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    I don't think you can appropriate from a...

    I don't think you can appropriate from a non-existent society. Some elements of that society's extinct culture have been co-opted into existing cultures through nationalism and ethnic identity but...
  2. [QUOTE=deano2099;563695]It's more that I'm...

    [QUOTE=deano2099;563695]It's more that I'm conceding the war on it. You're right that 'gamers' should not mean more than 'people who play games'. But it does, and those connotations are now quite...
  3. Sure. I figured; I wasn't responding to the topic...

    Sure. I figured; I wasn't responding to the topic but the couple of posts above mine. Should have quoted or something I guess. :)
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    I can't stand the "you can't have things both...

    I can't stand the "you can't have things both ways" phrase either. You're assuming a situation we're still clarifying a) has two ways b) is only being discussed in terms of two ways c) cannot be...
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    Divides will always exist in one form another. We...

    Divides will always exist in one form another. We may as well attempt to make that as painless as possible rather than just say it's all bullshit.

    I mean ... the racist structures already exist....
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    I would clarify that "normalized as a thing for...

    I would clarify that "normalized as a thing for most people to do as part of white culture" doesn't need to be limited in application to the performance of the music. Consumption of certain kinds of...
  7. Refunds are a bit weird in the context of...

    Refunds are a bit weird in the context of software; those are some interesting points.

    However, I would maintain that if the user is unable to use the product and tech support can't help them ......
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    I don't follow his personal life. I think I left...

    I don't follow his personal life. I think I left plenty of room in my logic for him not to be, so whether or not I answer yes or no doesn't really change what I'm getting at, does it?

    I'm not...
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    You make a reasonable point, Tei. But people...

    You make a reasonable point, Tei. But people aren't rational and this isn't exactly about ownership. It's about responsible behavior given friction between various cultures.

    It's about understand...
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    Conviction and resolved conviction are different...

    Conviction and resolved conviction are different things. This is fuzzy territory and hypocrisy is a very rigid logical concept. It's about rational behavior; people aren't rational. Showing...
  11. I have seen more bemoaning extremism in this...

    I have seen more bemoaning extremism in this thread than middle-ground discussion, for what it's worth.
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    Well, there's a strong conception that such is...

    Well, there's a strong conception that such is the case. That conception is not true though. It results from the radically successful experiment of Nationalism. It's a highly effective illusion....
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    I agree with people who have maligned the use of...

    I agree with people who have maligned the use of cultural appropriation concepts in the article (in particular heliocentric's analysis of it as itself a form of racism though I would further qualify...
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    Very well put. :)

    Very well put. :)
  15. Much agreed. Sorry, but my identity is...

    Much agreed.




    Sorry, but my identity is mine. I'm a gamer.

    Further, I do identify very strongly as someone who finds listening to music critically to be fulfilling and important. It's a...
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    Games, at the absolute minimum, spread gaming...

    Games, at the absolute minimum, spread gaming culture. Culture is just ideas and themes and such. Ways of thought Some hierarchies for good measure. Games make those things. We can see it happen....
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    Dude, I didn't say that; you're misquoting me...

    Dude, I didn't say that; you're misquoting me instead of Lethe. Could you fix that please?
  18. I'm a gamer. :) My interests both recreational...

    I'm a gamer. :)

    My interests both recreational and creative are largely centered on games of all sorts--puzzles, board games, card games, role playing games, LARP games, video games.

    Also...
  19. Which contradicts the statements of the angry...

    Which contradicts the statements of the angry ex-boyfriend who started all of this in the first place. Reliable sources all around!

    Can we not talk about this aspect of the matter? It's personal...
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    You said yourself a paragraph ago "not...

    You said yourself a paragraph ago "not necessarily a conscious planned thing." That doesn't mesh with the conceptual framework of a "smear campaign" to me. It fits more with the language of...
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    I think that's the key. He's considered one of...

    I think that's the key. He's considered one of the greatest film-makers out there. That isn't what normally happens when you censor a film-maker. More in a moment.



    I think it's important to...
  22. Most interesting, but I suppose more interesting...

    Most interesting, but I suppose more interesting further along in the process than we yet are. Something I'll keep an eye on, at least.
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    Absolutely. Indeed the tragedy of switching...

    Absolutely.

    Indeed the tragedy of switching the focus to Sarkeesian herself is, for her opponents, a great triumph. They want to shift the discussion. Getting involved even in that shifted...
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    I thought it was quite appropriate. Not sure why...

    I thought it was quite appropriate. Not sure why you're annoyed. :\
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    I don't think that's what's wrong with her...

    I don't think that's what's wrong with her videos.



    I agree with this, however I think it's important to understand that her celebrity comes from her opposition rather than from her support ......
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