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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane View Post
    Would the Eisenhorn Trilogy be a good starter for those uninitiated to the Wh20k universe(yes, we are more than a myth)?
    Eisenhorn is where I'm starting; a friend has graciously loaned it to me. Outside of WH, I'm finding a hunger to read some Christie; already finished Death on the Nile and looking for a "next step".

    Oh, and I've been completely hung up on Heretics of Dune. I started it maybe a year ago and cannot find the spirit to read past chapter 6 or so. I think in part it has to do with how far removed it is from the beloved characters of the first book(s).
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    Would the Eisenhorn Trilogy be a good starter for those uninitiated to the Wh20k universe(yes, we are more than a myth)?
    Yeah, but I would go with Gaunts Ghosts by the same author. Or at least follow up Eisenhorn with the series - it's more accessible IMO and has some of the best depictions of all-out war from the view of grunts caught in the meatgrinder. Eisenhorn lets you see more of whats going on in WH40k beyond the frontlines, but really, in the grim darkness of the future there is only war.

    Jockie, your idea sounds familiar but all I can think for examples are stories where this digital afterlife has been a mere side-note in the overall book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jockie View Post
    Secondly, the reason I'm asking is i'm researching for my final creative writing assignment at uni and I'd quite like to know if my idea is in any way original. Essentially it's about a near-future story about a man-made afterlife, where human consciousness can be replicated in electronic form and are able to inhabit articifial environments, exploring ideas like the monetisation of the afterlife, religious reactions and terrorism/hacking. Does this sound familiar to anyone? (i'm sure it's been done before but my search results have been inconclusive)
    Iain M. Banks' Surface Detail has quite a bit on the subject of digital afterlives. From Wikipedia:
    Some of the plot occurs in various simulated environments. As the book begins, a simulated war game—the "War in Heaven"—has been running for several decades. The simulated war is to determine whether to allow or to disallow cultures in the galaxy from running Hells, simulated afterlives in which the mind-states of the deceased are tortured.


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    Olympos (Den Symmons)

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    Finished Best Served Cold, now onto The Steel Remains by Richard Morgan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jockie View Post
    Secondly, the reason I'm asking is i'm researching for my final creative writing assignment at uni and I'd quite like to know if my idea is in any way original. Essentially it's about a near-future story about a man-made afterlife, where human consciousness can be replicated in electronic form and are able to inhabit articifial environments, exploring ideas like the monetisation of the afterlife, religious reactions and terrorism/hacking. Does this sound familiar to anyone? (i'm sure it's been done before but my search results have been inconclusive)
    I guess the issue is, if everything is unreal where in lies the value? Both in terms of everyone within the artificial environment to each other (you're effectively living in a world devoid of physical constraint) as well as the responsibility the living have towards maintaining it. Also if a persons identity can be replicated flawlessly, what happens when you make a copy and release it into the same space. Who is the real Jockie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jockie View Post
    Secondly, the reason I'm asking is i'm researching for my final creative writing assignment at uni
    Care to share it when it's done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keep View Post
    Care to share it when it's done?
    Depends whether I am deeply ashamed of it after it's finished!
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    Heh, I know that feeling. Still, if you wanna show it around, you've got an audience here.

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    still reading this one

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    No matter what, Ciaphas Cain is the best place to start in WH40k. It does drop you a bit in the thick of it, but the characters more than make up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keep View Post
    Heh, I know that feeling. Still, if you wanna show it around, you've got an audience here.
    Cheers, critique is always useful, but it's difficult releasing your malformed children into the world! At the moment I'm still waiting on an approval for my proposal - this is my equivalent of the final course dissertation.
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    I'm currently rereading the Dragonriders of Pern books, in the recommended order. Up to Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R-F View Post
    No matter what, Ciaphas Cain is the best place to start in WH40k. It does drop you a bit in the thick of it, but the characters more than make up for it.
    Well, I've been reading Ciaphas Cain, and while I did quite enjoy the first half of the novel, the gimmick of having a cowardly but accidentally competent Commissar begins to wear thin. The rationalization behind the things he does because of his self-serving nature begins to feel stupid as the novel progresses. Everything else about the novel is firmly mediocre, as if the writer expected that the lead character's unconventional nature would be enough to get the readers through the novels.

    I also read the first of Space Wolves trilogy. 'Twas the same testosterone fueled dudebro-porn as, say, the Gears of War games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane View Post
    Well, I've been reading Ciaphas Cain, and while I did quite enjoy the first half of the novel, the gimmick of having a cowardly but accidentally competent Commissar begins to wear thin. The rationalization of everything that Cain begins to feel more and more stupid as the novel progresses. Everything else about the novel is firmly mediocre, as if the writer expected that the lead characters unconventional nature would be enough to get the readers through the novels.
    First novel? Well, I've read the first six and whilst it does wear thin a little, they're pretty damned good books.


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    Gaunt's Ghosts are above and beyond the fething best WH40k books. The inverse of Cain in that Commisar Gaunt is really a big damn hero and so are his men (and later, women).

    Cain is fun but as said, a little thin. Whereas Gaunt has some humor, lots of action and a deep streak of horror running through it, Cain's character and his success kind of undermines the sheer nastiness of the imperium's enemies for me.

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    I'm just finishing the Founding omnibus for Gaunts ghosts and it's pretty good, though I will say Eisenhorn was better, it's maybe on par with Ravenor I'd say. Mostly I wasn't too fond of the second story where every soldier gets his own short story. It reminded me a bit of Sgt. Rock, which I guess is the same type of stories in a different medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblazeuk View Post
    The inverse of Cain in that Commisar Gaunt is really a big damn hero and so are his men (and later, women).
    Later? Cain, from the start, is full of strong, powerful women. Whether it's the 597th, the forces of Perlia or even just a certain flirty techpriest, he's constantly supported by women. Sadly, the Cain books are some of the few (in print) 40k books with any real number of women. Only others I can think of are the Shira Calpurnia books and the Sisters of Battle series. Last Chancers is now out of print (AGAIN - much to my annoyance), so yeah. Not a lot to read if you want wimminz in the 40k universe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Later? Cain, from the start, is full of strong, powerful women. Whether it's the 597th, the forces of Perlia or even just a certain flirty techpriest, he's constantly supported by women. Sadly, the Cain books are some of the few (in print) 40k books with any real number of women.
    Well the Tanith first-and-only was a typical single-sex army at first. It's only when they get their numbers bolstered by the Verghast irregulars that women become regular and prominent characters of the books

    Last Chancers is now out of print
    Oo Last Chancers. I'd put that in second after the Ghosts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblazeuk View Post
    Well the Tanith first-and-only was a typical single-sex army at first. It's only when they get their numbers bolstered by the Verghast irregulars that women become regular and prominent characters of the books
    I see. I only have the first omnibus and I really can't see myself getting to it at any point in the near future, let alone the rest of the series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theblazeuk View Post
    Oo Last Chancers. I'd put that in second after the Ghosts.
    I'd love to read it, but used copies are expensive, it's out of print anyway and Black Library can shove their ebook pricing up their arse.


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