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    lol! I imagine he's just a tailor. "Mender" is what they'd say, but... yeah, for whatever reason I've encountered many a thimble-collecting bumpkin around the IN/KY/IL tri-state area. The majority of the rural folk I meet on my random trips around the country are some of the nicest, most chatty and hospitable people I've ever met. Set in their ways, though, and they're obviously not the most socially progressive types... I wouldn't get much traction with some of them if I were darker-skinned.

    Popskull's in-ey blood, y'know? They says "us'n's been shinin'ere fer-chree generations," 'n such. Why, I m'self come from 'em! M'great granpap run hooch outta Ten'see f'years, and he and his run up In'yana-way after a while, n'we been'ere eva-since.

    Never had a Deliverance moment, but I've tactically avoided a few... choice locations...

    Anyway... women.
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    That feel when there will never be a movie showing how Scousers/Geordies/Brummies are unfairly ridiculed whenever they talk on voice chat in games ;_;

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    Quote Originally Posted by bit_crusherrr View Post
    That feel when there will never be a movie showing how Scousers/Geordies/Brummies are unfairly ridiculed whenever they talk on voice chat in games ;_;
    Unfairly?

    I beg to differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambe View Post
    Never had a Deliverance moment, but I've tactically avoided a few... choice locations....
    In the UK, we call these places Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomTangent View Post
    In the UK, we call these places Wales.
    Back on the east coast it's called New Jersey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bit_crusherrr View Post
    That feel when there will never be a movie showing how Scousers/Geordies/Brummies are unfairly ridiculed whenever they talk on voice chat in games ;_;
    1) Who?
    2) I want /v/ to leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaira- View Post
    1) Who?
    2) I want /v/ to leave
    1). People from Liverpool/Newcastle/Birmingham who have very distinct accents.

    2). I want people who assume someone with a different opinion from them is from a website they don't like to leave.

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    My last name is Welsh, but I am not Welsh by blood. Should I be worried? :p

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    Guilt by association.

    Then again, I have Welsh blood >_>
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    Me too, but I'm freezing it until I need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    Back on the east coast it's called New Jersey.
    I think South Park first introduced me to New Jersey. The accent is...interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly.by.design View Post
    My last name is Welsh, but I am not Welsh by blood. Should I be worried? :p
    Quote Originally Posted by mickygor View Post
    Guilt by association.

    Then again, I have Welsh blood >_>
    You should probably be both be killed with fire and/or bombs :(

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    I've never stepped foot on the isles and my father was adopted, so I guess burns on 50% of my body will suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly.by.design View Post
    I've never stepped foot on the isles and my father was adopted, so I guess burns on 50% of my body will suffice.
    It'll probably be sufficient to purge the taint. My mother's maiden name is either Irish or Welsh - can't remember which - so I potentially require 25% immolation.

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    Funny how everyone gets on well as soon as the topic moves off the fairer sex and on to people who have only recently discovered fire.

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    I make fun of hill folk but I'm a bumpkin. This is how I liked cooking in my youth; I still do it when I can.

    One needn't consider "objectify" a dirty word to be a feminist, nor need one ape John Walker's torsogate moralism. I'm pretty lax about semantics, but to me feminism means something like "egalitarianism attuned to the fact that women are underprivileged by the intrinsic patriarchy of most human cultures."

    This study is telling, I think (pdf form here):

    GENDER DIFFERENCES IN COMPETITION: EVIDENCE FROM A MATRILINEAL AND A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY

    Basically, there are obviously marked differences between the sexes and they tend to produce unfair gender imbalances, but (and this is what the study was about) culture can reverse those imbalances.

    I think questions like "how much nipple visibility is gratuitous?" miss the forest for the trees (they're also painfully stupid vestigial Puritanism). The important question is: how can we get men to be a bit less competitive and women to be a bit more so such that their social mobility approaches parity?

    We won't achieve that by getting uppity about porn (I happen to like Mai Shiranui's proportions and ridiculous outfit, tyvm). Change must occur from the bottom up, and thankfully it's occurring! Wherever the new generation is taught to give each other the benefit of the doubt, wherever boys aren't taught that recklessness and pride and protectionism are central to manliness, wherever sexuality isn't marginalized as shameful sin, etc, parity can naturally increase. Those are just platitudes, ofc, but they're more related to the actual problem than moral panic over image-fetishism and its attendant psychological skewing (which are symptoms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambe View Post
    The important question is: how can we get men to be a bit less competitive and women to be a bit more so such that their social mobility approaches parity?
    The reason women are more competitive in matrilineal societies is because women have more to compete over. A similar phenomenon was in noting the political awareness and activism of Soviet citizens: There was relatively little, because what's the point? (A similar argument, consequently, can be made when comparing modern American electoral turnout to modern German electoral turnout: Are Germans better citizens? No, they just have a more accountable system in place)

    All this is really pointing out is that sexual dimorphism bears very little in the way of pertinence when it comes to the continuation of society because humanity's marked strength is in social connection, which men and women are more or less equal at manipulating.

    As to your "let's not all be puritans" point, what you're really saying is "we're attacking the symptoms, not the problems," which is the common argument against political correctness. The thing is, when we're talking about culture:

    1) Censure works when it's made publicly clear that certain behaviors are not acceptable
    2) "Fake it 'til you make it" is actually not a wholly discredited notion

    This is an important notion when we're talking about objectification because part of the issue when women are relegated to such roles is because men who have the privilege of position at this juncture cannot or will not view women as fully-fledged people but as mere holders of said roles. If you want the results of conservative thought pervading a culture, just look at Japan's rather regressive reticence in allowing women into the workplace on equal footing as men - pitting their career goals, as we have done forty years ago, against matrimonial and childbearing goals; ie: sure you can work, but only as a secretary until you get married, then you don't work any more.

    If you want to change that culture, you have to make it acceptable to view them as equals, which involves making it unacceptable to view them otherwise.

    Now, to bring it back around, I'm not about to say we should do away with pornography. I'd be a flaming hypocrite and would have to burn all my hard drives if that were the case. But it's not too much to ask that not everything be pornography, right? I'd imagine you could sell cars, vodka, website hosting, deodorant, chicken wings, comic books and video games without oozing tits all over them, after all. And while we're talking about pornography, I'm sure it wouldn't be terribly untoward were somebody to suggest that not every pornographic flick has to be demeaning towards the woman. After all, a little birdie once told me that women like sex too...
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    Hypocrisy doesn't bother me all that much, but that's tangential...

    I suppose a society might have to overcorrect in a sense if that's what you're getting at to eventually reach a state closer to parity. Should marketing be less sexual, or more equally sexual?

    I'm not in favor of the proliferation of female sex-object marketing; there should probably be less of that and a hefty hunk more male sex-object marketing. And hopefully there would also be more tactful (that is to say, subtler and more genuine) sexual marketing all around. So less "lemme slap ya with a boob and see how ya feel about this NEW CAR!" and more, I dunno, "couple shares a tiny smile as they climb out of the hotel pool" and suchlike.

    Censure of perverse fixation on gender and sex seems a good thing as long as it doesn't devolve into censorship.

    I'd say many minds that need changing can't be shamed or reasoned into it. How much time/effort should go to changing the minds of 30+ year olds vs educating kids & young adults? I'd wager it's easier to subvert culture by nudging malleable clay youths than by jackhammering at brick wall "grownups" (not that the latter is unnecessary).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambe View Post
    I'd wager it's easier to subvert culture by nudging malleable clay youths than by jackhammering at brick wall "grownups" (...).
    Welcome to social engineering 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambe View Post
    I'd say many minds that need changing can't be shamed or reasoned into it. How much time/effort should go to changing the minds of 30+ year olds vs educating kids & young adults? I'd wager it's easier to subvert culture by nudging malleable clay youths than by jackhammering at brick wall "grownups" (not that the latter is unnecessary).
    I'm thoroughly of the mind that adults largely should be censured and children educated. It's much more possible and a far better use of resources to get the next generation than to convince the current one of anything. I've argued such on this very forum about half a dozen times. There are Stroms of every generation; why waste your breath?
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