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Thread: North Korea Vs USA & South Korea
07-04-2013, 10:24 AM #21
I would say it is I'm sorry but we've had 50 years of trying to be peaceful to this crazy nation and yet they still shout at us. Also I feel bad for the people we go into Iraq to topple a dictator why not North Korea.
07-04-2013, 10:40 AM #22
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Them shouting at you isn't really enough reason for thousands of people to die.
Of course, if you live in south korea or japan, or you are planning to be in the army that fights in the war then that's another matter. But it's easier to consider wars that happen half way around the world and don't involve us.
07-04-2013, 11:06 AM #23
Westerners need to realize that we are under real threat. NK is currently deploying nuclear missiles with range over my home and workplace!! Yes I ask for war, but I have my justification. First thing first, NK has issued OFFICIAL DECLARATION OF WAR. It is no longer a war crime to bomb them hell out!
I want to be at peace and even friendly with everyone, but there are just some people you cannot reason with. Koreans (I mean ALL Koreans, be them from North or South) are greedy, arrogant and dangerously ambitious in a way you westerners would not understand.
Of course I don't speak for other Chinese. As I know my government for one is working its best to cool things down. 21st century of Chamberlain appeasement.
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07-04-2013, 11:20 AM #24
I don't know enough about South Korea to really comment on their possible courses of action, but it's an interesting thought!
1) no connection between Iraq and al-Qaida and 2) no proof Iraq still had biochemical or nuclear weapons.
Last edited by Tritagonist; 07-04-2013 at 11:26 AM."He has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
07-04-2013, 11:42 AM #25
07-04-2013, 12:08 PM #26
As for the missile range - sure, you're in range. So is the northern tip of Australia. But analysts believe that their actual capability to reliably hit a target isn't particularly good. Besides that, what does the DPRK gain by attacking China? No, seriously, I don't understand why you think you're under threat from the DPRK. They wouldn't launch on China. They're unlikely to launch on the west!
The most likely scenario is that they fire off their missiles on the east coast to celebrate 100 years of the Eternal President being a person, probably landing in the sea or maybe not even doing anything, before going back to being that crazy hermit kingdom that rants and raves about everyone being evil while simultaneously asking for more food. The toys will go back into the box because despite their insanity the ruling caste of the DPRK like their own power far too much to risk losing it in a war, which they will lose at least initially. This isn't the 1950s, the world has changed significantly since the fall of the Soviet bloc, the DPRK may have a massive number of troops but they're a conventional army going up against modern armies with much better equipment and much stronger economies. The DRPK might undertake insurgency following a loss, but a leader in exile doesn't get to sit behind a fancy desk and wave missiles around while holding big parades.
They won't go to war. They're crazy, but not absolutely brain dead.Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
07-04-2013, 04:12 PM #27That's not why the United States & the United Kingdom invaded Iraq.
We should not go to war with them, we should really try to make a revolution by the people but if it does come to war we should take down them once and for all.
Besides that, what does the DPRK gain by attacking China?
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07-04-2013, 08:24 PM #33
NK does have plutonium warheads small enough to fit on a missile, why wouldn't they have them on missiles? I know the media wants you to believe that NK is just a joke and poses no serious threat, but this is far from reality.
This is probably something we fundamentally disagree on, knowing you. Is war with NK necessary? This remains to be seen. Is it never necessary? No, sometimes it's necessary. One could argue that ultimately there shouldn't have been a war to begin with, but since the actions of every nation can't be controlled, it is sometimes inevitable. Should a nation not defend itself? Should there be no intervention in places where genocide is being carried out?
07-04-2013, 08:37 PM #34
China wants the government to continue largely because if it didn't, all the refugees would start entering China. Indeed, they're already trying to figure out how to stem the tide of all these illegal North Korean immigrants who ran to escape privations. They're not particularly concerned about South Korea being an "American puppet" for, as it stands, South Korea's biggest trading partner is... China (as is Taiwan's, consequently, and China and the United States are #1 and #2 on each other's trading partner list).
All America has to do is give China enough face that discussions as to how we might contain these wacky dictators can proceed. For all we criticize Nixon and Kissinger for, securing a backroom dialogue with China - which has yet to be broken - has certainly worked wonders for world peace.
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it's perfectly happy to have Africans sent to The Hague), but the 120+ countries that are members of the ICC consider acts of aggression one of the worst crimes a state can commit.
Now, I don't mind that the USA has objections to the ICC - there's plenty to choose from - but the worldwide consensus seems to be, on the basis of said ICC and UN views, that aggressively waging war is indeed a crime.
Anyway, an interesting take on the situation by Fair.org, citing Foreign Policy in Focus: "Ostensibly a defensive exercise in preparation for an attack by the north, the joint U.S./South Korea war games have taken on a decidedly offensive characteristic since Kim Jong Il's death. What’s more, a South Korean military official discussing the exercise raised red flags by mentioning the possibility of responding to potential North Korean provocation with asymmetric retaliation, a direct violation of UN rules of engagement in warfare."
It also has this interesting quote by B.R. Myers, a professor at Dongseo University in South Korea: "We need to keep in mind that North and South Korea are not so much trading outright threats as trading blustering vows of how they would retaliate if attacked. The North says, "If the U.S. or South Korea dare infringe on our territory, we will reduce their territory to ashes," and Seoul responds by saying it will retaliate by bombing Kim Il-sung statues. And so it goes. (...) I think the international press is distorting the reality somewhat by simply publishing the second half of all these conditional sentences."
Last edited by Tritagonist; 07-04-2013 at 09:09 PM."He has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
08-04-2013, 12:57 AM #37
Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
08-04-2013, 01:11 AM #38
08-04-2013, 01:58 AM #39Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
08-04-2013, 06:16 AM #40
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Should be noted that even chemical weapon warheads are also ridiculously hard to mount on a ballistic missile. Unlike an artillery shell, a Scud or similar TBM descends so fast that the agents are more likely to end up as a toxic (if rather insignificant) puddle at the bottom of a crater rather than as a poisonous cloud engulfing a city block, which is why despite Israel's concerns that Saddam would put nerve gas warheads on his Scuds during Desert Storm, coalition planners didn't believe for a second his armed forces had that capability.