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I don't, because that's simply not true.

There are certainly single-player games that stand entirely on the strength of their mechanics. If by "pick apart" you mean all games can quickly be...

This should be true, but I've played plenty of ports with the mouse input fucked up so badly I might as well be using a gamepad.

Surely it's more that they play them like games, and as games (in the narrow sense) MMOs tend to be shithouse. You said yourself that "MMOs are forum communities with GUIs"; is it really a shock that...

Definitely not for me, and I agree that it's a pretty disturbing trend. (Have a big bottle of sugar and caffeine, for an XTREME NRG BOOZT while you sit on your bum for hours.) But I can understand...

I won't have a whole lot of gaming time until next week or so, but the other day I did manage to play the first mission of Thief Gold. I'm not yet hooked, but I think I already have some...

You guys are scaring me a little with all this talk of 'patience'. These games at least have strafe-jumping and a rocket launcher, right?



But seriously folks, thanks for the help. I think I've...

Fair points, but I'm a bit of a curmudgeon when it comes to modern gaming (not all of it of course, but say the trendline followed by big-budget 3D games), so I won't really be holding the Thiefs up...

Thanks guys! Pity you couldn't all agree and make my decision easy (:p), but the discussion was helpful too. Looks like I'll play them in order, allowing myself to skip 1 if I really can't stand the...

I've heard that Thief 1 is excellent, and should be played before Thief 2 for plot reasons. I've also heard that Thief 2 stands on its own as a 'refinement' of Thief 1, with fewer annoying bits (and...

After turning off smoothing and acceleration, is the mouse still dodgy? A lot of modern games have pretty bad input lag, which I think tends to be a certain number of frames -- so at a low framerate...

I get where you're coming from, Sheshy. Bad mouse input alone can kill a game for me. It's not a matter of principle, of deciding not to like the game because it doesn't meet my checklist. I just...

Quake Live fits the bill.

If you're not familiar with it, it's basically an updated/modified version of Q3, with a browser-based frontend. No weapon unlocks, experience points, any of that...

Can you explain this?

Nonono. A well-designed Quake map does exactly the opposite. The items are laid out in such a way that you need to move around the map and control different areas at different times. In fact, the...

Says you! I would take this any day over the super-polished hollow bullshit we usually get.

Don't feed the troll.

They were fun. 8-)

Seriously, I don't think there's much point trying to argue a point here. I won't convince anyone else to enjoy them, and nobody will convince me that I didn't, and I don't...

I liked the platforming bits in Half-Life.

Just wanted to chime in, because "first-person platforming sucks" seems to have become almost a truism. (Tell ithat to the defrag community.)

Sure. I didn't share that level of excitement either.

I guess it's understandable though: HL was both mainstream-popular and loved like a cult favourite. Think about the number of people who will...

Ah, when talking about hardware and performance, I should have added that I haven't gone far into the game. So as LTK pointed out, things will probably get shakier later on.

Because people want to play Half-Life + nicer graphics + a bit of novelty value. Do you really not understand, or are you just saying you personally don't have that desire?



I'm playing it on a...

I would give it a go. My computer is old and rubbish, and it runs okay for me. (Playable at 1680x1050 with 90 fov and default video settings, which I think in most cases means 'high'.)

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All true! (Though if this is what the other posters meant, they didn't make it clear.) It's especially complicated when you have to take into account that some moves are non-trivial to execute, so...

You've either been skimming/ignoring my posts, or you are taking a very round-about route to tell me that you think the definition I offered (twice) is inadequate. If the latter, please just be...

I honestly can't tell if you're joking!