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Thread: Maggie Thatcher is dead
08-04-2013, 06:55 PM #21
08-04-2013, 07:06 PM #22
(again: I know very little about UK at that time and MT. i am misinformed hence why I post here.)
08-04-2013, 07:06 PM #23
short overview, writing for The Guardian:
Whatever else may be true of her, Thatcher engaged in incredibly consequential acts that affected millions of people around the world. She played a key role not only in bringing about the first Gulf War but also using her influence to publicly advocate for the 2003 attack on Iraq. She denounced Nelson Mandela and his ANC as "terrorists", something even David Cameron ultimately admitted was wrong. She was a steadfast friend to brutal tyrants such as Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and Indonesian dictator General Suharto ("One of our very best and most valuable friends"). And as my Guardian colleague Seumas Milne detailed last year, "across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted – and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown.""He has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to
the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
08-04-2013, 07:10 PM #24
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08-04-2013, 07:19 PM #27
The way the Thatcher government dealt with unions felt far more like trying to eliminate political opposition than protecting the economy and the contempt she showed for anyone who didn't share her particular moral values makes her easy to dislike.
08-04-2013, 07:24 PM #28
She did Right To Buy which let people have their council houses for very very cheap prices very clever because it basicall made a lot of working people middle class people that soon loved the conservative government but it made the knock on effect thtat there wasn't enough social housing and still isn't enough social housing for people putting a knock on affect that could actually be seen as the start of the financial crisis, the evil that the government is doing now(the bedroom tax blergh).
Which basically made every party want a piece of these people, its no accident that Gordan Brown saw Margarat Thatcher and the Labour council wants to build a statue of her. Labour has turned into basically the tories just because of how stron that people base is there is no difference to the parties there views and actions are just Thatcher+
Thatcher basically made the country that hates people on benefits and wants to get out of the EU and wants to privatise everthing including the NHS. That is why she is so hated.
08-04-2013, 07:32 PM #29
thx for everyone's replies. on related note: are people actually celebrating her passing away or is that said in jest?
08-04-2013, 07:33 PM #30
08-04-2013, 07:42 PM #31
As I said on one of the many posts that appeared on my Facebook
" I'm quite happy to criticise her, sigh at her legacy and call her all sorts of horrible names . . . but celebrate . . . just seems a bit morbid and unseemly to me."
Or to put it more swearily than I'm inclined to on Facebook, she was a cunt but I'm not inclined to piss on her grave. Though there are those who would argue that calling her a cunt is tantamount to pissing on her grave and they'd just be on the other side of the spectrum of Thatcher opinion to those who are out celebrating. That's cool though, everybody has a different moral line with this sort of thing - just as long as they aren't hypocritical about it (I'm sure some of the Tories who are saying that Thatcher "shouldn't be disrespected" were probably happy enough to have a go at the equally divisive Hugo Chavez not so long ago).
I also feel the need to apologies on behalf of chemists. I'm pretty sure it wasn't out fault as most of us have opposite political inclinations to the likes of Thatcher!
08-04-2013, 07:46 PM #32
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08-04-2013, 07:56 PM #34
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So yeah, I'm happy to see whoever feels the need to, put the boot in. She doesn't deserve amnesty just because she's dead.
08-04-2013, 08:04 PM #35
Indeed. She was so hated and reviled she won 3 General Elections.
08-04-2013, 08:07 PM #36
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08-04-2013, 09:24 PM #38
The only thing I give her credit for is a vague feminist icon not because of her policies because obviously she probably agreed with most Tories that the womans place was the home making dinner. But she did get to the top job in a very male dominated sector without losing her principles or having to have sex with the people at the top(not to my knowledge anyway). So thats a little silver lining there.
08-04-2013, 09:24 PM #39
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Note: The Falklands was a conflict so strictly controlled in reporting terms that news took longer to get back here than it did from the Crimean War where HORSES were used to carry reports! Censorship was higher than in any war in history too - because it was only staged to get her back into power! Before the war there was more chance of Hitler winning a UK Election than Thatcher the Milk Snatcher - she COULD have sent in Nato or the UN but that wouldn't have helped HER y'see.
As for the miners thing - no-one expected her to 'save the mines', we just didn't want her to actively destroy them so she could cement her position and force-through her short-termist selfish policies on the country. She began the whole 'me me me' economy which is now the 'plantation capitalism' we're stuck with. She was a fan of Milton Friedman and his "batshit fucking nonsense" economics - she would have talked of 'trickle-down economics' and so on - all now completely debunked but that doesn't matter, she and her cronies made their money (and sold-off most of the family silver doing it).
As for the properly-owning middle class she wanted to create to cement her legacy - she encouraged/pushed people to buy shares (state companies given-away for pennies) and council houses cheap (giving away state assets at a fraction of their value AND depriving the state of income) only for the shares to be sold-on to speculators and most of those houses to end-up in the hands of private landlords.
Worse still, those same houses are now rented at inflated rents paid from housing benefits - taxpayers are literally paying for assets they gave away with negative funds they're not earning from them anymore!
In many ways she's the root cause of any 'benefits problem' the current Govt might be bemoaning - and she did it all because she thought there was 'no society' and that everyone would 'get on their bike' and magically become self-supporting entrepreneurs etc.
p.s. my partner contends that she wasn't the first female PM because she has not 1 iota of feminity to her - hell, even Eddie Izzard has nicer handbags ;)
08-04-2013, 09:25 PM #40