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18-08-2011, 11:01 AM #101
Maybe I misunderstood you Rii, but do you thing pirating is ok because if someone other than the developer gives the game to you at the point the developer doesn't own the game and therefore shouldn't get paid for it? You kept mentioning liberty, but atthe end of the day, your getting entertainment (that you don't need to live a happy, healthy life) for free from someone who has sunk A LOT of time, money and energy to create. And this person (or people, i guess I should say) want money for their work, because they need money to live, and want money in return for the effort they have put in (don't underestimate how much work it takes to make a game). You said something about how this viewpoint is a diseased capitalist one. Well these games are made in capitalist societies, and so requiremoeny in order to function. If you play by different rules, the only person who benefits is you. You are not reforming society or government by playing games without paying for them, you are merely benefitting from you own set of morals, while punishing those with a different set, who are the ones putting so much work into these games.
Sorry for the rant, but I don't understand people who think pirating games is a right they have....
18-08-2011, 11:16 AM #102
18-08-2011, 11:23 AM #103
Let's say that I have in my legal possession a physical manifestation of what is known as Deus Ex: Human Revolution - in other words, I have the DVD. I also have an electron microscope. My friend across the room has a notepad. Examining the disc under the microscope I read off my observations: pit, land, pit, pit, land, pit, and so on ad infinitum. Four hundred years later my friend manually programs his DVD burner to write the sequence thus described onto a blank disc. At what point in this process did we commit a crime, and upon what basis would you describe it as such?
I think you'd have a hard time arguing that "liberty and free speech" should include limitless duplication for the purposes of distribution as B sees fit any more than you could argue that they represent claiming another's work as your own toil is perfectly fine.
Last edited by Rii; 18-08-2011 at 11:45 AM.
18-08-2011, 11:41 AM #104
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Sorry to bust in after only skimming the thread, but Amazon have updated their product page again and it now says that there's no region lock.
Potential back-pedalling? As it was only ever a CDkey getting checked by a server, have they removed the region-check, or was it all lies and slander to start with?
18-08-2011, 12:34 PM #105
Reminds me a bit of Cliffski and his ranting about the indie scene and piracy. I remember his articles about engaging with pirates and why they pirate his games. I remember thinking "It might have something to do with the price, and how most of them aren't very good..."
18-08-2011, 01:23 PM #106
18-08-2011, 01:50 PM #107
That is excellent news. Glad to see a publisher making a decent decision for once. I assume this means there is no lock on the UK, and anybody can register it, but the lock on Russia/etc remains.
Also, as per earlier discussion
You are entitled to use the Software for your own use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve; (ii) host or provide matchmaking services for the Software or emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Valve in any network feature of the Software, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying or adding components to the Software, use of a utility program or any other techniques now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose including, but not limited to network play over the Internet, network play utilizing commercial or non-commercial gaming networks or as part of content aggregation networks, without the prior written consent of Valve; or (iii) exploit the Software or any of its parts for any commercial purpose.
18-08-2011, 01:55 PM #108
Thank you, RPS! And thanks to all the people who have participated in the discussion that followed the article!
Update: jaycw2309 stated the following in the official thread:
'Oh and yes the pc versions from UK will work in US and vice versa'
Last edited by The True Turrican; 18-08-2011 at 02:36 PM.
18-08-2011, 03:25 PM #109
and there it is, its nice to see a publisher listening to the concerns of the customers for once rather than sticking their fingers in their ears and pushing on ahead. well done them.
18-08-2011, 03:59 PM #110
"Please note this affects PC BOXED RETAIL only. The region locking exists because they couldn't get all languages onto the DVD."
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18-08-2011, 04:34 PM #111
18-08-2011, 04:47 PM #112
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Good to see a major publisher do the decent thing. Albeit unsurprising. Square-Enix was always (well, not always, but for the past year or so) more likely to do the decent thing than just about any other major publisher, which is probably why I found this move so disappointing in the first place.
18-08-2011, 08:41 PM #113
@soldant and possibly others: will respond later.
Fortunately my retailer had yet to process my refund and I've confirmed to them that in light of this latest news I would indeed still like to receive the game. I'm not happy about the Steamworks thing - which I didn't know about at the time I pre-purchased the game and likely would not have done so had I known - but through the ambiguous combination of a variety of factors the dice at this point come up in favour of 'buy'. So, well done Squeenix, I guess.
NOTE FOR PUBLISHERS: Don't try and take advantage of the minimal goodwill generated by latter stage of this overreach-then-partial-retreat behaviour. Gamers will notice and become immune to its effects to the detriment of your entire product catalogue. See: Ubisoft, whose products no longer exist on PC so far as I'm concerned.
Last edited by Rii; 18-08-2011 at 09:22 PM.