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Rii
21-07-2011, 11:21 AM
Of late I've been vaguely entertaining the idea of buying into the Xbox 360 ecosystem at some point. Maybe. There are ancillary factors - interoperability of accessories with PC, likely carryover of Kinect to any successor system, media server functionality - but, unsurprisingly, games are the main consideration. In that respect my interest has been piqued of late by Vanquish, Child of Eden and the upcoming Catherine.

So my question is: what else should I be looking at? There's no magic number of titles which is going to flip the decision switch to 'buy', but the more the better!

EDIT: Changed thread title to better reflect nature of discussion evolved therein.

Jams O'Donnell
21-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Shadow Complex. SHADOW COMPLEX!

thegooseking
21-07-2011, 12:07 PM
Would it be too obvious to say Red Dead Redemption?

I originally bought an Xbox mainly for Fable II, which is still Xbox-exclusive, but since Fable III isn't very different and now on the PC, that's not such a strong exclusive any more.

If you like JRPGs, I can definitely recommend Lost Odyssey. It kind of plays like PS1-era Final Fantasies, though with a somewhat more grown-up story (somewhat). It's definitely better than the Final Fantasies from X onwards; it's kind of a return to form for the series, even though it isn't part of the series.

Kaira-
21-07-2011, 02:09 PM
Deadly Premonition, which came out of nowhere and pretty much became my GOTY 2010. (Also, shameless promotion of my review (http://justanothergamereviewer.blogspot.com/2011/03/deadly-premonition-xbox-360.html) for it, if you are interested)

I liked Alan Wake, though the combat got really repetive towards the end. Nice still, but don't bother with the DLC unless you really like the game.

8-bit
21-07-2011, 04:01 PM
resonance of fate was one of the best games I played last year, its a great jrpg with an action, but still turn based battle system that works fantastically well. it has a lot of nice characters and played with some expectations I had for the story rather well imo. Its a shame nobody but me and five other people played it because I want more, and I don't often say that.

Vanquish was nice, but the game starts to fall apart at the end before finishing very suddenly on a cliffhanger. Bayonetta is the best game from platinum (just not the ps3 version) if you can put up with the character its by far the best devil may cry style game ever made. doesn't have a story though, just game and pop culture references stacked one on top of another with splosions in between.

I thought castlevania was uneven at times but I still enjoyed it, and I liked alan wake a lot. many people didn't like that game because Alan was annoying, but then the whole point was that he is a hack so it seems to be a big success to me.

Anthile
21-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Nier. Nier. Nier. I only type this thrice because this message is too short otherwise.

SMiD
21-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Alan Wake bump. If you solely focus on combat, you'll get bored after a short time. Focus, rather, on the story, and you'll be much better off. I thoroughly enjoyed the title. Also, since Final Fantasy was mentioned in here, avoid XIII. Unless you like holding forward and tapping A every once in a while; game is such a downer from XII.

Miker
21-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Shadow Complex. SHADOW COMPLEX!

I played the demo and was a bit underwhelmed. It's frankly rather ugly, yet it still has noticeable issues with framerate. Is it really that good? I'm a huge Metroid/Castlevania guy, but Shadow Complex just had zero charm for me.

8-bit
21-07-2011, 06:22 PM
its no super metroid but it does the job well enough, tbh its not that hard to be seen as a great game when there are about five total that can be classed as metroid like on the console. for what its worth I thought outland was better, but thats more like fusion, only without the crushing disappointment of being a linear 2d metroid.

Vexing Vision
21-07-2011, 06:47 PM
Brütal Legend. Apart from the horrible RTS part, it's a fantastic game with pretty much THE best soundtrack made ever. Like ever.

sinister agent
21-07-2011, 07:15 PM
Both very old now, but Crackdown. Dunno about the sequel, but Crackdown is just sheer lunatic car-throwing, building-jumping fun. I spent much of summer 2007 playing this with a friend (I only had one controller, so we just took turns, and even simply watching was often hilarious) until stupid o'clock, and will fondly remember that summer for many years. You can probably pick it up for about three quid now, too.

Dead Rising. It's both brilliant and bloody terrible - the controls are awful, the text is undreadable, the bosses are horrendous (AND they respawn), the escort bits are infuriating, FUCKING BASTARD OTIS NEVER STOPS FUCKING CALLING WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP OTIS GODDAMN IT.

And yet it is so much fun. You can literally spend the length of the game splatting zombies with sledgehammers, footballs, and children's toys if you want to. And then play it through again with more skills.

Picture, if you will, a pair of frightened Japanese tourists hiding in a book shop in an American mall infested with zombies. They look nervously out of the window, and see a man with a camera running past, wearing a zebra-striped dress, workman's boots, and a child's plastic superhero helmet, closely pursued by a clown bouncing along on a giant spacehopper, cackling and juggling a pair of miniature chainsaws. That'd Dead Rising, that is.

Gears of War 2. Yes, yes, I know, it's puerile, ultra-macho, angry homo-repressed gorrilla-man nonsense, but it's actually a very well-designed and enjoyable game. The multiplayer is a laugh (split screen and bots, too), and there's a terrific horde mode where you and a friend (you'll probably need a few, certainly on most maps) have to fight off ever-escalating waves of nasties. A vast improvement on the fairly clunky and frustrating original. Don't worry about ruining the plot - the writers did that before the game was even released.

Man Raised By Puffins
21-07-2011, 07:16 PM
Crackdown - Rather slight open-world romp, but blessed with an excellent "feel" and driven by the compulsive need to collect more orbs.

Earth Defence Force 2017 - "The government has named these extra-terrestrials Ravagers, they are currently attempting to establish contact with the Ravagers. Are they our friendly galactic neighbours or are their intentions more sinister?"
Pleasingly old-skool lo-fi co-opable bug/robot shooter. EDF! EDF! etc.

Brütal Legend - A bit disappointing (sparse world, truncated story), but a Double Fine game nonetheless.

sinister agent
21-07-2011, 07:24 PM
Oooh, yes, EDF is brilliant. Budget low-fi giant bug/robot fighting madness. And you'll care about the completely anonymous, disposable mooks so much. They're so sincere, it's adorable.

There's a sequel coming out (I think) later this year that looks much more visually impressive and polished, but it may still be great fun. I'm looking forward to that one.

Kadayi
21-07-2011, 07:44 PM
If you are going to venture into console land you're probably better off opting for a PS3 that way you get RDR as well as all those Sony exclusives that are never going to come to PC ever regrettably like Uncharted, MGS4 etc etc. The way it stands I think we'll start seeing more and more 360 titles (esp download) migrate to the PC over time. Especially with good press like this:-

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/20/zeboyd-pc-sales-leave-xblig-in-the-dust/

acting as a motivator to developers.

TheLastBaron
21-07-2011, 07:46 PM
Brütal Legend. Apart from the horrible RTS part, it's a fantastic game with pretty much THE best soundtrack made ever. Like ever.
Hmmm, I really liked the RTS part, and yeah the soundtrack is superb.
Another vote for Alan Wake.

8-bit
21-07-2011, 07:58 PM
Alan Wake had a cracking soundtrack too, we need more Nick Cave and David Bowie in games. the Poets of the Fall songs were good too, loved the way they worked them into the game with a fake band, episode 4 was definitely the high point for me.

Rii
21-07-2011, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the suggestions folks, keep 'em coming!

Hypothetically, if I were to venture into the Haloverse, which title would be best? I don't mind delving knee-deep in lore, indeed the lore is the main reason I'm interested at all.


If you are going to venture into console land you're probably better off opting for a PS3 that way you get RDR as well as all those Sony exclusives that are never going to come to PC ever regrettably like Uncharted, MGS4 etc etc. The way it stands I think we'll start seeing more and more 360 titles (esp download) migrate to the PC over time. Especially with good press like this:-

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/20/zeboyd-pc-sales-leave-xblig-in-the-dust/

acting as a motivator to developers.

I used to have a PS3 and have already checked out most of the exclusives there that appeal to me, most notably Metal Gear Solid 4, Flower and Wipeout HD. And Sony's controllers are still unergonomic sacks of shit.

Still, I admit that Shadows of the Colossus HD has caught my eye given that I never got to it on PS2. And the Blu-Ray would be useful. I could theoretically be convinced.

Kadayi
21-07-2011, 08:56 PM
Still, I admit that Shadows of the Colossus HD has caught my eye given that I never got to it on PS2. And the Blu-Ray would be useful. I could theoretically be convinced.

That is a lovely game (along with Ico). Plus the Last Guardian is down the road.

SMiD
21-07-2011, 08:57 PM
Rii, for Halo, I've only played Reach. But from my limited understanding, that's the one you'd be most interested in. People don't like ODST for some reason, and I don't think people are still playing 3 on MP. I'm prolly not the best person to ask, but there you go. My $.02.

Plus, for lore, it does set the back-drop for the whole rest of the Halo story.

sinister agent
21-07-2011, 09:01 PM
I've not had a PS3 in the house for years, but I can say that of the few exclusives I've played, Resistance is not amazing, but is a decent shooter with some interesting weapons and a great health system that's a sort of halfway point between regenerating health and health packs, so probably worth getting cheap. It's kind of old-schooly in its shooting, very vaguely reminiscent of Doom. No cover system, none needed. The multi was quite a laugh, too, though a bit unbalanced (I played offline).

Uncharted is a polished and utterly, utterly gorgeous cover-based shooter with a B-movie plot and high production values. Cheesy as hell and predictable as the day, but still rather entertaining and generally likeable. The final boss is dreadful, though, leaving a rather bitter taste in the mouth.

MGS4 is one of the most insultingly terrible games I've played in my life.

Otherwise, I can't say, but only because I haven't really played much on the PS for about three years. I'm led to believe that the 360 and PS3 are roughly level these days in terms of game availability. I'd certainly rather have Crackdown and EDF than Uncharted, but the PS3 does have the advantage of free online multiplayer, which may make a big difference depending on how you like to play.

Just make sure you give them a false address.

tossrStu
22-07-2011, 12:09 AM
Crackdown. Dunno about the sequel, but Crackdown is just sheer lunatic car-throwing, building-jumping fun.

The problem with Crackdown 2 is that it's pretty much just more Crackdown.

The great thing about Crackdown 2 is that it's MORE CRACKDOWN.

deano2099
22-07-2011, 02:56 AM
Cheers for the JRPG suggestions. I realised playing Cthullu Saves the World the other day that I've not played a good one this generation (FF13 really doesn't count). Will look at picking up Resonance of Fate and Lost Odyssey, and look in to Nier... anything else particularly good in that genre? 360 or PS3.

Xercies
22-07-2011, 11:00 AM
If you were getting a PS3 I would recommend Valkyria Cronicles, thats a really good strategic kind of JRPG but its more turn based strategy game with RPG elements of levelling up. Its also got a nice War story that is quite charming.

8-bit
22-07-2011, 01:02 PM
Hypothetically, if I were to venture into the Haloverse, which title would be best? I don't mind delving knee-deep in lore, indeed the lore is the main reason I'm interested at all.

the only halo game that focuses on the backstory or lore is Reach, the rest of the games are just "master chef go beat bad guy" "I finish fight later" then a little alien walks past talking in a funny voice, later the many show up to ruin everyones fun. I did like the first game though, lots of wide open spaces to run through in the early parts of the game, I think they are remaking it too.


Cheers for the JRPG suggestions. I realised playing Cthullu Saves the World the other day that I've not played a good one this generation (FF13 really doesn't count). Will look at picking up Resonance of Fate and Lost Odyssey, and look in to Nier... anything else particularly good in that genre? 360 or PS3.

I can think of Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia and blue dragon. not saying that those are all great games but thats pretty much it for jrpgs on the home consoles, for now at least since last story and xenoblade are coming to the wii later in the year, but we aren't talking about the wii.

Xercies
22-07-2011, 05:04 PM
I would put another hat in for Eternal Sonata, it has a decent Battle system in it, and it has a very interesting and quite good story. It does have problems that most modern JRPGs have which is that it is very linear pathing and its a little to long but other then that it is a pretty good game.

Splynter
23-07-2011, 03:00 AM
For the PS3, I'm going to mention Valkyria Chronicles again. To me, it's mechanically what the new Xcom should be. It's also got a fairly charming story wrapped up in a very pretty anime style presentation.

Demon's Souls is fabulous, and while it isn't as horribly hardcore as many people would like to tell you it is, it still is a breath of fresh (or dark, evil, stagnant) air in the hand-holding era we are in. It is also quite atmospheric and has a very cool persistent multiplayer component.

3D dot game heroes is a 2D zelda clone from the makers of Demon's Souls. It's hard, charming and has a hookshot. 'Nuff said.

Wipeout HD is a reasonable replacement for the oh-so-good Fzero GX for the gamecube. I enjoy it to a point; I find myself constantly thinking "I wish I were playing an HD Fzero game" and getting annoyed that it doesn't handle like Fzero. All that, however, is my own personal bias, as the game is still quite good.

Flower is small, short and beautiful. It's an extremely relaxing game (unless going for some of the harder trophies...) that is a joy to play and watch.

The Little Big Planets are decent. They have some cool creation and sharing tools, a fairly charming visual style, and are great fun to play with your friends/family who are not avid gamers. Personally, I think the platforming in them is too floaty to be satisfying, and the game is geared towards people who love collectibles and customizing avatars.

Edit: Apparently I should read more carefully, as the OP has already mentioned some of these games. Oh well.

Rii
25-07-2011, 11:03 AM
Ok, so after discovering this (http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Elite-Wireless-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B003V4AK8E/ref=pd_cp_vg_1) third-party controller for PS3, recalling Heavy Rain and Journey, being reminded by folks here of Valkyria Chronicles and giving due consideration to the console's value as a Blu-Ray player ... I have switched my theoretical allegiance to PS3!


Wipeout HD is a reasonable replacement for the oh-so-good Fzero GX for the gamecube. I enjoy it to a point; I find myself constantly thinking "I wish I were playing an HD Fzero game"

I know exactly what you mean. F-Zero GX is one of my favourite games in the history of ever. Wipeout HD is a fine title in its own right but it - and any future iterations of the franchise for that matter - will forever be but a stand-in for my true love. I'd like to think that Nintendo is working on another one for Wii U, but I've been hurt too many times to get my hopes up now. Retro claims to be working on something 'everyone wants to see' but I think that's more likely to be Starfox than anything else. Not that I don't want to see that too.

laneford
25-07-2011, 04:25 PM
If you have switched to PS3 you must you must you must get Demon's Souls. MUST. MUST.

Splynter
25-07-2011, 06:50 PM
Hmm. A new game from Retro would be quite exciting; those guys sure do know what they're doing. Starfox 64 i've recently gone backed to and discovered just how well the gameplay has aged. And yes, demon's souls is great, but you must MUST get Valkyria chronicles: Vyse, Aika and Fina are in it, simultaneously playing to nostalgia and making you depressed about the chances of ever seeing them starring in a game again...

TheLastBaron
25-07-2011, 08:36 PM
If you have switched to PS3 you must you must you must get Demon's Souls. MUST. MUST.

^This. I can't wait for Dark Souls.

Miker
25-07-2011, 08:50 PM
Ok, so after discovering this (http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Elite-Wireless-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B003V4AK8E/ref=pd_cp_vg_1) third-party controller for PS3, recalling Heavy Rain and Journey, being reminded by folks here of Valkyria Chronicles and giving due consideration to the console's value as a Blu-Ray player ... I have switched my theoretical allegiance to PS3!



I know exactly what you mean. F-Zero GX is one of my favourite games in the history of ever. Wipeout HD is a fine title in its own right but it - and any future iterations of the franchise for that matter - will forever be but a stand-in for my true love. I'd like to think that Nintendo is working on another one for Wii U, but I've been hurt too many times to get my hopes up now. Retro claims to be working on something 'everyone wants to see' but I think that's more likely to be Starfox than anything else. Not that I don't want to see that too.

To play the devil's advocate here, I had a PS3 and switched to a 360. When I was considering keeping my PS3, I also took a look at that controller, but if you'll take a look at the user reviews, it supposedly has a horrible deadzone. Keep in mind that the PS3 is generally less slick than the 360, if you ask me. The PSN store's layout is a bit awful, and even things like downloading stuff in the background is a bit unintuitive. That's not to say that paying for Live is desirable, but I do vastly prefer it to PSN. And generally speaking, multiplatform console exclusives are better on the 360.

8-bit
25-07-2011, 11:50 PM
ps3 has firmware problems too, there have been two occasions when it has updated and wiped or corrupted all my save and install data.

Giant bomb had a preview of journey a while ago that sunk all my expectations, a pilgrimage to a mysterious mountain across a vast and open landscape turns out to be just another 3d platformer with segregated levels and everything.

SirKicksalot
28-07-2011, 01:37 AM
Enslaved is absolutely amazing. The quality of the writing (Alex Garland!) and the performances (Andy Serkis!) are incredible. The whole package is excellent, except for abysmal performance and low resolution. It's a really good game, I'd take it any time over the Uncharteds and whatever else is there.

Right now I'm playing Dante's Inferno. I'm only two hours in and I like it more than God of War. It's a bit simpler, with smarter checkpoints and easier QTEs, plus it allows you to change difficulty on the fly. I'm not a fan of this type of gameplay and the boss fights are especially annoying, but Dante is worth playing through for the INCREDIBLE depiction of Hell. It's one of the most nightmarish settings I've ever seen. The atmosphere, the art design, the sound, the music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-ZZa1gvuk&t=1m25s) - it's blowing my mind over and over again.