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    Sticky: Except no. Because in journalism, the more fair...

    Except no. Because in journalism, the more fair and balanced you want an article to be, the longer it takes. If you value your time, then it costs money.

    You could always just read the journalists...
  2. When was the last time they made a donation to...

    When was the last time they made a donation to feminist causes not related to a particular controversy and that didn't allow them to annoy someone they didn't like in the process?

    Jimmy Saville...
  3. But you can't deal with this sort of thing 'as a...

    But you can't deal with this sort of thing 'as a whole'. For all this shit storm, and attempts to paint this as questioning 'games journalism in general' it boils down to fewer than ten isolated...
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    Sticky: http://www.mollymaid.co.uk/why-choose-molly-maid/p...

    http://www.mollymaid.co.uk/why-choose-molly-maid/prices-with-molly-maid.aspx


    Oh look, the cleaner I want it, the more it costs.

    As it ever was.
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    Not true. It's not enough to say "this writer...

    Not true. It's not enough to say "this writer knows this person, and has written about them, so it's a conflict of interest and immediately suspect". You also have to be able to show that the article...
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    The SPJ code that you linked earlier is in the...

    The SPJ code that you linked earlier is in the middle of a long project to revise it:
    http://www.spj.org/ethicscode-revision.asp

    APSE guidelines for sports writers:...
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    Sticky: But then not again if you count the hours they...

    But then not again if you count the hours they actually work. Note: you have to count the time spent playing a game for review, as well as writing it. A big 80-hour RPG is two 9-6 working weeks...
  8. Well we could. People like me, and John Walker,...

    Well we could. People like me, and John Walker, and everyone who told these people they wrong, we could have ignored them. 4chan would have engaged in some mutual masturbation over it for a few days,...
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    There is no broadly accepted set of ethical...

    There is no broadly accepted set of ethical rules, Tony, it's widely debated still. The ethical guidelines for sports journalists differ loads from news journalists for example. Which set should I...
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    Anyone interested in the questions of ethics...

    Anyone interested in the questions of ethics facing journalists in the digital age that hasn't already made their minds up, might be interested in the University of Wisconsin's research into the main...
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    Don't you live in the UK? Because our national...

    Don't you live in the UK? Because our national press, John, is far, far more conflicted and unethical than games journalism, so I'm not sure where you're picking up those connotations about...
  12. I agree. At this point you're attacking me over...

    I agree. At this point you're attacking me over things we agree on, have I unknowingly fucked your mum or something? I included the accusation when paraphrasing Rab's article because he implied just...
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    Did anyone accused sign up to those principles?...

    Did anyone accused sign up to those principles? You're putting stuff on people just because they use a word to describe themselves.

    Because games don't matter. They're not an exception though....
  14. Because they're friends and as long as the two of...

    Because they're friends and as long as the two of them are okay with it, it's fine. And plenty of feminists are trying to reclaim the world slut.



    Yeah sorry I used shorthand but he stepped...
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    Not really. I've seen three ethical codes posted....

    Not really. I've seen three ethical codes posted. One was Reuters, which is a news agency so will have tougher guidelines. The other two were for voluntary unions. I'd put money on most games writers...
  16. Quite the opposite, I'm saying you're complaining...

    Quite the opposite, I'm saying you're complaining about the fact people want to be silent. The right to say something and the right to not say something are the same thing.


    No, I'm saying if you...
  17. That's not exactly what I said. You said you had...

    That's not exactly what I said. You said you had "the right to talk about things as and I you see fit."





    But you want journalists to respond to you right now. Not in a month, because you...
  18. Really - I'm aware I left some dots for you to...

    Really - I'm aware I left some dots for you to join up there but... really?

    "I want the games media to talk with me about this NOW!"
    "Well you could just wait a month until it dies down a bit and...
  19. And the author who wrote the article lost his...

    And the author who wrote the article lost his regular freelance commission and Eurogamer edited the article after claims of defamation that the editor found credible.

    Much as I don't like how...
  20. And yet, we're talking. And there are threads on...

    And yet, we're talking. And there are threads on the Escapist, Kotaku and elsewhere. Some stuff was shut down originally because it wasn't discussing the 'wider issues' but was focusing on someone's...
  21. But this is about the gaming press! There's one...

    But this is about the gaming press! There's one type of press that absolutely isn't suited for reporting on this matter. Can you guess which? It starts with 'G' and ends with 'aming press'.

    We're...
  22. Yes you are. Shame you're not willing to extend...

    Yes you are. Shame you're not willing to extend that freedom to other people isn't it? Another case of one rule for you and one for the people you're angry with?


    A media blackout? Really? There...
  23. But is it really so important to you that you...

    But is it really so important to you that you need to talk about with them right now? Is it going to cause huge issues in your life if you wait a month for the nutters to go away and come back to it...
  24. Oh sure. But it's like seeing a guy killing...

    Oh sure. But it's like seeing a guy killing someone and then dropping litter on the floor, then having a go at him for being a filthy litterer.

    Part of the argument is "we're not saying games...
  25. There's a simple reason he can do that too. We...

    There's a simple reason he can do that too. We are not the customer. We are the product, being sold to the advertisers, their actual customer.

    It puts it all in perspective for me really. We're...
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