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24-03-2013, 11:45 AM #1
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Millionaire Using Kickstarter to Send Her Daughter to RPG Camp
Susan Wilson, one of the “Most Powerful Women Entrepreneurs” according to CNN, is using Kickstarter to raise money for her 9 year old daughter’s schooling. The goal is $829, but Kickstarter users have pledged over $21,000. This is borderline abuse of the Kickstarter system and the whole kicktstart makes use of the current rise of gender issues in video gaming, ‘Men VS. Women’ to populate it self .
The Kickstarter has made a ridiculous amount of money and it’s still racking in some. Luckily nobody has backed using $10,000 pledge *shudders* yet.
Pledge $10,000 or more
ROCK STAR REWARD LEVEL: At this level, you get everything from the previous levels plus a personal apology from her brothers and the satisfaction of knowing that you’ve not only started a career, you’ve also helped to fund future courses in computer programming for her along with more (and better) games!
Limited (5 of 5 remaining)
Estimated delivery: Jul 2013
Looking at the comments section of the Kickstarter, its clear backers are in favor of what Susan is doing – effectively taking advantage of them.
I hope Kickstarter looks into this and does something about it. While not clearly going against the rules, something as trite as a personal goal of sorts should be looked into, especially if it’s run by a millionaire. It’s pretty much the same thing as a somebody else asking for a $1000 for a new camera, or computer they need – it should not be done.
Also, inb4 "omfg R-F y u against women in programming".
Big summary on this:
this is a hell of a lot shadier then it seems.
1) She has her own female only crowd funding website so why is she using kickstarter?
2) She has tried scamming kickstarter with a previous "project" which is pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever seen. She was asking for $20k . And I still haven't figured out what the "project" is about. Something about wearing towels as capes?
Here's a link to it http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...e-cape-project
Nonsense regarding the failed Kickstarter scam
Who hasn't wished they could fly? CUSTOM SUPERHERO CAPES! Personalized. Exquisitely crafted. Handmade by U.S. veteran family business.
Our capes aren't quite bulletproof or indestructible, but they do withstand the harshest, unimaginative, closed minds on earth. No, your personalized cape won't allow you to jump tall buildings nor will it give you night vision. But it will allow you to defeat boring days and capture the imagination inside you. And what's more powerful than that?
3) She's breaking the Kickstarter Spamming rule
Rule in question: http://i.imgur.com/yefoxge.png
Evidence of Spam: http://i.imgur.com/b4l2fI2.png
She's spamming celebrities like Lady Gaga & The Ellen DeGeneres show. Why is she spamming celebrities and popular media just to raise $829?
3a) Also evidence of breach of the "Fund my life" rule being broken:
4) As stated by the O.P she's exploiting gender issues (feminism) such as the debate on women in STEM fields. She keeps referring to the RPG training camp as RPG STEM training camp. (Clearly milking the buzzword STEM)
More exploitation of gender issues:
5) The company that is running the RPG training camp, has an article on this Kickstarter. (Only trying to raise $829??)
6) If she only wanted to raise $829, why is she offering rewards for donating $10k ??
7) Portraying her sons as mean oppressors and throwing them under the bus to make a quick buck (Appeal to misandry)
8) Evidence of her questionable business ethics (Cybersquatting)
9) Relevant articles from her blog, she seems to think mixing gender issues with crowd funding is a good way to make money, which explains her kickstarter, exploiting her children & gender issues.
She's a scumbag, clearly has no ethics, is a cyber suqatter and a spammer, exploits her children, exploits gender issues & appeals to misandry to make a few bucks.
Articles in the media about this, they obviously just printed the press release she gave them, without doing any investigating.
Last edited by R-F; 24-03-2013 at 06:19 PM.
24-03-2013, 11:55 AM #2
Hah, I thought it was going to be some kind terrorist rocket-propelled grenade launcher camp.
Also, yeah that is disgusting, fuck that bitch.
24-03-2013, 12:06 PM #3
Oh myyy. That is absolutely repulsive. Has no one made a complaint yet?
24-03-2013, 12:17 PM #4
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24-03-2013, 12:42 PM #5
While it probably isn't the sort of thing that should be on Kickstarter (should probably just be a Geocities style page with a Paypal donate button or whatever!), I don't think I've got my cynical hat on with this one. I can totally see a kid thinking it's a fun idea to try and make a Kickstarter style thing and while there's certainly in the written bit of the pitch of the mother pushes through her views in not the best way, the overall air of the thing to me seems to be mostly an enthusiastic kid with no real expectation of actually raising any money.
I reckon the mother probably wasn't expecting to raise the money (and perhaps mother was intending on putting in the necessary funding via herself, friends and relatives etc) and y'know that's kind of a neat thing to do. Obviously, I agree, not what Kickstarter is for and she probably should have just set up her own donation site if that was her intention. Plus putting a $10,000 dollar tier there is somewhat ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm not going to be too quick to judge, my opinion on how cynical the project is would probably depend on what they do with the excess money. If they spend it all on luxury items then sure, hand me a pitchfork and I'll join the mob; but for now I reckon it's just a cute idea that for some reason or other got bigger than it should have. Would certainly never donate to something like that myself but I don't think it's something that the wider public would ever have expected to be aware of anyway.
Edit: Just to be absolutely clear, I don't think this sort of thing should be on Kickstarter. Regardless of whether this project is a money grab or not; it could too easily be. Kickstarter has a duty to weed out the sort of things that could all too easily be abused and this is one of them.
Edit 2: Ugh, yeah, just reread that and realised that the $10,000 dollar tier was intended for some nebulous goal of further education, which suggests that, rather than just paying for the camp and a laptop and giving the rest of the money to charity or whatever, she is essentially using the excess money to fund her daughter's education. In which case she can fuck right off.
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24-03-2013, 12:42 PM #6
Well to be fair it's dressed as backing for a 9 year old girl to make a game and part of a campaign to get girls into gaming. Saying that the update supposedly posted by the girl does read a little dubious, as does the constant demonising of her sons. There is a claimed video update coming to prove they all exist, we'll see.
24-03-2013, 12:50 PM #7
24-03-2013, 01:05 PM #8
Maybe this would be good if it was making say a school for all girls and people to learn programming since yeah schools at the moment are only slowly starting to do that but just for one girl hell no. But saying that I agree if you are reading it and accept that its just for this girl and still giving money, the shame is on you not the person saying give me the money.
24-03-2013, 01:29 PM #9
24-03-2013, 01:30 PM #10
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Comment on Destructoid:
"The daughter of a Harvard grad, who owns her own crowdfunding company, needs $800 to send her daughter to a camp that they have already processed the order for? I won't even take into account the "sugar daddy" mention on the kickstarter video, or the pictures on her Facebook bragging about her $1500 shoes, snapping shots with Warren Buffet and in nice hotel suits talking about rich boy toys or getting ahold of wallets. I also really don't care that charities are against the Kickstarter TOS."
Last edited by R-F; 24-03-2013 at 01:37 PM.
24-03-2013, 01:44 PM #11
24-03-2013, 01:48 PM #12How about a school for people to learn programming in order to ease in the next generation of coders with mixed gender classes so that gender roles break down?
You can't force mixed gender roles if a lot more men want to program more then woman then your going to get more men in your class simple as, sure it would be good if that wasn't the case and we could tackle why that happens. But forceing women into these things when they don't want to is not going to be a good idea.
24-03-2013, 02:02 PM #13
Someone should shoot a RPG into her bedroom.
Just joking, of course.
24-03-2013, 02:25 PM #14Why yes you're right I'm deliciously evil
Tradition is the tyranny of dead men
Steam:Kadayi Origin: Kadayi GFWL: Kadayi
*blush* I'm flattered by the attention boys, but please let's not make the thread about liddle old me
Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes....
24-03-2013, 02:58 PM #15
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Maybe the fact someone who definitely doesn't need the money is exploiting a touchy subject on a crowdfunding site to make a quick couple of grand?
Maybe the fact the project breaks at least two of Kickstarter's rules?
Maybe the fact that it's a millionaire misrepresenting herself and acting like she needs money to help her child do anything?
But, no, Mr Contrary himself will be here like "I dun no wat dat issue is. is not liek u need 2 gief money lol".
It's called educating people, Kadayi. It's called telling people the truth. It's fucking called journalism, and you're on a gaming journalism site's forum.
Last edited by R-F; 24-03-2013 at 03:10 PM.
24-03-2013, 02:59 PM #16
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Don't think it directly violates/contradicts Kickstarter's principles - more of a case of it being a completely different thing. So Kickstarter could take it down, which is fine, but i don't understand why everybody else is so pissed off.
24-03-2013, 03:02 PM #17
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24-03-2013, 03:13 PM #18
.... thats not education, thats you hating things again. theres been like a thousand sources on this already, I doubt it hasnt been reported already. and like kad says, noone is forced to do anything. I seriously dont see the point of mentioning it, or of this thread other than to start some kind of hatred fanclub.
note: this is normally the part where I tell you to be excellent because all is well and I love you no matter what. but I honestly dont. everytime you post here its purely being an arse to everyone that dares to counter whatever you say. I seriously wish you would either stay away or stop being paranoid.
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24-03-2013, 03:21 PM #19
The worst thing she's trying to send her daughter there in advance. Forget taking Holland's test. Apparently everyone can become a programmer or a competent game developer if s/he wants to. In fact, InXile should replace Chris Avellone stretch goal with Kenzie.
I don't have anything against people funding such thing in general, but on Kickstarter ? Eww. 26 days left, I hope this gets shot down.pass
24-03-2013, 03:22 PM #20