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Jams O'Donnell
29-07-2011, 11:18 PM
(edited later to add that the new card doesn't work -- if you can offer any advice/opinions please scroll down to where I describe what's up. Also, sad face.)

I think I fried my video card. Sadface.

So, a replacement card! Something under 100 because my budget is slim at the moment, and if possible something that will offer a performance gain over my old* card, which is a 512Mb Radeon HD 2900. I'm not especially tied to ATI/AMD if nVidia is currently ruling the roost at that price range. If it makes any difference, I have no real interest in DX11, since I'm a Vista user.

Recommendations? Please? Thank you?

* Look at me, all calling it my old card already. No loyalty -- that's me.

Alex Bakke
30-07-2011, 12:40 AM
The 5770 may tickle your fancy - http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-scanfx-radeon-hd-5770-pci-e-21-gddr5-dvi-hdmi-vga-card

Jams O'Donnell
30-07-2011, 12:54 AM
Yeah, I think it's done for ...

http://www.jonathansutcliffe.com/files/fubar.jpg

The 5770 certainly did catch my eye, and I've seen it for around 80. I have no idea what the equivalent in the nVidia line is though, or how to compare them.

Alex Bakke
30-07-2011, 01:19 AM
I *think* the GTX 460 is the nearest equivalent card. It's a bit more pricey on scan though: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-msi-gtx-460-oc-3600mhz-gddr5-gpu-725mhz-336-cores-dvi-mhdmi

imirk
30-07-2011, 01:24 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2964-7.html

for equivalencies and recommendations

ComradePenguin
30-07-2011, 01:30 AM
This is always a good guide (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-32225-7.html). EDIT: imirk beat me to it.

Personally I'd go for a second hand 4890/70 for 50 or so and save up for something else. Otherwise 5770 is a good bet though if you can find a cut price 460 or 5850 a smidge over budget that might be a better bet.

Auspex
30-07-2011, 01:48 PM
The most recent PC-Gamer has a feature on sub-200 cards. I realise that's over your budget but id does include the GeForce GTX 550 Ti at 113 and the N460GTX Hawk at 128 if you can manage to go slightly over budget/find a better price. They get 77% and 88% respectively.

ComradePenguin
30-07-2011, 04:47 PM
If we're talking slightly over budget probably the best deal at the minute is a XFX 6870 from Scan (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-hd-6870-black-edition-4600mhz-gddr5-gpu-940mhz-1120-stream-processors-2xdvi-hdmi-mdp) which can be had for 126 on their today only page (http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx?_s_icmp=AkaIX3H4) (Near the bottom of the super savers section). You also get a free copy of Dirt 3 and AMD are also running a Shogun 2 promotion (https://www.amd-promotions.com/shogun2/uk/index.asp) which you should qualify for that could possibly justify going a smidge over budget. You can also get free delivery for joining certain forums. A 6870 would be a decent step up from a 550ti or a 5770. Mine can pretty much play anything at 1920x1080 with all the fancy stuff turned on.

If you really can't go over 100 then they have a 550ti which is 93.59 on Today Only (http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx?_s_icmp=AkaIX3H4) (In the nVidia graphics section). If memory serves a 550ti is slightly better than 5770.

Jams O'Donnell
30-07-2011, 06:04 PM
All righty, folks. Thanks for the pointers. I don't know why I find buying video cards so confusing. Probably the consumer-unfriendly product names.

Other than Scan, what's a good outlet for components in the UK? When I lived in the US, Newegg was my go-to tech shop, but I've no idea what stores are reliable over here.

slick_101
30-07-2011, 06:10 PM
Scan is pretty good, also try out ebuyer.com ( When doing a search for components for my new rig I built within the last few days they managed to save me 20 and all my stuff! Which was then spent on chinese while building it xD) overclockers.co.uk Isn't to bad either If you can find something you want in the deals

KauhuK
30-07-2011, 08:15 PM
I thought Vista has DX11 support too.

CMaster
30-07-2011, 09:47 PM
Scan, eBuyer, Dabs and Amazon are my normal go-tos - Scan used to have some customer service problems, but I've heard a lot of praise recently. I know Amazon seems odd and I'd never used them for a a full build, but every so often they undercut the others on a few items hugely (they had the new 600gb Velociraptor for 40 cheaper than anywhere else for a while). Microdirect are reliable too.

Oh, just to check - have you opened up your case and cleaned all the dust off the card? Can make a huge difference.

Nullkigan
30-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Oh, just to check - have you opened up your case and cleaned all the dust off the card? Can make a huge difference.

This and a tiny underclock (5-10 MHz) will solve most ills, but leave your wallet fat and ungainly.

DarkNoghri
30-07-2011, 10:18 PM
Yeah, you may not have actually fried your card, since it's (sort of) working.

On the other hand:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2964-3.html
That's where I usually go for a quick comparison of what's good at any given time. They usually push out one of those once per month, so expect another one in about a week. Anyway, for the most up-to-date article in the 155$ range (close to 100 pounds, I think), you're looking at a Radeon 6790 or a nVidia GTX 460 768 MB (note, not the same as the 460 1GB).

Jams O'Donnell
31-07-2011, 07:46 AM
Oh, just to check - have you opened up your case and cleaned all the dust off the card? Can make a huge difference.
Ah, stupidly hadn't thought of this. Will give that a shot.

@Nullkigan -- yes, there is a small element of "yay -- now I *have* to get a shiny new card" about it :)

Edited later to add: Bah -- cleaning the card didn't resolve it.

Jams O'Donnell
01-08-2011, 10:50 AM
... and I just ordered a 6770, with Dirt 3 thrown in as a sweetener and enough left from 100 to get drunk with. Victory!

Jams O'Donnell
02-08-2011, 07:50 PM
So, I'm resurrecting this thread to say that -- the horror -- my new card does not appear to work! When it's installed in the machine, the machine fails to boot even as far as BIOS, even when I've told the machine in BIOS to use the onboard video output. When I take the card out, everything boots as it should.

Does this soud like a familiar issue to anyone? Is there anything I can do other than RMAing it?

*cries*

CMaster
02-08-2011, 08:30 PM
Sounds like it could be a power issue.
Make sure you have all appropriate power connected. Make sure you have enough power (try unplugging HDDs etc). Failing that, RMA it.

Jams O'Donnell
02-08-2011, 08:59 PM
It's a power issue. Everything works hunky-dory if I have the card inserted but no power running into it. If I insert a power cord, things won't boot.

The requirement for the card is 450W (with 600 recommended for Crossfire), I have 550W. I'm not very pleased, but now on the hunt for a not terribly expensive 650W or 700W supply.

I'm having a "there once was a lady who swallowed a fly" feeling :(

Jams O'Donnell
02-08-2011, 09:16 PM
But! Confusion!

This tool, which a couple of reliable souces link to, http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp says I only need 350W, and that's with me padding things a bit (claiming more HDDs and DVD drives, etc). I would be thoroughly pissed if I bought a new PSU and things still didn't work. How do I decide what to do? Should I just RMA the card and hope for the best?

Ansob
02-08-2011, 10:42 PM
If you have time but no money, yes.

CMaster
02-08-2011, 11:55 PM
It's a power issue. Everything works hunky-dory if I have the card inserted but no power running into it. If I insert a power cord, things won't boot.

The requirement for the card is 450W (with 600 recommended for Crossfire), I have 550W. I'm not very pleased, but now on the hunt for a not terribly expensive 650W or 700W supply.

I'm having a "there once was a lady who swallowed a fly" feeling :(

I'm not convinced that means it's a power issue. That just means that it won't start when the card should be working. Try disconnecting power from all your drives and seeing if it will start up then with the card connected. If it will then you're short of power. If not probably something else and definitely an RMA.

DarkNoghri
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Specs? You should be perfectly fine with a 550, unless you're running a beast or something old and power-hungry. Did you uninstall the old drivers?

Alex Bakke
06-08-2011, 10:31 AM
It could be any number of issues. Once again a 550W should be perfectly fine for your GPU. If the drivers on the card are causing problems, then it may not start up. I had the same issues with a wireless card.

Try uninstalling the drivers, then reinstalling - if that doesn't work, RMA.

Kamikaze-X
08-08-2011, 06:55 PM
yeah, you did uninstall the drivers for the old card first, right?

Jams O'Donnell
09-08-2011, 09:00 AM
I'll try running something like driver sweeper, but surely drivers wouldn't make a differenceto whether the machine makes it past POST. The conclusion I arrived at is that my mobo is incompatible with PCI-e 2.x cards, and the solution I'm eyeing up is to get a new mobo & processor (probably a nice mid-range i5, though I might just plump for a good i3 to save some ). I'd been planning to do that at some time in the future anyway -- this just brings those plans forward a bit.

QuantaCat
14-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Doesnt sound like its getting cheaper.. Thank god motherboards and CPUs dont cost so much anymore..

Kamikaze-X
15-08-2011, 08:09 PM
I'll try running something like driver sweeper, but surely drivers wouldn't make a differenceto whether the machine makes it past POST. The conclusion I arrived at is that my mobo is incompatible with PCI-e 2.x cards, and the solution I'm eyeing up is to get a new mobo & processor (probably a nice mid-range i5, though I might just plump for a good i3 to save some ). I'd been planning to do that at some time in the future anyway -- this just brings those plans forward a bit.
I'm pretty sure PCI-E 16x cards are backwards compatible mate....

Jams O'Donnell
16-08-2011, 09:33 AM
Nope -- seems like that was probably the problem, or at least some kind of hardware incompatability with my motherboard.

Researching anew motherboard made it clear that it'd be most sensible to get something with a more modern socket, which meant gettign a new CPU, and the motherboard I selected wants DDR3 so I got some more RAM too, and since that put me over what I could use in Vista 32 I got myself Win 7 too. So I basically replaced everything but the case, power supply, and drives. The computer is running pretty damn sweetly now -- I ended up with a nice big boost to the Windows experience index thinger.

AdamK117
22-08-2011, 10:28 PM
+1 on a 5770, runs pretty efficiently, 2x HDMI ports, DX11, sub 100 easily, maxes most games (but don't expect any top-end miracles from it)

Bilbo1981
23-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Unplug everything which uses power apart from the graphics card and boot. First place to start.