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    [VS] Call To Arms v4 - 16th of June (Sunday)

    For all newcomers:

    Welcome! We will be holding a call to arms type thing, and I want you all to join us in fighting off the TR and NC on Amerish!

    We are meeting up on mumble at 18/19h UK/EU, to get stuff going and start shortly afterwards, but Im surely going to be there earlier, as will all the leadership. (about half an hour is recommended)

    The correct channel for starting out on sunday is going to be:
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    Call To Arms 4 Introduction


    I am going to be automating the joining process a bit, so we dont need extra people to guide people to where they need to be, however, there will be somewhere you can cry for help.


    Original Post:

    I want to set the date for the next CtA, as next week is too soon in my opinion, and the week after it, is rezzed week.

    Anyone against it?

    Edit: just got approved by Cooper, Im letting Jim know about it.

    However, he has pointed out that every introduction thing has to be done by then, and possibly all outfit invites too. Ill let him talk about it in detail.
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    I'd be happy to get another c2a going. They are spectacular events.

    Thoughts:
    1) We need to be sure we can do this in a way that doesn't involve anyone being invited to the outfit on the night.

    2) We need to have the "outfit introduction" as set out in this thread sorted and working. We cannot expect to be able to go through the intro on the night, but we should have it ready for when people do stick around after the event.

    3) We should push to get SOE involved. Or at least record stuff we can send them. Thoughts?
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    Isn't it a bit too soon ? the last CtA was fun, but the aftermath was a lot of problems due to uncontrolled growth. We're starting to find solutions, but I don't think we're stable enough to have another big membership increase. My opinion would be to wait for the end of the month, till everything we've decided in the meeting (remember, there is a second part of the meeting next wednesday) is implemented and stable.

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    Personally, I think it's a bit soon. Seems like people are just starting to untangle some of the issues in the outfit, some that were caused or at least affected by having such a big influx of players (a problem of quantity, not quality - new players are of course awesome and welcome). Maybe we should wait a bit until we've got stuff like the outfit introductions and information properly in place and our current members up to date on the things they need to know?

    We seemed really well set up for the actual Call to Arms event last time, but it was like we were all prepared for the wedding and we hadn't quite got around to working out how to be married yet We're getting there now but reckon it would be nice to go into the next CtA without feeling like we're on the back-foot when it comes to being able to absorb new folk.

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    3) we could record on a low quality, and then use the material for split screen type video things. 720p would be acceptable, as well as huds and guns. though of course, extra points for huds off and guns away.

    4) we need to discuss the A+B, C, D style of platoons. I think its very effective, and it reduces our needs for squad leads and ROs. (as well as become more effective for rushing with two squads, and as well as address peoples concerns about hating split comms.)

    5) its not too soon, last time we had 3 call to arms in 2 months. the 13th of june is still two weeks away.
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    Agree that it's probably just a bit too soon, a week or two more to get our indoctrination routines going would be good.

    Nice metaphor with the wedding, there!

    It's going to be slightly less easy to get people into squads next time around, too, if we don't invite them into the outfit first. I'm sure we can handle it, but it will be a bit trickier.

    I wonder if we'll need yet another platoon set up in Mumble now...

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    The thing though, QuantaCat, isn't that's it's too soon for us to manage the event. It's just too soon for us to handle the expected fallout, s seen from the last event. If we give it another week or two, we could get into the routine for how to handle recruitment and introduction of new members.

    It might just be that two weeks is enough, and that having a deadline would force us to get things nailed down though...

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    I would rather we stabilise how we do things as an outfit and all that entails, before we plough into another CtA; it doesn't have to be put off too long, I love CtAs for the epic moments it creates (like a 12 galaxy drop attack) but we need to do things that are just 'to be done' at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    4) we need to discuss the A+B, C, D style of platoons. I think its very effective, and it reduces our needs for squad leads and ROs. (as well as become more effective for rushing with two squads, and as well as address peoples concerns about hating split comms.)
    Might need fewer SLs and ROs yes, but is it as good for new players who join? Also if we get all the stuff underway that's happening (mumble binds/mentoring) we'll hopefully have more confident SLs and ROs than before anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    5) its not too soon, last time we had 3 call to arms in 2 months. the 13th of june is still two weeks away.
    As eso said, it wasn't the event we necessarily had the problem with, but the 'fallout'.

    Quote Originally Posted by EsotericReverie View Post
    Agree that it's probably just a bit too soon, a week or two more to get our indoctrination routines going would be good.
    We're indoctrinating people now?

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    I'm away until Monday, so only brief input. But yes feels a bit soon. I was thinking of suggesting a "2 platoons night" we nag as many existing members to make time as possible and get the experience of being a big force without the stress of a cta

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    That sounds like fun!

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    Actually I forgot to put that in my last post CMaster - I was going to suggest something similar. A sort of 'in-house' CtA event if we're looking for that sort of big event funtimes feeling, without the fallout.

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    What I will say about the date is that June 13th is the last day of E3. I'm positive all the conferences will be over, but a lot of people might be pouring over the stuff that comes from it and might want to delve into that instead of immediately playing games. That shouldn't be prohibitive, but I think something to consider.
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    I think having A,B,C,D as squad channels works just as well, if not better than, A+B, C and D.

    With new players it's probably rather overwhelming to suddenly be in a channel where twenty-three other people are talking, shouting warnings, occasionally giving orders and generally bantering. Especially if you never even used online comms before, which some people coming into a CtA situation wouldn't have.

    An effort to get proper multi-platoon gaming in one night would be fun.

    So yeah ... it's still too early for a massive full-on CtA and we'd be better adjusting to the new growth and bringing on PLs and SLs etc. before we jump into another one of those events (not to mention nailing down things like the Girofficer side etc.).

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    I suspect Jim and the PC Gamer crew will just decide a date anyway. We haven't exactly been very involved in the decision making so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsotericReverie View Post
    I suspect Jim and the PC Gamer crew will just decide a date anyway.
    Too true but as far as the community pushing for another one ... I'd say it's a bit too early

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    My thoughts are that 2 weeks is probably enough time.

    Perhaps have this suggested 'Outfit C2A' this coming thursday (6th) in place of (busiest night anyway) StratGir.

    That way we could still go ahead with the proposed RPS C2A the following week (thurs 13th) depending on how the first week had gone obviously.

    After that, the remaining week could be used to nail down the remaining outfit admin, finalise the SG/PS/SL/RO's list and brief everyone on how it's going to work. Simple and doable enough, surely?

    As for SOE, i can always use the outfit twitter account to prod Luperza and TRay in the days leading up to it. Split screen sounds great, though my following suggestion can perhaps be a side project for those who it concerns: Maybe create an itinerary of (people able to/will on the night) be recording so we can see how many angles we can actually get? That way the fancy youtubers amongst you can always have a think about dividing coverage, composition and all that stuff if wanted.

    Finally, and i might be completely wrong here, but this "influx of members" only really feels like ~20 new, consistent and/or active players... So this fuss that's been kicked up just seems to be of our own making and not anything of real importance... I have a question for anyone who was regularly playing before the last C2A, has there actually been that much of a significant increase in new names floating around since the last event? Because currently, i'm inclined to think that the majority who were invited to the outfit, perhaps have only been back a hand full of times since? So perhaps all of these topics of fallout, growth problems and being married and stuff are a bit over dramatic and in the end solved by the solutions proposed already.

    I.e. our re-imagined:

    Outfit invite & rank structure.
    Outfit & Platoon intro.

    We already have the proven Sinomatic & Co. 'hello! channel'

    Perhaps all we'd need to do from there is either, invite them to the outfit and give them the old "calf" rank, or alternatively come up with an efficient way of /telling the SL (or bulk /platooning, as long as it was clear for the SL to read who they needed to invite) their prospective non outfit member tag/s, so as to manually invite them to the squad. Maybe you can copy & paste, i dont know.

    To conclude, i'm all for going ahead with it, and will be as involved in the prep as i can be to make it a reality.
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    I always thought that C2As were kicked off by Jim? That he decided it'd be cool to have one, and then we sort of dealt with putting one on?

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    Tend to agree with Nick on this one. TL;DR: The problems we are having are more to do with how we sustain good organisation/atmosphere within the outfit, less to do with too many new people.

    It sounds like the last CtA was great, having another one in a couple of weeks may even be a good way to try out all our newly trained up SLs. Doubling up squad sizes (so AB+CD per platoon) could also be a good way to ensure we have enough leaders on hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchseven View Post
    I always thought that C2As were kicked off by Jim? That he decided it'd be cool to have one, and then we sort of dealt with putting one on?
    no, the last one was actually sortof a mutual deal. In either way, I talk to/mail/steam chat jim on a semi regular basis anyway.

    I still say 2 weeks is enough. The best way to test stuff out is by trial.
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