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Oh my god, get in fucking line if you wanna kiss my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious
It's the difference between a great experience for a few and a pretty good experience for everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farcelet
I miss the halcyon days of LAN parties, too, but hell, I don't even have time for LAN parties anymore.
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Originally Posted by Finicky
That's contradictory. If all the CS players have gone back to CS and CSS (because numbers for those are back to pre-GO levels) then the people left playing CS:GO are entirely new players, the 'audience for a casual cs' that you say doesn't exist. Sure that audience may be a third of the size of the 1.6 audience, but it's still significant. And still more than a lot of games.Quote:
CS players have already gone back to cs and css , as numbers for both are back to exactly what they were at before GO was released.
Can't say I agree with 'few' here, in my experience most pings hover between 40 - 50ms, modems are a thing of the past and there usually ARE enough servers worldwide to suit most people's purposes, unless we're talking about obscure or old games still played by a minuscule bunch of hardcore fans - but then, those that come to mind don't employ lag compensation to begin with (Marathon, Counter-Strike beta 5.2 and 6.1 incidentally).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't help feeling that for the sake of a dramatically small proportion of the player base we're giving away the crispness of the experience - hell, maybe this is the reason people are so ragey in games nowdays? It's much easier to call 'bullshit' on the things we see when they don't correspond with reality, you know?
What's worse? Seeing your gun fire a round into the head of some bloke only for the hit never to register because your lower-ping-opponent uploaded his status first, or suffering a slight - but real - delay?
Everybody always assumes they speak for the silent majority. You argue against my "few" and yet insist on your dramatically small proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farcelet
That's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
In your experience what's the proportion of players with sub-50ms pings to those that linger over 100? Having played nothing but Mount & Blade Warband since I gave up on online gaming a decade ago I wouldn't know how things play out elsewhere but twenty to one is roughly my experience, surely if this is the case in the rest of the world we can accept that the term "few" isn't accurate, though "dramatically small proportion" might be a bit extreme.
However I was residing in Europe at the time and you're from the US. Maybe things are different?
Before the more modern versions of netcodes (where everything for me seems to hover around 90ms), I'd have to pick and choose hosts by city. That means I'd play against players mostly on server farms situated in DC or NYC, and sometimes from Chicago. By contrast, I'd have a relatively hard time playing against folks in the tech centers of Austin or San Fran or San Diego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farcelet
America's a big place. Europe, on the other hand,
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I think Europe and America's sq mileage are fairly similar, it must have been how distant the cities are that really affects it.
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Originally Posted by Nalano
Missed out like 60% of Europe.
Not even remotely accurate comparison for a start, Europe doesn't stop at Germany. And the map projection isn't one that preserves area. In fact Europe covers significantly more area than the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
America doesn't stop at Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by byteCrunch
Europe: 3,930,000 sq mi, with population centers around, well, the center*
America: 3,794,000 sq mi, with population centers around the periphery
*which is why adding Russia's and Scandinavia's vast space makes for a poor comparison
Again the map projection doesn't preserve area so its flat out inaccurate. And I didn't say the US stops at Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
Don't play that stupid game.Quote:
Originally Posted by byteCrunch
It's a thousand more miles between New York and Los Angeles as between Paris and Moscow.
Grew up playing CS from Alaska...yah GL playing on anything past the west coast. They have more underwater pipe now but the distance is still a huge factor. The days you would just LAN. With broadband we have its so much more convenient to just play online for a night.
I think I get 150-200ms playing on EU servers. Starcraft works fine, not quite the same as playing a FPS. Taiwan server is hit or miss.
However, that small area has 400 million people, which is more people then the entirety of the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by byteCrunch
People seem to keep forgetting broadband isn't even as widespread as you'd probably expect it to be in the U.S.
It costs upwards of $50 a month to get decent speeds. And where I live there are a grand total of two companies who offer it. Two.
Our communications network is FUBAR. Europeans have long surpassed us in this area and we're not even trying to catch up.
Those figures don't match up well with your map, son. They do match up decently with the figures I was able to find though. A glance at my globe also suggests that the US and Europe should be of similar sizes unless you include a third of more of Russia in which case Europe is naturally larger. It's hard to find good figures on how big Europe is because it's hard to find a reasonable definition of what Europe is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
Two isn't all that bad. There are neighborhoods near where I live that don't have a choice. I'm sure there are larger communities in more rural areas that don't have any choice, either. Yay for communications monopolies and price gouging!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooop
Is Europe better though? I don't know much about the cable networks of Europe. I would be surprised if European telecommunications networks were substantially better or cheaper in a way that wasn't roughly proportional to their increased population density. More people in a small area means more people served by similar amounts of laid cable. The US isn't very dense.
There are all of three half-decent overlay maps on Google image search, and that one names cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwathdring
Doesn't make it accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalano
You're kinda like the guy who has to get his pedantic point across long after everybody else has gone on to discuss something more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwathdring
It's all the more comedic when winning that detail doesn't change the point.