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pakoito
24-01-2013, 09:49 AM
I'm trying to finish my new build and I have the biggest of confusions with the GPU. I want to know firsthand what or how has AMD improved all his linux and incompatibility problems over the last years, or at least a reason why I should get a HD7970 over a GTX680 that's not price or marginally better performance. How's everyday gaming? Does it have problems with every other game like before? Can you Linux normally on them? How's the compatibility with Hackingtosh or Virtual Machines?

mashakos
24-01-2013, 10:18 AM
My experience going from a gtx280 to an HD5870 : sold the 5870 to the first buyer after 6 months of waiting for "driver improvements", went back to nvidia. Using the same card since (gtx580).
That's the most recent experience I can offer you.

Velko
24-01-2013, 11:41 AM
The price differences are, at least in Finland, hugely in favour of AMD. You can get a 7950 cheaper than a 660Ti, even though the latter is rather clearly inferior.

I went with 7950 in my new rig. I wanted to get an Nvidia card, but with those prices...

pakoito
24-01-2013, 12:13 PM
The price differences are, at least in Finland, hugely in favour of AMD. You can get a 7950 cheaper than a 660Ti, even though the latter is rather clearly inferior.

I went with 7950 in my new rig. I wanted to get an Nvidia card, but with those prices...


or at least a reason why I should get a HD7970 over a GTX680 that's not price or marginally better performance Price is not a problem in that 50€ difference.

asskicker
24-01-2013, 12:30 PM
Nvidia currently has better / faster driver support. (imo)

I'm a AMD user myself though, you can't beat their quality / price.

Shane
24-01-2013, 12:53 PM
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/

pakoito
24-01-2013, 12:55 PM
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/

That's the cause of my doubts, not the solution.

Jesus_Phish
24-01-2013, 01:35 PM
It's a debate that will never end.

All I can add to it is this from my experience. Updating AMD drivers was such a pain that I swore them off pretty much for good. The driver update was broken and had to be rolled back, yet it was still available as the latest available working driver. I've played on recent AMD cards with recent games where the card surpasses the required specs and it still runs badly on low-medium settings. The game also had a massive issue on launch where the entire screen would go black.

Nvidia
+They release drivers faster/more fequently
+They partner with most games
+Only their cards have Physx

AMD
+They're nearly always better bang for your buck (ie similar spec cards are cheaper from AMD than Nvidia)

If price is really not an issue for you and you don't mind paying the extra 50 bucks for a Nvidia card, go with Nvidia to save yourself hassle in the long run.

trjp
24-01-2013, 05:59 PM
I'd say if you care about being 'leading edge' (and everything in your build is about that, rather than actual practical use that I can see) then you need an nVidia card - end of.

AMD are rocking on the edge, they may even stop making GPUs in the next 1-2 years - driver updates are slow and other issues are long outstanding BUT they also blow nVidia out of the water on price at many price/performance points and price matters to most people...

If money doesn't matter tho - nVidia all the way...

p.s. you appear to be trying to create a 'perfect' system - it's impossible, you'll only get wound-up in the detail and forget the point of doing it - sometimes you just make a decision and work with it. After all, if money isn't an issue you can change stuff later anyway...

Sketch
24-01-2013, 07:40 PM
Driver updates since the 7000 began have been quite a big step up AMDs front and got some pretty massive performance gains too.

The best I can offer you is I have a 7970 and it's a great card that I'm more than happy with. Even using Windows 8 I've had no issues with driver support either which obviously is nice. That's not to say I'm biased against Nvidia, my 8800 GTX was a great, great card. Really as it stands, I think both companies are on a fairly level playing field and if one is cheaper than the other, it's worthing jumping on it.

Sakkura
24-01-2013, 08:10 PM
I'd say if you care about being 'leading edge' (and everything in your build is about that, rather than actual practical use that I can see) then you need an nVidia card - end of.

AMD are rocking on the edge, they may even stop making GPUs in the next 1-2 years - driver updates are slow and other issues are long outstanding BUT they also blow nVidia out of the water on price at many price/performance points and price matters to most people...

If money doesn't matter tho - nVidia all the way...

p.s. you appear to be trying to create a 'perfect' system - it's impossible, you'll only get wound-up in the detail and forget the point of doing it - sometimes you just make a decision and work with it. After all, if money isn't an issue you can change stuff later anyway...
That's absurd, quite frankly. AMD is making a profit on its graphics business, so of course it wouldn't just be shut down. Even if AMD goes under because of its difficulties in the CPU market, the GPU business would simply be sold off and continue on under some other name.

trjp
24-01-2013, 10:57 PM
Removed because it's pointless in this thread

Sakkura
24-01-2013, 11:10 PM
AMDs support is fine for regular gaming, and in fact better than Nvidia in some cases (multi-monitor gaming eg.). And it wasn't exactly cataclysmic the last time they were sold.

trjp
25-01-2013, 01:14 AM
Removed - same reason

Sakkura
25-01-2013, 01:25 AM
Edit: Serves no purpose now.

Sakkura
25-01-2013, 02:33 AM
Edit: Serves no purpose now.

trjp
25-01-2013, 02:41 AM
I'm gonna stop screwing-up the OP's thread with a pointless argument - I made my point and deleted everything else.

Derailing his thread just to prove technical points is daft - he asked for opinions, you gave him yours, I gave him mine - let him get on with it...

soldant
25-01-2013, 02:49 AM
I've had a few AMD cards over the years, since they do offer better performance for the price. But as the others have said I've had weird driver issues with all of them, particularly when new games were released. I also had a strange issue with my 5850 where the second monitor would constantly flicker when the card was in its low-power 2D state. AMD acknowledged it was a problem and released a "driver fix" which didn't work - the card's 2D clocks were too low and caused instability, the drivers didn't fix it. I ended up having to force higher 2D clocks with Afterburner. Maybe it was the manufacturer's fault, but plenty of other people with different branded cards had the same issue (with varying degrees of success).

Since then I'm not going back to AMD. Too many issues, too many complaints... nVidia usually have beta drivers out to meet new game releases to improve performance or resolve issues, and no nVidia card has ever given me any problems.

Moraven
25-01-2013, 05:52 AM
Never had problems with AMD/ATI cards. Been using them for 6-8 years. Never have encountered any driver problems or any problems with games.

Their recent driver update has had pretty big gains across multiple games. Using a 7950 now with no problems.

Komsomol
25-01-2013, 01:00 PM
I owned AMD and Nvidia cards currently still on the same 5890 for the last couple of years.

I never had any driver problems recently, last time was like 2005ish? They improved greatly since then.

So I don't know what people are talking about.

mashakos
25-01-2013, 01:21 PM
I owned AMD and Nvidia cards currently still on the same 5890 for the last couple of years.

I never had any driver problems recently, last time was like 2005ish? They improved greatly since then.

So I don't know what people are talking about.

it's nice that ati covers your needs, but it's a different story for a lot of people:

http://enbseries.enbdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=15
http://enbdev.com/enbseries/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=353&sid=08afe139cd3af71317cfd456d36dc4fd
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2900333
http://enbseries.enbdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=509
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Catalyst-10-4-to-fix-slow-2D-with-Radeon-5000-series
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-MlAA-not-working-from-catalyst-11-2-in-dx11-mode
http://zachsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/ati-hd-hardware-accelerated-dxva-for.html
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1687886
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1671970
http://www.oddworld.com/2011/01/oddworld-strangers-wrath-pc-and-ati-graphics-cards/
http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=231137#p231137
http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24519
http://enbseries.enbdev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=970&start=70
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1509360
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Why-exactly-is-Nvidia-AMD-ATI-in-PCSX2

Sketch
25-01-2013, 02:01 PM
Those are all ENB and other mods, compatibility isn't really ATI's fault. And Dark Souls. Which well yeah. If you want to post individual topics for problems with drivers you'll find plenty both.

Sakkura
25-01-2013, 02:06 PM
^^ Much of that is related to modding, so it's not unusual for things to break. You're going off the reservation by modding. It's most likely true that Nvidia provides better support in those cases though. At least my impression is that Nvidia are better at third-party support than AMD. Many gamers just won't ever notice that.

One post refers to Dark Souls, which performs poorly because it's a shitty port. Not really AMDs fault.

mashakos
25-01-2013, 02:10 PM
^^ Much of that is related to modding, so it's not unusual for things to break. You're going off the reservation by modding.

haven't had any issues since selling the crappy HD5870 :)

EDIT: You guys seem to think there is a secret nvidia cabal that sends stealth agents who secretly materialise in front of modders' houses to make their mods work better with nvidia? No, nvidia just makes better drivers that don't break on anything without a "AMD Gaming Evolved!!!" logo on it.

pakoito
25-01-2013, 02:45 PM
ENB and mod is a center pillar of my gaming experience so I'm sticking with nVidia ^^

Sketch
25-01-2013, 04:37 PM
For what it's worth I've used both Sikkmod and ENB and I've had a 5970 and 7970. It's so easy to find people who issues with Nvidia too, look:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nvidia+enb+problems&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=kLQCUduEBPOU0QW5tIHoAQ

Sakkura
25-01-2013, 05:06 PM
haven't had any issues since selling the crappy HD5870 :)

EDIT: You guys seem to think there is a secret nvidia cabal that sends stealth agents who secretly materialise in front of modders' houses to make their mods work better with nvidia? No, nvidia just makes better drivers that don't break on anything without a "AMD Gaming Evolved!!!" logo on it.
Nah, just better support via things like CUDA. Nvidia's drivers do break sometimes, just like AMDs.

alms
26-01-2013, 12:26 AM
I'm trying to finish my new build and I have the biggest of confusions with the GPU. I want to know firsthand what or how has AMD improved all his linux and incompatibility problems over the last years, or at least a reason why I should get a HD7970 over a GTX680 that's not price or marginally better performance. How's everyday gaming? Does it have problems with every other game like before? Can you Linux normally on them? How's the compatibility with Hackingtosh or Virtual Machines?

I haven't used Linux as a graphical desktop in recent times, so I can't really reply to your question, but I'm doing it anyway because I got this odd feeling most replies were only concerned with the Windows drivers. At worst, what follows will be outdated.

Last time I checked, AMD's proprietary drivers were much worse than nVidia's, an easily foreseeable consequence of the massive disparity in resources AMD has devoted to development, they used to be a few guys struggling to cover a massive number of different families and cards (in fact they've stopped supporting anything older than the HD5000 family)

Specifically, AMD was slow to update their drivers whenever significant changes were introduced in the X server or the kernel, and then the choice is either giving up on the proprietary drivers until they catch up (OSS drivers are not even remotely comparable in terms of 3D performance), or stop/avoid the upgrade. Mind you, this was more of a problem with some distributions, where in place upgrading is available.

The nVidia driver is not perfect either but they've got A LOT of manpower and it shows. If you're planning to make extensive use of Linux on a daily basis, nVidia is the obvious choice as far as I'm concerned. If OTOH you're just Linux curious, use it in a VM and don't bother about drivers and stuff.

As for Hackintoshes, AFAIK OS X only supports cards that have been sold in actual machines. I wouldn't waste time with it unless you have some very specific interest - and if you're asking chances are you don't.

mashakos
26-01-2013, 02:22 AM
Nah, just better support via things like CUDA. Nvidia's drivers do break sometimes, just like AMDs.

anything's possible eh?

mashakos
26-01-2013, 02:34 AM
For what it's worth I've used both Sikkmod and ENB and I've had a 5970 and 7970. It's so easy to find people who issues with Nvidia too, look:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nvidia+enb+problems&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=kLQCUduEBPOU0QW5tIHoAQ
the latest versions of enb work well with ati cards because the developer started focusing on writing workarounds for ati's many bugs. I think this started happening this past year. So if you've only ever been using a PC with mods since 2012, good for you - ati was the right choice!

Here is the point: as an nvidia user, I don't need to worry about this crap. Sure, the n00bs are going to post about "nvidia problems" but in this entire dx10/dx11 generation (2006 - present), nvidia has been simply stellar for me and many others with a bit of technical know how.

Sketch
26-01-2013, 03:19 AM
I've been using a PC with mods for ages and it's not mods that are the issue at all, there's always going to be some bug that crops up no matter what the card it's just the way it is. Initially I wouldn't be surprised if the ENB series started out as better on Nvidia because before it was really popular that's all he really coded for. Is it any surprise that ATI cards weren't catered for? This thread is about the state of the cards today and as of this moment the green and red are fairly even, even enough that I could safely go from the 5970 to the 7970 with no fear, but I was just as close to getting a 680 because they are both great buys.

I'm not sure the thinly veiled suggestion that Nvidia cards are for people with technical know how is particularly necessary either.

Moraven
26-01-2013, 03:20 AM
And as many of us posted, most of this discussion has no relevance to the original question. (guilty party also). It was about Linux, not if AMD or Nvidia is better, or about some random graphics mods that the minority of people buying GPUs would use.


How's everyday gaming? Does it have problems with every other game like before? Can you Linux normally on them? How's the compatibility with Hackingtosh or Virtual Machines?

So a general gaming question, Linux, OS X and VM.

1) both are competitive. AMD latest drivers have see some good improvments. Never had a problem with their cards for general gaming.

2) Never really done much graphically in Linux but the general notion is Nvidia has better support.

3) Can not answer.

4) Same

mashakos
26-01-2013, 04:00 AM
I've been using a PC with mods for ages and it's not mods that are the issue at all, there's always going to be some bug that crops up no matter what the card it's just the way it is.
strange how it's mostly ati cards that have bugs though isn't it?


This thread is about the state of the cards today and as of this moment the green and red are fairly even,
don't know what that means exactly. Even where driver stability or support is concerned? Features? Specs? Attention to detail?
Hey if you're strapped for cash ati is great, otherwise we're talking about overall quality and reliability here.


I'm not sure the thinly veiled suggestion that Nvidia cards are for people with technical know how is particularly necessary either.

it shouldn't be, but when you post a google results page which is the equivalent of "mah nvidia no workz" ....

Sketch
26-01-2013, 05:03 AM
No it's not strange, ENB works fine with ATI (mostly) but it was developed using Nvidia, of course it's going to be more stable in the early days. But we're not discussing then either. I've seen no real suggestion that one type of card is suffering more in the mods department. If it was, I'd jump ship as I have no loyalty to either brand.

I must be a right idiot if I went to ATI because I'm strapped for cash, because the 680's are cheaper. That doesn't matter though really. Drivers for ATI have recently been great and there's been no major issues that divide the two companies, which is my point. They're both appealing at the moment.

As for the link, I was just pointing out that if you look you can find someone having a problem with any configuration regardless of which GPU manufacturer your with. Some of your results were from 2010 even, all my google search was, was a condensed version of what you did. I'm not trying to convince anyone Nvidia isn't good, they are. But AMD are good too, and all evidence points to them staying that way.

Sakkura
26-01-2013, 04:59 PM
Sure, the n00bs are going to post about "nvidia problems" but in this entire dx10/dx11 generation (2006 - present), nvidia has been simply stellar for me and many others with a bit of technical know how.
Yes, it's been stellar for you and a lot of others. So has AMD/ATI. But there are also people for whom Nvidia (as well as AMD/ATI) has not been stellar. Nvidia's 196.75 driver (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/) ended up frying a number of graphics cards, for example.

Drivers are a giant pile of YMMV.

Lukasz
28-01-2013, 04:10 AM
My computer is literally and metaphorically falling apart. GPU on other hand works flawlessly. It's 4850. No trouble whatsoever. And I didn't have problems with 7600gt before.


i recall graphs from Microsoft I think in relation to problems windows detected. The split was pretty much half half if we took into account the market share of ati and nvidia.

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 06:55 AM
I'm trying to finish my new build and I have the biggest of confusions with the GPU. I want to know firsthand what or how has AMD improved all his linux and incompatibility problems over the last years, or at least a reason why I should get a HD7970 over a GTX680 that's not price or marginally better performance. How's everyday gaming? Does it have problems with every other game like before? Can you Linux normally on them? How's the compatibility with Hackingtosh or Virtual Machines?

Well, Linus Torvalds has raged in public about Nvidia, and he has not yet raged about AMD, so I geuss you are good to go with an AMD!
Myself, I have used AMD cards for the longest of times and never had any issues with drivers. However, their driver support has improved ever since last year, as they are no longer going for the "Bi-monthly" release model, but now for the "Roadmap & when it's done" release model. Drivers should be less of a problem, if they ever were for you.



don't know what that means exactly. Even where driver stability or support is concerned? Features? Specs? Attention to detail?
Hey if you're strapped for cash ati is great, otherwise we're talking about overall quality and reliability here.

We are talking about the exact same thing here. Ati/AMD cards are really good quality, and so are their drivers, these days.

DareM
29-01-2013, 09:27 AM
Some tech website will show AMD and NVidia products paired for each price slot. Point is: whatever your budget is, you cannot go wrong with either of the two. AMD and NVidia make best graphics cards these days and Intel is sniffing them from behind.

Vicious
29-01-2013, 11:46 AM
OP; head on over to Phoronix and their forums. From what I can tell, AMD has really upped its linux game over the past few years and is now comparable (if not superior) to Nvidia on Linux. I also know that the 7950 and the 680 were comparable on Linux so can only assume that the 7870 is therefore better than the 680.

Also, do ignore mashakos completely

Sakkura
29-01-2013, 12:29 PM
I wasn't impressed with the performance I was getting with my AMD card when I tried Linux out a few months ago.

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 01:43 PM
I wasn't impressed with the performance I was getting with my AMD card when I tried Linux out a few months ago.

Chances are you will not be impressed with the NVidia card either - but we NEED DATA.

Here (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_hd7950_gtx680&num=1) is (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_christmas_2012&num=4) data (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_gallium3d_christmas12&num=1).

Vicious
29-01-2013, 02:53 PM
I wasn't impressed with the performance I was getting with my AMD card when I tried Linux out a few months ago.
Unfortunately that's a feature of running Linux and you'll encounter the same with a Nvidia card.

mashakos
29-01-2013, 03:17 PM
My computer is literally and metaphorically falling apart. GPU on other hand works flawlessly. It's 4850. No trouble whatsoever. And I didn't have problems with 7600gt before.
ATI/AMD has stopped supporting your card for 3 years now I think. I remember a friend facing problems with his 4870x2 crossfire set up and finding out there were no new drivers for the card at the time.

So good thing the card still works for you, since you are basically on your own now!


We are talking about the exact same thing here. Ati/AMD cards are really good quality, and so are their drivers, these days.

out of curiosity, do the latest AMD drivers support hardware accelerated HD video? (known as DXVA) cause they didn't last time I checked. Good for them if they've managed to add that in 5 years after nvidia. ATI were great in 2002, I was their biggest fan, but they fluctuate way too frequently these past few years for my liking.

Sakkura
29-01-2013, 04:09 PM
Unfortunately that's a feature of running Linux and you'll encounter the same with a Nvidia card.
Yeah. I just had the impression that it was a little worse with AMD than Nvidia, but if the data show otherwise I'm not going to argue.


ATI/AMD has stopped supporting your card for 3 years now I think. I remember a friend facing problems with his 4870x2 crossfire set up and finding out there were no new drivers for the card at the time.

So good thing the card still works for you, since you are basically on your own now!
Latest available driver for the Radeon HD 4850 is 13.1. Named after January 2013. I'm willing to bet performance improvements are going to be extremely slim pickings, but that is to be expected with an old card. Nvidia would be no better in that respect.

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 05:03 PM
out of curiosity, do the latest AMD drivers support hardware accelerated HD video? (known as DXVA) cause they didn't last time I checked. Good for them if they've managed to add that in 5 years after nvidia. ATI were great in 2002, I was their biggest fan, but they fluctuate way too frequently these past few years for my liking.

Sigh... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Avivo). Honestly.

mashakos
29-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Sigh... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Avivo). Honestly.

oh look, a wikipedia article :)


ATI Avivo compatible GPUs have lower CPU usage when a player and decoder software that support ATI Avivo is used.

what the hell does avivo have to do with DXVA? DXVA is not a proprietary standard that you can only get with crappy players like Cyberlink DVD, it's pretty much a requirement if you want to run high bitrate H.264 video decently.

EDIT: ATI support existed for DXVA but was pretty patchy. I remembered my 5870 not being able to play my bluray rips with DXVA. Someone put out a workaround (best AMD support out there, users who got tricked into buying amd cards..) but by then I sold the blasted thing:
the issue(s):
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=89215

the workaround in case you amd users need it:
http://zachsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/ati-hd-hardware-accelerated-dxva-for.html

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 05:58 PM
oh look, a wikipedia article :)



what the hell does avivo have to do with DXVA? DXVA is not a proprietary standard that you can only get with crappy players like Cyberlink DVD, it's pretty much a requirement if you want to run high bitrate H.264 video decently.

I suggest you read on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder).

I also kind off like how the link you posted was a problem with the codecs the man used and not his video cards, as the problem persisted when the man in question switched to Nvidia.

deano2099
29-01-2013, 07:22 PM
strange how it's mostly ati cards that have bugs though isn't it?
Hey if you're strapped for cash ati is great, otherwise we're talking about overall quality and reliability here.


I dunno, surely if ATI cards are better value, but tend to have a few more driver bugs requiring workarounds, then ATI cards are the enthusiast card, while nVidia cards are for 'noobs' that lack either the knowledge or inclination to bother with that stuff. Alternatively they're both decent enough and there's no much difference.


ATI/AMD has stopped supporting your card for 3 years now I think. I remember a friend facing problems with his 4870x2 crossfire set up and finding out there were no new drivers for the card at the time.

So good thing the card still works for you, since you are basically on your own now!

So AMD stopped updating the drivers 3 years ago, and the OP still runs new games fine? That sounds like massively stable drivers to me. A good thing for sure.

I used nVidia cards for years, then got a 5850 yonks ago and haven't upgraded it until this week. Ended up going ATI again as was best price/performance in my range (7950) and the card worked great straight out of the box, only issue was not having the right power adaptors.

There's so very little in it these days that it makes little difference though.

mashakos
29-01-2013, 07:25 PM
I suggest you read on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder).

I also kind off like how the link you posted was a problem with the codecs the man used and not his video cards, as the problem persisted when the man in question switched to Nvidia.

The poster in that thread was able to run his videos just fine on nvidia but could not configure his card to output audio to an HDTV. I myself own a Philips 1080p LCD and know how to deal with this issue. DXVA on ati however was intrinsically broken on the driver level in 2010.

The other wikipedia article you are linking to describes UVD. Unlike you, I've actually tried to make it work with mkv's - rather than have it described to me from wikipedia! - and it was broken. The screen randomly flashing green, blocky artifacts everywhere, it was a mess. Since you can't experience (or haven't made the effort to try it out yourself) it here's a blog post for you:
http://zachsaw.blogspot.com/2009/08/watching-hd-video-in-mpc-hc-dxva-for.html

Sakkura
29-01-2013, 08:33 PM
Anyway, a HD 4350 used for hardware acceleration for video playback sure is relevant to the discussion of GTX 680 vs. HD 7970.

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 08:33 PM
The other wikipedia article you are linking to describes UVD. Unlike you, I've actually tried to make it work with mkv's - rather than have it described to me from wikipedia! - and it was broken. The screen randomly flashing green, blocky artifacts everywhere, it was a mess. Since you can't experience (or haven't made the effort to try it out yourself) it here's a blog post for you:.

Nulth of all: UVD IS, for all intents and purposes, DXVA.
First of all: four year old blog post.
Second of all: Edit in the blog post saying that it was fixed in an update.
Third of all: I do actually watch mkvs (doctor Who) with my ati card and it's video accelleration, and it works just fine for me.
fourth: What sakkura said.

mashakos
29-01-2013, 08:51 PM
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Nulth of all: UVD IS, for all intents and purposes, DXVA.
badly implemented dxva, right up until 2010 last time i checked


.
First of all: four year old blog post.
see above. Regardless, nvidia had dxva fully functional in 2006


Second of all: Edit in the blog post saying that it was fixed in an update.
brilliantly illustrates my original point, AMD is all about "waiting for driver improvements"


Third of all: I do actually watch mkvs (doctor Who) with my ati card and it's video accelleration, and it works just fine for me.
well good thing that at this moment amd have their shit together.


fourth: What sakkura said.it's completely relevant when a driver issue is related. It means that even with a high end AMD card the same problem will occur, as in my case with the 5870.

Grizzly
29-01-2013, 08:55 PM
well good thing that at this moment amd have their shit together.

Which is all that matters. Good day.

mashakos
29-01-2013, 09:08 PM
Which is all that matters. Good day.

maybe it does, but I don't like to go with a gpu company which constantly keeps having a string of bad years...
Radeon HD5870, so disappoint!

deano2099
29-01-2013, 09:32 PM
see above. Regardless, nvidia had dxva fully functional in 2006

Before anyone except enthusiasts were using it, and there was already a workaround you posted for them anyway.

Moraven
30-01-2013, 08:23 PM
String of bad years for features and options most people are never going to run into. Along with not being related to the OP.

For you, AMD has not been for you. For the OP and others, AMD does/would do well as would Nvidia.