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    Thank you, RPS, we got moderators. Now what to do with them...

    This is an open post to Jim Rossignol and the rest of the RPS hivemind who frequent or at least look at the forums that we the RPS Planetside 2 community badly need a moderator for our sub-forum who can at the very least sticky important threads to the top of the sub-forum so they stop wandering off and getting lost.

    Ideally this person could also close off/merge or at the very least discourage people from posting multiple threads which discuss the same topic. We currently have several topics, all discussing the same things with information scattered around them. Some of this information is repeated and some of it is buried and lost. Most of it is difficult to find.

    I think it's agreed that with the success of our Call to Arms nights, which Mr. Rossignol had a huge part in by announcing and reminding everyone of them on the front page that our RPS PS2 community has grown. We have members in this sub-forum who joined the forums just so they could be appart of the RPS Vanu, NC and TR community. We have the youngest sub-forum of any of the sub-forums but it's already on it's way to being the largest with only the ARMA sub-forum containing more topics.

    So please, could we get a moderator in here to help us out. To make it so that new players can easily find out important information such as how to join us, when we play, who we play, how to use mumble etc etc. So we can cut back on the cross topic conversations and the duplicate threads.

    If you agree that we need a moderator (and I really hope you do), we would be happy to put forward members of our community for the task. I believe people have already been in contact with you about Cooper, the man who made this "mess" in the first place. He is a fine candidate and we have several others if needs be.

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    I will be sending a link of this topic as well as a copy paste of the body of the post to Mr. Rossignol.
    It would be great if everyone who wants a mod could chip in here to show their support, and anyone willing to be a mod speak up. Anyone willing to support that person as a mod please speak up.

    Personally off the top of my head, people I would see as being active and level headed enough to moderate the community are Ridebird, CMaster, Cooper, Esoteric, Mr.Eclectic. I would also nominate myself as I'm on this forum daily and wouldn't mind the job of keeping the place a bit tidier.

    Please for the love of god can we keep all future discussion of a moderator to THIS THREAD ONLY!!!


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    QuantaCat, Cooper, and MrEclectic all now have moderator powers. Please contact me direct via email (not via the forum) with any questions or concerns about this.

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    Thank you Jim!
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    Thanks so very much for this Jim!

    So now that we have our mods we need to decide what topics need to be given a sticky and what ones need to be merged.

    As I said previously, I believe that we need guides on
    1) Our comms system, broken into two parts, one post for basic comms set up including the rules on when we use one channel or squad channels and a second for advanced comms set up (SL/RL).
    2) What outfits play what nights and what they do on those nights and how to join an outfit with us.
    3) A field manual on how to play the game, what icons to look out for, how to work as a team and a very top level explanation of classes, weapon types and vehicle types (ie, shotguns are good at X and bad at Y, not "this shotgun has a 0.0024% differential pull on the 3rd shot causing you to drag up").
    4) An ongoing AAR.

    This topics should then be locked and only edited by the author of the guide or the mods. Alternatively they should link to a google doc, but I think keeping everything on the forum would be best.

    Everything else will be popular enough to rise to the top (discussions, off topic) or serve it's course then float off to Valhalla (this topic and Quantas one on a sound dude).
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    This is brilliant, thanks!

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    ?!?!?!

    How come I ended up as a moderator? And how come the more I play this game the more responsibilities I get? I'm not even a balloon leader, guddammit

    OK, I guess I need to get to work... So, suggested subforums:
    -Outfit introduction/ guides: self-explanatory
    -Outfit organisation discussion: we discuss things here, and then they end up in the guide section
    -AARs, tactics and training: discussion of tactics, AARs and suggestions for training. Training schedules go in the guide section
    -Planetside2 discussion: state of the game, WAS, etc
    -Video & photography: self-explanatory
    -OOT: banter, introduce yourself, cooking, music, etc

    EDIT: No subforum creation it seems. Let me look around what I can do...

    EDIT2: OK, I can sticky, I can merge threads, change thread titles, move posts. Hm, ok
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    Yes! We very much need someone who can enforce some order in the chaos thuis subforum has become. If it would be possible to also create a few further wubdivisions, that would be excellent. As it is, RPS, being the bigger of the outfits, keeps forgetting about our NC fellows, treating this place like our home, even though it's actually theirs too.

    I wouldn't mind moderating to some extent, if it comes to that. I wouldn't mind if someone else did it either, though.

    Edit: too late. Seems I won't have to. Nice, thanks Jim!

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    I'd just like to mention that I think sub-forums are totally not needed and that we shouldn't sticky or merge anything until we come to agreements on what's needed and what isn't.

    Or we can all just fall under the boots of the mods! (and I'll never heal them again!)
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    I agree that sub-forums are unnecessary here. We really should be able to do anything we need with judicious use of stickied threads and general thread organisaiton

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    If we can sticky threads, lack of subforums becomes much less of an issue.

    Suggestions for sticky: new threads on
    • Outfits - where and who we are, how to join, events etc. Like Cooper's original, but cleaned up (locked)
    • One thread per outfit - Purple giraffes & whatever thread RTRS use the most for everyday discussion
    • RPS Mumble setup - locked and curated, describe in 1st post, with simplest words possible, how to play a grunt, a SL and a RO. 2nd post details for PL and how to play with strat setup.
    • Guides - locked and curated by someone, comments and suggestions for additions in some other thread


    Edit: threads should have names that are clear, concise and free of puns. Just to make it easier to remember what they are supposed to be about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsotericReverie View Post
    If we can sticky threads, lack of subforums becomes much less of an issue.

    Suggestions for sticky: new threads on
    • Outfits - where and who we are, how to join, events etc. Like Cooper's original, but cleaned up (locked)
    • One thread per outfit - Purple giraffes & whatever thread RTRS use the most for everyday discussion
    • RPS Mumble setup - locked and curated, describe in 1st post, with simplest words possible, how to play a grunt, a SL and a RO. 2nd post details for PL and how to play with strat setup.
    • Guides - locked and curated by someone, comments and suggestions for additions in some other thread


    Edit: threads should have names that are clear, concise and free of puns. Just to make it easier to remember what they are supposed to be about.
    Yup, I've posted on this elsewhere, and came to virtually identical conclusions regarding stickying. The only one I wondered about is the "one thread per outfit" - they will always be busy, near the top, and are less about information and more about discussion.

    Given that, I don't think we need more than three stickies at the moment, but happy to be disagreed with.
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    Yes, you have a good point. So, it seems the way to go is to agree on the stickied posts.

    The way we should probably go from now on is leave the posts we agree upon stickied and locked. Whenever a change is needed, we keep the discussion in one appropriate thread, the stickied post is amended when we come to a consensus, and so on. Perhaps the stickied post contains a link to the appropriate discussion thread.

    Why to separate stickies and their discussions: the size of the threads may discourage some from reading them. It is also human nature, at least a few will continue reading down the thread, instead of reading the next sticky. When they do move on to the next, the information of the previous will be polluted with comments, and they may lack the concentration to read on.

    We should aim for 5-7 stickies max, which will be the bear minimum we'd expect a newer member to have read. Whenever we decide upon a change, the amount of info to be absorbed remains the same. Especially for newer members, it should be clear that what they are reading are outfit guidelines and consensus, and not a mix of guidelines, comments and opinions.

    Edit: Esoteric beat me to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEclectic View Post
    Yes, you have a good point. So, it seems the way to go is to agree on the stickied posts.

    The way we should probably go from now on is leave the posts we agree upon stickied and locked. Whenever a change is needed, we keep the discussion in one appropriate thread, the stickied post is amended when we come to a consensus, and so on. Perhaps the stickied post contains a link to the appropriate discussion thread.

    Why to separate stickies and their discussions: the size of the threads may discourage some from reading them. It is also human nature, at least a few will continue reading down the thread, instead of reading the next sticky. When they do move on to the next, the information of the previous will be polluted with comments, and they may lack the concentration to read on.

    We should aim for 5-7 stickies max, which will be the bear minimum we'd expect a newer member to have read. Whenever we decide upon a change, the amount of info to be absorbed remains the same. Especially for newer members, it should be clear that what they are reading are outfit guidelines and consensus, and not a mix of guidelines, comments and opinions.
    Agreed on several points. Big topics are not for sticky's. Sticky's are for information, not discussion. If a topic is worth discussion (such as the WAS thread) it'll always find it's way to the top. Big topics can be daunting to new people.

    All guides should be locked as we've all said and your suggestion of a link to the location for discussion is a good one.

    @Eso, I don't think each group/faction needs it's own sticky. One sticky to explain all the groups can be broken into three posts, one vanu, one tr, one nc, each explaining when they play, how to join, what they're about etc. And again, there shouldn't be discussion in that sticky.
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    You could have an 'Index Thread' of some of the bigger discussions to quickly signpost people to particular things they may want to talk/ask questions about, ie the WAS thread.

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    Jesus_Phish, you explain things more eloquently than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinSoakedBoy View Post
    You could have an 'Index Thread' of some of the bigger discussions to quickly signpost people to particular things they may want to talk/ask questions about, ie the WAS thread.
    That's a superb idea

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    It has been posted elsewhere, but to preoccupied with other stuff now to look for it. Anyway, as Eso pointed out, we need:
    • Giraffe Outfit introduction: description, recruitment info and list of main events
    • Traitors Outfit introduction/guide: whatever they decide upon
    • Giraffe Mumble setup
    • Giraffe Outfit guides:
      • Giraffe calf cert guide
      • Weapon systems recommendations/guide
      • Giraffe Relations Department

    • TACGIR description and details
    • Planetside 2 resources: links to sites with useful info and tools


    Each of these should have one and only one thread where amendments, corrections etc are discussed. Even if there are other relevant threads. For instance, for weapons, WAS is the general thread, where we discuss what we like etc. Then a weapons guide discussion thread, where we discuss what needs to be changed in the guide, and the guide itself, which is stickied, locked and curated by a moderator when we arrive at a consensus about what needs to be changed.

    Also, please suggest which threads should be merged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEclectic View Post
    It has been posted elsewhere, but to preoccupied with other stuff now to look for it. Anyway, as Eso pointed out, we need:
    • Giraffe Outfit introduction: description, recruitment info and list of main events
    • Traitors Outfit introduction/guide: whatever they decide upon
    • Giraffe Mumble setup
    • Giraffe Outfit guides:
      • Giraffe calf cert guide
      • Weapon systems recommendations/guide

    • TACGIR description and details
    • Planetside 2 resources: links to sites with useful info and tools


    Also, please suggest which threads should be merged.
    Topics 1 and 2 - I'll keep saying it, but I think these should just be merged together into a single topic, one post per faction, each post following the same structure of who we fight for, what that factions all about, what nights we operate and what we do on those nights, who to contact/how to go about joining.
    Topic 3 - I'm not sure what the traitors use, but isn't it similar to us only they don't get as many? It should just be mumble set up and have a post for basic users, another for advanced users and another for general rules of mumble. Or one big long post.
    Topic 4 a/b - I think a "field" guide as I mentioned would be best. This can be a big long piece that covers everything PS2 from a top level. What do symbols mean, what do tanks do, whats the difference between a libby and a sundy, what they hell does barney mean, why can't I use a sniper as a medic and so on. First post can be an index, next few posts each topic from that index (classes, weapon types, vehicle types, base types, tactics, certs, terminology, anything else I forgot).

    The other two are solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    Topics 1 and 2 - I'll keep saying it, but I think these should just be merged together into a single topic, one post per faction, each post following the same structure.
    I do not agree, because the Traitor post would get buried beneath the Giraffe one, or vice versa. They both need and deserve to be spot-lighted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    Topic 3 - I'm not sure what the traitors use, but isn't it similar to us only they don't get as many? It should just be mumble set up and have a post for basic users, another for advanced users and another for general rules of mumble. Or one big long post.
    The Traitors's setup is much simpler than ours, due to their smaller size. Also, they don't make heavy use of ACLs, to set up the whispers server-side. I'll go and post in their outfit thread, pointing to this one, so they can themselves explain how they want their info to be presented. As for ours, I think it deserves its own post. One place for one group of info.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    Topic 4 a/b - I think a "field" guide as I mentioned would be best. This can be a big long piece that covers everything PS2 from a top level. What do symbols mean, what do tanks do, whats the difference between a libby and a sundy, what they hell does barney mean, why can't I use a sniper as a medic and so on. First post can be an index, next few posts each topic from that index (classes, weapon types, vehicle types, base types, tactics, certs, terminology, anything else I forgot).
    Good point. Perhaps an index to Google Docs guides (Qazz has done a weapons guide in Google Docs, based on the Can I graze that thread).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    The other two are solid.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEclectic View Post
    I do not agree, because the Traitor post would get buried beneath the Giraffe one, or vice versa. They both need and deserve to be spot-lighted.
    Thanks
    But the very first post could link to two further posts, one containing vanu info, one containing NC. The reader just has to click which one they're after (e.g here's the 2nd and 3rd posts on this thread)

    That can work in any sticky that may apply to more than one faction here. I reckon keeping the number of stickies to a minimum is really key. There's nothing worse than going to look at a clan forum and having a wall of stickies to contend with.

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