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Thread: Enclave quits
21-06-2013, 10:26 AM #21
This guy has an awful sense of entitlement and doesn't really seem to understand the nature of MMOs. Yes there is no endgame and your purchases/time/money invested are in the hands of the devs. You can't complain about imbalanced abilities and the flexibility of weapon/ability stats. You need to adjust stats to balance, I'd hope that's obvious.
As for the lack of endgame and being a "pointless, endless TDM," welcome to video gaming. What does he want, a permanent 3 continent lock for his endgame? Permadeath every other character, the whining "Alpha male" has won the game. We sit on stacks of plastic and cloth clicking buttons and staring at screens to move pixels and numbers around, it's pointless by nature and endless by necessity, I'd be much less enthusiastic about any game that was set to end on a certain date. There are plenty of other games around where he can save a princess or avenge his dead wife if he wants to "achieve" something from his sitting and clicking, he'll feel real Alpha too.
The monetising argument stinks of paranoia, three way battles are rare and great fun in my (admittedly short) experience, Planetside 2 has never crashed for me and hackers/exploits are nothing like common enough to ruin the game.
More to the credit of RPS than PS2 perhaps, this is the first time I have felt comfortable playing an FPS and interacting with other players. I have so far heard players criticised for using gay as a blanket, verbal-filler-negative, another advised that the use of "raped" to describe heavy damage to virtual characters on video games is not OK and there is an overarching acceptance, forgiveness and embrace of those of us less skilled. Shame on any of us intelligent and strong willed enough to be decent human beings in an arena usually dedicated to bigotry and misogyny but stupid enough to give this fool an audience.
I'd argue that this guy's problem (judging by his videos) is that he was playing the wrong game. I'm sure he'll fit right in on Battlefield/Call of Duty, this sort of attitude will be welcomed there.
[Edit/TLDR] I missed breakfast and am grouchy, this guy is a dreadful bigot and is picking on a game I enjoy without justification, I am not busy at work.
Last edited by stoopiduk; 21-06-2013 at 10:29 AM. Reason: Clarification
21-06-2013, 11:15 AM #22
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21-06-2013, 11:47 AM #24
During the early stages of PS2 Total Biscuit (getting payed by soe for the promotion) did a stream/video which featured the Enclave. After it got to his attention who the Enclave was he was not able to pull the video (although he wanted to. seems like issues due to the contract with soe) but never again mentioned the Enclave by name and removed any mentioning of them on the video to not promote them any further. At least that surely didn't slip soes attention.
There are even Reddit threads on the Enclave, even one where TB replies:
Things like this were around the forums since PS1 (from what I have been told. Only played a little when there was the free trial) and since PS2 started and BCP showed up again. SOE made the decision to give this guy a platform despite all the shit he pulled. The community was vocal enough again and again. SOE knew who they were getting in bed with and they didn't care.
Simple as that.(Firefall: bug shot) // (PS2: bobby is going home)
21-06-2013, 11:54 AM #25
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Bit ironic that you trashtalk other gamers based on what they play in a post criticizing a guy who trashtalks other people based on their beliefs/race/sex life.
21-06-2013, 11:56 AM #26
Good. Maybe people can shut up about him now.AKA Rushtone
21-06-2013, 12:07 PM #27
I know he's meant to be a terrible person, I've never given him any time or attention. This is the first video of his I've viewed. While his personality sounds amazingly shitty, he has a lot of valid points about the current state of the game and I agree with a tonne of them.
I'm glad to see him go, only because it means I don't have to hear about him any more.
21-06-2013, 12:45 PM #28
Any ideas why Higby gave him so much attention? I don't get it. Possibilities I've considered: genuine interest in understanding the community, mutual ego rubbing, fear of the consequences of ignoring, shared ideology, being told to do so by SoE. I don't know which (if any) of those could be credible but as I said, I don't get it.
Another obvious question: why does PS2 not have its own Council of Stallar Management? The game is essentially still in development (updates about as frequent as DayZ mod was getting this time last year) so community feedback is really important. SoE seem to get that but do it in a kind of opaque way that seems to favour people who've attracted the attention of the devs and/or established a rapport. As we've all said: none of us likes even the thought of BCP representing us. Conversely I'd be really happy to vote for someone to be my representative. I'd also be happy if all outfits of a certain size were allowed 15 minutes of dev time each quarter or something along those lines. Maybe we're meant to do with the forums and the roadmap (both of which are very easy for SoE to ignore as they wish).
In short: why don't SoE have a more formalised engagement strategy with the community?
21-06-2013, 02:06 PM #29
Higby watches twitch streams. Higby enjoyed watching the enclave play as they are fairly tight in what they do.
In some ways this is good; the creative designer is watching his game being played. In many ways this is bad; he's only watching a small sector playing it a certain way. He's engaging with a personality vilified by the community. Most importantly it means someone, just one person, has the ear of the guy. No matter what, if you are in regular, informal contact with someone you have an absurd amount of influence over the way they think about the stuff you discuss. It's exactly how lobbying works. It's exactly why lobbyists try to become friends with politicians. Formal engagement is nothing compared to regular informal discussion.Originally Posted by CROCONOUGHTKEY
21-06-2013, 02:15 PM #30
The worst part is that in his reply to the relevant subreddit post, Higby still seems to ignore the hideous character and influence of BCP on the game, laments his departure and appears apologetic on behalf of SOE. Besides the toxic influence of BCP on the community and the game, this has been a PR disaster from the beginning, and SOE are still fueling this. This has been an opportunity to go on the offensive, yet they still appease the guy. They play right into his game, enhancing the drama of his "grand" exit. Appeasement doesn't work with these people. Not even debate. The debate concluded on October 1st, 1946.
21-06-2013, 02:47 PM #31
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Interesting idea from my gf, who's not much of a gamer. BCP may have been asked to leave by SOE in such a way as to make it all seem above board and legit. They may have pulled some strings to avoid a shitstorm. Hence Higby's 'sad to see you go' as not a genuine response, but a company talking about a dismissed employee, or one who was given the opportunity to leave or be fired.I am on the Steemz
21-06-2013, 02:51 PM #32
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21-06-2013, 04:10 PM #34
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This is bad news.
Yes, he was "Space Hitler", but this is a videogame, and is good to have somebody fill the role of "bad guy". make things more fun
21-06-2013, 04:25 PM #35
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21-06-2013, 05:10 PM #37
There was something I read recently while researching PVP in EVE Online that stuck with me; the person on the other side of the PVP engagement is not your enemy. They are merely your opponent. The distinction is probably nothing to most people but it makes sense to me - an opponent is just there to give you competition. Having strong opponents is a good thing - it makes you better in the long run, challenge increases your skills.
Bringing hatred/racism/homophobia/sexism (or just about any form of intolerance) into any aspect of the gaming community is unacceptable. Or any community, for that matter (utopian dream, maybe).
I hope BCP crawls into a hole and never comes out.
21-06-2013, 06:15 PM #38
Id give an opinion but ive said it all before and I probably couldnt put it as well as sketch and the rest of you anyway.
So instead of wasting all this negative energy I want to channel it into something creative. I suggest a "sorry youre leaving!" card in video form. If anyone would like to indulge me and wants a quote attributed to their name, just pop a line or two in here. Id prefer almost mockingly nice ones like "all the best in your new role at bf4!" or whatnot, since what I have in mind for the video going on behind will juxtapose it quite nicely.
Its a pretty simple idea so we should be able to have it uploaded in time for it to still be somewhat topical, the quotes are just a potential bonus but itd be nice if a few of you could do it.
21-06-2013, 06:27 PM #39
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Goodbye message: 'Thanks so much for making the game more enjoyable by leaving forever!'
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21-06-2013, 07:34 PM #40
Yeah if you're being lead by someone that pushes those views, and you continue to follow and support them without challenging them - or leaving - you are essentially stating that you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable. I forgot the right word for it - "agreement through silence" is the best I can come up with right now.