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17-04-2013, 01:15 PM #41
What's wrong with our economies? People who are essential of running the core of the contemporary society be underpaid like this? I just cannot imagine these days without computer.
But that says IT workers are too highly replacable (not the IT skill itself, but sadly the workers). Is it really that easy to become a programmer?
Just a joke, next time when you programme the IT infrastructure of your employing firm, try make it imperfect with some fatal bugs only you the creator can locate, then make the firm totally dependent on it, so that...... well, you are clever that don't need me to teach you what to do next. Haha~ I suddenly realise that I have the potential to be a devil.
Wait a minute, is that why MS Windows is so buggy as an OS......
17-04-2013, 01:21 PM #42
We live in a world now where most jobs i've seen need 1 year experience and to get that experience you need to whore yourself out for free and even then there might be someone out there better then you...
17-04-2013, 01:43 PM #43
I know because last year I was assigned to screen some job applicants (just usual clerical work, nothing special for me) and was instructed to keep all fresh applicants, just highlight them to remain my bosses that those boys / girls would like accept lower pay.
17-04-2013, 02:27 PM #44
I try not to play games anymore unless the back of the box says it was made by a 60+ year old mother of 3+ children.
(secret full disclosure: I am lying)
17-04-2013, 02:40 PM #45
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17-04-2013, 03:59 PM #48
Yes. And there's no reason all jobs can't allow it as well, except maybe emergency services with staff shortages. When they don't, it's culture, not physical necessity.
17-04-2013, 04:12 PM #49
Assuming Kickstarter sees games deliver without Big Publishers attached then that could be happier way forward of course, and I hope it is.
17-04-2013, 04:51 PM #50
Not that it matters: The true economic climate is that without the leverage of organized labor, there's no particular impetus for employers to pay anybody anywhere near a decent wage for decent hours. Why worry about a 35-40 hour workweek with a living wage when you can just burn out flunkies like used tissue and rehire fresh college grads who "should be grateful to have a job in the industry?"
I currently work for a software company where the turnover is high, we get a constant influx of bright-eyed naifs from local technical institutes, and the last time the senior techs tried unionizing, everybody got fired. I spoke with the current veterans, and they report that this sort of purge has happened about three times in the last twelve years - in fact, a healthy income is a good sign that you're not going to be employed for very much longer here.
17-04-2013, 04:55 PM #51
It's really too bad. I know someone who had to turn down a writing job with a game dev when it became clear the lifestyle didn't suit him. He's a bit older, with a family and a life and no more patience for letting his job totally define him... all things which have helped make him a better writer than most people working on games right now, I'd say.
17-04-2013, 05:21 PM #52The software industry is notoriously lacking in labor representation.
a healthy income is a good sign that you're not going to be employed for very much longer here.
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17-04-2013, 05:37 PM #53
I honestly don't understand it when people say things like that. Whenever I've worked in unionized environments, all it's meant is that I got slightly better wages and benefits than my non-unionized counterparts. What's the downside of that supposed to be?
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17-04-2013, 05:59 PM #55
I can understand the uses of labor representation in lots of situations, but for my particular situation, I've already independently secured what I feel are quite fair wages and benefits. Joining up with an organization to try and get more than that, when I have struck a satisfactory bargain already, would be needless discontent. I'm uncomfortable with the implication that I should always try to get more than I have without stopping to ask if I'm being treated fairly already.
That said, unions could be handy if you work for someone terrible and corrupt (like, say, the bad guy in Stacking). I don't mind the existence of unions per se, as long as I'm allowed to not be in one. =)
[Nalano, let me know if you want me to come back and edit this post so it just says "rawr pinko grbl muh" so as to improve the flow of conversation.]
Addendum: I also prefer playing MMOs guildless though, just chatting with people who happen to be hunting in the same area, grouping with random strangers according to my whimsy. Such idiosyncrasies no doubt influence my predelictions, beyond where I would end up by principles alone.
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17-04-2013, 06:17 PM #56
Well said berzee.
I think one problem on the Union issue is that too many seem to feel "By default, everything should be unionized" or "By default, nothing should be unionized" rather than considering it on a case by case basis and realizing that many of the things Unions really were great for (workers rights and what not), at least in the US, have reached "acceptable" levels after years of struggle. Yes, there are still lots of major issues, but that is generally on a state/employer by state/employer basis.
Also, I definitely consider myself fortunate. I enjoy research in the field of computer engineering and am pretty gosh darned good at it if I do say so myself, so I actually DO get to do something I enjoy for fairly good moneys. So suck it :p
17-04-2013, 06:39 PM #57
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17-04-2013, 07:08 PM #58
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17-04-2013, 07:20 PM #59
But there is also the issue of the culture. For the most part, the US is a culture full of people who, on some level, believe in "The American Dream" of "If I work my ass off, good things will happen". Now, that is CLEARLY a load of crap for the vast majority of people, but it is something that gets drilled into us from an early age. Whereas Europe (or at least France) has a culture of "I want my vacation days and I deserve to take a break". A few french graduate students I know basically take month long vacations 2-3 times per year (I poop you not). And while I suspect (hope) that is considered excessive by French culture, I also acknwoeldge that it IS a cultural thing. I look at that and say "Holy crap, do you ever do any work?". They look at me and say "Sacre bleu, do you ever take a break?"
Like I said, there are definitely still a lot of problems, but for the vast majority of workers: The days of "I am not in a Union, my employer is going to rape and sodomize me" are gone. Not all, but a significant percentage. Mainly because Unions HAVE pushed legislature and fought in the past to get us where we are now.
17-04-2013, 07:35 PM #60
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