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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkura View Post
    Found a review for the x1900xtx where it ran Oblivion at max settings just fine.
    the review that states a minimum framerate of 15fps is just fine? wah?

    I was running oblivion with a minimum framerate of 50fps back then on an 8800gtx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris View Post
    Actually, the X1900XTX is above the recommended spec for Witcher. Above. Recommended.

    The 9800Pro on an Athlon64 is the minimum spec and should also run.
    and the requirements on the box are always accurate of course. thanks.

    I remember capcom stating that Devil May Cry 3 would run on a Pentium II on their min. requirements thingie. Very accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    the review that states a minimum framerate of 15fps is just fine? wah?

    I was running oblivion with a minimum framerate of 50fps back then on an 8800gtx.
    Minimum framerates aren't representative, mainly because scene loading usually incurs a short framerate drop. In any case, this was at MAXIMUM settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkura View Post
    Minimum framerates aren't representative, mainly because scene loading usually incurs a short framerate drop. In any case, this was at MAXIMUM settings.
    still terible performance, I was getting 50fps minimum with all the "scene loading"

    the 1900xtx came out in 2006, my analogy was that hardware before 2006 would be obsolete (even if the x1900xtx was dead in the water with the release of geforce 8 series). What did ati and nvidia release in 2005?

    geforce 7800 GT, 21fps average
    radeon X1800, 23.3fps average
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/1996/4

    that's on a resolution of 1280x1024, basically an android smartphone's screen resolution. Keep in mind that things got considerably more complex than oblivion from 2007 onwards.
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    1280x1024 was a typical or above-average gaming resolution in 2006. Even today, 1280x1024 and equivalent or lower resolutions make up about half of the computers registered in the Steam hardware survey.

    So you could play Oblivion on MAXIMUM settings at a good resolution with the x1900xtx. With older cards you could surely have run it at lower settings. Anandtech confirms that by testing older cards at high settings. Lower settings would clearly have been playable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    and the requirements on the box are always accurate of course. thanks.

    I remember capcom stating that Devil May Cry 3 would run on a Pentium II on their min. requirements thingie. Very accurate.
    You claimed they can not run. I pointed a game that obviously does run. So have others. You were wrong. Why can't you accept that instead of trying to weasel out?

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    This thread went a bit mental but anyone kind enough to read my OP, I'm still open to suggestions. Cheers, be happy!

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    It references 155 pounds. Is that the budget? It's really hard to shop for computer parts if you don't know how much someone is willing to spend.

    (I'm assuming you're just shopping for CPU, mobo and RAM)

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    Yea I was looking at a low spend, so sub 200 or thereabouts, or any ideas are welcome. And yes, just CPU mobo and RAM.

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    Might be able to squeeze in an FX-6300 then, though with the current spike in RAM prices it'll necessitate a pretty cheap motherboard.

    Say an FX-6300 for 106, some Patriot DDR3-1866 for 40 (because I couldn't seem to find DDR3-1600 that was much cheaper and didn't have 1-2 months shipping), and a Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 for 52.

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    Not bad, thanks for the suggestions.

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    Hmm. If you are going sub 200 pounds, would it perhaps be an option to get an Intell i3 processor, and immeaditely upgrade your motherboard to DDR3 and get 8 gigs of that? I think you are still below 200 pounds when you do that, and the i3 is reasonbly future-proof (Hyper threading works almost as well as a full quad core these days, as tom's hardwares Far Cry 3 benchmarks show).

    However, I would personally recommend that you go over the 200 pound budget and get an i5-3470. It will cost you... roughly 40-50 pounds more I think.
    The reasoning behind this is, is simple: Currently, Intell's newer generations are only slightly faster then the generations that preceeded it, and even my Q6600+DDR2 still holds it's own in all the games. The thing is: By the time you need to upgrade your processor, you will need to upgrade your motherboard and ram as well, since by the time it happens, technology will have moved on and getting more ram for your current mobo or a better processor for your current mobo wil be terribly hard (Which is basically what is happening to you right now - DDR3 is already out and stuff). A full upgrade will net you more performance per buck in those cases.

    Since the i5-3470 meets Intell's flagship I7-3960x in game-performance in every game except Crysis 3 (where it lags only slightly behind), it has stellar price-performance capabilities - and it will probably last a very very very long while before that one needs upgrading. I recommend that you then pick a cheaper graphics card - in my experience, those need to be replaced a bit faster, and graphics can be scaled down. The amount of CPU power your game needs usually can not.

    EDIT2: This looks like a very good deal. The P variant indicates that the onboard graphics chip has been removed (which you will not be using anyway), and the 2nd generation i5 is not slower then the 3rd generation, it just draws more energy. For 225 pounds, this is an AWESOME deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    EDIT2: This looks like a very good deal. The P variant indicates that the onboard graphics chip has been removed (which you will not be using anyway), and the 2nd generation i5 is not slower then the 3rd generation, it just draws more energy. For 225 pounds, this is an AWESOME deal.
    The 2nd generation Core i5 actually is slower than the 3rd generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkura View Post
    The 2nd generation Core i5 actually is slower than the 3rd generation.
    It is? I thought the difference hardly mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    It is? I thought the difference hardly mattered.
    Well it's only about 5%, so it's definitely not the end of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris View Post
    You claimed they can not run. I pointed a game that obviously does run. So have others. You were wrong. Why can't you accept that instead of trying to weasel out?
    not to derail this thread any further but show me a video of The Witcher running at 60fps on an ati X1900XTX. I clearly remember that game running in the low to mid 20's at sub 1600x1200 resolutions, and that's when the card was only one year old. Like I said before: a high end, $650 dx9 card that became obsolete due to inferior technology. I remember because I had a choice between that card and the 8800gtx - which can run AAA titles to this day.
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    60 FPS is not a necessity. And 1600x1200 was a high-end resolution at the time, like 2560x1440 is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    not to derail this thread any further but I'm going to continue doing just that.
    That's better.

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    I wouldn't use AMD and would stick with ASRock in any case (they're cheap and reliable).

    In the US a Core i3 3220 is $130, an ASRock H77M motherboard is $70, and a 2x4 GB RAM kit from a reputable outfit is ~$50. That's about 160 pounds, and you ought to be able to get at least some of that at a sale price or with a package discount or whatever. Not quite sure how your taxes figure into that, though.

    ASRock's H77 Pro4-M is like $10 more and has two more RAM slots, but if your PC use isn't particularly memory-intensive you won't need to upgrade that in the foreseeable future anyway (and ftm a 2x8 GB RAM kit is just ~$100).

    I haven't been putting AMD CPUs in general use or gaming PCs for the last few years because Intel tends to dominate single-threaded performance at most price brackets and their processors are appreciably less power-hungry (for instance, the 4170 has a 125 W TDP whereas the 3220's is 55 watts).

    If you can, keep what you have left for a mid-range GPU upgrade in the near future; you'll be quite significantly GPU-bottlenecked if you're using a 1080p screen...
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    Might be a problem if the OP is in uk. ;) Prices or availability do not translate.

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