweet F and A.

How many MA8 units do orcs have again? But yeah, at times it feels like orcs need their own tier. Just compare yourself to Halflings or Goblins and you'll feel fine!

Everblue
07-01-2013, 09:53 PM
Orc linemen are awesome. I would take 3 of em on defence.

Everblue
07-01-2013, 09:58 PM
But anyway - 10k or 20k of initial cost is nothing at high TV. Increasing orc blitzers to 90k would add 40k to the TV of a developed orc team. Hardly any change. What it would do is impact on starting rosters and low TV tournaments and leagues.

You are conflating two issues - underpriced positionals and high TV performance.

cyberpunkdreams
07-01-2013, 10:09 PM
You are conflating two issues - underpriced positionals and high TV performance.

I wonder if the creators of our beautiful game would ever had credited the idea of people having these kinds of detailed discussions almost 30 years later...

NieA7
07-01-2013, 10:21 PM
Orcs are too cheap both at the beginning and end though, which is unusual as most teams that are a bit off at any given stage of their life tend to be OK elsewhere. I've seen the argument that their bash game suffers late on compared to Chaos/Nurgle due to a lack of claw, but it doesn't seem to hurt them that much. I think I'd start by limiting them to 2 Blitzers and pushing the cost of the Black Orcs and Blitzers up a bit. I'd also add 'flings to the human roster for the giggles.

To be honest it's genuinely impressive how well balanced the game is though. There's only a few problematic rosters (Orc, Human, Khemri, Ogre, arguably Chaos, WElf and DElf) and even they aren't so terrible. It'd be nice if hybrid teams didn't get ripped apart by high level bash quite so much though.

Delusibeta
07-01-2013, 10:47 PM
Division J

Street Sweeping Scrubs (Delusibeta) 0 - 2 The Ball Curse (Rotekian)

While Nuffle showed slightly less homicidal tendencies for my squishy humans, he still had his flag planted firmly on the other end of the field. Still, I'll freely admit that this loss was mainly due to me making tactical cock-ups than him making his influence known. First half went well initially: the thrower managed to pick up the ball first time, for example. However, I was quickly trapped in my own half, and an attempt to break free late in the half resulted in the ball carrier getting blitzed, the ball stolen and then the elves running down the pitch and scoring. The second half started better for me, threatening the ball carrier, who proceeded to escape. A couple of turns later, I'd trapped him again, succeeded in knocking him down... only for a nearby team-mate pick up the ball. More bashing later resulted in the ball breaking free behind my defensive line. A risky strategy involving moving a dood to grab the ball (successful), passing the ball downfield (missed) or catching the rebound (fumbled) and definitely not getting the ball out of play and thrown into the middle of the field for the elves to grab and seal the game (guess what?). I will admit I was outplayed here, and was well deserving of the wooden spoon of the bottom tier.

Complaining about Nuffle time: the ogre had a crap game. Three attempts to blitz, three times Bonehead occurs. No long-term injuries, thankfully, although again my opponents got free turns on the first kick off in both halves, and again the apoth was cashed in before regulation time (thankfully he did his job this time). Checking the stats, 40% of my D6s were 1s and 2s, which is a bit better than the 50% I had last game, but still.

http://i.minus.com/i1ZUPQK20Oh40.png

Ahead, I'll probably carry on with my team for a second season in tier 4: White Von Mann has leveled up, and I've got enough money to replace my dead catcher (RIP) with a Blitzer for more bashy.

Rotekian
07-01-2013, 11:36 PM
Div J
The Ball Curse 2-0 Street Sweeping Scrubs

A Boneheaded Ogre and some intervention from Nuffle turned what ought to have been a close game into a much more comfortable 2-0 win for the Ball Curse. On the Dark Elves' side, Marlen the journeyman replacement lasted 3 turns before being sent off with a career ending injury. When the Ogre wasn't boneheaded or failing to tackle the ball carrier, he was sending players off the pitch. Fortunately for the Ball Curse none were quite so heavily injured as Marlen.

The first half look set to devolve into a cage brawl during the opening drive of the Street Sweeping Scrubs. The Dark Elves managed to gain control of the ball, but were still locked in the melee. Fortunately for the Ball Curse; once the Ogre finally worked out he was supposed to tackle the ball carrier, he failed to more than push the slippery dark elf blitzer back towards the Dark Elves' own half. The Blitzer then managed to dodge away from the less agile Ogre to deliver a short ranged pass that was quickly converted in a touchdown.

At the beginning of the second half, the Ball Curse opened with a Quick Snap that left most of the team on the left flank. Unfortunately a coaching mistake left a big hole on the far left that the Street Sweeping Scrubs quickly sent a Blitzer of their own through to take down the ball carrier. At this point Nuffle intervened and the ball bounced into the hands of a nearby Dark Elf in a secure position. From there the Dark Elves attempted to break out towards the empty right flank, but the humans successfully repositioned to prevent an easy score. Another brawl began, although the humans were getting the better of the engagement this time around.

The humans got a hold of the ball, but a dropped catch left the ball rolling off the pitch. The throw in landed at a good spot for the Dark Elves and a perfect launch into tight hands sealed the score.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 07:43 AM
But anyway - 10k or 20k of initial cost is nothing at high TV. Increasing orc blitzers to 90k would add 40k to the TV of a developed orc team. Hardly any change. What it would do is impact on starting rosters and low TV tournaments and leagues.

You are conflating two issues - underpriced positionals and high TV performance.

As Nie says Orcs are a bit special in that regard in that through their Blitzers both low and high level performance are linked. Blitzers at 80K makes them good at low level as you can takes your full compliment of strength positionals in your starting roster, plus your big guy and still have 2 re-rolls. Drop the Troll and you can start with 3 re-rolls and the full compliment of 8 strength positionals, 4 of whom come wi the all important block.

At high TV level, sure it's only 40k but because they get 4 Blitzers it's a multiplier effect. If they only had two Blitzers then they'd only have max 7 players with native Strength - then for the Throwers or Lineman to bulk up would cost another +10 over the standard skill increase. If Orcs only had 2 Blitzers they would have to actually play with some non-fantastic players on the pitch, and would have to pay for the privilege of making those players better.

If you accept my proposition that Human Blitzers are over-priced by 10 and Orcs are underpriced by 10 then when Humans meet Orcs the overall effect is a 80K difference just from the Blitzer differential which is no longer only anything at low, medium or high TV.

EDIT: Throw in my Catcher complaint and it's a 120k team difference.

Everblue
08-01-2013, 09:34 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you that orc positionals are underpriced, nor that 9 players with ST access depresses TV at high levels, I just think that these are two issues.

I also think that humans are underpowered as a team, although I do like the look and feel of the team, which is more important in some ways.

EDIT And orc linemen are amazing, as I said. We might find that the difference with fewer blitzers would be less than we expect, because 9 armour on a lineman is utterly brilliant.

Heliocentric
08-01-2013, 09:55 AM
Personally I think orcs just need to lose the thrower. No pass, no sure hands, no p access. BANG.

mrpier
08-01-2013, 10:13 AM
Can't say I see any problems with the Orc roster, the humans sure. The catchers there could use a little bit of a buff.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 10:33 AM
There are lots of tweaks that can be done to the Human roster (that have been suggested multiple times) but I've just ran across a rather off-the-wall suggestion on talkfantasyfootball that I rather like.

Make the Throwers AG 4, with the commensurate price bump of course (so 100k in all likelyhood). Everything else stays the same.

It seems so brilliant an idea. Their move of 6 and limit of only 2 of them means they don't impinge on Skaven territory in any way. They don't obsolete any of the elf rosters as linemen with AG4 is, and always will be, super sweet. The Throwers being AG 4 makes the Catchers worth their money as it will be more likely the ball will be thrown to them.

mrpier
08-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Yeah, that is interesting, haven't seen that proposed before.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 11:17 AM
Yeah, that is interesting, haven't seen that proposed before.

I like it because, to me, it doesn't disrupt the overall Human-ness of the Human roster and doesn't step on toes. They are still jack of all trades. They still start out as worst agility side and the worst bash team. Yet at the same time it gives the Human team a kick up the kazi and, crucially, star power. I think that's what's missing from the Human roster as is, it has no star power. AG4 Throwers would be stars, players you could build a team around, of whom legends would grow.

AV 8 catchers are more likely though. :)

groovychainsaw
08-01-2013, 11:36 AM
AV8 catchers would 'fix' it for me. Although part of the appeal of running humans is not having any one standout position, I don't think that would make much of a difference to humans, beyond giving me a chance to level a catcher beyond level 2 :-).

Whilst humans don't excel at bashing or agility (although lean towards bashy), I htink their movement is the key to getting the most out of them. A potential 8 players on the pitch with MA7+ is pretty good and is what I tend to exploit, either to run away from bashy teams or to catch up with the agile ones.

Humans are very malleable and depend a lot on what skills you pick or skills you receive from nuffle. By high TV, you should have a couple of stat-ups and doubles which let you craft a team around something interesting. You have access to all the main categories of skills across your team, so all options are open.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 12:01 PM
Humans are very malleable and depend a lot on what skills you pick or skills you receive from nuffle. By high TV, you should have a couple of stat-ups and doubles which let you craft a team around something interesting. You have access to all the main categories of skills across your team, so all options are open.

I have got freakishly lucky with my Human Catchers, Bertolf is 40+ games played, +Mv, +AG, Sprint, Sure Feet, Block. He's no elf freak but he is a modern marvel.

And then I have a second +AG catcher as backup (Diving Tackle is his only other skill) then two unlevelled catchers in reserve. I'm giving serious though to making one a mobile fouler with DP and SG. Probably woefully bloated in terms of TV and utility but he would be a lot of fun. Able to stick a boot in from half the pitch away.

You are right speed is the key to Human play. Having MV 8 and 7 is great for playing the screening switch game plan, at high TV though I've found that other teams start being abler have have mobility limiting skills, Tackle, Diving Tackle, Shadowing that exposes the lack of natural AG.

Screwie
08-01-2013, 12:14 PM
You are right speed is the key to Human play. Having MV 8 and 7 is great for playing the screening switch game plan, at high TV though I've found that other teams start being abler have have mobility limiting skills, Tackle, Diving Tackle, Shadowing that exposes the lack of natural AG.

This is very much what I like about the Dark Elf team, too. Fielding eight MA 7 players makes them a very reactive side. They don't have quite the speed of the Human team (or Skaven, probably the kings of this playstyle) but having ST 3 AG 4 across the board rather does make up for it.

All this talk has me contemplating trying a Human team out, next...

Zoraster
08-01-2013, 12:39 PM
Part of the problem with humans is their team concept predates the stunted stat line introduced in 3rd edition. Rolling so much under the new all-powerful agility banner didnít leave scope for real rookie specialists. Iíve always hated that change and it is why ag4 teams are dominant along with any team that rolls 6+5 on the right skill ups.

An ag4 human thrower out the gate is way too good. An ag4 human catcher is the same. On the other hand an extra point in throwing skill or cool would be perfect. We could fudge it by giving them strong arm and diving catch respectively but I feel the game as a whole would massively benefit from reverting to separate stats. Just being able to differentiate between rookie runners and throwers is enough to make the change worthwhile for me.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 01:17 PM
All this talk has me contemplating trying a Human team out, next...

It is my dream to play in an all Human league to see how the different teams develop. Probably be rubbish in practice bu it could be fun.

cyberpunkdreams
08-01-2013, 01:27 PM
It is my dream to play in an all Human league to see how the different teams develop. Probably be rubbish in practice bu it could be fun.

I think that would be quite fun. Another idea I'd been contemplating is a 100% rookie human lineman league. I think one would learn a lot about positioning in that situation.

Everblue
08-01-2013, 01:37 PM
I wonder if the creators of our beautiful game would ever had credited the idea of people having these kinds of detailed discussions almost 30 years later...

:)

When you were a kid playing football in the park did you ever think that you'd grow up to talk about inverted wingers, false nines or overlapping full backs?

20phoenix
08-01-2013, 01:41 PM
I think that would be quite fun. Another idea I'd been contemplating is a 100% rookie human lineman league. I think one would learn a lot about positioning in that situation.

Namely how to throw the ball to the right team.....

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 02:23 PM
All this talk has me contemplating trying a Human team out, next...

Sorry you have to
<-this
smart and sexy to play Humans.

It's a tough bar to clear - not everyone is cut out for it.

Screwie
08-01-2013, 03:04 PM
Sorry you have to be
<-this
smart and sexy to play Humans.

It's a tough bar to clear - not everyone is cut out for it.

I love it when folks screw up their grammar while making 'smarter than you' jokes :)

Anyway, I think Underworld (or Orcs, or Vampires, I have quite a queue) are my next choice after my dark elves eventually go the way of all elves. But I will get a Human team into the Challenge League for some fun in the meantime.

Alistair Hutton
08-01-2013, 04:16 PM
I love it when folks screw up their grammar while making 'smarter than you' jokes :)

Anyway, I think Underworld (or Orcs, or Vampires, I have quite a queue) are my next choice after my dark elves eventually go the way of all elves. But I will get a Human team into the Challenge League for some fun in the meantime.

You spotted my deliberate mistake, you're smart enough but are you sexy enough?

20phoenix
08-01-2013, 06:42 PM
I love it when folks screw up their grammar while making 'smarter than you' jokes :)

Anyway, I think Underworld (or Orcs, or Vampires, I have quite a queue) are my next choice after my dark elves eventually go the way of all elves. But I will get a Human team into the Challenge League for some fun in the meantime.

I cannot recommend Vampires or Underworld enough - both teams so fun to play. Vampires with their gaze make defensive drives a joy to play and Underworlds potential player combos make for great fun building and rebuilding. Not too shabby on the field either...

President Weasel
08-01-2013, 07:30 PM
Div A will have to be defaulted I'm afraid. Jarvis asked to pass before New Year due to illness, but I've hung on mentioning it here to give him maximum opportunity to change his mind if he started feeling better. Unfortunately he hasn't so please roll us on to day three, and get well soon Jarvis.

I've delayed doing this because I am not sure if it's a win to Dog Pants (Jarvis didn't turn up) or a draw (they both tried to play but were defeated by illness) - it's a "no-fault no-show" from Jarvis.
A win for Dog Pants puts him level at the top of the Division with NieA7 going into their deciding final match, so the score for the defaulted one matters. Groovy, shall I give mr Pants there the win?

(and since I don't think I've said it, I hope you get well soon Jarvis, my Swedish friend)

Dog Pants
08-01-2013, 08:13 PM
If it helps, I wasn't sure where it stood either. However I wouldn't have been able to play the match between the 27th and 3rd regardless, so I've no objection to a draw (plus I'm scared of the potential promotion).

NieA7
08-01-2013, 08:29 PM
Having checked at what divs A and B will probably look like next season I am quite happy for DogPants to get a rare uber-win, worth at least 7 points.

Gorm
08-01-2013, 08:30 PM
An uber win hasnt been awarded since the great skink strike of 1774.

Everblue
08-01-2013, 09:21 PM
I'll be rerolling to Pro Elf next season. How bad can it be? I've marked up the spreadsheet with my team, called The New Wave.

I've gone for the "no catchers and four rerolls" build.

President Weasel
08-01-2013, 09:42 PM
It can be pretty bad, and you know it.

The Brain
08-01-2013, 09:58 PM
When you don't get half your team killed in the first few turns it can be a lot of fun playing pro elves. Of course you seem to get your team killed more often than not. Bloody wussy elves!

Kapouille
08-01-2013, 10:23 PM
Hey all,

The time has come for me to retire from the league. Thanks all for the matches, and thanks as well for the awesome work from the admins.

A severe combination of hardcore Nuffling heavily coated with Cyanidal nonsense has worn my patience. This last 4-1 match against Cacamas (well played though, his play was flawless) was a topical send-off for the Fruitcakes.

I'd say, I'll probably need a couple of seasons to gather my strength to face again the lunatic UI and the odd RNG.

In the meantime, can anyone please remind me how to put a team to rest in the spreadsheet?

Cacamas
08-01-2013, 10:37 PM
Div E
Blackest of Black Blacks 4 - 1 Tuftybushe Fruitcakes

As Kapouille said above, he got horribly nuffled in this game (just like the last time I played him, strangely). 6 casualties for the 'flings while not even suffering a KO on my team. 10 of 12 1D6 succeeded for me, including a catch by a skeleton. 39% success on block dice with 19% turnovers while I had 57% success and 2% turnovers. Basically, I didn't fail a single important dice roll.

All of which means I got promotion. Yay!

Squiz
08-01-2013, 10:57 PM
I fear you suffer the fate of every Halfling coach out there, Kapouille. Sorry to read about your experiences, BB can ruin whole evenings when these things happen, at least for me.

cyberpunkdreams
08-01-2013, 11:40 PM
BB can ruin whole evenings when these things happen, at least for me.

Same here... almost every match!

Heliocentric
09-01-2013, 01:42 AM
Same here... almost every match!

But you are a Diva!

In the meantime, can anyone please remind me how to put a team to rest in the spreadsheet?

With 'flings you need to salt the earth and burn the crops, only thing that stops them breeding.
Come back soon man.


All of which means I got promotion. Yay!
Grats, I had hoped to get into more of a dominant play style this season but having 2 teams in my division retire wasn't the method I had in mind.


I've gone for the "no catchers and four rerolls" build.

My first dodge with my Pro Elves was a 2+ with a rerroll on a catcher and he died.

Yep...

No catchers at all? really? You have seen their stats right?

Everblue
09-01-2013, 08:40 AM
Yeah but they'll skill up quickly enough. I want dodge on a few linemen before I start giving all the SPPs to the grey haired buggers. Early SPPs to the linos gives you some chance at guard too.

I started my OCC high elves and UKBBL dark elves with lineman-heavy rosters and it's worked out really well. I didn't get many doubles on the high elves, but three early dodge linemen have just been so resilient. My dark elves got a guard lineman in the second match and a ST4 lineman in the third.

Four rerolls is pretty nice too.

Dentharial
09-01-2013, 09:00 AM
Hey all,

The time has come for me to retire from the league. Thanks all for the matches, and thanks as well for the awesome work from the admins.

A severe combination of hardcore Nuffling heavily coated with Cyanidal nonsense has worn my patience. This last 4-1 match against Cacamas (well played though, his play was flawless) was a topical send-off for the Fruitcakes.

I'd say, I'll probably need a couple of seasons to gather my strength to face again the lunatic UI and the odd RNG.

In the meantime, can anyone please remind me how to put a team to rest in the spreadsheet?

Sorry to see you go. Never forget your match against my HElves where you managed to thoroughly destroy them and wipe them off the pitch.

Considering how you've done with Halflings, it'd be pretty interesting to see you play something with a bit more...meat on them. Maybe something like Lizardmen, so you get to keep the stunty players alongside a bulkier team?

Heliocentric
09-01-2013, 09:18 AM
Yeah but they'll skill up quickly enough. I want dodge on a few linemen before I start giving all the SPPs to the grey haired buggers. Early SPPs to the linos gives you some chance at guard too.
Fair enough. I started with a suggested (660)2catch,(+80) 2blitz(+100),1thrower(+10) 3Rerolls(+150,maybe should of taken apo)

Nerves of steel turns the Catchers into excellent cage cores you can mark them with 5 players but unless you intercept its a 2+ pass. I would miss them if I didn't have them.

I do feel however that elven linemen still collect spp at a healthy rate. Indeed a catcher feeding them a hand off for a TD or catching a 2+ pass of theirs is useful for spp distribution.

That said, 6 games in I only have 1 guard lineman.

Elesium
09-01-2013, 03:14 PM
A lot of people have asked this and I havn't seen an answer yet, what do you do if you are retiring your team and starting over?

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 03:19 PM
But you are a Diva!

Fair enough...

Kapouille
09-01-2013, 03:23 PM
Sorry to see you go. Never forget your match against my HElves where you managed to thoroughly destroy them and wipe them off the pitch.

Considering how you've done with Halflings, it'd be pretty interesting to see you play something with a bit more...meat on them. Maybe something like Lizardmen, so you get to keep the stunty players alongside a bulkier team?


Thanks all,

I'm not totally gone, I just need a bit of a break. I think there's nothing wrong with halflings (although I'm considering Amazons, cos' they have boobs), I just need a bit of a break from the bugs, the flawed user interface and a pretty long series of bad rolls - I'm left wondering about Cyanide's implementation of "random", given the quality of the rest of the game's implementation.

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 03:30 PM
I'm left wondering about Cyanide's implementation of "random", given the quality of the rest of the game's implementation.

I know how you feel... I always run matches through BB Manager and am usually stunned by the difference in luck I'm on the receiving end of (moan moan moan!) For example, I recently drew 2-2 against flings with my Woodies in the open. BB Manager reported my luck score on the d6 as -20 and his as +10. He failed one out of 22 take root rolls (successfully rerolled), whereas I failed one out of two (only two because my treeman was taken off the pitch in the first turn of the first half and took root immediately when he came back on). And don't even get me started on my goblin teams...

But anyway... as much as we love to hate the RNG, it's actually much, much, much harder to write one that does not behave truly randomly than just using the same one built into your programming language that every other game uses and no one moans about. If Nuffle hates you, on the other hand... well, that's a different matter.

Everblue
09-01-2013, 03:52 PM
I know how you feel... I always run matches through BB Manager and am usually stunned by the difference in luck I'm on the receiving end of (moan moan moan!) For example, I recently drew 2-2 against flings with my Woodies in the open. BB Manager reported my luck score on the d6 as -20 and his as +10. He failed one out of 22 take root rolls (successfully rerolled), whereas I failed one out of two (only two because my treeman was taken off the pitch in the first turn of the first half and took root immediately when he came back on).

That was me, wasn't it? I am the only flings in the Open. I'd forgotten about that game - it was karma after my nuffling by 20phoenix's nurglers.

Kapouille
09-01-2013, 03:59 PM
it's actually much, much, much harder to write one that does not behave truly randomly than just using the same one built into your programming language that every other game uses and no one moans about.

After a decade working in games, I wouldn't be surprised *at all* if they decided it would be a good idea to roll their own out. That just stuff games programmer do... But that's another rant, let's focus on BB :)

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 03:59 PM
That was me, wasn't it? I am the only flings in the Open. I'd forgotten about that game - it was karma after my nuffling by 20phoenix's nurglers.

It was indeed you :p. The 3 x treeman + Sara cage was both to be feared and highly mobile. Still, it was the incredulous TTM TD that sealed the draw ;).

Machination
09-01-2013, 09:55 PM
So was setting up the final match for Div I (the loser's division :) ) found this: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?9390-Important-Server-migration

So the servers are down for a couple days, including our proposed weekend time. Unfortunately, I am EST and Recoil, my esteemed opponent, is GMT. We we planning for Sunday as it works best for both of us, but the server wont be available.

The question is, will the rollover for Week 3 be extended because of downtime? If so, will it include next weekend? I ask because then we can play the following Sunday (20th), which is ideal, but if not, we will need to figure out a later time during a weekday before next weekend.

Not a huge deal either way, just need to know so we can figure out. Thanks, DoD overlords! :)

Everblue
09-01-2013, 09:55 PM
The pitch invasion that knocked over all 3 trees but left everyone else standing was a particular highlight!

Heliocentric
09-01-2013, 10:05 PM
the pitch invasion that knocked over all 3 trees but left everyone else standing was a particular highlight!
3,2,1.
Timber!

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 10:07 PM
3,2,1.
Timber!

And then one of them stood up and threw a teammate... touchdown! I didn't even think that was allowed...

Heliocentric
09-01-2013, 10:21 PM
And then one of them stood up and threw a teammate... touchdown! I didn't even think that was allowed...

Throwing can be committed after a move action, so yeah, nothing unusual there.

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 10:23 PM
Throwing can be committed after a move action, so yeah, nothing unusual there.

Not after standing up... at least not in Cyanide, although it worked with the TTM. I've been got by that before.

Heliocentric
09-01-2013, 10:32 PM
Not after standing up... at least not in Cyanide, although it worked with the TTM. I've been got by that before.

... I've stood up picked up and thrown in cyanide, I'm sure I did.

cyberpunkdreams
09-01-2013, 10:36 PM
... I've stood up picked up and thrown in cyanide, I'm sure I did.

And I'm sure I didn't! :p Maybe it was a bug that was fixed relatively recently? My experience was a while ago.

Web Cole
09-01-2013, 11:01 PM
Thanks to Axler for the game, it was very well played by him and he kept me shut out for basically the entire game. A deserved 2 - 1 in his favour, and I was even pretty lucky to get the 1 TD I did manage. Division I has crowned its Champion! ;)

Screwie
10-01-2013, 01:34 AM
And I'm sure I didn't! :p Maybe it was a bug that was fixed relatively recently? My experience was a while ago.

You can absolutely stand up, move, pick up the ball and pass in a single turn. If you blitz however, you can't throw in the same turn. Maybe you blitzed?

groovychainsaw
10-01-2013, 09:29 AM
I've been caught out by throwing earlier in the turn - you can only do one pass in the turn, and throw team mate counts as a(nother) pass if you already passed :-(.

Also:

A lot of people have asked this and I havn't seen an answer yet, what do you do if you are retiring your team and starting over?

I was going to smugly link to our our rules in the spreadsheet here and say RTFM, but then I looked and I hadn't written anything in there :-D. I'll add this to the FAQ, but what you need to do is, after your last game, once you are sure you are rebooting, in the season status tab, change your 'next season' division to Rx (where x is the number of other rebooters there are in there above you, eg. R1 for the first rebooter) and put your new race selection in curly brackets in the race column (for example:{Liz}). I should be able to figure it out from there, but you'll want to update your team name once you've sorted it out, too.

/Added to FAQ

Also added to the FAQ specific rules about returning players. As it's happened a few times recently, I've tightened up how it works. The below has been added to the FAQ for returning players:

'If you are a returning player, we need to place you somewhere in the divisions where your TV is not going to disrupt the league too badly (we particularly don't want experienced players beating up any new guys). What we need you to do is in the 'next season' column, enter T (for reTurning) and your Team Value. For example, T1470. This should give us the information we need to place you somewhere in the next season.'

Alistair Hutton
10-01-2013, 10:09 AM
I think everyone in div 1 should just be promoted to the Champs division due to how quickly we got our games done.

Alistair Hutton
10-01-2013, 11:41 AM
Also, Human Catchers should be 9 4 5 9 Catch, Dodge, Side Step, Block at 60k

LowKey
10-01-2013, 01:27 PM
I think everyone in div 1 should just be promoted to the Champs division due to how quickly we got our games done.

I and gorm got our game done three weeks ago, do we autowin the DoD? :-)

MrJoose
10-01-2013, 02:15 PM
Also added to the FAQ specific rules about returning players.

Oh, hurrah! I came on specifically to ask about this very thing. My Dwarves are returning!

President Weasel
10-01-2013, 03:18 PM
I've delayed doing this because I am not sure if it's a win to Dog Pants (Jarvis didn't turn up) or a draw (they both tried to play but were defeated by illness) - it's a "no-fault no-show" from Jarvis.
A win for Dog Pants puts him level at the top of the Division with NieA7 going into their deciding final match, so the score for the defaulted one matters. Groovy, shall I give mr Pants there the win?

(and since I don't think I've said it, I hope you get well soon Jarvis, my Swedish friend)

Sorry for the delay. After conferring, we're pretty sure it's fairer to make this one a draw. I'll admin that this evening if nobody's done it yet, and move it on to the next day (unless the servers are down).

groovychainsaw
10-01-2013, 03:41 PM
Yes, sorry I didn't reply sooner Mr Weasel and Mr Pants (required a PM kick), but we agreed in PM chat that a draw sounded fairer as Jarvis had made an effort, but the viruses won (hope you are feeling better Jarvis!).

Dentharial
10-01-2013, 03:58 PM
So was setting up the final match for Div I (the loser's division :) ) found this: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?9390-Important-Server-migration

So the servers are down for a couple days, including our proposed weekend time. Unfortunately, I am EST and Recoil, my esteemed opponent, is GMT. We we planning for Sunday as it works best for both of us, but the server wont be available.

The question is, will the rollover for Week 3 be extended because of downtime? If so, will it include next weekend? I ask because then we can play the following Sunday (20th), which is ideal, but if not, we will need to figure out a later time during a weekday before next weekend.

Not a huge deal either way, just need to know so we can figure out. Thanks, DoD overlords! :)

Myself and smaug in Div B are in a similar position, with him in America and me in Israel. To be honest, we weren't really sure we could even make a time this weekend, but we can potentially make next Sunday evening (20th).

If the admins want to extend the divisions' deadline because of the server outage, then we can play then. However, neither of us want to be holding up everyone on our account, so we're happy to accept a default.

groovychainsaw
10-01-2013, 04:04 PM
I think we probably ought to, I haven't played my final game either :-)

Given that we got through Xmas without too many delays and we were due to wrap up this season on Monday, I see no problem moving the formal end of the season out until Weds/Thurs, and making special exceptions if anyone needs a couple more days then (sunday would be... ok, we'd probably do the next season draw that evening). The servers are down from now until monday, so a few extra days tacked on the end of the season seems reasonable.

20phoenix
10-01-2013, 06:10 PM
Oh, hurrah! I came on specifically to ask about this very thing. My Dwarves are returning!

This doesnt apply to dwarves

Screwie
10-01-2013, 07:37 PM
This doesnt apply to dwarves

Hahaha!

It's funny because I wish it was true!

chadsexington
11-01-2013, 05:31 PM
I think we probably ought to, I haven't played my final game either :-)

Given that we got through Xmas without too many delays and we were due to wrap up this season on Monday, I see no problem moving the formal end of the season out until Weds/Thurs, and making special exceptions if anyone needs a couple more days then (sunday would be... ok, we'd probably do the next season draw that evening). The servers are down from now until monday, so a few extra days tacked on the end of the season seems reasonable.

I'm going to need until the weekend to do my match. The alternative would be me alarm-clocking in the middle of the night so my opponent could play before work in the morning.

I would rather play than not play, but if we're the last holdouts for the season moving forward I won't be too upset with a draw (or a win to my opponent as I am 0-2 any way)

Joeyjojojuniorshabadoo
11-01-2013, 11:48 PM
(or a win to my opponent as I am 0-2 any way)

loser.....

leftfield010
12-01-2013, 10:45 PM
I am away on holiday from a week tomorrow for a week so depending on when the draw is made I will be slow signing up, do I need to do anything special or sit out next season?

potatoedoughnut
13-01-2013, 05:20 PM
I believe the draw won't be until next Sunday, so if you're back a week from tomorrow you'll still have plenty of time to sign up. Or you can pass your login details to PW or one of the other signer-uppers and they can get your team in.

Janek
13-01-2013, 08:58 PM
FYI: Server update is up for beta-testing (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?9390-Important-Server-migration&p=244963&viewfull=1#post244963). May help with scheduling.

Everblue
13-01-2013, 09:12 PM
Can we really finish the season so soon? Some divisions are still in week 1...

LowKey
13-01-2013, 09:41 PM
dying for a bit of DoD

President Weasel
14-01-2013, 09:14 AM
Can we really finish the season so soon? Some divisions are still in week 1...

No Divisions are still in week 1. One match remains from week 2, Dog Pants vs Jarvis, and we already know the result (0-0 admin draw), we just cannot admin it right now because the servers aren't properly up. (Also one other Division has had their weeks out of order because I did it in a hurry, and the UI is a pile of arse - what sort of benighted League system won't update with your changes unless you log back out and in again?).

In other words, apart from 3 Divisions that have already completed all their games, every Division is on week 3 or will be as soon as we get the servers back.

Everblue
14-01-2013, 09:40 AM
Oh ok, the spreadsheet (which I can't view from this work machine) had a few divisions with just 1 game played I thought. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm also very keen to play - haven't had a game in 2013!

leftfield010
14-01-2013, 10:09 AM
I believe the draw won't be until next Sunday, so if you're back a week from tomorrow you'll still have plenty of time to sign up. Or you can pass your login details to PW or one of the other signer-uppers and they can get your team in.


I am away 20th to 27th so will need to pass it on i think,

Cheers

groovychainsaw
14-01-2013, 10:22 AM
We'd always prefer you to entrust your login detail (via PM) to one of our trustworthy admins here to apply on your behalf if you know you're going to be away during application time, as long as you feel comfortable doing so, of course.

As others have said, thanks to our enforced downtime over this weekend, we're extending the season out slightly. Originally I was hoping to wrap most games up before the weekend (and let's still try, eh, peoples?) but it looks like a few games might be at the weekend. I'm going to set in stone a 'live draw' for 9pm this Sunday night, so any games not completed by then will need to be adminned ahead of the draw. Let me know if this seems unreasonable, but I want to get us going again as some people are getting withdrawal symptoms. (Incidentally, this is one reason I tend to move all our divisions on together during a non-xmas season, to stop one 'quick' group pushing all the others along too much. I'm looking at you, division 1 ;-D).

mrpier
14-01-2013, 11:37 AM
I'll be away 18-28 January, so I'll probably need someone to apply my Gentlebeasts to whatever division they get assigned.

President Weasel
14-01-2013, 12:44 PM
Happy to take login details and apply with people's teams, just send me a pm. There's considerable anecdotal evidence that I can probably be trusted.

Dentharial
14-01-2013, 02:07 PM
Hum.

Mine and Smaug's game should be starting around 6pm GMT on that Sunday. As said, we're both ok with accepting a default, since I don't really want to push right up against the limit.

As far as I see from the table, the only thing it can affect is who gets relegated. If I win, then Smaug gets relegated, any other result ends with me being relegated.

Kapouille
14-01-2013, 03:07 PM
<This doesnt apply to dwarves>

It's funny because I wish it was true!

I second that statement. In a slightly detached way as I shall not be suffering from it... At least not until I return ;)

grinn
14-01-2013, 04:50 PM
Hey Corkir, just trying every channel here :p

What time is the grand final for the Championship tonight?

Zoraster
14-01-2013, 05:33 PM
I am pretty sure she was under the impression you'd agreed on 20:00 tonight boss. Either way I don't think she is going to be home much before that nor could she start much after that so I feel it is a pretty safe bet :)

That said the server isn't back up yet and given it is getting a bit late in the working day in Paris I rather suspect it won't be today.

grinn
14-01-2013, 06:52 PM
Thanks for the update. No we hadn't agreed on a time yet. She just said she could make Monday. Let's see what's happening with the servers - I might need to make it 9 rather than 8 as I m still at the office and need to eat and such.

Dog Pants
15-01-2013, 06:57 PM
As the servers now appear to be back, could Jarvis and I have our (Div A) game admin'd please?

MrJoose
15-01-2013, 07:42 PM
I *think* ive updated the sheet correctly. Are all the other Rx's rebooting people?

President Weasel
15-01-2013, 07:50 PM
As the servers now appear to be back, could Jarvis and I have our (Div A) game admin'd please?

Done.






10chars

potatoedoughnut
15-01-2013, 07:59 PM
I *think* ive updated the sheet correctly. Are all the other Rx's rebooting people?

yes

10chars

desvergeh
16-01-2013, 11:11 AM
Karandraz and I are still trying to arrange our final match in Division D. Ok if we get an extension to allow this?

sinister agent
16-01-2013, 08:53 PM
Hello! I'd like to make a triumphant return, or possibly just a return to Blood Bowl, this time with my Amazon face bashers, your mother's nightmares. I think I've updated the spreadsheet properly, but if not please let me know. They are practically new, but with about 15 or so SPP distributed amongst the team, all level 1.

If they're no good, I have a backup team of dwarves at about 1550.

cyberpunkdreams
16-01-2013, 09:28 PM
Hello! I'd like to make a triumphant return, or possibly just a return to Blood Bowl, this time with my Amazon face bashers, your mother's nightmares. I think I've updated the spreadsheet properly, but if not please let me know. They are practically new, but with about 15 or so SPP distributed amongst the team, all level 1.

If they're no good, I have a backup team of dwarves at about 1550.

It's got to be a completely fresh team for the DoD I'm afraid, unless it's a returning team that hasn't played any matches in the meantime.

Dog Pants
16-01-2013, 10:36 PM
Div A: Anupshi Rises (KHE, Dog Pants) 0 - 2 Read in Tooth and Claw (NEC, NieA7)

The final game of Div A begins with Read in Tooth and Claw kicking a long ball right to the Anupshi Rises touchline, and following it with a Blitz. Before the offence can move a Tomb Guardian is knocked out, and the Khemri are still scrabbling for the ball when a speeding Werewolf arrives. The Wolf is taken out for his efforts and Anupshi finally pick up the ball to move forward up the right field. The early Necromantic drive has left them well forward, and the ball carrying Thro-Ra is immediately pressured by a Werewolf and a Wight. A skeleton tries to defend him, is pushed aside and the Thro-Ra sacked so hard that he is carted off the pitch. With most of the offence still in their starting positions the Werewolf snatches the ball and charges in for an early touchdown.
Another kickoff, another Thro-Ra fumble on pickup. This time the line holds though, and the ball is carried up the centre of the pitch where Tomb Guardians are pushing the defenders back. As the defensive line solidifies around halfway to the touch line the Thro-Ra with the ball makes an impetuous dodge through a gap in the weaker left and dashes for the line with little time to spare. His teammates are unable to match the most un-Khemri-like feat though, and a Ghoul/Werewolf combo stop him short just before the half ends.

After the break Anupshi rises kick, dropping the ball short and right where a Ghoul positions himself to catch it. The rest of Read in Tooth and Claw push hard down their right side and as a salient appears the ball carrier makes a dash for the cage it forms. He trips as he arrives, and the concentration of players causes the area to immediately erupt into a brawl over the loose ball. Unsurprisingly the Khemri flatten every Necromantic in the immediate area. A Thro-Ra takes the ball and flees the melee, heading for the RTC touchline and leaving both teams in his own half. A single Ghoul attempts an intercept, but the point is scored.
Time is running short and both teams want to break the tie. Another short kick lands just behind the Necromantic line, but in a similar start to the last play they recover it quickly and push hard down their right. The Ghoul on the ball is rushed by a forward Tomb Guardian, but he easily slips away to launch a perfect mid-range pass to his companion, who runs in a very fast touchdown.
With a little time left the teams while away the last minute or two with some traditional fighting.

Coach Dog Pants enters the stuffy tomb of the Pharaowners once more. Despite a satisfactory performance, the claustrophobic heat and rancid air make him nervous, and he wishes the dead appreciated air conditioning as much as he did. Upon entering the board tomb he mops the sweat from his brow, and only when his hand and arm come away green does he realise his mistake. The Pharaowners have so far not noticed that he switched places with that Goblin to avoid a grizzly fate, but his green face paint and fake nose can't fool them any longer. Coach Dog Pants starts to edge towards the exit as one of the desiccated kings holds up a claw like hand. A crackly, dusty voice issues forth the words "send more goblins", and the Coach is dismissed.

sinister agent
17-01-2013, 12:23 AM
It's got to be a completely fresh team for the DoD I'm afraid, unless it's a returning team that hasn't played any matches in the meantime.

The Amazons have only played a couple of games in the RPS Cup that happened about two years ago, nothing since. The dwarves were in the DoD at about the same time, but I find their playstyle a bit dull.

Hm. Will have a think about it. I may have some humans I can draft instead.

LowKey
17-01-2013, 09:30 AM
Just like to say dog pants that i love you coach fluff bits, keep em up!

Dolphan
17-01-2013, 09:49 AM
Alas, it seems I won't have any internet for the next few weeks, which will stop me creating my new team, let alone playing any games. I'll be back next season.

Web Cole
17-01-2013, 11:12 AM
It's got to be a completely fresh team for the DoD I'm afraid, unless it's a returning team that hasn't played any matches in the meantime.



The Amazons have only played a couple of games in the RPS Cup that happened about two years ago, nothing since. The dwarves were in the DoD at about the same time, but I find their playstyle a bit dull.

The spreadsheet does say:


In general, all new players and restarting players should be joining with fresh, 1000 TV (maximum) teams. IF you are joining an established division with 3 other levelled teams (ie all greater than 1000TV), you can join with a levelled team UP TO the LOWEST TV of the other teams in your division.

Screwie
17-01-2013, 11:19 AM
Groovy will probably weigh in on this, I'd wait for his answer. In cases such as a former RPS cup team, where there are very few matches under their belt, there may (or may not) be some flexibility in the rules. I couldn't say.

NieA7
17-01-2013, 12:10 PM
It was a fun game against DogPants' Khemri, with a fair few injuries on both sides that were all regenned (I don't think Ive ever seen that before). I was pleased to get a defensive TD early, plus I resisted the temptation to stall, but my second half drive was half hearted at best and I was suitably punished for it. I'm pretty sure I've got a better success rate with "Oh sweet Nuffle there's only two turns left PANIC" drives than "I have a cunning plan and plenty of time to execute it" drives, there's probably a lesson there somewhere.

Claw picked up a nice spread of SPPs, including leveling up the newer Ghoul, but the AV7 Wight proved what a liability he's going to be in the future so I think I'll have to fire him and start over again.

potatoedoughnut
17-01-2013, 04:24 PM
If the amazons are all level 1 why not just restart the team?

Kanesuke
17-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Div J: The Undead Generation (Kanesuke) 0 - 0 Gentlebeasts (mrpier)
Thus does Division J end, not with a bang but a whimper. Every time each of us looked to be making progress downfield, Nuffle screws us over. I came closest, failing a GFI for a TD, but mrpier's beasts came close more often. Sadly, I will not be returning next season as work commitments have gotten more demanding, but I'd like to thank everyone who's played against me in my two season. Hopefully I'll be back soon,

Kanesuke

mrpier
17-01-2013, 06:27 PM
Devastating match, I was two chaos warriors (BH) and the mino (-1MV) down after the first half, second half was me just trying desperate dodges (and mostly succeding thankfully). Kanesuke also injured a beastman with -1AG, I'm probably better off rerolling this team for next season than continuing.

President Weasel: I'm gonna pm you my details for safekeeping and application goodness, since I'll be away on vacation until the 28th Jan.

President Weasel
17-01-2013, 08:00 PM
Details received. Anyone else needs the same service, I'm happy to do it. I have fives of satisfied customers who can tell you I've never "accidentally deleted" even one single minotaur.

palindrome
17-01-2013, 08:08 PM
I think I may have to forfiet the Div G game against Graever as my wife is ill and she will be going into hospital tommorow morning. I have no idea when I will be able to play and to be honest I would prefer to just forfiet at this stage. I will stay in the DoD at the moment though as hopefully all will be well before I need to play my next game.

Heliocentric
17-01-2013, 08:09 PM
I've never "accidentally deleted" even one single minotaur.

Are we down to *just* minotaurs now? I thought you hadn't done thralls either?

President Weasel
17-01-2013, 08:20 PM
I think I may have to forfiet the Div G game against Graever as my wife is ill and she will be going into hospital tommorow morning. I have no idea when I will be able to play and to be honest I would prefer to just forfiet at this stage. I will stay in the DoD at the moment though as hopefully all will be well before I need to play my next game.

My best wishes to you and your wife. I'll admin it when the other matches are done, in case you find yourself in the mood for some blood bowl before then.

Graever
17-01-2013, 09:17 PM
I'm not feeling well enough to play either so it's probably best to just admin a draw.

grinn
20-01-2013, 10:47 AM
The grand final for the championship was played this morning between Corkir and myself. We went into the match with 6 points each and equal TD-CAS difference.

Corkir got a wizard and Eldril the Gawker in inducements. She opted to kick and I braced myself for a rain of dark elves and fireballs. I managed a KO or two but Corkir broke my newly minted AG boosted gobbo's neck due to a dumb placement of mine, two squares off the sideline. Grinn-cockup number 1. After some back and forth bashing the wizard did his thing and Corkir ran a Witch Elf down the right flank.

I ran a blitzer and thrower up in the hope of a take-down and pass. I managed to get a 2 die block on her and her pretty face surfed the blood-encrusted dust and picked up the ball with the blitzer that did the job. Two delf linos brought him down and inched towards the end zone. But lino goes down again and my double AG boosted and consequently AG bashed pro lino grabs the ball from under an elf s hooked nose and dodges out for the pass. Unfortunately, the git forgot all about Eldril Ponce-eyes (who failed enough hypno gazes this half to merit the name) and his pass blocking tendencies and tried a long bomb to the awaiting ag boosted thrower. Perv-stare jumped in front of silly git and intercepted the ball.
Grinn cockup number 2.

A dodge and a hand off later I m 1-0 down with 2-1 CAS against. Not exactly fun times for the greenskins.

The dark ones received and began their drive against a depleted orc side. Corkir pushed up the right flank but left her skill less ball carrier skimpily defended. Lino blitzed and down the ball scattered behind a wall of Black Orc and Troll goodness. From there on, the Nobz ground their way without much opposition up the field and racked 3 more casualties, securing the tie-breaker (unless da county boys got it wrong). The orc thrower sauntered into the end zone ending the game in a 1-1 draw.

Very well played Corkir. A close one indeed.

Dear groovelord, please check the stats and crown the winner!

groovychainsaw
20-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Live draw will be at 9pm tonight. Games are being adminned now unless I spot you organising for before 9pm!!

cyberpunkdreams
20-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Live draw will be at 9pm tonight. Games are being adminned now unless I spot you organising for before 9pm!!

Just played my grudge match again Zenohero. A win and promotion for him, although he said he'd be sitting out from this season I think, relegation for the Bombers. I updated the sheet with the score.

Edit: I think our match actually got adminned while we were half way through. Bizarre. It makes little difference to me, another than my fanatic not getting levelled, but it means Zenohero's lost out of quite a few SPP and the win. I've left the real score of 3-0 on the sheet anyway.

Zoraster
20-01-2013, 06:28 PM
Won the nasty racial match up against Chad's Chaos Dwarfs with the big guys doing that hideous thing they do. The cow wild animalled endlessly in the first half while the troll failed to break anyones armour all game but his own. Only needing a draw to stay up my underworld took the early TD for a 2-1 lead in the second half and sat back to accept the tie but the CDs managed to forget to pick the ball up before starting to fall over their own feet in successive turns as the clock ran out.

The game has been lost in the ether after a bit of premature adminning, cruelly costing Chad a skilled dwarf, although he may be better of keeping his TV down for another round or two.

groovychainsaw
20-01-2013, 06:40 PM
:-( Sorry guys, I went in and adminned the games just 30 mins ago. It didn't give me any indication they were underway. I checked in the groups and I didn't see anything from you cyber, sorry. I also checked yours Zor, but I must have misread chad's answer because it suggested you weren't going to make it somehow, reading it again I see you were aiming for a 5pm kickoff. I should have checked in with you before administrating....

Anyway, apologies to both of you for the premature defaulting of your games, hope you still enjoyed playing the games nonetheless...

All other games have now been administrated where they were outstanding and the live draw will be at 9pm tonight.

cyberpunkdreams
20-01-2013, 06:44 PM
I arranged mine via PM. I had no idea things were at risk of being adminned or I would have said something, sorry. It does suck a bit getting Nuffled for an hour and a half for nothing. Oh well.

Everblue
20-01-2013, 07:01 PM
Many congratulations Grinn! You have slain the dragon...

20phoenix
20-01-2013, 07:13 PM
My game got adminned and a rookie linerat gains a level rolling 5+5. Fairly easy decision as +AV and +MV are a bit bloaty on a linerat so was going for guard. But then some rubbish clicking later I ended up with an AV8 linerat. Needless to say I fired his arse....

Screwie
20-01-2013, 08:57 PM
Shame our match got admined, but between the holidays and the server move we had real trouble finding a time to meet up anyway.

(No skill-ups for me, can't even tell which player got the default MVP...)

Delusibeta
20-01-2013, 09:42 PM
Promotion (presumably out of pity for my apoth killing one of my players), having enough money to buy a new Blitzer to fill in the spot and having a linesman level up, which I've decided to give the Block skill, effectively converting him into a Blitzer.

groovychainsaw
20-01-2013, 09:50 PM
Hi all,

The draw for the divisions of death season 25 has completed! Everyone is assigned to a new division for the new season. Get into the game, get your team and apply for your new division RIGHT NOW!

I'm hoping we can kick off the new season by the end of this week, if we're all good. GOGOGO.

Also, we can always do with more admins, so if a couple of folks want to volunteer to help out adminning games we'll gladly take anyone who's been with us for a couple of seasons. It'll let you validate your own games, too, as a perk :-).

20phoenix
20-01-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm willing to help out GC

Janek
20-01-2013, 10:19 PM
Ditto for me

Heliocentric
20-01-2013, 10:49 PM
Hi all,

The draw for the divisions of death season 25 has completed!
Piss! Ah, missed a game on the filler, ah well, onwards and upwards.

grinn
21-01-2013, 02:06 AM
Hey groovy, did you check the td/cas difference to figure out who won the champs - feels rather underwhelming (thanks everblue!) to not even get a confirmation of the score difference and a royal crowning :P

groovychainsaw
21-01-2013, 08:21 AM
Sorry Grinn.... I'll give you the big font treatment ;-)

/Ahem

I would like to announce the official winner of season 24 of the venerable divisions of death to be GRINN'S ROK 'ARD NOBZ.

Congratulations Grinn, the unsurprising casualty-causing power of your team beat Corkir on the tiebreak, +1 to -5.

Screwie
21-01-2013, 09:55 AM
Congratulations to Grinn!

Elesium
21-01-2013, 12:25 PM
Applied! Lots of people are still in their old divisions however.

Indefatigible Snoozer
21-01-2013, 01:58 PM
I would volunteer to be given god-like admin powers.

Zenohero
21-01-2013, 03:48 PM
Hey, I'm terribly sorry about not posting this sooner, but I have to sit out a few seasons. Between school and dealing with vehicle issues I'm having, my schedule is incredibly erratic and it's hard for me to find time to play anymore. I'm sorry about it being so late. Hopefully the season goes well for the rest of you and good luck.

President Weasel
21-01-2013, 04:21 PM
You're in Division B, which means there's three Divisions (B, one below, and one below that) which need to be disrupted. Any chance you could stick in for this season and see how it goes?
If not, it could be worse; admittedly it would have simplified things enormously if you'd mentioned this before the new divisions were announced, but at least you've been prompt afterwards rather than waiting a week and then throwing a spanner in the works.

Zoraster
21-01-2013, 04:35 PM
We may have a slight bug issue. There were a few reported issues with commissioners post server switch and it seems some can’t kick teams out of a league anymore. If this is affecting all commissioners then we may need to remake a few of the divisions with inactive owners. We normally get a drop out or two who we need to kick before we can start a season.

sadface
21-01-2013, 06:44 PM
Hello, this is Alini. The change in username is to reflect my current emotional state as it seems my Alini account at the RPS forums has been banned. I have absolutely no idea why. My best guess is the horror that is spider dwarf (from the Advent thread), however the notice helpfully says Reason for ban: Not specified Ban will be lifted: Never. Ticket to support has not yet been responded to.

If this account does not get banned as well I look forward to rejoining Divisions of Death, though not so much to playing a recent Championship finalist ^.^;

potatoedoughnut
21-01-2013, 06:51 PM
Wait, what? How did I weasel (no offense PW) my way into the champs?

Anyway, applied.

Everblue
21-01-2013, 06:52 PM
Hello, this is Alini. The change in username is to reflect my current emotional state as it seems my Alini account at the RPS forums has been banned. I have absolutely no idea why. My best guess is the horror that is spider dwarf (from the Advent thread), however the notice helpfully says Reason for ban: Not specified Ban will be lifted: Never. Ticket to support has not yet been responded to.

If this account does not get banned as well I look forward to rejoining Divisions of Death, though not so much to playing a recent Championship finalist ^.^;


Ha ha - spider dwarf was awesome!

LowKey
21-01-2013, 07:19 PM
You bastards! How could you put my teenie weenie underworld in a divsion with two Khemri, monsters!

Heliocentric
21-01-2013, 08:34 PM
I'm in the triple elf with token Norse (legal reasons) division. Expect fouling.

Jolima
21-01-2013, 09:02 PM
Gah, I still got promoted‽ My only good player died last game and now I'm in the numbered divisions with a single Pestigor having earned his second skill‽ This will be either glorious or goreious.

There were a bunch of seasons that hadn't been properly ended. I've done so now, but it probably means that some eager players missed out on their season winnings for having already left the division.

I can also confirm that I'm no longer allowed to kick teams out of the leagues.

On a more positive note, Cyanide fixed the bug keeping me from logging in yesterday with a quick new patch today.

Heliocentric
21-01-2013, 09:09 PM
Applied to H

20phoenix
22-01-2013, 02:59 AM
Gah, I still got promoted‽ My only good player died last game and now I'm in the numbered divisions with a single Pestigor having earned his second skill‽ This will be either glorious or goreious.

There were a bunch of seasons that hadn't been properly ended. I've done so now, but it probably means that some eager players missed out on their season winnings for having already left the division.

I can also confirm that I'm no longer allowed to kick teams out of the leagues.

On a more positive note, Cyanide fixed the bug keeping me from logging in yesterday with a quick new patch today.

This probably explains why I have an award for winning Div 2 when I was runner up to Snoozer

JayTee
22-01-2013, 08:16 AM
You bastards! How could you put my teenie weenie underworld in a divsion with two Khemri, monsters!My Khemri aren't really Khemri; based on their track record for the last 2 seasons think of them as slow elves without Dodge.

Screwie
22-01-2013, 10:33 AM
My Khemri aren't really Khemri; based on their track record for the last 2 seasons think of them as slow elves without Dodge.

Hmm, I'm somewhat suspicious of this claim...

Although I would much rather face a Khemri side than Nurgle or Dwarfs. I don't believe my Dark Elves have faced a Khemri side before (not one I remember anyway) so it should be enlightening at the very least. :)

Everblue
22-01-2013, 11:06 AM
No, Khemri are horrible. The blitz-ras are normally built to be elf killers with tackle, mighty blow and maybe piling on too. You will take casualties and it will hurt.

Even though the TGs aren't the main threat, they are sufficiently bastardy that you won't want to blitz them if they are the cage corners.

Alistair Hutton
22-01-2013, 11:13 AM
Finally I will be able to get my revenge on Jiiiiim.

Screwie
22-01-2013, 11:18 AM
No, Khemri are horrible. The blitz-ras are normally built to be elf killers with tackle, mighty blow and maybe piling on too. You will take casualties and it will hurt.

Even though the TGs aren't the main threat, they are sufficiently bastardy that you won't want to blitz them if they are the cage corners.

I expect there to be a killer or two on the team. Still not as annoying as Nurgle or Dwarfs, though.

(I will probably fork over the cash for an induced apothecary anyway.)

Everblue
22-01-2013, 11:56 AM
I'll grant you the good thing about khemri is that they are hilariously inept at doing anything which doesn't involve blocking.

20phoenix
22-01-2013, 01:41 PM
I'll grant you the good thing about khemri is that they are hilariously inept at doing anything which doesn't involve blocking.

In MM I scored a glorious middle of my half to endzone TD in turn 16 to win the game. I do have a AG3 blitz-ra which helped but needless to say my opponent was not impressed.

Screwie
22-01-2013, 02:11 PM
I always wondered, isn't the Pass skill more useful than decent-to-high AG for long ranges?

sinister agent
22-01-2013, 02:15 PM
It can be, but I think it'd depend on what your agility is to begin with. Plus higher agility has other advantages, though. Dodging, catching, intercepting, etc. You can't even use the pass skill if your player is too clumsy to get near the ball.

20phoenix
22-01-2013, 02:18 PM
Unskilled AG4>Thro-Ra>Unskilled AG3 I think

Screwie
22-01-2013, 02:44 PM
Just did a bit of spreadsheet maths, which (I hope) you can see here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsuLVyFm1RqWdE1mblZhNE1OOWdaem50Y3R0dDU2O Wc).

Interesting.

It turns out, generally the opposite of my assumption is true - at short ranges the Pass skill serves you better than high AG. Except for AG 4 players, who when they have Pass throw better than an unskilled AG 5 at almost all ranges.

Everblue
22-01-2013, 02:47 PM
But, but, but - team rerolls...

cyberpunkdreams
22-01-2013, 02:52 PM
But, but, but - team rerolls...

Having a player skill is always preferable, I think. What if you've already used your TRR that turn, or what if it turns out you'll need it later? What if you've run out entirely?

Screwie
22-01-2013, 02:53 PM
I know a number of times, I've had to spend the TRR on a pass roll only to then fail the catch roll (yay for Dark Elves lacking the fundamentals).

President Weasel
22-01-2013, 03:05 PM
Ag5 will always let you down. It's like a byelaw or something.

cyberpunkdreams
22-01-2013, 03:07 PM
Ag5 will always let you down. It's like a byelaw or something.

Same way that failing a dodge is an automatic injury, right?

ChainsawHands
22-01-2013, 03:09 PM
Ag5 will always let you down. It's like a byelaw or something.It's awesome with leap.

Everblue
22-01-2013, 03:16 PM
Having a player skill is always preferable, I think. What if you've already used your TRR that turn, or what if it turns out you'll need it later? What if you've run out entirely?

I think at low AG (2 or 3) then it's better to have an AG increase. At those low success percentages the chance of a rerolled dice failing are still so high. I would use an AG4 lineman as a passer over a rookie thrower on a human team, for example.

I agree the point about using a reroll earlier in the turn, but it seems to me that say half the times when this happens to me it's the result of me being greedy with blocks to farm SPP before a critical scoring action. With more self-discipline I think this would be less of an issue.

cyberpunkdreams
22-01-2013, 03:29 PM
... the times when this happens to me it's the result of me being greedy with blocks to farm SPP before a critical scoring action. With more self-discipline I think this would be less of an issue.

I think we've all been there! I get the impression a bit that a lot of the theoretical discussion about BB (which is great) normally assumes that things go according to plan, and often they don't. It's especially the case when talking about player builds. You often read, "You don't need skill X on player Y, it's bloat as you already have a specialist for that," but what if your specialist has been injured or is on an MNG or has been forced out of position? Granted, increasing your skillz as a coach can help with all those, but accidents still happen. This is still BB after all, and a natural 1 always fails!

Heliocentric
22-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Fouling lacks any of those hazards.

Just remember a 2die no block/wrestle block is a 1/9 face palm, 1/27 fot 3die, but 2 die with block/wrestle is 1/36, block/wrestle 3die is 1/216.

Everblue
22-01-2013, 03:40 PM
@Cyber - That sounds fair enough to me!

@Helio - I would *never* do a pre-pass foul! It's, what, 1/5 or thereabouts to fail and you can't reroll it. Or have I misunderstood your point?

Axler
22-01-2013, 04:21 PM
Same way that failing a dodge is an automatic injury, right?

Yup right below failed GFI's being bigger killers than Minos :D

ChainsawHands
22-01-2013, 04:26 PM
@Helio - I would *never* do a pre-pass foul! It's, what, 1/5 or thereabouts to fail and you can't reroll it. Or have I misunderstood your point?Don't get him started!

Dog Pants
22-01-2013, 04:30 PM
No, Khemri are horrible. The blitz-ras are normally built to be elf killers with tackle, mighty blow and maybe piling on too. You will take casualties and it will hurt.

*Scribbles notes*

What else makes them horrible?

Heliocentric
22-01-2013, 04:31 PM
Don't get him started!

;)

I was referring to the fact no-one ever failed a 8 man foul and ended up with a -ST. But yeah, pre-pass its a no no.

Web Cole
22-01-2013, 05:30 PM
Applied for H, I hope.

leftfield010
22-01-2013, 06:36 PM
How are the dedicated signer uppers again please? Not back till Sunday and don't wanna hold anything up

President Weasel
22-01-2013, 06:54 PM
I can sign your team up for you, pm me your details

MadDave123
22-01-2013, 08:25 PM
I'm still in G. Do I need to leave and sign up again, or can I remain in there?

Janek
22-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Easiest to just stay put.

20phoenix
23-01-2013, 11:55 PM
We may have a slight bug issue. There were a few reported issues with commissioners post server switch and it seems some canít kick teams out of a league anymore. If this is affecting all commissioners then we may need to remake a few of the divisions with inactive owners. We normally get a drop out or two who we need to kick before we can start a season.

This has now been fixed. All applications for tier 1 and champs have been accepted and are ready to be started (well done T1 and champs!)

Tier 2 is missing the following:

A - all present and accepted
B - Zenohero and Jiiiiiim
C - AGP
D - leftfield

I haven't touched the lower tier applications but from what I can see we are missing

E - Karandraz
F - Machination
G - Jarvis
H - Edgar
I - all applications in
J - zwdaniel
K - eardienm, El Cubo

Jiiiiim
24-01-2013, 07:40 AM
Sorry, I've felt like a bag of mucus-covered spanners for the last week. Applied.

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 10:17 AM
Zenohero appears to be withdrawing for the season, so we'll need to move someone up to B and move someone from the lowest tier up to replace them (and then maybe get a filler team for the lowest tier? Are there any spare players or did we get exact multiples of 4 this season?)

Zoraster
24-01-2013, 11:34 AM
I think the best option to replace Zeno is bumping El Cubo right up from tier 4. He is returning with his high level Norse who sat out a couple of seasons. They last played in tier 1 and would have been in the Championship had they stayed another season. Groovy would have been looking to slot them in higher up had he realised.

Screwie
24-01-2013, 11:56 AM
Except El Cubo is potentially MIA - he hasn't applied yet himself, he's not posted since Christmas and has the Stunty league is still waiting for him to wrap up.

Hopefully everything's okay but I'm not sure we can rely on El Cubo for Div B right now.

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 03:22 PM
anyone Steam (or even better, real life) buds with him? Give him a poke and see what the situation is?

groovychainsaw
24-01-2013, 04:41 PM
I just reshuffled the sheet, bumping maddave123 up and sinisteragent also got a move. SO they'll need to reapply! (hope they're watching!). I didn't know El Cubo was returning otherwise I may have slotted him in higher, but he's definitely at risk as I (his stunty cup opponent) haven't seen him since xmas, and his steam account has been inactive for over 3 weeks.

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 05:00 PM
Excellent. Let's see if we can get the first three tiers sorted out and started by Saturday, shall we? (The top two are good to go right now, so I am cheating a little). I gave Dave a nudge and he'll apply this evening.

A reminder, I am happy to do the applying for anyone who can't reach their Blood Bowl PC; just send me your password and coach name.

Screwie
24-01-2013, 05:02 PM
Are the ready divisions (specifically, A) already running? I might be able to get my game in before the weekend.

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Are you an admin? If so, go ahead and fire up Division A. From Phoenix's post all the divisions above are ready, so we know we won't need to move anyone out of A.

Just remember to check the fixtures and use the damnably unhelpful seeding manager to ensure they match the sheet. You may need to log out and log in again in order for the changes you make to actually be reflected by the UI, which actually turns out to be even more annoying than it sounds.

Screwie
24-01-2013, 05:17 PM
Are you an admin?

If this was the case, I wouldn't have asked! :P

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 05:31 PM
I'll get back around 8ish tonight, I'll have a bash at getting A started then.

Screwie
24-01-2013, 05:47 PM
Thanks kindly sir!

sinister agent
24-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Shitting crikey, I'm doomed.

President Weasel
24-01-2013, 07:42 PM
You'll be fine*

A is started and I think I've got the fixtures right, check in game though to make sure before you arrange your match.





*
fine-ness not guaranteed

20phoenix
24-01-2013, 07:55 PM
You'll be fine*

A is started and I think I've got the fixtures right, check in game though to make sure before you arrange your match.





*
fine-ness not guaranteed

How or where does the seeding manager pop up? I didn't want to touch anything as I didn't know what I was doing!

MadDave123
24-01-2013, 08:42 PM
Applied to B. :)

Everblue
25-01-2013, 12:17 AM
Would anyone mind if I applied with a fresh norse team instead of pro elves. I realise we've had the draw already, so will understand if the answer is no, but I've been playing almost exclusively AG4 recently and I would like to branch out a bit.

cyberpunkdreams
25-01-2013, 12:24 AM
Would anyone mind if I applied with a fresh norse team instead of pro elves. I realise we've had the draw already, so will understand if the answer is no, but I've been playing almost exclusively AG4 recently and I would like to branch out a bit.

I don't mind. Norse should let me re-enact the chainsaw scene from Scarface just as well as Elves.

Everblue
25-01-2013, 12:26 AM
CHAINSAWFACE

(am I doing this right?)

Screwie
25-01-2013, 10:28 PM
Division A
Hi, LowKey and I need a reset for our match - the game hanged on us in turn 14, so we had to quit. If an admin could reset for us that would be dandy. We'll replay it after the weekend.

Thanks!

JayTee
26-01-2013, 12:41 AM
GAAAAHHHHHHH

Anupshi Rises (Khemri - Dogpants) vs. The Dead Comic Society (Khemri - me)

1 - 1

Another TG dies. God-damnit. So yeah, lost my level 4 MB/Guard/Stand Firm TG thanks to Regen being a heap of monkey-ass sometimes. Dogpants took a niggle to a level 3(?) Blitz-Ra, but no other permanent injuries for either team.

Basically first half I finally had some good luck and managed to score on the Defence, grab a Blitz and niggle a Blitz-Ra in the next kick, and end the first half 1-0 up and up in the player numbers.

Second half Dogpants stalled the cage nicely, and then had a superb round of blocking stunning 2 players and injuring another two, which give him a decisive edge in numbers that meant I had to play more risky. I was a simple 4+ dodge, with a TRR in the bank, from scoring but of course the idiot Thro-Ra fluffed it and the ball went off-field. Dogpants had even more luck with the throw-in pitching the ball deep in my half and despite an unlucky BD giving me a chance of a Blitz on the carrier, I of course proceeded to roll 1s for GFIs so Dogpants walked in the equaliser with ease.

One turn remaining left us both with no chance of any scores and some pushing around resulted in no SPPs for either side.

The one bright note is that MVP and the injury landed on my MB/Block Tomb Guardian who is now level 4 but I'm down to 2 rookie Tomb Guardians and a rookie Blitz-Ra on a pretty high TV team (Since I can instantly buy a replacement for the dead-dead TG) so it's getting more painful to carry these rookies. Any more injuries to crucial players and the team is getting retired I think.

Dog Pants
26-01-2013, 01:02 AM
Div A: The Dead Comics Society (KHE, JayTee) 1 - 1 Anupshi Rises (KHE, Dog Pants)

Division A's Khemri on Khemri opener promised to be a slow and violent affair, and didn't disappoint. The home team kick off with the opposing Thro-Ra catching the ball off before it lands. Anupshi Rises cage up towards the centre of the pitch and start to push, and the Dead Comics Society wrap around the formation. The ball huddle starts to slide right as the defenders start to squeeze and with no room to move the ball carrier sees a gap and breaks for it. He doesn't get far, and the ball comes loose among the melee. Despite two of the Dead Comics Society leaving the pitch in the ensuing violence they manage to make enough space around the ball for a Blitz Ra to recover then dash the ball towards the Anupshi touchline. Despite a couple of last ditch attempts to catch the runner he crosses the line to put the Dead Comics Society one up.

The second half starts with a blitz by Anupshi Rises, who hit the right hand side of the pitch to clear a path. Despite the early attack, the receiving Dead Comics Society push back on the same side with a solid cage and take back any lost ground. The two teams then grind down much of the half in a head-on push which finally breaks when the Dead Comics Society push forwards a few yards and lose two players in the offensive. The ball carrying Thro-Ra, with a suddenly smaller escort, breaks for the line and puts a lot of ground between him and the brawl courtesy of an astonishing dodge and blitz charge. One Anupshi skeleton barely manages to get a tackle zone on him as the fight takes another Dead Comics Society casualty - a dead Tomb Guardian - but it is enough to cause the charging Thro-Ra to stumble. Mere minutes remain on the clock, when suddenly the direction of the game changes. The loose ball lands beyond the sideline, and eventually is thrown back well into the Dead Comics Society half. Nearest the ball is an unusually agile Anupshi Rises skeleton, and the rest of his team begin to pummel any opponents who might pose a threat as he picks it up and runs. A couple of potential interceptors are cruelly nuffled as they stretch to catch the shambling ball carrier, and the equaliser is scored. The game ends in a short but good natured fight, as is tradition.

EDIT: Took me so long to write that I didn't see JayTee's post. Interesting to compare.

Alistair Hutton
26-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Applied to B. :)

Typical, I'm in a league with a bunch of great coaches who's TV is like 240,000,000,000 points beneath me meaning they'll get to induce God and Satan as star players as my Human team is filled to the gills with Bloatey McBloaters. I'll never get my revenge on Jiiiiiim now.

Jiiiiim
26-01-2013, 11:10 AM
Man since when did I wrong you to the point where revenge was required.

20phoenix
26-01-2013, 11:29 AM
It appears we are missing Da Wink from the champs again - if anyone sees him on steam can you find out if hes playing this season? Most outstanding applications are now in and only the following are missing now:


Champs - Da Wink
D - leftfield
F - Machination
H - Edgar
J - zwdaniel
K - El Cubo

leftfield010
26-01-2013, 12:01 PM
I am out the country , I will be back tomorrow but I have sent details to PW to sign me up

President Weasel
26-01-2013, 12:12 PM
leftfield signed up, and screwie and Lowkey's match reset

Alistair Hutton
26-01-2013, 01:16 PM
Man since when did I wrong you to the point where revenge was required.

Maybe you would remember better if you knew me as xXx_st4rscr34m_xXx?

Heliocentric
26-01-2013, 01:41 PM
If Edgar doesn't show up I want something equally squishy, I've barely killed any players with this team.

leftfield010
26-01-2013, 01:46 PM
Thanks mate

Jiiiiim
26-01-2013, 01:54 PM
maybe you would remember better if you knew me as xxx_st4rscr34m_xxx?
MY NEMESIS!!!!!

um

Alistair Hutton
26-01-2013, 05:10 PM
MY NEMESIS!!!!!

um

Next you'll claim you remember not ms_tootsy_pips and DeThDeAlEr47 either.

Prague? 2003? None of this ringing a bell?

Janek
26-01-2013, 06:16 PM
For reference I have started Division 1, and after wrestling with the seeding manager (it's so awful) got the fixtures looking the same as on the sheet.

Edit: Also validated the Khemri mirror match in A.

President Weasel
26-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Pr4GuE2oo3! We meet again! I swore one day I'd have my revenge!

wink5000
26-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Applied to Champs a minute ago.

20phoenix
26-01-2013, 07:48 PM
With that application I have started the Champs, Tier 1 and Tier 2. Tier 3 is awaiting a couple of stragglers so have left those divisions to GC

President Weasel
26-01-2013, 08:51 PM
Great stuff, Phoenix. Everybody above tier 3, start arranging your games please.

The Brain
27-01-2013, 09:46 AM
Are we missing someone from Div I? look like we only have 3 teams in there?

President Weasel
27-01-2013, 12:29 PM
At the moment there are only 3 teams in there, yes. I believe someone got promoted out of there to fill a slot further up. We'll probably get a filler team in, but there's not much point sorting that out now until we know if anyone else isn't going to show up; we might end up with another three dropouts.

laneford
27-01-2013, 01:24 PM
For reference I have started Division 1, and after wrestling with the seeding manager (it's so awful) got the fixtures looking the same as on the sheet.

Edit: Also validated the Khemri mirror match in A.

Janek also beat me 2-0 in Div 1 in the battle of the nurgle. It was so horrendous I wish never to discuss it again, and would like the memory of it to be scoured from my mind with a wire brush.

Heliocentric
27-01-2013, 02:54 PM
would like the memory of it to be scoured from my mind with a wire brush.

I have one of those green scrubby pads with a sponge on the back, any good?

Axler
27-01-2013, 03:35 PM
I'd like to volunteer for filler team duties if needed

frenz0rz
27-01-2013, 04:40 PM
Hi chaps, I've not played with you lot for a few years but I'd love to jump in if there's room. I'm still a regular BB player but have recently been missing the thrill of a proper organised league. I'll play whatever team (aside from vamps, natch). I take it you'll only accept TV1000 teams from new players?

President Weasel
27-01-2013, 04:51 PM
We've probably got room for you this season, so welcome aboard. Check the spreadsheet to see which races are full; you're free to choose any that isn't full up. Keep an eye on the thread, we'll probably put you in Division I unless we need to reshuffle the lower tier.

President Weasel
27-01-2013, 05:07 PM
People missing from Tier 3:
Div F: Machination
Div H: Edgar the Peaceful

People missing from Tier 4:
Div J: kwisatz
Div K: El Cubo

Also there's an empty slot in Div I because unexpected promotion because unexpected dropout.

Get your applications in, people.

frenz0rz
27-01-2013, 06:55 PM
We've probably got room for you this season, so welcome aboard. Check the spreadsheet to see which races are full; you're free to choose any that isn't full up. Keep an eye on the thread, we'll probably put you in Division I unless we need to reshuffle the lower tier.

Cracking, cheers. I'll add my info to the spreadsheet as soon as I've got a team sorted.

Having just read the rules, I'm a little bit confused - should I create a new TV1000 team, or am I permitted to join with a team equal to or below the lowest TV of the other teams in my division? If the answer is the latter, whats my TV limit (assuming I'm in Division I)?

President Weasel
27-01-2013, 07:00 PM
It'll be TV1000.

groovychainsaw
27-01-2013, 09:25 PM
Right, missing folks have been PM'd, if I don't get a reply by tomorrow night, I'll be reshuffling the bottom 2 tiers so we can get going (which may require a couple of people to reapply, sorry!). Everyone else, the official start to the season will be tomorrow night! Get organising that first game!!

laneford
27-01-2013, 10:03 PM
I have one of those green scrubby pads with a sponge on the back, any good?

That'll do... hang on,... did you say... green?

*Thousand yard stare. Rocking quietly back and forth in flashback*

Nuffle. Nuffle never changes.

frenz0rz
27-01-2013, 11:16 PM
Righto, I've added my info to the spreadsheet and have applied for Division I with my new Norse team, Heroes of Holmgard.

smaug81
28-01-2013, 12:44 AM
Div. C
The London Silly Nannies 0 - 1 Irrelevant Illnesses

Joeyjojo and I just finished this match, about which the less said, probably the better, out of respect for Joeyjojo's suffering. Rarely have I seen a more thorough Nuffling. Within the first 4 or 5 turns I had managed to score about as many casualties, and it only went further downhill from there. Fortunately a minimum of permanent damage was done, and Joeyjojo was a good sport throughout in spite of it all. He even nearly snuck in a highly improbable defensive TD at the beginning of the second half.

Thanks for the match Joey. I wish you better luck in the rest of the season!

Joeyjojojuniorshabadoo
28-01-2013, 01:59 AM
ugh, you too

President Weasel
28-01-2013, 11:26 AM
People missing from Tier 3:
Div F: Machination
Div H: Edgar the Peaceful

People missing from Tier 4:
Div J: kwisatz
Div K: El Cubo

Also there's an empty slot in Div I because unexpected promotion because unexpected dropout.

Get your applications in, people.

no changes as of this morning. Come on people, don't miss out on the season.

Everblue
28-01-2013, 01:32 PM
Well, at least it's four people missing so we could just drop a division! Yes, come on people - I haven't played for nearly a month!

bigc90210
28-01-2013, 01:59 PM
Alright chaps? Defo interested in this, will post my details up later when get home from work

C

Dolphan
28-01-2013, 03:27 PM
I get home internet back today, so can squeeze back in (with a new team) if you need a team.

President Weasel
28-01-2013, 04:07 PM
If we don't hear by this evening from the missing 4, we'll be needing all 3 of you: frenzors, bigc, and dolphan. If we hear from one of the missing players, we'll still need all 3. Stand ready.

bigc90210
28-01-2013, 08:50 PM
added myself to the roster :)

groovychainsaw
28-01-2013, 09:32 PM
right, we've lost the aforementioned four (after PMs and everything), so apologies chaps, you'll be welcome back in a future season. This means some minor disruption near the bottom (oo-er). Listen up!

Elesium, up to F
The Brain, up to H
Graver, Eard over to I
Everblue, Chad Sexington, Cyberpunkdreams and Frenzorz in J
Dolphan and BigC90210 in K, need 2 filler teams!!

Axler volunteered one filler team, so just need another for division K. Applications in by tomorrow if possible chaps and we'll get you playing!

The Brain
28-01-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm stuck in Middlesbrough until tomorrow but will apply as soon as I get home. An admin should probably kick me out of Div I.

NieA7
28-01-2013, 10:09 PM
I could do a filler team, feel like trying some vamps.

Out of curiosity, if I wanted to retire Tooth and Claw in the future could I bring the vamp team back as DoD returners (assuming they do nothing in between)?

Dolphan
28-01-2013, 10:10 PM
Team created, application in.

President Weasel
28-01-2013, 10:11 PM
If they've only ever played in the DoD? Sure, why not. I see no problem with it.

Axler
28-01-2013, 10:12 PM
Applied to K with a Norse filler team

edit

ignore the above I realized Dolphan also had a Norse team in that Div so in the interests of variety I've reapplied with a Dwarf team "Dwarven Bulldogs"

frenz0rz
28-01-2013, 10:24 PM
The Heroes of Holmgard have applied to J.

cyberpunkdreams
28-01-2013, 10:34 PM
right, we've lost the aforementioned four (after PMs and everything), so apologies chaps, you'll be welcome back in a future season. This means some minor disruption near the bottom (oo-er). Listen up!

Elesium, up to F
The Brain, up to H
Graver, Eard over to I
Everblue, Chad Sexington, Cyberpunkdreams and Frenzorz in J
Dolphan and BigC90210 in K, need 2 filler teams!!

Axler volunteered one filler team, so just need another for division K. Applications in by tomorrow if possible chaps and we'll get you playing!

I'm already applied to J, as far as I can tell. I just need to be accepted.

Heliocentric
28-01-2013, 10:44 PM
I'm stuck in Middlesbrough until tomorrow but will apply as soon as I get home. An admin should probably kick me out of Div I.
Delves?
I've posted you a match care package. Wet wipes, an adult nappy, sick bag and some sleeping tablets for after the match.

Elesium
28-01-2013, 11:11 PM
Applied to F.

NieA7
28-01-2013, 11:18 PM
Applied to K with the other filler.

Web Cole
28-01-2013, 11:19 PM
I applied to H a while ago, but as far as I can tell I haven't been accepted. Did it get lost or is the app still waiting on being processed?

The Brain
28-01-2013, 11:23 PM
Delves?
I've posted you a match care package. Wet wipes, an adult nappy, sick bag and some sleeping tablets for after the match.

Ah Helio, we meet again. Delves, they're like elves only more punchy. To be honest I'm kind of sad to have moved out of Corkir's division. I had expected to get my arse handed to me in a very educational way and learn how to play my new team. Now I think I'm just going to have my shiny new team fouled to death very early in their career. Ah well.

Everblue
28-01-2013, 11:59 PM
Don't worry if you haven't been accepted into your division - it happens at the last minute before the tier starts.

Gorm
29-01-2013, 01:07 AM
Who did someone bribe to get dwarfs into my league?

Elesium
29-01-2013, 01:51 AM
Gorm, don't worry my Dwarves haven't played a single match yet, I'd have liked to stay where I was, nice Elves and Goblins to sink my teeth into first.