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    So Is 2013 Gonna Be a Break from Hardware Upgrade?

    All thanks to miserable failure of Windows 8. People here refer to this as Microsonic Sequence.

    Nvidia doesn't seem to intend to introduce anything substantially new after Titan which is not target mainstream users. AMD, as according to a RPS report sometime in March (or late Feb? anyway), is gonna push back HD8000 series to late this year or even mid 2014, and subsequently HD9000 series is further pushed back to 2015. All the HD8XXX models you see in the marketcurrently are actually rebranded HD7XXX.

    Is this a good break for you? It definitely is for me. Financially, needless to say. But most importantly, people who are serious about their PCs should understand that it is not easy to "raise" a PC, looking for, installing and getting through all the bugs (one misstep and you gonna need to reinstall everything) for all pieces of software.

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    Well, I was intending to undertake a new build when Haswell came out. I feel like I could use a bit more performance in big photoshop files with lots of layers and when handling big lightroom catalogues - though the latter could be more to do with the fact that I haven't got room for the files on my SSD, so they're on a conventional HDD. The problem is, as you say, graphics. Unless Titan becomes affordable, I don't see any point in upgrading what I already have - SLi 560Tis. So, I'm debating whether to put the whole thing off til next year, or to do it bit by bit - new core PC this year (CPU, mobo, bigger SSD) and then graphics next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirrel View Post
    All thanks to miserable failure of Windows 8. People here refer to this as Microsonic Sequence.

    Nvidia doesn't seem to intend to introduce anything substantially new after Titan which is not target mainstream users. AMD, as according to a RPS report sometime in March (or late Feb? anyway), is gonna push back HD8000 series to late this year or even mid 2014, and subsequently HD9000 series is further pushed back to 2015. All the HD8XXX models you see in the marketcurrently are actually rebranded HD7XXX.

    Is this a good break for you? It definitely is for me. Financially, needless to say. But most importantly, people who are serious about their PCs should understand that it is not easy to "raise" a PC, looking for, installing and getting through all the bugs (one misstep and you gonna need to reinstall everything) for all pieces of software.
    I've been on a multi-year break from hardware upgrades. I'll probably wait until the new consoles have been out for a year to upgrade.

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    I will probably build a new rig in about 2 years or so. We just had a baby, so money's tighter, and I moved my PC to the living room, which sucks balls for anything except games played with a gamepad. One we get settled in a new house and I get a proper desk back, I'll treat myself to a new build. It's long overdue. I don't even have an i7 yet.
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    This whole console cycle has been a break for me, as I'm still running an overclocked E8400 and 460 GTX.

    I did just buy a new monitor, so maybe that counts? But that's just me finally upgrading from 1680x1050 to 1080p.

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    I had a hardware break for about 4 years discounting a gpu that burned out, am I doing it wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    I had a hardware break for about 4 years discounting a gpu that burned out, am I doing it wrong?
    Ask your wallet. :)

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    My upgrades were in 2007 and 2012. And last years upgrade was basically following the budget-route in the Hard Choices articles of RPS, ie. just shy of 300. Everything I want to play, works just fine.

    Based on my experiences, I'll upgrade in 2015 or thereabout. I think a 3-year period would suit most gamers. Makes the most economic sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0mme View Post
    My upgrades were in 2007 and 2012. And last years upgrade was basically following the budget-route in the Hard Choices articles of RPS, ie. just shy of €300. Everything I want to play, works just fine.

    Based on my experiences, I'll upgrade in 2015 or thereabout. I think a 3-year period would suit most gamers. Makes the most economic sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    I had a hardware break for about 4 years discounting a gpu that burned out, am I doing it wrong?
    That sounds about right. I built my desktop rig back in summer '09 and haven't needed to upgrade a thing, as of yet. Personally, I'm just as happy that the hardware race has slowed down so dramatically.

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    Eh. I'll buy a whole new rig for Dark Souls 2 if I have to. Otherwise most of my rig is from 2007 and likely to stay that way until it breaks or new games get more compelling.

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    I appreciate a longer wait for the next hardware generation.

    I would expect more mature products and a significant performance boost due to driver optimizations. I know that hardware and driver development are never quite finished, but annual releases are just ridiculously fast, imho. It just burns up talented people.
    Declining hardware and climbing PC games sales also suggest, that there is really no need to get new hardware that fast.

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    I had been perpetually low on funds for past three years. Uni finished tough and the moment i sort some legal issues I am buying brand new computer. this june/july.

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    I tend to have more than one game open at a time. Getting a quad core from a E8500 was a huge boost. Sure it probably plays games fine, if you are playing that game with nothing else open, but its noticeably slower than my i7 based on what I do. Plus I wanted the ability to stream and never have had a spare 2nd PC.

    mid 2008 - E8500, HD 4870,
    early 2012 - i7-2600k, HD 7950, SSD 128GB
    2015/2016 - ???

    If my current setup can hold out longer, I would not mind upgrading to a 3 monitor setup. Currently on a 24" and some spare non wide 17" I use for browsing. Or maybe a bigger SSD. The longer it can last the better.

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    Bought my last gaming PC in Novemebr 2007, it wasn't bleeding Edge but very competent for the time, and it only started to show it's age last November, so got five years out of her. Replaced her with a machine even closer to the bleeding edge in comparison to the one I bought in 2007 for exactly the same amount and have no reason to assume she won't last as long, if not longer.

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    Personally holding off on any upgrading until the new consoles have been fully announced and showcased. I don't see the point in forking out at this point in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadayi View Post
    Personally holding off on any upgrading until the new consoles have been fully announced and showcased. I don't see the point in forking out at this point in time.
    I'm a bit (read: a lot) hardware naive, and I've seen this one a few times and wouldn't mind clarification. How do console specs figure in your decision making process? Surely a well built PC today will beat out any upcoming console in raw power by quite a ways. Is there some reason to expect a price drop of any sort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arathain View Post
    I'm a bit (read: a lot) hardware naive, and I've seen this one a few times and wouldn't mind clarification. How do console specs figure in your decision making process? Surely a well built PC today will beat out any upcoming console in raw power by quite a ways. Is there some reason to expect a price drop of any sort?
    a console game ported to PC requires quite a bit more raw power to match the console. This is a non-issue when comparing a 3-4 year old PC to an ancient 7 year old console, in other words we already have all the raw power we need in midrange PCs. When next gen consoles hit they'll be going head to head with current $1500+ gtx680 powered PCs.

    Personally I'm not worried that my 4.5GHz core i7 3930k PC will buckle under the strain (~$2000 PC here), but i'm pretty sure my 2 year old GTX580 won't be giving me 80fps performance with Watch Dogs etc.

    That doesn't mean that a gtx680 is the way to go. I'm waiting for the next generation of GPUs with vastly superior performance to consoles. I wouldn't mind paying $500 towards that rather than get a new console.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    a console game ported to PC requires quite a bit more raw power to match the console. This is a non-issue when comparing a 3-4 year old PC to an ancient 7 year old console, in other words we already have all the raw power we need in midrange PCs. When next gen consoles hit they'll be going head to head with current $1500+ gtx680 powered PCs.

    Personally I'm not worried that my 4.5GHz core i7 3930k PC will buckle under the strain (~$2000 PC here), but i'm pretty sure my 2 year old GTX580 won't be giving me 80fps performance with Watch Dogs etc.

    That doesn't mean that a gtx680 is the way to go. I'm waiting for the next generation of GPUs with vastly superior performance to consoles. I wouldn't mind paying $500 towards that rather than get a new console.
    That's a bit optimistic. They might, once all the clever optimization tricks start to really kick in, but that takes a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkura View Post
    That's a bit optimistic. They might, once all the clever optimization tricks start to really kick in, but that takes a while.
    not really. Oblivion and Tomb Raider Legend ran like a dog on pentium 4s + geforce 6800 Ultras, and that was a pretty decent config prior to the xbox 360's launch.
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