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    Also the X-Wing books are quite entertaining.
    Mind you I haven't read beyond the first saga.
    It was heavily influenced by the games so there are a few nods to it, specially when describing combat with manoeuvres and controls taken from the game.

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    I've read the first X-Wing book (the next 3 are sitting on my shelf while I finish some other stuff), and yeah, it's good. X-Wing pilots flying around fighting the Empire in general fighter-pilot awesomeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamozk Ekhiss View Post
    If you've never read any Star Wars books, you've got to read the Thrawn Trilogy - easily the best of all of them. Written in '97, so some bits don't quite make sense with the prequels, but they're good enough for George Lucas to take the name Coruscant from them.
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    Also the X-Wing books are quite entertaining.
    Thanks. I'll try Thrawn and X-Wing next. It's more interesting to get new perspectives on the Star Wars universe than I would have thought.

    It was heavily influenced by the games so there are a few nods to it, specially when describing combat with manoeuvres and controls taken from the game.
    Judging from the acknowledgements in the Republic Commando novels, Karen Traviss also talked to the game devs while writing. It's just been so long since I played the game that I can't really remember enough to recognize which bits she used in the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamozk Ekhiss View Post
    If you've never read any Star Wars books, you've got to read the Thrawn Trilogy - easily the best of all of them. Written in '97, so some bits don't quite make sense with the prequels, but they're good enough for George Lucas to take the name Coruscant from them.
    That the next movie trilogy isn't based on the Thrawn books is such a disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Similar View Post
    Thanks. I'll try Thrawn and X-Wing next. It's more interesting to get new perspectives on the Star Wars universe than I would have thought.


    Judging from the acknowledgements in the Republic Commando novels, Karen Traviss also talked to the game devs while writing. It's just been so long since I played the game that I can't really remember enough to recognize which bits she used in the books.
    The RC novels were tie-ins. Sev and Fixer and the rest pop up and are actually characters in the later books.

    To my recollection (been years), the novels reference the space ship Delta commandeered as well as the aftermath of Kasshyyk, and that is really it. The novels are more about Omega, the Mandalorian trainers, the Nulls (they are to Commandos as Commandos are to Troopers), and the various Jedi they tolerate along the way.

    I suspect Traviss couldn't use them too much since RC2 was possibly a thing for a while and Team Lucas wanted to keep control of Delta.

    But I think it worked a lot better since Omega could be sent on missions that weren't just "Shoot everyone and everything". Too many tie-in novels get restricted by having to depict the events of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumarole View Post
    That the next movie trilogy isn't based on the Thrawn books is such a disappointment.
    doesn't mean they can't use parts of those books. new trilogy does not need to be 100 percent original.

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    A Naked Singularity: Nothing new under the post-modern sun, but at least de la Pava has the good sense to make the dialogue/discourse (and is there really any difference in this sort of book?) humorous in its own right and not just in the macabre, detached fashion of DeLillo. Layer on thickly with legal jargon, presumably accurate given the author's profession, and an exhaustive history of boxing that I could've done without. Quality of writing varies and it felt somewhat unresolved which was disappointing given its 678-page run time, especially given the themes that were introduced right up to the end, but on the whole I was fairly entertained. I devoured the book in a matter of days, but whether that was due to fascination, force of habit or an impending library due date will have to remain a mystery.

    Lolita: As depraved and beautiful a book I have never read. Bewildering, sickening, heartbreaking and poetic. I'm still reeling.

    Dune: I don't think I'm going to bother with the sequels.

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    I love Dune, but it didn't need any sequels. Picked up Dune Messiah, and while it's decent, it's nowhere near as good as the original, and I don't plan on reading the others.

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    The novelizations of the Star Wars prequels. They're considered canon. I figured they might have some interesting bits to flesh out the universe.

    The Phantom Menace, by Terry Brooks who is apparently some sort of famous writer. This book is terrible. I can't stand the long-ass phrases this guy uses. The story is 100% shit. The pace is awful. I was insanely bored and I barely learned anything that wasn't in the movie. The movie may be a turd but it has moments of brilliance. Everybody worked their asses off to make a beautiful film that sounds good, so things like the underwater chase are undeniably awesome. The book is a snorefest.

    Attack of the Clones, by R.A. Salvatore. This is the most fun of the prequels. So far, about halfway in, the book delivers on this aspect. It's entertaining and does a great job at filling in the blanks. I actually feel like I know more about the characters and their world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKicksalot View Post
    The Phantom Menace, by Terry Brooks who is apparently some sort of famous writer. This book is terrible. I can't stand the long-ass phrases this guy uses. The story is 100% shit. The pace is awful. I was insanely bored and I barely learned anything that wasn't in the movie. The movie may be a turd but it has moments of brilliance. Everybody worked their asses off to make a beautiful film that sounds good, so things like the underwater chase are undeniably awesome. The book is a snorefest.
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    Took a slight break from Star Wars after the Republic Commando series (which ended rather abruptly) while sorting out stuff and read Metro 2034 by Dmitry Glukhovsky. Metro 2033 was kind of messy, partly, I think, due to the translation, but 2034 is all over the place and I don't think the translator is to blame.
    I didn't find it very enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    You work with shit, you get shit.
    Shit in, shit out.

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    Well, I finally finished Words of Radiance. Personally? It's my favourite of Sanderson's books now, dethroning The Final Empire and Alloy of Law. The Way of Kings introduced all these characters, but especially ones like Adolin, Dalinar, Kaladin, I thought they were all just bland sticks in the mud. Words might not have drastically changed their personality all told (though it did soften some obnoxious edges, like Dalinar's really dull level of adherence to his creed) but I felt it fleshed everyone out to where it was enjoyable no matter which story it was told from. And I liked Shallan before, and I liked her even more after this book. Alongside pattern. Mmm.

    Now I'm onto The Copper Promise by Jen Williams. It's alright? I'm 200 pages in, and it's breezy, it's got some fun things, but it's not really grabbed me yet. It isn't giving me a reason why I care for the characters, whilst at the same time not really amping them up enough. There's something to be said for not having characters that play their schticks out the moment they're met, but a little of that doesn't hurt, just to give them some flavour, something to grab onto. We'll see. I'm not judging yet.

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    The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri. I don't think it translates particularly well into German and I need to constantly read the notes in the back of the book to make sense of it and as a result it's quite the slog. Doesn't help that Dante himself is really petty and a dirty Guelph shill on top of that.
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    Read a few more novels in Simon R Green's Nightside series (I think I just finished "Paths not Traveled"). I originally heard about it via a short story in the collection that had Jim Butcher's The Warrior (HUMONGOUSLY awesome tearjerker) and found it to be a rather interesting world, and over the past few months I have gotten around to actually reading it. It isn't a perfect series by any means (a character gets flagged as a love interest pretty abruptly, but she definitely has a character arc that works with it) and Green has problems fleshing out his side characters and maintaining continuity, but I like it.
    The protagonist's powers are kind of wonky/"OP". His "Gift" is balanced out by his using it summoning really dangerous foes to murderate him, but he has so many random spells that seem to have no drawbacks whatsoever. So any given fight is either a curb stomping or he gets bonked on the head and has to watch while his buddies curb stomp the designated antagonists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Similar View Post
    Took a slight break from Star Wars after the Republic Commando series (which ended rather abruptly)
    In a nutshell, that was around the time that Team Lucas realized that people LIKED the time between the movies, so they took a much stronger grip on it and, as a result, took a lot of the contracted novels and made them non-canon (or imposed much stricter restrictions). Traviss got rather pissed (so did a few other writers), and she shifted to mostly working on Halo tie-ins since MS gives MUCH less of a shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenegoose View Post
    Well, I finally finished Words of Radiance. Personally? It's my favourite of Sanderson's books now, dethroning The Final Empire and Alloy of Law. The Way of Kings introduced all these characters, but especially ones like Adolin, Dalinar, Kaladin, I thought they were all just bland sticks in the mud. Words might not have drastically changed their personality all told (though it did soften some obnoxious edges, like Dalinar's really dull level of adherence to his creed) but I felt it fleshed everyone out to where it was enjoyable no matter which story it was told from. And I liked Shallan before, and I liked her even more after this book. Alongside pattern. Mmm.

    Now I'm onto The Copper Promise by Jen Williams. It's alright? I'm 200 pages in, and it's breezy, it's got some fun things, but it's not really grabbed me yet. It isn't giving me a reason why I care for the characters, whilst at the same time not really amping them up enough. There's something to be said for not having characters that play their schticks out the moment they're met, but a little of that doesn't hurt, just to give them some flavour, something to grab onto. We'll see. I'm not judging yet.
    Yeah, Shallan is now one of my favorite Sanderson characters. Which is hilarious since many aspects of her are straight up author avatar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundato View Post
    [Republic Commando]
    In a nutshell, that was around the time that Team Lucas realized that people LIKED the time between the movies, so they took a much stronger grip on it and, as a result, took a lot of the contracted novels and made them non-canon (or imposed much stricter restrictions). Traviss got rather pissed (so did a few other writers), and she shifted to mostly working on Halo tie-ins since MS gives MUCH less of a shit.
    ah. Thanks. That's a shame. I thought the series gave a far better idea of Palpatine as an actual sinister danger rather than the silly old man he is in the prequel movies. And they certainly gave a different view on the whole clone and Jedi thing.
    I'm glad I got to read what there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthile View Post
    The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri. I don't think it translates particularly well into German and I need to constantly read the notes in the back of the book to make sense of it and as a result it's quite the slog. Doesn't help that Dante himself is really petty and a dirty Guelph shill on top of that.
    I read it in English moons ago but it can be hard going. See if you can't find an edition like mine left page was the text, right page was explanations of the metaphors and allusions. Meant you didn't have to keep skipping back and forth.

    I read Purgatorio but cannot remember a single thing about it compared to the Inferno.

    I am currently reading The Secret History by Donna Tartt. Which is very well written, a real page turner, I'll wait till the ending until casting judgement but I'm getting a niggling feeling of "middle class folks do the funniest things." By funny I mean unpleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    I read it in English moons ago but it can be hard going. See if you can't find an edition like mine left page was the text, right page was explanations of the metaphors and allusions. Meant you didn't have to keep skipping back and forth.

    I read Purgatorio but cannot remember a single thing about it compared to the Inferno.
    It's not easier in spanish. It's certainly a book of its time. There are too many allegories to social and political figures of its time to actually be easy to read now, and that's without taking into account the style.

    I got to Purgatorio but abandoned it there, it wasn't as interesting as Infierno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tikey View Post
    It's not easier in spanish. It's certainly a book of its time. There are too many allegories to social and political figures of its time to actually be easy to read now, and that's without taking into account the style.

    I got to Purgatorio but abandoned it there, it wasn't as interesting as Infierno.
    I actually slogged through Purgatorio, and then completely gave up in Paradiso.

    Spoilers: It turns out that Hell is a lot more interesting than Heaven, especially if your main schtick for your epic poem series is to write in people you approve or don't approve of in society. Reading Dante talk about how brilliant and awesome people were doing awesomely (but actually not really, because Heaven isn't that interesting) is less interesting than reading how people he didn't like are having bad (yet metaphorically appropriate) things happen to them.

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    Finished Jim Butcher's Skin Game (Dresden Files) last night. Been a while since a book really grabbed me to the point that I stayed up until 3 am to finish it (especially considering that my wifi is shit right now so getting more books onto my kindle is a bitch :p).

    The premise of the novel is that Harry's mind is about to explode because of The Parasite, and Mab is making him work with Nicodemus to steal something from Hades's Vault. Mab owes Nicodemus for something or another, so she is paying back her debt by having The Winter Knight help Nicodemus obtain the item. Of course, being Mab, she never said anything about what happens afterward, so this gives us a story where a bunch of scoundrels (and Harry) are working together to steal an item of great power from a vault in Hades while fairly openly planning how they will screw everyone else over. It is quite enjoyable.

    And this is definitely the most fun Dresden Files book since White Night. Small Favor (Harry rescues Ivy from the Nickel Heads) had moments, but was pretty tense but goes very dark. Turn Coat was similar, and Changes is fucking Changes. Ghost Story and Cold Days were both all about the fallout from Changes and were (rightfully) a whee bit too angsty.

    Skin Game reads a lot more like one of the earlier novels. Yes, Harry is still kind of very very scary and things aren't great between everyone, but the tone itself is mostly light hearted and it is clear that Butcher is ready to set up the new status quo. It would best compare to Blood Rites (the one with the introduction of Mouse, Thomas as Harry's brother, and vampire porn stars): It gets dark and Harry is still tormented by his previous actions (in both cases, something related to Susan), but he finally seems like he'll be somewhat okay mentally.

    Which makes sense, since we are in the second half of the series, and Butcher needs to get that status quo going in time to completely shatter it for the apocalyptic trilogy.

    Also, even though the novel itself is much more light hearted there are definitely some massive Feels to be had, and MANY bits are set up for the next book. Some awesome and some horrible.

    Also (spoiler): I predict Harry will only be The Winter Knight for one or two more books, since this one had a lot of Jedi Knight Butters explaining what The Mantle actually is, and Harry was stripped of it a few times and was still able to walk and function normally. So apparently it takes a wizard 2-3 years to heal from a broken spine. I doubt Harry will break all ties with Winter, if only because Mab IS a "good guy" and Molly is still a serious concern, but I see him losing The Mantle and finding a new augment (likely tapping in to the powers that let him hurt Outsiders) fairly shortly. Also, I look forward to Baby Dresden and how that plays out. It is obvious Bob will take her under his wing, and I wouldn't put it past Butcher to periodically make it squicky by having Bob attracted to her. Similarly, I have a feeling Harry is going to be living in The Suburbs, since he is finally going to be a father to Maggie but clearly doesn't want to break things up too much, and having The Carpenters down the street will simultaneously provide a way to keep her safe when he is on a job AND play up the awkwardness of Molly being The Winter Lady. Plus, Michael and Charity are awesome.
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