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    Personally I think putting it back is much...

    Personally I think putting it back is much harder.

    (by way of example, my brain has succeeded in crawling half way out of my left ear already)
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    I'm with Ursula Le Guin's "the ones who walk away...

    I'm with Ursula Le Guin's "the ones who walk away from Omelas" on this particular point.
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    There used to be a strange censorship law in the...

    There used to be a strange censorship law in the UK that you weren't allowed to hear members of Sinn Feinn speak, so Gerry Adams was always dubbed by an actor when interviewed on TV. This led to a...
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    I agree. I actually mentioned the concentration...

    I agree. I actually mentioned the concentration camp guards more from the point of view that I'm not comfortable with hounding somebody for the rest of their life for something they did when they...
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    There was that scandal a few weeks ago about...

    There was that scandal a few weeks ago about concentration camp guards getting paid benefits by the USA, wasn't there?

    The right of bigots to earn money is one of those things which is so general...
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    Get an editor, and stop it with the swearing and...

    Get an editor, and stop it with the swearing and personal comments.
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    If you're ugly, don't blame the person holding...

    If you're ugly, don't blame the person holding the mirror.
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    Whenever I see it, it means "I don't like...

    Whenever I see it, it means "I don't like something but I'm going to say it in the passive case to avoid clarifying what I actually mean, and to make it seem as though I'm objectively right, no...
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    What does "own" actually mean, in this context? ...

    What does "own" actually mean, in this context? I think there are signs that they acknowledge the inherent grubbiness of the whole thing - like the dialogue in those interactions being grotesquely...
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    Yes, it really is, in a sandbox game. Which is...

    Yes, it really is, in a sandbox game. Which is what I was talking about.
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    From my point of view I wouldn't ban them unless...

    From my point of view I wouldn't ban them unless the violence was specifically intended to cultivate, well, hatred. I'm kind of okay with catharsis as well.

    My argument is more along the lines...
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    I submit that it's possible to comment on...

    I submit that it's possible to comment on violence without either endorsing it, or preaching about it. Giving the player the choice is important.
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    If you can get through the whole of Hatred...

    If you can get through the whole of Hatred without ever firing a shot, I'll confess I was wrong. Otherwise Postal does still have at least a fig-leaf in comparison.
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    Hotline Miami doesn't glorify violence, unless...

    Hotline Miami doesn't glorify violence, unless the player has totally missed the point. The music stopping at the end of each spree is clearly supposed to show that the protagonist is badly messed...
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    When it gets repeatedly brought up despite not...

    When it gets repeatedly brought up despite not being applicable to the discussion at hand?
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    I think it's salient to point out that Target...

    I think it's salient to point out that Target Australia will happily sell you boxed set DVDs of Criminal Minds, a show which consists of 70% violence against women and 29.9995% sexualised violence...
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    I think you might well be right, we do seem to be...

    I think you might well be right, we do seem to be getting ourselves pretty tangled.
    1) I don't think harm has ever been proven, which I think is our fundamental dissonance with that part of the...
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    gwathdring and I were having a convoluted...

    gwathdring and I were having a convoluted argument which I confess I was having some trouble with, wherein I was under the impression that they were asking me how, if I felt that it was unreasonable...
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    You're having your own argument with yourself...

    You're having your own argument with yourself there; I was discussing a different point, which you've 'chosen to ignore'

    Congratulations on winning against yourself, I guess?
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    You said I was staggeringly naive, which I do...

    You said I was staggeringly naive, which I do think was a rather supercilious way of putting it, so I thought I'd try working through your argument to it's conclusion; which is that you think it's...
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    That's an easy argument to turn on its head: what...

    That's an easy argument to turn on its head: what justification do you offer as to why you should be somehow entitled to stop them?
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    I think that's unfair on two separate counts -...

    I think that's unfair on two separate counts
    - saying 'you continually say stuff that's inconsistent' without making a clear attempt to say what is inconsistent, or why it is, in your view,...
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    Grow a spine you pathetic creep.

    Grow a spine you pathetic creep.
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    To put it in gaming terms, this was griefing:...

    To put it in gaming terms, this was griefing: somebody gamed the system to make somebody else's life that little bit less pleasant, to the benefit of nobody. Screw griefers.
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    Being super-pedantic, I guess in that situation...

    Being super-pedantic, I guess in that situation you'd need to establish that the petioners shop at Target themselves. I still don't buy the "just shop anywhere else" argument though. I don't see...
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