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    [VS] Variety is the spice of life...

    How much variety do you think there is in the way we in [RPS] play the game?

    The following play styles have been happening on an at least a semi regular basis:

    * Normal (single channel, objective focused yet relaxed)
    * TopGir (the air squad)
    * TacGir (tactical squad play, split comms)
    * StratGir (strategic multi squad play, split comms)
    * Specials (by which I'm referring to all the TTTs, silly mondays, harasser squads, etc. which happen but aren't a consistent playstyle)

    I think there are some other playstyles that I've not seen much of from [RPS]:

    * Pure farming (Daddy style, just playing for certs)
    * Micro team play (e.g. two giraffes gunning a lib for a whole evening with limited contact with the rest of the outfit)
    * Serious play (like TacGir but more serious, perhaps entry requirements or start times that are adhered to)
    * All out zerg (perhaps we sometimes do this but it's usually not intentional)

    This thread has two objectives:

    1. Data collection - to find out:
    * how much people play other playstyles (or would wish to)
    * which ones they like
    * whether they do that as part of an [RPS] platoon.

    2. Discussing the following theorem: people secretly want to do some of the other playstyles but feel unable to so and therefore sometimes revert to those styles whilst in one of the other ones, inevitably causing frustration for them and others.

    I reckon that theorem is at least partially true but would like data to test it. If it is true maybe we could think about ways to minimise that happening, such as promoting the other playstyles more openly (so long as that doesn't cause too much outfit fragmentation).

    Discuss.
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    add TankGir, we had it just yesterday (or are you referring to this as "Specials"?)
    I'd like to play more focused, tactical (EDIT: I like the "casual" playstyle, too, but often I feel I'd like some TacGir) - unfortunately I am not comfortable with stepping up for lead atm, I hope to do this sometimes in the future (I need more tactical practice before I am comfortable to do this - both with TacGir and SLing)
    Sometimes I think I should just suggest TacGir and look how I'd do a TacGir SL-job... don't know...

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    After last night's success id strongly recommend a medic party at some point. Not sure about cert farming as an outfit though, kinda cynical image to portray. People can do what they like as individuals of course.
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    Nothing to stop you from asking for tacgir mentoring you know!

    I float about between most of the styles (topgir and tankgir are new to me but I'm certainly interested). I'm not really all that bothered about the other playstyles, though I will occasionally float around on my own during the day or something. The point of my signing up to RPS was to get in on some larger, organised play (and to have it with RPS folk), so stuff like farming or zerging isn't really what I'm here for. The 'more serious than tacgir' might be of interest but it would really depend on how it was set up. I'd rather see tacgir running more often and work up to something like that.

    What we really need is for everyone to know that it is okay if they'd like to go off and do their own thing. You don't have to stick within the main platoon if it's not working for you that day. It's one of many 'outfit info' things we need to sort of drill into folk's heads. We don't want to get too fragmented, naturally, but there are a lot of us at the moment and I think we can accommodate it.

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    TacGir and TopGir provide the "focused play as a meaningful unit within a huge picture" that, for me, lifts this game beyond anything else I've played before. Not to say that normal play doesn't do the same as well sometimes, just that those two work explicitly towards it the whole time.

    I've also really enjoyed the few times that I've ended up in focused small squad play (probably something halfway between the micro squad you describe and a full TacGir squad) such as dedicated AT, tank or harasser teams, and especially one session a few weeks back where KSempac started a TacGir squad that for a fair while was just 4 or 5 of us doing some really cool, pretty effective skirmishing and on-foot infiltration / flanking.

    I think squads (and maybe small platoons) with a focus on "let's do things this way for the hell and challenge of it" rather than an absolute focus on victory however it comes about can be a really welcome change of style. Dedicated LA squads flanking over hills on Amerish is just one thought that come to mind.

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    I'm playing only StratGirs to avoid burning out, basically.

    I would love to join an air/tank/harasser squad at some point but I'm a terrible driver/pilot and just want to man a gun for someone anyway. I could simply pull a vehicle and ask someone to drive it for me but I didn't put any certs into them nor unlocked any weapons, so I would simply be giving a shoddy vehicle to my driver and end up with a Basilisk turret which I don't really enjoy using. Shredders I like though, so when I'm finally done with maxing up my medic I'll probably be putting my certs towards a better lib.

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    TacGir is what I like, there is never enough of if for my taste. I try to get it going when I can, but since it requires a leader, i usually wait until I'm ready (ie not too tired) to lead myself and also have to wait for main platoon to fill up.

    Also like TopGir and Specials for a change of pace. Normal is ok, as long as it doesn't devolve into Zerging, which we sometimes do, especially 2-3 weeks after CtA.

    Serious play might interest me, but I think it would get boring after a while. I like to bantering even when I'm SLing a TACGIR squad (one of my best TACGIR squad had Dewi and Grible as dedicated drivers and comic duo on Mumble).

    I don't get micro team play, farming or pure zerging. If you wish to do any of theses, you don't need an organized outfit platoon, it's better done solo and we never forced anyone to join the platoon. So I don't even understand why we're discussing it as an outfit organization ???

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    I'm not sure it's really worth the platoon even worth worrying about the 'under-represented' playstyles - most farming is best done on one's own usually, or it happens organically in the course of normal squad play (I'm in an HE lightning and there are loads of guys to kill! I'm in a lancer squad and there is loads of armour!). And micro-squad play is by it's very nature relatively anti-social - find fights that suit your lib / harasser, not the other guys on the ground (who will usually call you to somewhere with too many enemies) and often the best teammate is one with which you have a good rapport - you want someone you get along well with and trust to be a solid pilot / gunner, rather than whoever is nearest to you when you pull the vehicle.

    As for the stuff we do, in principle I love a good tacgir (though I have been off my game recently, grr real life) and topgir continues to be great fun. But these really are just specialised instances of good platoon play with RPS - competent, engaged leadership and good communication.

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    I had a great laugh doing the Medic squad the other night. So much so I've actually been dumping certs into the medic class and I spent most of tonight running around as a Medic.

    As I'm still relatively new to the Outfit, I've only been to one TacGir but it was great fun and I really enjoyed FrozenRain's air squad he got going almost a week ago.

    Right now it's just fun for me to be playing with a large group of people in all honesty, I'm willing to give most things a go as long as it doesn't involve me flying (because I am the worlds worst pilot...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksempac View Post

    I don't get micro team play, farming or pure zerging. If you wish to do any of theses, you don't need an organized outfit platoon, it's better done solo and we never forced anyone to join the platoon. So I don't even understand why we're discussing it as an outfit organization ???
    I think it bears discussion for two reasons:

    1. We are the (vanu) outfit for readers of RPS. If some of those readers enjoy these playstyles then who are we to prevent them? I appreciate not every style requires a whole squad to be effective but surely if some people want to use [RPS] as s meeting place to find friends for lib crews or Harasser laughs then why not let them?

    2. The theorem. If people are secretly wishing that they could just quietly farm for an evening but feel a social pressure to be in the main platoon then they and the rest of the platoon might get frustrated. I think it's useful to know what people want so we can establish how effective we are at providing what we all want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WallyTrooper View Post
    I think it bears discussion for two reasons:

    1. We are the (vanu) outfit for readers of RPS. If some of those readers enjoy these playstyles then who are we to prevent them? I appreciate not every style requires a whole squad to be effective but surely if some people want to use [RPS] as s meeting place to find friends for lib crews or Harasser laughs then why not let them?
    There's nothing preventing people from doing that today, getting a harasser or lib up is easy, most people are eager to gun. If someone wants to go off on a tangent during squadplay, then just step out of the platoon and do what they like. I sometimes log on just to fly a little in my scythe or run around a bit in my lightning that has nothing to do with any organized rps-play, but I'll often be in the mumble channel just to listen in and see if there's anything interesting going on. However the majority of my time in planetside 2 is spent in a rps squad/platoon because that's where I have the most fun and the fights are generally more interesting to participate in.
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    Yeah, this seriously bears repeating:

    Being in the outfit, and being in the main platoon are separate things.

    If people would like to go off and do something else by themselves or with their mate etc, they're more than welcome to. If people are in the main platoon but would like to start squads of a different playstyle, there's nothing stopping them (and they can ask if anyone wants to come with). Obviously the platoons and squads are the main reason you'd want to join RPS in planetside in the first place, but we don't shackle you to them or anything.

    I think the only major thing would be that they still conduct themselves as RPS when they're out and about (no exploiting/abusing folk/teamkilling etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WallyTrooper View Post
    * Normal (single channel, objective focused yet relaxed)
    This is a bit misleading - we often use split comms outside of TacGir/StratGir. Regular play does not mean single channel.

    Other than that, I feel like we are pretty accepting of different playstyles. Alternative playstyles seem to happen when someone steps forward to create and lead something new (like TacGir and TankGir in the past few weeks).

    There are a couple of things I don't think would be good for the outfit to organise tho - namely cert farming and squads that do not communicate with the rest of the outfit. There's no reason people shouldn't be able to cert farm and play solo/in a rogue squad, but we probably don't want to put effort into promoting these things as an outfit, since they are at odds with the idea of large-scale group play, and they are easy enough for people to just go and do themselves. I know that a lot of outfit members spend time lone-wolfing and farming as it is anyway. So long as we don't create an environment where this is seen as a bad thing, seems fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizlar View Post
    There's no reason people shouldn't be able to cert farm and play solo/in a rogue squad, but we probably don't want to put effort into promoting these things as an outfit, since they are at odds with the idea of large-scale group play, and they are easy enough for people to just go and do themselves.
    This ^^

    I don't think that's something we need to worry about supporting, there are enough outfit members about who can provide advice on that sort of thing if people need it, and to be fair I think it's something best done solo anyway (otherwise, you're just sharing that juicy xp with other people, losing kills, etc.)

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    Good points though let's not focus too much on farming, there is much else to discuss too. It would be good to know what playstyles people are after and if the outfit meets those needs regularly. Promoting other styles (such as farming) is just one way of changing things if we conclude that the usual range of offerings doesn't meet people's needs. There are other options too.
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    'Normal' should include splitting into single or double squad based channels.

    We cannot have our 'normal' play continue being everyone in one channel. It's utterly untenable with the numbers we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinomatic View Post
    Nothing to stop you from asking for tacgir mentoring you know!
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    (Side note : For the past few weeks, I've been looking for more people to be mentored as TacGir SL. If you wish to be a TacGir SL and want mentoring, contact me ASAP)
    Yes I do want a TacGir SL Mentoring; main problem is that I just finished school and started working until October, when I'll go to the University, so I do re-structure my daily life atm and often don't know a) when I'll get to play and b) how long I'll get to play. But I'll definitly come back to your offer, Ksempac.

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    I'm all over TacGir as soon as I can. I've got to get a job in Chicago and get married before I can spend more time with it, but I'll pester you for mentoring soon, Ksempac!

    In the few hours I have free I've been loving TopGir since that sort of thing is so lacking in general PS2 play. I'm glad RPS supports it.

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    Something that I've been missing is organised vehicle play along the same lines as TopGir. I know Vastro had an early shit at it recently, and I commend that and want to see more!

    Edit: ! SHOT, dammit! SHOT!! Damn you, auto-correct! (Typo left intact for its hilariousness)
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    Oh wow thank you for leaving that, Eso! I barked out a laugh before I could stop myself at work this afternoon.

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